Why no interest in Ben Sheets?
Here's a question: Why haven't we shown any interest in Ben Sheets? I would much rather have him over Randy Wolf and Braden Looper who we have shown interest in.
Sheets seems like a low risk - high reward type guy. If we offered him something like a one year 6 million dollar deal that should be enough to get it done, right? If he gets hurt again - fine, we don't resign him and we have plenty of backup options. But maybe we get lucky and stays healthy for the whole season or at least MOST of the season.
The guy is one of the best in the league when healthy. We were willing to take the risk with Rich Harden, why not Sheets?
I'm very baffled at the way we are conducting this offseason.
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One reason and one reason only
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Feb 2, 2009 10:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think that would mean less if it were a one year deal
for 10 or so with an option for a second around 12 or so
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Feb 2, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, its not the one and only reason
There is a little known issue and that would be his injury history.
by dmlichte on Feb 2, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only issue with that is
Cubs took a flyer on Dempster, Took on Harden with his history of arm troubles. Money is the key here, Cubs wouldn’t even offer a one year deal of 7M
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Feb 2, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But its not only about the money
If Sheets had no injury history they likely would be looking at him as they are looking at Wolf and others. But he has that history and when you have Harden likely maxing out at 25 starts next year, you don’t sign someone with Sheet’s issues.
The Cubs taking a flyer on Dempster is not in the least comparable to Sheet’s situation.
by dmlichte on Feb 2, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Sheets would cost you a 1st round draft pick.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Feb 3, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that doesnt matter to the Cubs
they never make it anway, except, hopefully, J.V.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Feb 3, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
It’s injury. Even at modest money, he’s a huge risk. He’s one tweak or movement from the 60-day DL.
It’s whether or not a team has the cahoonas to sign him and they luck out he’s relatively more healthy than the last several seasons.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 3, 2009 6:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We are splitting hairs here
Harden and Sheets are essentially the same pitcher. And you could argue Sheets is more durable ( if you can use the word) than Harden. Hendry took a chance with Harden with his track record and he took a chance on Demp when he had arm issues. Why not a chance with Sheets? I still believe the main issue is money. Injury risk is a distant second, IMO
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Feb 3, 2009 7:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you are missing the point even though you get the facts
if there were no Harden on this team than signing Sheets would be fine. But Harden is on this team… thus the Cubs would be foolish to sign another starter with a crappy track record, this putting an additional strain on the bullpen. It is not splitting hairs.
by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because now you have 2 guys
that could be on the 60 day DL simultaneously. That’s why.
This is not hair splitting, far from it. It’s a $15-20M aggregate financial risk the Cubs simply cannot make. $7M is already committed, don’t add to it.
Before the Harden announced issue and before I heard the Rangers had issues with Sheets medical report, I would have considered Sheets in lieu of Peavy. That signing would only cost a draft pick and no present players. Present players could have then be antied up in a possible trade elsewhere.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 3, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That could just as easily happen with Peavy
whether or not we’d have to deal with that remains to be seen, but his health is no sure thing anymore, not many around here were bringing that up.
Sheets is the pitching version of Bradley, he may only be here 60% of time or so, but that might be better than the fulltime replacement
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Feb 3, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
again...
… if it weren’t for Harden, thats one thing. What do you not remember about the disaster that was having two very fragile starters in the Cubs rotation with Kerry Wood and Mark Prior?
by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I remember
the point being, there is a very strong case to be made for Sheets, given his talent and performance last year, coupled with the short term deals many FAs are going to have to take he’d be worth the gamble.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Feb 3, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The case for Sheets...
however, is impeded by the presence of Harden. Peter Gammons speculated that the Cubs were expecting maybe 20 starts out of Harden. More likely the Cubs would be happy with 25. I know that no pitcher is guaranteed to remain healthy, however, if the Cubs are going to acquire another starter, they are not in the position to get another one with Sheet’s track record.
He is not worth the gamble because his upside is thwarted by the potential havoc that the combined DL or missed starts potential of Sheets and Harden. The Cubs would need to have 13 pitchers on the roster.
by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Backup SPs on current Cub roster
Aaron Heilman
Sean Marshall
Chad Gaudin
Jeff Samardzija
I think that’s enough depth to try a guy who pitched 200 innings last year.
It’s time for us Cub fans to get over our disappointment with Prior-Wood.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Feb 3, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with DGU
I think a lot of us have a lot of baggage from Prior and Wood. Jim took a flier on Wade Miller for 2 years. I think sometimes you have to roll the dice to see if you can get a Hard 8.
Sheets price is going down by the hour. We have seen what he can do. He might enjoy being a Brewer Killer. He knows he is going to need to prove himself to get the muti-year deal. It could be a difference maker.
And injuries, hey, Fuku could run into a railing, or someone could get the broken wrist like D-Lee did. You never know.
I know Sheets has some history, I know people thought Koufax’s arm was going to fall off. Bottom line, the price with every day that passes, has to be getting close to where Jim could pull the trigger. If he gets hurt, we have more than enough arms to step in. If he is “on” then we could have arguabley the best rotation in baseball.
I say do it, and since we are at it, get me Orlando Hudson, and Miles can go to bench/supersub land.
There, bring on April.
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by Cubskingdom on Feb 4, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its not "getting over" Prior-Wood
Its realizing that having two oft injured pitchers decimates your team. Its called learning from the past. The Cubs had starters back then, too… This isn’t about a pitcher going down for two months. It is about a pitcher going down every fourth or fifth start. Its much easier to deal with a pitcher who goes on the DL but these are cases where pitchers will be shuttled back and forth from the pen, needing to be ready to start whenever these guy’s turn in the rotation comes along.
by dmlichte on Feb 4, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion, you're learning the wrong lesson from the past.
The problem with the Prior-Wood era was the lack of depth, not the risks on high-upside starters. Look at the Red Sox – they’re trying some high risk starters knowing they’ve got the depth behind them. If there’s any applicable lesson to be learned, we should be applying it to our OF which does not have the depth to face RH pitching should two of our starters go down.
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by DGU on Feb 4, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well then..
…. we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this. having two starters who are going to miss every fourth or fifth start is a huge team wide impact and its not one I want to see the Cubs delve into.
by dmlichte on Feb 4, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I respect your p.o.v.
and I’ll add that I think your case is stronger when talking about a guy who misses starts regularly throughout the season than with what I’m talking about – a guy who could miss large chunks of time. I don’t think Sheets is the type of pitcher you’ve been describing. But I could be wrong. Certainly the reticence of the ML teams is a strike against him.
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by DGU on Feb 4, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think we have enough injury prone pitchers
But he could be an option If hendry feels the need to solitify the rotation. I would rather spend the money on a real ss like orlando cabrera.
by gocubs526 on Feb 2, 2009 10:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's not a real shortstop
He’s definitely not worth the money. What can he do that Theriot can’t? His arm isn’t much better, his range is probably a little better, and God knows he can’t run the bases any worse… But offensively, Theriot gives you more bang for the buck.
by serbianking33 on Feb 2, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And signing Cabrera would cost you a 1st round draft pick.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Feb 3, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, Orlando Cabrera isn't a real shortstop?
How do you come to that conclusion? His UZR/UZR 150 numbers blow Theriot out of the water. Granted, he won’t give you Theriot’s BA or OBP but, defensively, they’re miles apart – with Cabrera miles ahead.
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by dat cubfan daver on Feb 3, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot gives you more bang for the buck.
There’s something you don’t read every day.
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 3, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no one year deal
im guessing he doesnt want a one year deal
by Aramis Ramirez on Feb 2, 2009 10:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Money is the biggie
A. Money (as in Jim Hendry doesn’t have anymore dough to dish out)
B. We already have a solid starting rotation with depth (and that has already tied up a lot of payroll dollars)
C. Apparent league wide suspicion that Ben Sheets isn’t adequately healthy enough.
by BLou on Feb 2, 2009 10:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey B- Lou how bout a bet
Sheets pitches more innings in 09 than Harden ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Feb 3, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet BLou doesn't take that bet
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by ballhawk on Feb 3, 2009 1:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He should if he is really upbeat about
Harden’s health as I think he may be.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 3, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get it Jessica
There are lots of things you hate about the Cubs. Rich Harden, Lou Piniella, etc. If you want to root against a dominant type pitcher like RIch Harden, then that certainly is your right.
by BLou on Feb 3, 2009 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never "root" against my Cubs or hate them.
My theory as of last year was that the Cubs needed to win DESPITE Lou not because of him. I have nothing against Harden except he is really , really delicate and you were the one who announced he was the second coming and would get us a ring last year and that folks who where concerned about his being fragile where just nay sayers etc. At the time I had no problem with the trade as Donaldson was going to be traded eventually anyway, Murton and E-Pat where never going to play and Gallagher appeared expendable if replaced by Harden. Jury is still out but it could easily turn out to be a really bad deal.
Also I really love Ben Sheets. At one point he had a K/BB of 10-1. I happen to think he will be healthier than Harden next year though it would not surprise if neither of them pitched 50 innings.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Feb 3, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
D. Harden may miss significant time already
Cubs can’t have 2 long term DL starters with that sort of investment; $15-20M aggregate.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 3, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the cubs picking up any starting pitchers before the season starts
maybe during the year…but I think hendry is content.
by cubsmania on Feb 2, 2009 10:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why Sheets?
Lets first ask “Why Sheets?” Why should the Cubs dump a few million dollars into a 5th starter with an injury history when they could more than likely trade for pitching after the all-star break?
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
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by Ryan at Cubshub on Feb 2, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
just so you know, Ben Sheets is not a 5th starter
by philadelphiacub on Feb 2, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When the Cubs currently have 4 starters...
…Sheets makes the 5th.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
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by Ryan at Cubshub on Feb 2, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So your 5th starter shouldn't be good?
That seems to be what you’re saying here.
by Wreckard on Feb 2, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cubs signed Ben Sheets,
Ryan Dempster and Ted Lilly would be fighting out the 4th and 5th spots, considering that Ben Sheets is better than both of them.
You said: “Why should the Cubs dump a few million dollars into a 5th starter with an injury history……” If the Cubs signed Ben Sheets, they’d be getting an ace at a steep discount because of the current market. There’s no reason to throw money at a 5th starter, but that’s not what Ben Sheets is.
by philadelphiacub on Feb 2, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont need you to tell me what I said...
…mostly, because I said it myself. Let me break it down so you get what I said… (my commentary will be in perenthesis)
“…Why should the Cubs (a major league baseball team based out of Chicago, IL) dump a few million dollars (a monetary amount) into a 5th starter (the pitcher that would join the current 4 starters to comprise a 5 man group) with an injury history (i.e. the pitcher spoken of previously, you know, the one joining the rotation, just so happens to have an injury history that would prohibit many teams from being interested)”
I never said anything about the quality of anyone, I just suggested that he’d be the final inclusion into the rotation (given that the other 4 were here to start the offseason its quite obvious that in any sort of time frame Sheets would be considered 5th or last or final).
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Feb 2, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
#5
Really, after the 1st week of the season, the #5 or any number starter is completely irrelevant.
A guy’s spot in the rotation is only going to be skipped if there is a lingering health concern or he’s completely forgot how to locate his pitches.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 3, 2009 6:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks.
The roster is pretty full and so is the payroll. If any dollars are left over, I’d rather Hendry saved them for a midseason acquisition, instead of a guy who might get hurt before spring training ends.
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by Al on Feb 3, 2009 4:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised
if Sheets threw more innings than Peavy, just like he did in 2008.
by Cubinator on Feb 3, 2009 5:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well
I’d rather sign Sheets than trade for Peavy.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Feb 3, 2009 7:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
as long as it would come on a 1 year deal.
by jbertram on Feb 3, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let me count the ways
1) he doesn’t bat left handed
2) he can’t play more than one position on the field we need a SS/3B/1B back up
3) he will only play in 30 some games far too injury prone, possibly 20 games
4) he costs more than the remainder of the budget of $6M left
The real reason of course is number 4. If he cost $1.65M than I think Hendry would take a peak.
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by Ivy Walls on Feb 3, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
20 games of Sheets is better than 30 of Marshall/Looper/Heilman/Samardzija/etc.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Feb 3, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can you concieve...
… what having two starters who combined may not start 50 starts will do to the bullpen?
by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets is still a better bet for health
than Sean Marshall, and has Aaron Heilman been running up mountains in preparation to go 200 IP?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Feb 3, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
agree with that. Why give up picks when you have the same pitcher available as a FA?
by AGC on Feb 3, 2009 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Signing Sheets would require draft picks, no?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Feb 3, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
meant to say prospects. Had the draft pick on my mind.
by AGC on Feb 3, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its okay Moo-Ray
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Feb 3, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets
arm/shoulder is in really bad shape. There’s a reason why a pitcher like him is still on the market. He want’s more 2 or 3 years at least 12m plus. But medical reports all say his arm is in really bad shape.
by cubsfan25 on Feb 3, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you read these reports of medical reports?
by ol Pete on Feb 4, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am very suspicious of Ben Sheets' health
30 major league clubs don’t take a pass on a pitcher the caliber of Ben Sheets unless they are scared off by his medical reports. Even in these awful economic times Sheets should have been gobbled up by a team. But there’s no team apparent willing to give him a 2 year deal???? That speaks volumes that something is amiss in those medical reports.
by BLou on Feb 3, 2009 8:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Suspicions are probably valid, however
it could be as simple as the economy. Sheets is a guy with a $15M+ per year arm who misses signficant time. If you are a GM and determining how to be prudent, It’s hard to quantify a dollar amount to throw at Sheets.
Who’s also to say Sheets hasn’t seen numerous offers of 1 year $10M or 2 years $15M. He may just be wanting more.
by N Oakley on Feb 3, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's definitely risk with Sheets' health.
But I really wonder if Sheets is more risky than A.J.Burnett. I think Sheets is also suffering under a bit of the odd-man out. On the other hand, he’s not willing to accept an incentive-driven contract which makes things more suspicious. I still think the reward is worth the risk in Sheets’ case – especially for the Cubs who have so much pitching depth now.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Feb 3, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
A. Neither you or I have any detail on the condition of Ben Sheets medical outlook.
B. The Yankees took their time in giving A.J. Burnett $85 million, so I will conclude his health is clean. In fact Toronto GM JP Riccardi said as much at the end of last season when there was talk of the Blue Jays being able to re-sign Burnett to a new contract.
C. With all due respect, you continue to adhere to the belief that Jim Hendry still has the ability to spend money. I’m not sure why you think that when the evidence points to the definite contrary.
by BLou on Feb 3, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: C:
Numerous reports have the Cubs keeping an eye out for more pitching. I guess you discout them all as “rumor-mongering.” I don’t.
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by DGU on Feb 3, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Wouldnt you feel more comfortable with 20 Games from Sheets rather than 30 from someone like Looper/Wolf/Heilman?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Feb 3, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Multiple reasons
There are several reasons why Sheets isn’t signed, not just one or another. Some of them are the same reasons why other frontline players remain unsigned. The first of which is the draft compensation that would be required to sign these guys. Second, is the fact that teams don’t want to take needless risk on top of the draft compensation. Signing Sheets to a deal longer than one-year, even with an option, in this market, at this time, given the draft compensation and Sheets injury history is far too risky for most, if not all teams.
Third, we don’t really know for certain who has talked to Sheets and who he has told to find someone else. He himself may have limited his own options as a result.
But I will tell you this, all things equal, if Sheets were receptive to a straight one-year deal, without an option and without enormous incentives, and without Type A draft compensation being involved, for around the $6 million as originally suggested, the line would around the block. Lumping all of those “if’s” that are in play in this particular case, the line begins and ends with Sheets himself.
If Oliver Perez gets $36 million guaranteed over three years, Ben Sheets would easily get $6 million on a straight one-year deal….only if he’s receptive to it which may not be the case right now. Point being for the Cubs, take away the Type A compensation and it’s a done deal on a one-year deal. That they would have to wait until after the 2009 draft to avoid Type A compensation, Sheets will either remain in limbo or some team will have to bite the compensation and get him for a one-year bargain.
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by krummy12 on Feb 3, 2009 8:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ben Sheets...
…is a China Doll, and teams are wising up to one simple fact; no matter how a pitcher is, they do you no good on the DL.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Feb 3, 2009 8:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
A dominant pitcher is more valuable in a limited capacity than a mediocre picture for 220 innings.
e.g. Rich Harden + Replacement level pitcher > Jason Marquis.
I like baseball.
by morgane on Feb 3, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree that I would like Sheets on the cubs
The guy is dominate when he is healthy and hell we could have him and Harden splitting starts in an attempt to stay healthy. Also, prior (hate using that word in a talk of durability) to the last couple seasons, he made all his starts for a few years in a row, so who knows. That being said, he is THE definition of HIGH risk, HIGH reward, not low risk, high reward as you said. Even in a slow market and with someone who would take a shorter contract with the lack of offers, it would be high risk and probably some pretty good money. Not going to happen, for sure.
by KButler on Feb 3, 2009 9:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Relax
Sheets has already said he wants a two year guaranteed contract which is why he hasn’t signed and why he will not sign with the Cubs. For what it’s worth I’d rather have him than Peavy if for no other reason than it prevents Milwaukee, Houston or St. Louis from making a move for him.
To whomever posted earlier that there’s nothing Orlando Cabrera could do that Theriot couldn’t; you do realize that half of an inning involves playing defense, right? Cabrera is a top-tier defensive short stop, while Theriot is a second baseman with below average range playing short stop because of his bat (which isn’t likely to be as potent this season).
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by morgane on Feb 3, 2009 9:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm being overly simplistic here...
…but there’s really no room on the 25-man roster for anyone else at this point. If the Cubs signed Sheets, I presume that would bump Fully Krausened back to the pen and then someone else there would have to go. Vizio? Gaudin? Guzman?!
Sheets would be an interesting gamble. He’s definitely a great, great pitcher. But I’m guessing Harden fulfills the Cubs “high risk, high reward” quota for starting pitchers.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 3, 2009 10:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I'd also add that...
…just because there haven’t been 3,567,987 rumors about acquiring Sheets doesn’t mean Hendry hasn’t looked into it. Did anyone ask Jimbo about this at the Convention? Just curious.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 3, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why hasn't ANY team signed Sheets yet?
Because, unfortunately for this talented pitcher, his medical file sends chills down the collective spines of all that have looked at it (and I assume all teams have).
by leothelip on Feb 3, 2009 11:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is similar to our Bradley signing...
if Bradley misses a few stretches, we have some outfield depth to account for any shortage of PT on MB’s part. Reed Johnson is a pretty damn good fourth outfielder and Gathright will at least provide quality defense. We can absorb some injuries from MB and be fine.
We have a known entity in Sean Marshall, and may have even more pitching depth if Gaudin can prove himself and Heilman can turn things around. I believe the common thought is that Jeff will start in AAA and be an available starter soon enough. We can absorb a Sheets injury and offer him the same rotation as Harden gets, where he can skip a start here or there and pitch every 6-7 days. As long as he’s healthy come October, then it really does not matter.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Feb 4, 2009 9:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be better
to sign Sheets for one year with a 2nd year option, then to give up the farm for Peavy and his huge contract?
Andy R.
by WindisBlowingOut! on Feb 4, 2009 12:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Last thing I heard
was that Sheets was holding out for two guaranteed years and at least $16M. That’s why the Rangers haven’t signed him yet.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Feb 4, 2009 5:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Surgery
mlb.com says that Sheets might have to have surgery to repair a torn flexor tendon in his elbow.
by AGC on Feb 5, 2009 1:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That'll get in the way of a big contract.
by N Oakley on Feb 5, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or a small one.
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by Al on Feb 5, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From multi-year big dollar dreams
to $1M rehab here deals. He’s a great pitcher and that’s pretty bad timing.
by N Oakley on Feb 5, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a Fanshot of the link.
Tough news for Sheets.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 5, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...and yet I heard the concerns were more for his shoulder
could it be he was favoring his elbow so much – even though it may not require an operation – that his shoulder was then affected? Yikes!
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 5, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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