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The ESPN gang -- Ravitch, Kurkijan, Olney, Gammons and Phillips -- were just having a conversation about the season.

Kurkijan said 3 GMs have told him that because of the economy, teams could have problems making payroll if they don't start right out of the gate. He said you could see players traded as early as mid-May for purely financial reasons.

Gammons said some teams, like the Red Sox, aren't spending all they have right now.

Is it possible that Hendry is doing the same thing?

If these guys are right, look closely at the rosters of Detroit, Cincy, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and Minnesota. Those are Midwestern, small-market teams that could have major issues. Detroit especially could have major problems making money.

It may just be possible that Hendry is smarter than you.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Hmm, that would be intriguing

maybe we can get Granderson

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Feb 6, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions  

Indeed interesting...

Something I haven’t even thought about. But with Detroit and Minny, they have some good players and I don’t think you can count them out that early, it’s not like the Sox are going to run away with the Central.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Feb 6, 2009 8:15 PM CST reply actions  

It will be interesting to see...

… how the first day of ticket sales goes for the Cubs. Coming off another playoff season — even with the crushing playoff loss — you’d think demand would be high. With the economy tanking and ticket prices up, if the Cubs don’t sell as many on the first day of sales as last year, you can just imagine that the smaller markets will be doing far worse.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 6, 2009 8:19 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not sure how the Cubs ticket selling will go...

…but there’s no doubt that management has fears about it. They initially unveiled the 13-game pack to people who had been on the season ticket waiting list for awhile, and have recently released it to the public via Cubs.com because they think that these tickets are going to be tough to sell otherwise.

"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar-tissue." -George F. Will

by In Piniella We Trustiella on Feb 6, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, they did that last year, too, with the 9-packs.

First the people on the waiting list got it, then season ticket holders, then the general public.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 6, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

You never know

Which cities are and will be hurt the most by the economy . First and formost the motor city .. is and will be hit the hardest

by CUBFANINAZ on Feb 6, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

In Detroit

47% of high school graduates cannot read their own diplomas. Their problems run deeper than the economy, I’m afraid.

"They say we live and learn. Often what we learn is what damn fools we have been." ~Thomas Sowell

by Goodie1969 on Feb 6, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

And have for some time.

And the Tigers raised ticket prices. That team is in deep trouble.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 6, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

its Detroit

they could burn the stadium down and file an insurance claim

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 6, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

WHAT?

Are you serious?

It was built in 2000 and is made out of concrete and steel! Not much to burn there!

Besides, Detroit (and especially its baseball team) isn’t as bad off as many people would have you believe.

You’re getting bad information from somewhere.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Feb 7, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess

sarcasm was lost in my post

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 7, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Join the BCB Flickr group and use this next time.

SarcasmAni

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 8, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree totally, Al

I live in metro Detroit and the Tigers are not in trouble!

Last years’ team sold out the season and tickets were really hard to come by. I only made it to 2 games and that was because I used my companies season tickets! They have a payroll of over $120 million going into the season and none of the newspapers or media outlets are talking about any major reductions for this year.

In fact, the owner of the Tigers, Mike Illitch, also owns the Red Wings and just signed one their star players for $70 million.

Sure times are tough in Detroit, just like they are in Chicago and everywhere else in America.

I don’t know what you are hearing, but living here, I don’t see the Tigers going out of business any time soon!

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Feb 7, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year was last year.

I have to believe that the downturn has hit Detroit pretty hard. We’ll see what happens.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 7, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

PRECISELY

I have warned many of you about this Depression—-it is a Depression. It is deflationary economics. In the simplest indicator Wal Mart the biggest Big Box Discounter recorded a 2% increase in revenues last month but with huge increases in food and Rx sales which are lost leaders for that chain. All other retailers recorded down revenues. Now not reported was a downturn in net profits for Wal Mart.

Ticket sales in micro markets will be dynamic. The Cubs might not have a net problem but will have to work harder and possibly have to employ many programs to maintain 97% capacity.

But I can see contraction coming sooner than 2011 if things continue to erode at their current levels. Last week I was at a meeting about starting a program to assist long term UE college educated persons who are on Financial Govt Aid. The economy contraction is accelerating 4% last quarter 5% expected this quarter. UE and job loss are accelerating at clips that went from 50K to 100K to 500K and now 600K. In our county of has 315,000 available in the labor force but only 293K employed and losing 1000 a month through 2008.

How does this equate to micro markets across the US. Well CA is being hit the hardest but also WA, GA, FL, OH, & MI In that realm I count 13 teams. Now this does not include other small market clubs like KC, MIL, & Pitt. Now we are talking about 50% of MLB.

I think previous dynamics and patterns will change.

Last point. Yesterday at a political meeting a high level commodities trader told me that something else is going on throughout all of corporate America—-cancellation of contracts even with the threat litigation, companies like 3M, Honeywell and IBM are canceling long term deals all over the place.

Wake up folks. This is no garden variety recession.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Feb 8, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

If you want proof that Ivy is right

look into the various social websites, like craigslist, there are people willing to offer various “favours”, for someone to help them with their bills.
I understand that this is the oldest profession, but these are not your ordinary “professionals”. I have been out in the market since October, and I’m afraid that these are very bad signs for the future.
Oh, and the UE rate posted is garbage, they eliminate a great number of people who, for whatever reason, are not considered elligible for UE, another unfortunate side effect of companies struggling is when they woudl rather fight tooth and nail to prevent paying out UE to victims of a lay off. Sad, but a great number of states have allowed that as well, so I see the “black market” as becoming another alternative for those who would have never chosen it.
Now, I’ll jump off the horse and return to baseball.

by chrisw95 on Feb 8, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes it has...

but actually, michigan has been in a recession since the year 2000 and now the rest of the country is just catching up to us.

Ticket sales will be down all over the country—not just Detroit.

I know I will be doing my part to stimulate the economy by buying tickets to all three Cub games here in Detroit next June! I imagine a few others will be too!

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Feb 9, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The team was expected to do so well

This year they aren’t supposed to finish higher than third. I find it hard to believe that seats will be sold out again

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Feb 7, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

they definitely won’t sell out this year, but neither will they “contract” any time soon.

you’ll see teams like the Marlins and the Nationals or the Royals go away before you see the Tigers disappear.

Personally, I think it will take a couple of years before we see MLB in serious trouble (if the economy continues as it is right now).

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Feb 8, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Hehe

For a Cubs fan you sure went to “bat” for the Tigers.

by StevenABQ on Feb 8, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

HeHe...

No need to question my Cub loyalties!

It’s called being a fan of baseball in general and being a Cub fan in particular.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Feb 9, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I also live in Detroit

and I think the Tigers are going to feel some pain. First of all, the recession is hitting Detroit harder than most places. 1 in 10 people are out of work. Additionally, companies are severely cutting costs and I would think that Tiger tickets would be an area where the beancounters say “we don’t really need this”.

The other issue is that the Tigers ended the season in last place, yes even behind the Royals. At the end of last season I couldn’t give away my tiger tickets. Since expectations are going to be so much lower this year and the ticket prices are higher, less people are going to commit to a season ticket package. I haven’t seen the numbers on Tigers Season Ticket renewals but it has to be significantly down (or at least down by 1 – that would be me :)

I don’t think the Tigers will go out of business but Mike Illitch is going to be praying that the Tigers start out hot or he will be having nightmares about Willis’ and Cabrera’s contracts.

by madeindetroit on Feb 8, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Aw..

He will just sell a few more pizzas to make up for it!

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Feb 9, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

rec’d

"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"

by fischisgod on Feb 6, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles

by wennington4 on Feb 9, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Hendry may be saving up some money for that reason..

but I wouldn’t mind giving jon lieber a minor league contract to add another potential 5th spot arm in case of injury during the year.

by cubsmania on Feb 6, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply actions  

Seriously?

I liked the idea of Lieber last year. But he wasn’t very good, got hurt, and was sent home at the end of the year, even told not to bother coming to sit in the dugout during the playoffs.

I think he’s retired.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 6, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

why Nomar was offered a minor league deal

I wonder if that was also offered to Aurilia as well.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Feb 8, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, the MLB Network crawl last night...

…reported that the Giants have offered Aurilia a minor league deal. It didn’t indicate whether he’s accepted.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 8, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Mmmm, no.

I agree with Al. Lieber is done.

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 7, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

You'd think so, but...

… if the Cubs start hurting, the entire industry is in trouble.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 6, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

No this is not a recession and no, no one is proof

Here is a sobering statistic.

Every month the US Labor Statistics releases job loss estimates 2 months later it is revised up——an average of 80,000 per month since August 2008 and every month throughout 2008. This is not the UE rate since that is those on UE benefits but the underemployment is now 21M and add that to the 5M on UE or 25M are either underemployed—-part time or not looking or entering the black market——

Now 598,000 (a curious number since Wall Street had a 600,000 lost alarm for January) so if the revised average was applied to January it is 680,000 lost. December recorded 570,000 add another 80,000 actually might be 650,000. Now November was increased from 524,000 to 577,000 in the latest report.

I read a non published economic outlook from a FED Reserve Bank economist that held they expected an additional 5M job losses in 2009 with the majority in the first 9 months of this year. That is a run rate of about 500,000 through September ( 4.5M) where then they hope because of the expected stimulus will slow down the job loss to about 100,000 per month.

You tell me what industry is recession or depression proof with a job loss exceeding 8M in 24 months? Well maybe foreclosure and eviction service firms.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Feb 8, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

If the Superbowl was down

So will the Cubs and every other team for that matter.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Feb 7, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

well it was a poorly played game

and no one really cares about the Cardinals, even in Arizona

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Feb 7, 2009 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

What?

That was one of the best Superbowls in recent memory, including last years Pats vs. Giants Superbowl.

by bikemonkey on Feb 7, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, b/c the teams were mediocre on one side of the ball

one team had all offense and no defense, the other vice versa-so it may have been exciting, but it was a sharply executed game

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Feb 8, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

wasnt

why do I always do that?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Feb 8, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

unrelated consequences

The Super Bowl is an event onto itself and my brother’s firm provided various services to the entertainment part and all the traffic/income/attendance was done considerably. This had nothing to do with the game on TV or teams on the field.

It is like saying the Masters was down because Charles Coody won it——those who go are not really interested in who wins—-it is about being there.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Feb 8, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

And yet somehow

It was the second-highest rated Super Bowl and third-highest program overall…

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Feb 8, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Seems to me

The Cubs have a hugh fan base to draw from . My opinion the Cubs shouldn’t get hurt bad ..

by CUBFANINAZ on Feb 6, 2009 8:28 PM CST reply actions  

They've already hurt by the loss of sponsors.

Both National City and Washington Mutual no longer exist and Under Armour has pulled out of their sponsorship agreement.

And those are only the ones that I’ve heard about.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Feb 6, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

About Under Armour...

… they have reneged on a contractual agreement, and are being sued. That’s a bit different from “pulling out of their sponsorship agreement”

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 6, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

One man's pullout...

….is another man’s renege!

"[I]f we get a Jumbotron, I can't pull the instant replay thing on all the rookies. Every time there's a good play, we're like, 'Oh, look at the replay,' and you get the rookies to look at the scoreboard." - Ryan Dempster, 2 January 2009

by CaughtInTheVines on Feb 7, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Are we still talking about advertising?

We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.

by daver on Feb 8, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems like a legit thing

And sadly doesnt surprise me. The early trading does, but not the tight budgets for teams. Any chance this might force the PA to accept a salary cap to allow for teams not to fold due to finances?

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 6, 2009 8:46 PM CST reply actions  

You'd have to see

at least one team fold first before the union would trust the owners that there is a problem. Too much history there and the owners have cried wolf too many times.

Owners have always had a salary cap. It’s called the word “No”

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Feb 6, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

That's "some" owners have already had a salary cap

Labor issues are not players versus owners. Labor issues are about large market owners vs small market owners.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 8, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

A salary cap only puts more money into the owners hands

it doesnt really help too much

"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"

by fischisgod on Feb 6, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

A salary cap is only good if there is a

salary “sill”, or minimum. The NFL has had it for a long time and after the NHL came back from missing a year, they too have it; albeit the magnitude of those numbers are smaller.

A Cap would only hold down the Yankees, BoSox, Dodgers, Angels, Mets and Cubs. It does nothing to push up the Pirates, Reds, Royals, A’s, Nats, Marlins and Rays.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 8, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

The Cubs will be hurt bythe recession.

It will take them an extra 20 minutes to sell out their tickets.

by Rick B on Feb 6, 2009 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

+1

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 6, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't be so sure.

Prices are up and people are out of work. We’ll see.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 7, 2009 4:24 AM CST up reply actions  

We're just now starting to see and feel the full force of the recession

It took awhile, but the full effects of the recession are starting to be felt. This is going to be interesting for all sports, not just MLB, to maintain budgets, especially payrolls. I gotta tell ya, I’m due to come home in about 3 weeks from Kuwait, and I’m very nervous as to what “home” I’m coming home to.

I think this recession is going to change the financial landscape of sports dramatically, and for a long time to come. It may force the owners, and PA to do things that they never would have considered before.

by nmcubsfan on Feb 7, 2009 4:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Define hurt

A 5-10% drop in operating margin (not 5-10 percentage points) sure, but more than 20% is unlikely for the Cubs.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 8, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Heard this a few weeks ago...

Hendry has the players assembled to make a deal in late May or June.. It’s the only thing that make the DeRo trade sensible. Basically, Hendry stockpiled prospects to make a deal for an impact player..

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Feb 6, 2009 9:00 PM CST reply actions  

Or depending on asking prices

due to need to move NOW could make two impact players for less than the going rate in exchange

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 6, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Where did you hear that?

…and was that before the latest O’s deal and the Mariners deal?

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 8, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think the Cubs can afford

2 impact players..

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Feb 6, 2009 10:29 PM CST reply actions  

Before everyone gets too giddy

I’m going to sound a small warning bell of sorts in this – who would you be targeting? Because for all the talks about a blockbuster, it still has to fit our roster, and thus, we’re talking CF and maybe shortstop, along with pitching, as possibilities, UNLESS Hendry decides he wants to dramatically redo things and make multiple moves (such as Lee), which I don’t see happening.

Look around -

Tigers – Granderson is a nice thought, but he’s cheap. Why would the Tigers move him if the issue is payroll? He’s making 3.5 million. That is barely a dent, and they can clear 3.5 million in other ways if that really made a difference. Verlander is intriguing, but he’s also cheap, and there definitely are questions after his lackluster 2008 (albeit, he wasn’t as bad as some make him out to be). I think, if they run into trouble, they’ll shop Miguel Cabrera, and you’ll see the Angels, the Red Sox get into it.

Twins – Who would they need to pare? Their payroll is cheap. I could see them want to shop Cuddyer perhaps, and maybe Punto, if better guys emerge, but neither guy makes a difference for us.

Certainly, there are options, but I don’t see many expensive guy that fits our team’s need that another team is likely to shop in a dump mode early if they can’t meet payroll. Keep in mind that we have some payroll limitations, although one big move is likely. Honestly, the only thing I think is a possibility for us early in the year is the Peavy trade getting revisited, or another SP type trade.

by toonsterwu on Feb 6, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

Part of that depends on...

… which teams are doing poorly near the trading deadline.

Consider this: one year ago today, would you have thought that the defending AL Central champion Indians, who had won 96 games the year before, would have traded CC Sabathia?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 7, 2009 4:26 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

How about Sizemore ?

From Indians .. Like to see him in centerfield for the Cubs .

by CUBFANINAZ on Feb 7, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

He's their best player...

… and one of the best in the league. Why would they trade him?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 7, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Indians are out

If the Indians are out of contention . Salarydump .. Just checked his stats .. 33 homeruns , most in baseball centerfielders , 101 runs scored , 38 steals , 876 ops .. Yes .. great stats .. just hoping .. Sizemore would be a great franchise player .. Then again why did the Indians trade CC ???

by CUBFANINAZ on Feb 7, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

You've just noted why they won't deal him.

CC was going to free agency. Sizemore is signed. As you said, he’s a franchise player. He’d be the last one they’d dump.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 7, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats been a dream for a while

for us to get Sizemore, and its not gonna happen, Al is right, he is a franchise player, ths kind of trade will only happen in fantasy leagues, but it is nice to dream about.

by chrisw95 on Feb 8, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

it certainly was an idea a lot of people thought could happen

because CC was an impending FA and all indications, at this point last year, were that the Indians weren’t going to be able to afford his new contract.

by toonsterwu on Feb 7, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

All depends on what teams perform poorly on the field and at the gate.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 8, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Well Granderson might get too expensive for them before we're out of the wood economically

maybe, I hope so???

I suspect youre correct though, I dont see how we’d pick up anybody of note through these means. Cabrera would be awesome of course, but we can’t move Lee.

It wouldnt hurt to explore a trade for Asdrubal Cabrera regardless, Brandon Inge could certainly help in a super utility, Mark DeRosa kind of way

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Feb 7, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

As much as I like Asdrubal - that won't be happening.

They’d move Peralta first and his contract is reasonable, too. Miguel Tejada has a shot of needing to be unloaded. Don’t know if we’d want him.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Feb 7, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

No, probably not

Though that Prior for Tejada mightve worked out for us.

We’ll see, I think the Indians have what it takes to win the Central-so if theyre winning, hopefully they’d be drawing okay and wouldnt be forced to unload parts, though Peralta could be expendable anyway

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Feb 7, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

No to Brandon Inge

I don’t think the comparison of Brandon Inge to Mark DeRosa is accurate. Inge can only play two positions and he is not a good hitter. He does make some spectacular plays and has a great arm, but imo he is highly overrated and is owed a lot of money still ($6M in 09 and $6M in 10).

by madeindetroit on Feb 8, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

This just means that the often rumored

Roberts & Peavy will be available earlier than the trade deadline. I don’t see many other potentially available players fitting the Cubs need. Hendry probably has a list of players set for either deal..

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Feb 7, 2009 2:01 PM CST reply actions  

Cubs are in the same boat as the other teams

Especially when you factor in that Tom Ricketts and his family are trying to secure $500 million of debt to purchase the team, meaning an annual debt load of $30 million plus that the Tribune Company never had to contend with. Lets also keep in mind that Ricketts inherits the costly dilemma of major renovation plans for Wrigley.

Don’t be surprised if Jim Hendry is under orders at some point to skinny down payroll.

by BLou on Feb 7, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions  

Hope not

The Cubs are close with the players they have . One or two pieces .. Hopefully no trimming payroll next year ..

by CUBFANINAZ on Feb 7, 2009 4:00 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know about the rest of those teams...

… but the Brewers are going to hit 2 million tickets sold before opening day on their current sales pace. They aren’t going to have any problem making payroll and they certainly aren’t going to be forced into dealing anyone in order to make payroll. If things go poorly out of the gate (and they very well may) you may see a couple of players (Cameron, for one) dealt because the team’s place in the standings can no longer justify keeping them and their salaries around just to see them depart in free agency at the end of the season.

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 7, 2009 6:07 PM CST reply actions  

Did the Brewers keep ticket prices the same?

If so, that probably helped them with their sales.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 7, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

More or less.

Some ticket prices went up a bit, but they froze the prices in many sections and they actually cut day-of-game bleacher seat prices from $18 to $10. Parking fees will also stay at 2008 levels. It doesn’t hurt that they had some of the lowest prices in the league to begin with.

Part of the sales bump is also due to the playoff appearance last year, as the Brewers guaranteed 2008 playoff tickets to those who bought season ticket packages for 2009 during the last weeks of the 2008 season. That gave them a head start on the 2009 season before the depth of the economic crisis really became apparent, and before it had resulted in the kind of widespread job losses we’ve seen lately. They’re unlikely to sell the 3 million seats they sold last year, but I think they’ll be alright. Of course, they actually need the ticket holders to show up in order to get the complete benefit of seat sales through parking and concessions. Despite an offseason filled with bad news, I think there will be enough carry over from 2008 to make attendance solid the first two months of the season. What happens after that will probably depend on how they fair on the field through the end of June.

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 7, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

There's your key...

2009 ST pkgs guaranteed 2008 playoff tix.

What tells if a team is going to approach capacity for the season is when a mid-week game against a crappy team in the 400-level down the lines (at Miller) is practically sold out days or weeks in advance.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 8, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Brewers are in for a 90 loss season

I don’t mean to be a dink, but there is no way a team with a rotation that includes Jeff Suppan, David Bush and Chris Capuano coupled with a lousy bullpen is going to be anything but a bad team. It’s great to have Braun, Fielder, Hardy and promise of Yovani Gallardo. But overall that pitching staff is dreadful. Brewers will have the worst ERA in baseball.

by BLou on Feb 8, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

They are in for .500 baseball not a 90 loss season

Unless Braun or Fielder is injured this team will dread around .500 all season in my opinion.

by ak123 on Feb 8, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

They have too much hitting to lose 90 games.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 8, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't ruled that out completely...

… though I think their bats will keep them at about 80 wins or so.

The rotation won’t include Capuano. At least not out of the box, anyway. He doesn’t figure to be ready until May. I like Gallardo and Parra, but given their youth and low inning totals last year, I’d like them a lot better as a #2 and #3 than a #1 and #2. Bush eats innings and pitches above replacement, which would make him an excellent #5 and a decent #4, but as a #3 he’s sub-par. Suppan’s a train wreck at this point and if this team had any starting depth I seriously doubt he’d be in the rotation at all. McClung, who looks like (at this early date) to have the inside track as the #5 starter, will probably out perform Suppan, but that isn’t saying much.

I actually like the BP, but even if they’re as good as I think it’s hard to see them holding up past July with the amount of innings they’ll have to throw.

The Brewers have done a poor job of drafting pitching talent and getting it to the majors over the years, and it’s really taking its toll this year. It’s pretty much impossible for a mid-market team to make up for poor drafting/development by throwing money at the problem in baseball’s current economic structure, and the fact that Suppan’s eating as much of the payroll as he is makes it even harder.

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 8, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I would be intertested to know how much

the average team spends on admin, scouting, and that sort of thing. I’m probably woefully clueless here, but it seems to me that with a payroll of 130-135 million, and an average picket price of $42.50, the Cubs nearly have their team payroll covered just off of ticket sales. So TV, radio, licensing, mlb.com, all go to everything else.

Sure seems like that should be more than adequate.

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Feb 7, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions  

With bullpen, CBOE and dugout box seats in the mix now

these teams really should have the median price posted instead of average. $42.50 could be misleading by as much as 10-15%, which is huge.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 8, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

You bet that could be happening

and that applies for ALL 30 MLB teams.

While I believe the Cubs’ first weekend of single game tickets will be about as robust as previous years, it’s not all that surprising they’re holding back a bit. Friday may not be as big but there’s always a huge demand for these games. Now what I believe what will happen for the Cubs is the lesser-desired games will be available longer towards and into the season than years’ past. The “hot ticket” games will go as about as quickly. Avg tickets purchased per person may be lower but there will be more total purchasers. I give it a 50/50 chance the Cubs will hit the 600k ticket sales volume on Friday, 2/20.

Mid-May may be a bit early but think of teams like the Pads and their situation. There’s already rumblings about ticket renewals being way down. Ownership transfer doesn’t automatically mean a transfusion of cash. The financing leg (which is why I like Ricketts proposed structuring for the Cubs’ sale) has a lot to do with expenditures, mainly player payroll.

I know I had no issues what so ever dishing off 80-85% of my ST’s to my buds in a lottery-style pick. I’m going to only 15 games of the 81. I simply can’t plan ahead to go to that many more games any more with the other responsibilities I have.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 8, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

Remember that...

… the “hot-ticket” games have had huge price increases. I suspect that a $60 bleacher price will price some people out of the market for the 14 “platinum” games.

They’ll sell out, but I’m guessing not as quickly as other years, and there will be far more games available after 2/20 than has been the case in other years.

This will be a real test of how deep this recession is. The Cubs have seemed recession-proof in the past. Now we’re about to find out how true that is.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 8, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget

People assume that The Cubs are recession proof and will sell out regardless. Nothing is recession proof in America right now. I can’t think of 3 forms of entertainment that is recession proof.

The only saving grace for baseball games are that they are an alternative to a vacation. For example, a 3-day weekend vacation to the Dells can be substituted for a day downtown in Chicago and a game at Wrigley.

by ak123 on Feb 8, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

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