Sirius-XM may drop MLB
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Feb 6, 2009 6:54 PM CST
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From "Inside Radio'" via the "Wall Street Journal:"
Facing a $925 million debt repayment schedule this year, the satellite radio operator is assessing just how valuable big-ticket sports contracts are to the company. A $43 million payment to the NFL comes due in ten days, while Major League Baseball is set to get a $60 million payment next month. The Wall Street Journal says the MLB funds are in an escrow account, but Sirius XM has been pushing the league to allow it to use the money for other uses — such as the looming $175 million debt payment due February 17. Sirius XM Radio has two years left on its seven-year, $220 million deal NFL contract. MLB has six years left on its 11-year $650 million deal. Meanwhile, the Journal reports EchoStar CEO Charles Ergen has been quietly buying up Sirius XM debt in a move that could be a precursor to a hostile takeover rolling the satellite radio company into his Dish Network satellite TV service.
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their baseball coverage is awesome, even now in the offseason…..but it seems both XM and Sirius are tanking, well I guess it is tanking b/c of the merger—I hope this doesnt happen, its the only way I get to hear Pat and Ron
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
It's the only way I...........
………..DON’T have to hear Pat and Ron!
No issues with Hughes, but when the Cubs are on the road, I’ll intentionally turn off WGN because I’d rather hear THE HOME TEAM GUYS than that idiot Santo.
So allow me to say………….NOOOOOOOOOOOO………….but for an entirely different reason.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
Dude
This is a pretty lousy comment. I mean why not keep this shit to yourself. You know that most of us will disagree — at a minimum, with the hatefulness of your comments. Not sure what broadcast your listening to, or why you get you panties in a bunch over it, but Santo is pretty damned easy to ignore. If your listening to the radio for anything other than the play-by-play then maybe you should switch to day time TV. And BTW you can keep Marty Brennaman.
Santo is NOT easy to ignore
Maybe tville’s tone was harsher than necessary (but he IS entitled to the opinion, no?), but Ron has gotten harder for me to listen to with each passing year.
“GAH! JEEZ! Aw, man . . . .” Is about the extend of what he adds to the broadcast.
I’ve got a ton of respect for how Ron has looked the adversity in his life in the eyes without blinking. I think that he’s a brave man and probably a pretty decent human being. But his days of being an almost competent announcer were brief and have passed.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 9, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I have to agree...
… further the WGN broadcast needs to tone down the sale of Ron. Far too often they’re pushing “This Old Cub”, Ron’s Walk for the Cure, and his HoF candidacy. It just gets to be too much.
I find myself in agreement with this.
I admire Ron for what he’s accomplished through adversity. I’d like more from a radio color announcer. I wish he’d gracefully retire.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
How would you feel about a 3-man booth?
I wouldn’t mind giving Ron the chance to cheer and a platform to cheer people up (home games only). I agree about wanting more from the color announcer.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 9, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I have always felt...
… 3-man booths are too crowded. But in this situation it might work.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I Get The Feeling.....
….. that the only way he walks away for good is if 1) they win it all and he can go out on a winner or 2) his doctors are very blunt with him and tell him he can survive it anymore in which case (unless his family prevails on him) – 3) he might just opt to die with his boots on, i.e. while working with the Cubs. I think he would consider it a happy death, the only way to go.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
he would walk if he got in the HOF
That is the only reason he took the job in the first place, in order to get in the spotlight for the Hall.
Also, the Cubs have asked him to tone down his fax/email reading in the past to no avail. Unfortunately, he pretty much holds the team hostage at this point.
I think Ron is terrible at what he does but it would be hard for me to imagine turning on a game while driving wherever on a summer evening without hearing Pat and Ron.
I'm not defending
Santos broadcasting skills…in fact I think they are pretty bad. But still, I think many including you and Al have made this point without sounding like a pompous jerk. As I said I disagreed with the hatefulness of [tvilles] comments. Which is ok, he can say what he wants, but I can also point out when it crosses the line (that most people) consider decent.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make up something good"
As an XM subscriber...
… and one who has had XM for quite some time (4-5 yrs), that would be it for me. I enjoy XM however the price tag is not worth it without the baseball package.
by dmlichte on Feb 6, 2009 8:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
its gotten worse since the merger dont you think?
theres a lot more commercials where before there were virtually none
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Absolutely worse
I don’t care about the commercials that much. The MLB Homeplate cast and shows is just horrible. The old shows had some real chemistry and some of their lesser known hosts really did a great job. Now they’ve brought in a new crew and I rarely listen. I understand that when there is overlap in programming and synergies that some things will change. Sirius did not have MLB so why thoroughly dismantle a product that was really quite good?
by dmlichte on Feb 6, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree fully.
A wonderful product has been destroyed.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
Not nearly as good since the merger
I listen to XM 175 a couple of hours a day while commuting. It seems to me since the merger the channel is more AM sports-radio bashing and grumbling instead of the insights offered by experts it used to be. And to tville who doesn’t like listening to Santo, try listening to Rob Dibble while driving in a snowstorm. If MLB is dropped, I doubt very much I’ll keep my subscriptions.
"We gotta circle the bandwagons." - Devin Hester
by Jose's Eyelid on Feb 7, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
I'll take Dibble...........
…………over Santo any day.
Santo offers nothing. Absolutely nothing.
And while Dibble may suffer from diarrhea of the jowls, he can be insightful.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
Okay, I'll Say It
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion on Santo, but your opinion doesn’t make the guy an idiot. I like him.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
+1
Santo is the voice in your heart (Ooooh Noooooooo!!). Hughes is the voice of reason. I love ’em both.
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana
And that's important because............
………..none of the rest of us could speak from the heart or say “OOOOH NOOOO” if we had his job.
Who knows, most of us might even be able to read a media guide and add something insightful to the broadcast. WOW! How novel!
My opinion doesn’t make Santo an idiot, but anyone with an objective view would come to that conclusion.
For all the talk of getting rid of the “L” flag because of its negative connotations, dump Santo first. He’s been part of the problem first-hand dating back to his days when he didn’t get it done on the field. If the “losing tradition” needs to be culled from the Cubs herd, then start with him.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
I realize....
….. you probably wouldn’t give shi-, but I feel sorry for guys like you.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
His comments
are what happens when you have no friends and are mad at the world. I just hope I never ever encounter such a lousy person face to face.
Thanks for the assessment.
You’re clearly an amazing individual. From a few simple lines you were able to discern that I was a friendless lousy person whom you’d never want to meet.
Do you still work at the circus guessing patrons ages or have you managed to secure that gig with the Street & Sanitary Department?
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
Your welcome
But as you can see I was responding to BeerCub. Thanks for the compliment with regards to my superior discernment skills, I’ve moved on to a better gig than the Street and Sanitary Department (what is this 1930?). What I don’t understand is what kick you get out of being so negative? It seems like a royal waste of your time.
Guess I should have read more before I weighed in
I thought your first post was reasonable, but to say that the Cubs lose because of Ron Santo is beyond silly.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 9, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Well I don't believe they lose for that reason, but.........
……….if some feel (and this includes management) that the “L” flag is a link to a losing past, then Santo should also come under scrutiny.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
then the same would hold true for...
…Ernie, Billy, and Wrigley Field itself.
Heck, might as well throw all the long time season ticket holders under the bus too. Sorry, Al… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Management suggested............
……….the dumping of the “L” flag, and on the basis given, there’s no reason it can’t be extended to all the things you mention.
But there are differences………Wrigley is a cash cow………the season ticket holders pay the bills. Because these entities generate the dollars, they will be allowed to stay.
However, Billy, Ernie, Ronny, 1969, et al don’t pay for jack. If the “L” flag should go, it should have some company.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
And the damned "L" flag...........
……..can’t even defend itself. Ronny & the Boys could have taken care of business on the field, but they didn’t get it done.
So if management wants to cut ties to a losing history, look last to lay blame on an inanimate object.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
Occasionally Dibble may say something worthwhile
but you have to listen to him along time to get to it. And in the meantime he’ll repeat the same points over and over (sometimes he’ll even contradict himself within five minutes of saying something – ie – he hates Bonds, how can someone not sign him, yada yada yada) . His schtick is wearying. I do love when they air the Harry Carey bit about Dibble throwing at Dascenzo (running to first!) after Dougy laid down a bunt. Tville, I agree that Santo is not a good broadcaster or offers much in the way of knowledge, but he is hilarious. Not sure he means to be most of the time, but he keeps me laughing. Don’t you find yourself chuckling at what he says and how he says it?
"We gotta circle the bandwagons." - Devin Hester
by Jose's Eyelid on Feb 8, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Yup
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson
If they can make that announcement sooner rather than later
it’d be nice. I’m up for renewal in 3 weeks, and if MLB is gone, I’m not going to renew.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
I agree
Without the MLB I don’t think I could continue the 19 a month (two radios). It’s worth it to hear games since I live in Oregon and only get about 1/3 of the games on tv (WGN and ESPN with occasional FOX). The music and talk channels are good most of the time, but no baseball would be lame since it’s the reason I got a radio to start with.
by portlandcubfan on Feb 7, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
That would be strange....
… to use contracted funds like that to pay off debt service, and drop the contracted service. Like people above, I would imagine they’d lose a ton of subscribers if they dropped MLB.
Remember that you can sign up for MLB Audio and listen to the Cubs games if you are outside the Chicago market.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
MLB.com
It works for most people but it doesn’t for me. When I relocate for the summer the internet is much more sparse. I also am a big fan of listening to baseball in the car, Cubs or not.
by dmlichte on Feb 6, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Point taken.
As noted by some above, this merger has apparently destroyed what was a useful product.
However, since there is interest in said product, and the technology exists, if Sirius/XM fails, someone else will step into the void — although in today’s economic conditions, it could take a while.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Hmm.... perhaps a certain spurned would-be owner of the Cubs?
He’s got money, no stranger to technology, and certainly is not risk-averse. I could see him doing it.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I could see that too, but...
… if the company really is hemorrhaging money the way it appears they are, Cuban probably wouldn’t touch it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Makes sense to..........
……….let it go belly up and THEN come in to rescue the technology. Sirius made some seriously bad deals – signing Stern for an ARod-esque contract, for example. By allowing the company to bankrupt, a new owner could get out from under these bad deals and start fresh with the product.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
If they drop the two big sports
They’re going to lose a ton of subscribers. I already think they’re in a death spiral.
Old Style is the nectar of life.
http://www.windycitygridiron.com/
It has been very apparent
since Sirius took over XM that they have instituted massive cost cutting. They have laid off many of their employees, including on air talent. The quality of the programming is noticeably in decline.
I have been an XM subscriber for over 3 years and only decided to keep my subscription until the end of the 2009 baseball season. Because of the deteriorating quality of the MLB Home Plate channel, I see no reason to keep my subscription in the off-season. If they drop the games, I’ll cancel my subscription.
Here’s a tip if you are a subscriber:
Call Sirius/XM and tell them you want to cancel because of the cost and they will offer you a discount. I first called and they offered me 3 months for $14.95. After that was up, I called again and the offered 6 months or 12 months for half off. I took them up on 6 months. The only catch is you have to pay for 6 months when you agree.
I do agree that with the amount of debt the company took on for the merger, it seems only a matter of time before the company goes bankrupt.
Hey, it's a new century!
I pay 6.95/month (but I have two contracts and I am an original subscriber)
…but my point is fight hard, low prices are out there. I am locked in for the next 2-3 years, assuming they survive. I agree that you just have to threaten to drop out.
But to be honest, I also like XM for business and talk radio. I will say the Sirius add is a joke. I did not buy the Howard Stern thing, I think they expected lots of XM people to jump on that and it has turned into a big bust.
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
I was a subscriber to XM
because of baseball, but when broadcasts became available on my computer for $15 a season I dumped it. This coming season, broadcasts will be available via mlb on the iPhone. Price hasn’t been announced yet.
I saw that too.
If satellite is gonna drop XM and I can re-sign up for my iPhone MLB application (which is IMO the best ap for the iPhone), I’m going to drop satellite and go iPhone all the time. It’s entirely more convenient and a fantastic idea.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I suspect this may make MLB...
… make the product available for other smartphones.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I never...
paid for the MLB app, but is it worth it when compared to just using the mobile espn site?
I’ve “watched” games on my iPhone while watching them on TV and the ESPN page has a “Live” feature that updates after every pitch. At worst it was only 10-15 seconds off from the TV broadcast.
Yes.
You can get videos of plays minutes after they happen. GameDay on the iPhone is just like the real thing. I think it is totally worth the $5 last year and I’ll pay for the upgrade this year. I’m sure it will be $10-$25, but it will be worth it with audio broadcasts—both home and away.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I have been thinking to get it
and now I dont know if i should
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
As a subscriber since 2003............
…………I wholeheartedly endorse satellite radio. I’ve been with XM for over five years, and irrespective of the MLB stuff – which has been great – the ability to listen to music in this fashion is beyond compare.
Trust me, they’ll go under before I drop my subscription.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Feb 6, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
only reason
i got xm was to listen to mlb….now i listen to howard stern or cubs 24/7
MLB is why I got XM in the first place
I do also enjoy the music (alt nation anyone?), but if they were to drop MLB my subscription would go with it. I like in upstate NY, and while I do subscribe to MLB extra innings and get WGN, it’s nice to be able to listen to Pat & Ron during the FOX Saturday games that are blacked out.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
If they drop MLB
They drop me. I like The Virus and the music stations, but not enough to pay 12.95 a month for it. The main reason I got XM was for the baseball package, for many of the reasons dmlichte said. I’ve got a Zune30 that has more than enough of the music I like to listen to on it to provide any music needs I have.
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson
Why I love living in Chicago
I get all the cubs games and local programming is enough for me (listen to a combo of the Score and WGN)
Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)
Chicagoan who loves XM
I get all the local programming and listen to a good bit of the Score. But I also really enjoy getting to listen to political talk, which you really can only find on satellite radio. They also have other hosts that I really enjoy as well. As for MLB, though, the ability to listen to all games in all markets is fantastic. Driving later in the evening I can listen to Vin Scully do Dodger games. I also really enjoy listening to other teams announcers. Without that option I may bid adieu to XM.
The interesting thing is...
the merger was doomed from the beginning. Both companies’ strategies in their early days were to outbid each other for talent/programming. That’s why Howard Stern, Oprah, et al are being paid obscene amounts of money for a subscriber base that just isn’t there.
Both companies were pulling from a relatively small portion of the public. Satellite radio is really a niche product as most people are perfectly happy with whatever is available locally or don’t listen enough to make it worth their while. Both companies were so busy outbidding each other that the numbers skyrocketed beyond what either company, let alone both could maintain. In all honesty, merger or not, the companies should be allowed to fail. Then, if a new company (EchoStar) wants to come in and restructure or renegotiate the deals it has with Stern, MLB, NFL, etc then it can do so with a full budget sheet in hand. If MLB wants to maintain this avenue as a broadcasting partnership (and by extension advertising) then it may have to take a smaller cut each year.
They could work out a shorter deal for a little less which would allow satellite radio to finally grow beyond where it is now and survive long enough to renegotiate the deal in the future for more money.
Or they could just give everyone what they want. A la carte stations where you only pay for the ones you want to listen to and a portion of that goes to whoever it should.
by CubFan81 on Feb 7, 2009 9:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I have been with XM since 2003
and I really thought about cancelling this year because the product has gone downhill. MLB is the only reason I kept it, although I did cancel my extra sub. They are going up from $6.99 to $8.99 for extra radios and I didn’t use my extra one that much. Beware when you call to cancel you will be on hold for a long time. Also, you will probably get disconnected and have to call back to start over. I don’t think they will be around much longer if they are using these tactices to keep subs. If they go away I will start listening from my Moto Q- I have my slingbox on it so I can watch/listen anywhere.
Satellite radio is a joke.
With the advent of Podcasts, there’s really no reason to pay money for a radio service that doesn’t play exactly what you want to hear exactly when you want to listen to it. If they don’t have special services to offer (such as the baseball deal they’re apparently losing) there’s really no good reason to listen to it. Satellite radio is probably out of business in the next 3-4 years.
by HereComesASpecialBoy on Feb 7, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions
Huh?
there’s really no reason to pay money for a radio service that doesn’t play exactly what you want to hear exactly when you want to listen to it.
That would be called a CD player…..I like XM for the mix, especially the “decade” channels.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 7, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
But you have to hear something the first time to know you like it so that you can put it on your ipod
…. XM has introduced me to many artists and styles that I didn’t even know I like. I’ll miss XM if it goes away … but somehow I think satellite radio will find a way to survive. Maybe not in its current format, but there is a niche audience for it.
"We gotta circle the bandwagons." - Devin Hester
by Jose's Eyelid on Feb 8, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
San Diego Smooth Jazz Man
Way, Way OT!!! Happy New Year Jazz Man!
Did you forget about mailing me a copy of “Forever Cubs” that you were going to send last year?
Staring at my empty dvd player. Oh the Horror, ….the Horror
Good Guys Wear Blue
Next time you drive across country
tell me how Ipods make sat. radio obsolete. I love my Sirius but hate the way they move stations around and take off my favorites for special stations. Does anyone need 24/7 AC-DC or Springsteen or Dead? I don’t think so. OTA radio is a dead zone, killed by the Clear Channels of the world. Cookie cutter stations, remotely programmed by tasteless pimply faced mental midgets who aim at the lowest common denominator. They can all DIAF.
Most folks with Sat Radio have a considerable sum of money in their equipment and installation. I don’t see them leaving unless they subscribed for one type of programing only and it disappeared.
YMMV, feel free to disagree.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Feb 8, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions
While I ....
…. don’t understand some of what you said, I agree with the parts about 24/7 stations and cookie cutter Clear Channel stations.
If they ditch MLB, much less the NFL eventually, Sirius XM can kiss its ass goodbye.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I've had XM for 4 seasons now...
The MLB package is the clincher for me; without it, I’ll ask for my money back. I believe I’d have a fair case don’t you?
When we subscribed, it was with the understanding that we had every single MLB game broadcast. We would have a broken contract without it.
I’ve been a musician for decades and the music offerings are off the charts—true excellence in programming, but not enough to pay $140 per year. The product has definitely suffered since Suckius got involved—less music—inferior broadcast teams in the morning on MLB Homeplate and I for one hate Howard Stern’s guts—so adding him is completely unimpressive to me.
Bashing Ron Santo is pathetic—he’s not a Bob Costas—but he’s about as real of a person as you’ll ever hear on radio or tv—most of us Cub fans “get him”….he was NOT the reason 1969 or 1970 happened either; check his numbers skippy. In the words of Fagen/Becker —Only a fool would say that.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
No one's mentioned perhaps the most important thing...
… that would affect MLB if Sirius/XM drops it and defaults on the payment.
$2 million less per team in revenue.
That wouldn’t affect the Cubs — much — but would really hurt some of the smaller market teams.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
renegotiation
I wonder if part of this all is an attempt to renegotiate the deal. I would think that perhaps MLB could find a middle ground where they lower the upfront money from XM but perhaps collect ad revenue. Typically the broadcasts run the usual commercials that you’d hear if you’re listening on the radio… I bet MLB could figure out an avenue to do some production and make money this way.
That's entirely possible.
I’m sure MLB doesn’t want to lose this exposure. You can see just by the posts in this thread how many people depend on it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Sure, Al
Because we all know that they are astute business people.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
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