2009 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp Review
I got back last Monday 2/2/09 from the latest camp, which this year ran from 1/25/09 to 2/1/09. It was my second one, last year having been the first.
We were lodged again this year at the Dobson Ranch Inn in Mesa. Nothing fancy, but certainly comfortable for what we needed for the week. This year's Cub coaches mirrored much of last year's. They were Jody Davis-Lee Smith (my team, and we won the camp championship), Todd Hundley-Willie Wilson, Don Kessinger-Glenn Beckert (really cool to see them together, and Beckert is much better than last year after his brain injury), Leon Durham-Larry Biittner, Ed Lynch-Bobby Dernier, Keith Moreland-Ron Coomer, Jose Cardenal-Rick Reuschel, and Ferguson Jenkins-Joe Pepitone. Randy Hundley of course was there running the show all week and Ron Santo made an appearance on two days later in the week. Bert Campaneris, Ken Rudolph, Byron Browne, Garry Jestadt and Ron Davis also played in the camper-pros game on Saturday.
Sunday the 25th we all filtered into town and had a get together cocktail reception in the evening, where they announce the teams and give us a general heads up on the week. I thought our team was immediately in trouble when one of our players drunkenly fell off a bar stool towards the end of the evening. He was no worse for wear as he turned out to be one of our more reliable players all week. We also had two sets of brothers who were not shy about booze consumption either, and when you keep in mind that the minimum age for camp is 30, and the youngest guy on our team was 40, and he wasn't one of the heavy drinkers, we achieved the impossible winnng the championship, because it's safe to say our team also came in first at the bar each night. One of the features of camp is that they record each game played, and instead of a separate room as in years past, this year they replayed the games on the hotel bar TVs, which kept quite a lot of business in the hotel and bar, a smart thing on someone's part. There was a lot of good natured ribbing each night, and it contributed to the camaraderie.
Monday through Friday we played two games each day against each other on the Fitch Park fields (which were very nicely manicured) , with the exception of Wednesday, when we traveled to Scottsdale to play the Giants' campers. One game in the morning (using the pitching machines, not nearly as easy as one might think) a very nice catered lunch, and then another game in the afternoon. Afterwards, there were coolers full of free beer and soda in the Fitch Park Clubhouse and a shuttle back to the hotel if we didn't drive ourselves. Dinner was left to us most nights, with the exception of Thursday, when the coaches barbecued for us and Friday, when we took the coaches out. We took Davis and Smith to Don and Charlie's in Scottsdale again, which is full of sports memorabilia and one of their favorite places.
Wednesday against the Giants we played against live pitching, and even though they barely threw above "hitting speed", as Lynch put it, they beat us 7 of the 8 games we played them that day overall. Making the adjustment from the roughly 70 MPH machines to the soft tossing crap (even though they weren't trying to throw soft, it was just what they could do) we found hard to do. Moreland-Coomer's team was the only one to beat them. Their coaches included Gary Matthews (why Sarge does their camp instead of the Cubs is a mystery), Vida Blue and Jeff Leonard. Blue warned us all off Leonard, telling us he was genuinely crazy, and the way Leonard kept heckling one of our campers apparently that proved true, as it went beyond funny after a while. The Giant camp could only field four teams to our eight this year. Last year they had eight but the economy put a damper on them. Even the Hundley camp suffered, as I heard there were about 30 cancellations this year. Although we had eight teams, we had about 11 per squad versus the 12-4 of last year.
No-shows this year included Ernie Banks, who Hundley said he talks with regularly but had no idea if he was coming or not. Billy Williams was scheduled but had to back out this year because he had some issues with his house in Chicago. This necessitated drafting Pepitone into a full time role as a team coach all week, a task he found hard to do. At the week ending banquet on Saturday evening, Moreland was at the dias and introduced Fergie to Pepitone, because even though they coached the same team, Fergie and Pepitone hadn't seen much of each other. Last year, I was completely unimpressed with Pepitone, but this year's model was much better. HIs son Billy was there on a team, which might have had something to do with it. However, Billy had to leave mid-week as he developed some sort of problems with his feet and it became painful for him to even stand. One of the highlights of the morning meetings we had each day before the games was Pepitone, along with two other campers, dressing up as the Three Stooges to conduct the daily Kangaroo Court. Pepitone took one of his wigs, turned it sidewys, and he was MOe. The two campers, who are brothers, were more than reasonable facsimiles of Larry and Curly. At one point, Pepitone's son was fined something like $5.00 for not wearing a batting helmet or something like that, and when asked if he had a defense, he pointed to his Dad and said "all I can say is there's my DNA".
On the subject of Santo- he wanted to be there Monday, but Hundley said he had taken ill at the Cub Convention and was sick again. He said he didn't know if he was at liberty to say what was wrong, but was about to tell us anyway when his son Todd spoke up and said "then don't say anything if you're not sure you can." Randy stopped, looked at Todd, and went on to something else. However, when Santo did show up later in the week, he freely told us what happened. Apparently he had experienced chest pains again, went home to Arizona to see his cardiologist, and was told one of his arteries was 99% blocked. He was fresh off an angioplasty when he saw us last week. He had to spend something like 10-12 hours flat on his back without moving his head while they did the procedure. He was cleared to see us the day before he arrived. He looked tired, but just sitting there joking with his friends and us he eventually got a big grin on his face and without getting too maudlin, it was likely the best medicine/therapy Santo could have had.
One more thing on Santo- last year, I played on the same team as a doctor who said he had treated Santo in an emergency room. He was brought in and he was flat-lined. They re-started his heart, and only later did they realize it was Santo. Apparently Santo has had this happen twice. At this juncture, many of us at camp firmly believe the only thing keeping Santo alive is his love for the Cubs and baseball. Yeah, he's not much of a color guy, not one at all, but frankly, the people who rip him for it are just a bit too elitist and smug for my taste, and moreover, they can kiss my ass. Having spent some time with him in bars in San Francisco and San Diego, and two years of fantasy camps, he epitomizes much of why we come to blogs like this and endure year after year of Cub failures. There's a closeness between the '69 guys that is palpable when you're around them. Seeing Beckert get tears in his eyes when talking about seeing Kessinger for the first time in years, listening to Dernier talk about how guys from his era look upon Hundley and the '69 guys are "big brothers", there's a bond there that not too many other teams, if at any all, can approach. It is what makes these camps so special.
And on that note, some miscellaneous things-
-on the first day, I rolled my ankle coming off the mound to field the ball and had to have it wrapped and braced the rest of the week in order to participate. Davis AND Smith both helped me get a brace from the local Sport Authority so I could stay upright. Each day they came by to make sure I was okay. I also can't say enough about the help we all got from the Cubs trainers.
- Eddie Vedder was there Friday and Saturday. He played for the Cardenal-Reuschel team on Friday and did well. At his own expense, he had CD copies made, complete with the original artwork, of a Cub Power record that was made in '69 along with a recording of a roast of Ron Santo from 1972. Each returning camper got the CD. First timers got a copy of the Vedder Cub sonf "All The Way", also provided by him. He gave a short speech at the banquet Saturday night that was very funny and also a bit emotional for him. Plus, he showed up at the hotel bar later and drank some. Quite the unassuming, regular guy.
- I want to make a special mention of Jody Davis, Randy Hundley and Lee Smith. My wife flew in Friday with my blind brother, who lost his sight five years ago and is now 41. At Don and Charlie's on Friday evening, Jody made a point of going over to my brother and talking him up for at least 20 minutes. He came over, put his hand in my brother's, introduced himself, and then sat next to him rubbing shoulders, just talking baseball. I don't think I've seen my brother smile so much in the last several years. It was really nice and great of Jody. Lee also talked to my brother for a while too, and cracked several jokes. On Saturday after the banquet, Hundley came over to find my wife to make sure the pictures we took of him and my brother came out and to see if there was anything else they could do for him. He invited my brother to come to a future camp and said he was sure they could occupy his time.
-One last thing- I made a post recently about Sluggo's, the old Harry and Steve's in Mesa. Sluggo's is now Diamond's Sports Grille. We went there and saw the Super Bowl. The new owners have already made some great changes. Gone are all the old TVs and the walls are covered with new HDTVs. The place is re-painted, the menu ugraded, an old chef brought back, and this week the place is closed so they can re-model the bathrooms. The two Cub murals are still there, and while the walls were essentially empty save for the TVs when we were there, it was because of the new paint. They plan on putting all the old stuff back up, and a lot of the old beer company promo banners the previous owner thought lent the place ambiance are gone. Bottom line, it is definitely worth checking out again if you're going to Spring Training or at any time. We were pleasantly surprised.
Sorry for the length and inevitable typos. I left some stuff out because this was getting really long. Suffice to say camp was a blast, and as I said last year, if you have the wherewithal to do it once, don't put it off. The '69 guys are all 66, 67, 68, 69 years old, and can't last forever, although Santo just might.
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Outstanding post.
Great detail, sounds like you had a fantastic time, and good to hear how terrific the players are in helping you out and promoting camaraderie.
I would love to go someday.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Feb 7, 2009 11:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
… provided money is no obstacle and it’s just a matter of setting aside the time and deciding to do it, I wouldn’t wait too much longer. The things that make it special (which for guys our age are the ‘69 Cubs and what they bring to the table), aren’t going to be available for too much longer. Santo is literally living on borrowed time. Kessinger hadn’t been there in years, and while Beckert is recovered from his fall, he’s still not 100% in the moment. Williams had to cancel this year. Fergie keeps on rolling, as does Randy, but it’s been two years now since Banks’ last appearance, Hickman, Holtzman, Hands, etc. haven’t been there in quite some time, and while Ron Coomer and Willie Wilson are fun guys and do as much as they can to make the experience great, they really don’t say “Cubs” to me like some other guys. Moreland, Dernier, Durham, Smith, Sutcliffe and Davis are the type of guys to pick up the mantle, so to speak, but Sandberg, Grace, Dawson and some others have yet to do a camp, to my knowledge.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 7, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great read
Thanks for sharing! Glad you had a great time.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Feb 7, 2009 12:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for this.
Sounds like a blast, and it’s good to hear the former Cubs seem to have good heads on their shoulders.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Feb 7, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
thanks very much
If anything, this was not long enough. If you have further thoughts or stories, please post them.
WhistlerWilliams
by WhistlerWilliams on Feb 7, 2009 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let's see...
As it relates to Beckert, a couple of years ago he fell down some stairs at home and hit his head right on the temple. He was hurt so badly his family was told to the hospital to say goodbye. However, Beck’s a fighter, and over time, he made himself re-learn everything. He would take notes on people that called him, such as for Kessinger, he would write "good friend, played shortstop with me on Cubs, married to so and so, etc., so that when he would talk to them he would have the right things to say. He would write down the meanings of words so he wouldn’t forget. Last year, I lockered two stalls away from him and thought he had dementia. While he’s still somewhat slightly disengaged, the difference between last year and this year is remarkable.
Rick Reuschel is a heckuva nice guy. His players raved about him, and he takes the time to learn all the campers’ names. Very down to earth, just a big farm boy. However, early in the week, one of the umpires called one of his player sout on strikes, and Reuschel was livid. He said in all his years of camps he never saw a camper get called out on strikes. On and on he went, saying they pay good money to play and swing, not get called out. He even asked Hundley to talk to the ump. In the end, the ump held his ground, and Reuschel actually tried to get himself thrown out of a fantasy camp game, which the ump wouldn’t do.
Can’t say enough nice things about Kessinger. A true southern gentleman. Very solicitous of Beckert, and gracious signing autographs. Every person he signed for he thanked THEM for asking for it. And, there’s no way you’d recognize him now. Bald with white fringe hair and a bit of a paunch. He looks like a jolly old farmer.
Every day, Leon Durham, who lockered a few stalls from me as did Willie Wilson, would take and hide one or two things from Wilson’s uniforn. One day it was socks and stirrups, another day his pants or jersey, other days all of it. It was a lot funnier than it reads. Each day Wilson could be heard to say “that ain’t right, that ain’t right, that’s f——ed up” and so on. We’re all cracking up, and Durham is oblivious, just pulling on his pants or putting on his shirt. Finally on Saturday Durham simp,y moved all Wilson’s stuff down a few lockers, and it took a while for Willie to realize it as he was going out of his mind.
On one of the many days Pepitone left Fergie by himself in the afternoon, Jenkins came back to the hotel to find Pepitone, sans wig, asleep by the pool. Jenkins gathered up as much ice as he could find in buckets and poured it all over a startled Pepitone.
Santo says his angioplasty makes him feel better than he has in a while. It’s no secret my admiration for the guy, but he didn’t look all that good. I will say I’ve never met a tougher son of a bitch in my life. Injecting insulin all those years, swearing his roommate Beckert to secrecy about it, all his myriad of heart problems, losing both legs and yet he still comes back for more. If there is a tougher, more resilient human being in my lifetime I have yet to hear of him or her.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 7, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks again
WhistlerWilliams
by WhistlerWilliams on Feb 8, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don Kessinger !!!!
I would have LOVED a Kessinger autograph. My first “favorite” Cub. I never got over the trade. It scared me for life.
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by Doggie Stalker on Feb 7, 2009 1:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sounds great, if you don't mind sharing what is the cost of the camp?
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by DC Cubbie on Feb 7, 2009 2:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well..
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 7, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HUH?
Must have hit enter too soon, Anyway, if you want to share a room with someone all week, it’s $3,950.00. If you want a room by yourself, tack on anohter $500.00. For that price, rookies get seven nights at the Dobson, breakfast tokens for the Dobson buffet each day, catered lunch Monday through Friday, all the free beer and soda you want from the clubhouse coolers and the “Honorary Gene Oliver Hospitaly Suite” at the Dobson that I didn’t mention in my original post, which is operated by J.J. Givens (sp?), a camp assistant. You also play ten games each other plus the game against the pros on Saturday at Ho Ho Kam (each team plays and bats one inning). You get to keep a full personalized home uniform with the number of your choice, which includes the shirt, pants, belt and stirrups. You also get a blue away jersey with your number, a New Era fitted hat and a personalized Louisville slugger, PLUS a ball signed by all the pros and your locker nameplate that’s been signed by all the pros. You also can run around all week and get as much stuff signed as you want. All the pros are very cool about it and expect, in addition to all the pictures you can take. Bob Vorwald, the WGN staffer who wrote the Cubs Forever book, was a camper and he signed a bunch books. Many of us also had the pros sign various pages of the book, too. The banquet on Saturday is included, but if you bring guests like I did, they’re $50 each extra.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 7, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a great time
did you catch Vedder tearing it up on karaoke at the Dobson Ranch Inn?
by Manny Trillo on Feb 7, 2009 2:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually....
….. Vedder was there drinking for a bit when some camper did a rather credible job on karaoke with Only The Lonely. Vedder took the mike, said he couldn’t top that and maybe he (Vedder) should quit his day job, and then booked it out of the bar.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 7, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The videos....
…. have been removed. I was in the bar late on Friday and Vedder wasn’t there, although he might have shown up after I left. He could have come back late on Saturday after I left, but I frankly, I was unaware this happened.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 7, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Found 'em....
Judging by what Vedder is wearing, he came back late on Saturday. Rats. Oh well.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 7, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT POST.....
Now I can’t wait to get back out to Mesa next month . Diamonds will be one of our first stops ….I am printing this out to share with other Cub fans …..
by cubs north on Feb 7, 2009 5:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow!!!....Thanks For The Great Post.
How is your ankle doing, BeerCub?
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.
by deadcatbounce on Feb 7, 2009 5:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not so hot, actually....
It hasn’t gotten appreciably better since a week ago Monday. I’m about ready to go to a doctor. I tore stuff in it in ‘89 and while it hasn’t swollen on me like it did back then, I’m still taking ibuprofen to get through the day, which is not good.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 7, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doctor
Get yourself to a doctor beercub. My husband had something similar happen to him and decided to tough it out and because he waited wounded up in major surgery when if he had gone right away it would have been a lot less worse.
Ironically he was planning to go to the camp last year before this happened. This year he didn’t go because we had a family wedding.
Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)
by cubstoseriesby100 on Feb 8, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome post!
This reminds me of Kramer who went to yankees fantasy camp and then george says “he goes to a fantasy camp? his life is a fantasy. He falls ass backwards into money, sleeps with women without dating and mooches food off of his neighbor, he should have a fantasy camp.”
Glad you had a great time
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by fischisgod on Feb 7, 2009 6:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great post!
That was such a fun read. I didn’t realize they had camps like this, this is such a great idea. Sounds like a blast! Did you go by yourself or did you have other friends meet you at the camp? If I wanted to go with a couple friends would they let me and my friends be in the same group/team for the week? Is there a website that gives details on the camp and what the daily schedule looks like?
by chipwood23 on Feb 7, 2009 10:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Just google Randy Hundley’s Cub Fantasy Camps and you’ll find his website. Unfortunately, he doesn’t do a good job of updating it. Marketing has never been a strength or much of an issue with Randy as word of mouth has usually sufficed.
Most campers go by themselves, but it is okay to go with friends and request the same team. In some years, there have been entire teams who went together.
Randy has enlisted help the last several years to help administer things. E-mail Lori Socki at loris@reallygreatmeetings.com for anyquestions you have.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 7, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smitty
inviting your bro back and saying that they can occupy him, as well as both Smitty and Jody taking the tiem for him is pure Class.
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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 7, 2009 10:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Teammate's Comments
I saw the headline about the Cubs camp and thought I would read it. As I began to read, I quickly realized this was one of my teammates. Then I had to go about figuring out which one was the Ernest Hemingway in the group. It didn’t take me too long to figure out, once he mentioned about his rolled ankle. I’m certain it won’t take too long for him to figure out who I am, as I was one of the fast guys that ran for him…that is until my legs completely gave out. By saturday, during the game against the big leaguers, I could hear some of the fans laughing at me after I made contact with the ball because I hobbled up the first base line. I’m certain BeerCub could have outrun me by the end of the week with his bad ankle. Of course, this is all the design and intention of the camp, to burn out the campers as much as possible so that come saturday they are incapable of playing well against the pros.
Here it is one week later, I am unable to walk without pain. I am completely unaccustomed to this. I thought, going into camp I was in decent shape and could at least survive. Take heed, future campers, get your body in shape!
I would second BeerCub’s comments about our coaches as well. We had a great team and most of us hung out together in the bar after the games. Keith Moreland and Ron Coomer kept us entertained with stories at the bar. Of course, on Friday, when we survived the first game to clinch the championship, we realized that since the afternoon game was meaningless and the Dernier/Lynch squad wanted to finish at 500, we pretty much played the game “replenishing our body with liquids,” from a cooler that Jody Davis brought over loaded with beer. We were cited numerous times for R.U.I.’s, otherwise known as “running under the influence.”
As a rookie, I can say it was a worthwhile experience, even though I am suffering long after camp. The camraderie of all, the stories, the baseball and the opportunity to play on such magnificent fields is worth every penny of it. Not to mention the weather. Since I live in California, the weather is not much beyond the ordinary for me, but I can attest to the comments of most of the white skinned Chicago Boys that Arizona in January beats Chicago anytime.
by Galtwho on Feb 8, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for your addition to BeerCub's comments.
Man, I really want to do this someday. (But based on both of your posts, I had better get into shape before I do it!)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Feb 8, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beercub
What kind of talent level is needed to go? Are most of the campers former high school player, college, minor leaguers, etc, or just couch potatoes?
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Feb 8, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No talent necessary
In the last two years, I haven’t met anyone who was a former minor leaguer or college player. Some guys probably played high school ball, and maybe even some did play college, but since the minimum age is 30, and the average is of a camper is a bit over 40, with one or two exceptions no one really has been head and shoulders above the rest talent-wise. Some guys on our team this year played in over 40 leagues, a couple of guys in over 50 leagues, but that’s it. I haven’t played in any organized baseball league since I was 14. While it does help to be in decent shape, even that’s not a complete barrier to having a good time.
Between last year and this year, while most wouldn’t know, I did lose 20 pounds. I could stand to lose a lot more, but I didn’t go with the illusion of being the star of the camp, either. I will admit that my inability to hit the first couple of days got me depressed, but I’m blind in my left eye and since I bat right handed, I don’t pick up the ball as soon as others. Ironically, Lee Smith of all people took me to a field between games and worked with me on my hitting, adjusting my stance to be more open so I could at least put the ball in play. I got hitting advice from Leon Durham, Jody Davis, Randy Hundley and Lee Arthur, all good advice but all slightly different. Smith’s is what worked. Simply putting the ball in play at Fantasy Camp is all you really need to do to have a good chance at getting on base. That should give you a good idea of the talent level needed.
But if I’m ever going to go again, and I’d like to but it won’t be in 2010, barring winning the lottery, I’ll definitely work on short, 90 foot sprints and hitting against a machine before I go. Baseball is a game of short sprints, and guys who can run in short quick bursts without destroying a hamstring have an infinitely better chance of succeeding at camp than those who don’t work on it. When I hurt my ankle and wasn’t hitting, I felt like I was letting down my team, who after a couple of days really became the team to beat in camp. I got down on myself, but between working on my hitting with Smith and reminding myself just hanging with Kessinger, Beckert, Santo, Hundley, Jenkins, Davis, Smith, Durham, etc was why I was really there, I ended up having a great time.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 8, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who does the pitching?
I think you eluded to this earlier, but I may have missed it in all the posts. Do the players pitch, or do they have coaches/machines pitch?
by dr stabbingworth on Feb 9, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hundley's Camp Uses Machines
We used pitching machines, except for Wednesday’s games when we played the Giants’ campers. They refused to use machines and so we did live pitching. As Hundley says though and I would agree, if we used live pitching all the time we’d be waiting all day for somebody to throw strikes, but beyond that, arms would be shot and we’d be out of pitchers by Tuesday since we played two games a day.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 9, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How fast do the machines throw?
And do they mix up types of pitches?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Feb 9, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Straight fastballs....
…. fast being a relative term. The machines were about 60-70 MPH.
Now, the jury is out on whether you can play with the ball and make it do stuff when it comes out of the machine. Last year, I thought I had figured out a way to make it spin as I dropped it into the machine, which gave it a sink. Some people though, are convinced the mechanisms of the machine prevent that from happening. You’re supposed to simply press the ball against this slide mechanism and let it fall into the wheels. All I know is last year I was called for spinning the ball on two different occasions, and this year at a morning meeting Beckert said he wished the Davis-Smith pitcher (my team) would quit spinning the ball as he put it in the machine. Ironically, I didn’t do it that much this year and we also had a couple of other guys who “pitched”, so it might not have been me.
But no, the machines aren’t set to curve or anything else. Just straight, because the idea is to let everyone hit and put the ball in play. Unless of course you’re facing our team and we really need an out :).
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 9, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info...
… interesting stuff.
I would LOVE to do this camp someday.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Feb 9, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So it depends on the camp?
I guess that makes sense. It would take me a solid 2 months to get my arm ready to throw pitches again. Although, in reality, I would probably just throw for two days prior to camp and then try to amp it up on day one before leaving camp on day 2 with an arm injury.
How did the live pitching go on the Wednesday game?
by dr stabbingworth on Feb 9, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it does depend on the camp
If you google others, you’ll find those that do nothing but live pitching. It’s all a matter of preference, but I’m partial to Hundley’s way.
We got skunked on Wednesday as a camp over all. Seven of the eight Cub teams lost, ours included. Everyone was swinging early because since so much of hitting is timing, and we had done nothing but face the machines for two days. It was like facing arced softball pitching, and we were all out of whack. By the time our team re-adjusted in the late innings, we were too far behind to catch up. They played two hours or seven innings, whichever came first.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 9, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Thanks for the info.
by dr stabbingworth on Feb 9, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow,,,,,
Just wondering what a fool I might make of mysel…and I played 15 yrs of fast pitch softball ????
by cubs north on Feb 8, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We're all Fools!
In response to your question and Beer Cubs post above. I haven’t played any baseball since I was 12 years old. I have played softball quite regularly through the years. In fact, one of the biggest problems I had in camp was grasping the baseball and getting a consistent release point. My throws were all over the place.
In the end, you are going to get out of the camp what you proabably came for. If you want autographs, they are available the entire camp. If you come to experience a challenge in your life, which is what my biggest motivation was, you will be appropriately challenged. Could I play baseball again, that was the biggest question on my mind, because I gave up on baseball way too early in my young life. I know others came just to be awed by being around the former Cubs. Personally, I enjoyed every minute with them and felt grateful they were willing to take a week out of their lives to do this camp. I know they all got paid, but they could be off in Hawaii with their families or out playing golf, instead of hanging out with a bunch of Cub Fanatics and wannabees. I didn’t take my time with them for granted, but I didn’t feel at any time they owed me anything…even for an autograph. The entire time I was thankful that they shared their experiences and time with us.
As for BeerCub, since he brought it up, I can attest to his struggles. But what he failed to mention and I won’t, is that the last couple of days in camp he had some really big hits for our team and a couple of them turned the momentum in our favor and/or won some games for us. I understand how he might feel bad for the way he played. I felt bad because my biggest asset, my speed and legs, were completely shot by wednesday afternoon. I think that, more then anything sums up our team and why we played so well overall in camp. We all had our moments on the field and we all sucked at some point, too. Experience did not have a whole lot to do with it. Every team had its share of beginners and what I would say as “good ball players.” If you’re a competitor, you won’t be disappointed…but don’t come to camp thinking about winning a championship because unless you jell together as a team, you simply have no control over the outcome. Besides, winning the week netted us a plastic trophy and who’s going to give a rip or remember except those of us on the team this year!
Finally, I just want to repeat my comments about the fields one last time. To have the opportunity to field a ground ball or chase after a fly ball on a field of carpet….that is simply an experience not to be missed. Being in a Cubs uniform, in a competetive and fun environment, on a field of dreams and some fans is something to be cherished.
by Galtwho on Feb 8, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Twice......
…. I’ve written nice long posts in response to your first one but then I hit some wrong button and lose it all. Are you T.G. from Bakersfield?
I was remiss earlier in not thanking all the guys who ran for me. They got me on base when otherwise my “speed” would have prevented it. One of the nice things about camp is that they allow for designated runners.
And thanks for the kind words. Like I said, I couldn’t have done what I was able to do without you guys.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 8, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heartfelt thanks BeerCub (and Galtwho)
for this terrific, detailed summary. It almost made me feel like I was there.
When we start to get distracted by the darker aspects of sports, it’s great to be able to read something like this; a reminder of what’s special about baseball in general and about being a Cub fan in particular.
This post really made my day.
by bluekoolaide on Feb 8, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I'm glad I took the time to read this post and the comments.
The fantasy camp sounds like a blast. I have to admit, there are times when I wonder how I would do if I ever got on a baseball field again. I’m 39 and haven’t played since I was…what…maybe 11 or 12? My older brother was in the same boat until he played some softball last summer. He said it’s amazing the stuff that comes back to you.
I also found your description of Ron Santo sobering, worrisome yet inspiring in some way, too. We all hear about Ron’s nondescript “health problems” regulary, but rarely do we get the harsh details. I hope Ron can hang in there and enjoy many more seasons of baseball. And I agree – let him stay in the booth with Pat Hughes as long as he damn well pleases. He’s earned it.
Thanks for sharing.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 9, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Beercub
Thanks again…I loved last year’s post and was looking forward to hearing from ya again. Also, my boss went to camp 11 years ago and still raves about it on end, so I’ll be sure to copy link and send to him for reminisence (sp?) sake.
Once more, thanks again for sharing.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 9, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm Glad Everyone Has Liked The Posts
I’m very lucky to be in a position to do have done this the last two years. Unfortunately, I likely am not going next year although I’d go every year if I could. There are some people there on their 5th, 7th, 10th, even 20 plus year in a row.
Which reminds me- this camp isn’t limited to just guys. We had three women there this last time, and two of them were very good players, better than a LOT of guys. They were camp veterans. The other female was a rookie who was there with her 75 year old father, who had a locker next to me. He was there to simply have a good time and would occasionally good naturedly grouse that she was getting mad at him for not taking the games more seriously. She wasn’t as talented as the two other women, but she definitely was competitive.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 9, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes this does sounds like such a great time
Do they do some sort of draft to even out the players/abilities on the teams? Did any campers or former players hit any homeruns?
by chipwood23 on Feb 9, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No real draft...
… as far as I know. Returning coaches and Hundley go over players that have been there before and will try and balance out the good players they know about, so every team has at least a few good ones. There isn’t any audition or try out phase at Hundley’s camp like some others have. Of the roughly 90 or so campers that were there this last time, probably 60 or so, maybe 65-70, were rookies, so then they’ll sometimes go by age groupings, making sure not one or two teams have all the older or younger players, that sort of thing.
No one hit the ball over the fence this year, to my knowledge. There was a strapping guy who did it last year. We did have something like three or four inside the park job on our team, two in the same game by one of our sets of brothers.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Adjusting for inflation
I think I can handle putting 330 bones aside for the next 20 years for what sounds like a sweet experience.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
by TkGoUWGB on Feb 10, 2009 11:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I just pulled up the website
And I’ve got them mailing a brochure to my wife. I wonder if she’ll get the hint.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Feb 10, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well, I think you'll know when you get that Tiffany's catalog in the mail... ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 10, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know she hasn't gotten the brochure yet
But she did make a point to show me some earrings the other day that she REALLY REALLY liked
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Feb 11, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cub camp--a life experience highlight
Hello, BeerCub. I lockered next to you and had breakfast with you a couple of mornings. Our leg issues gave us a common bond.
When I signed up for the Hundley camp I had no idea that there were guys who went “every” year. That shocked me. I had looked at the experience as a once in a lifetime event (retirement present, in my case). I must say that it was a first class operation and though the price seems high, you do get “a lot” for the money. By “a lot” I mean getting to meet players and playing a lot of ball.
The players were more than approachable all week. They couldn’t be nicer and they were there to have fun too. Ed Lynch called me by name on the first day. Ron Coomer kept encouraging me in the batting cage to “stay on top of the ball. Now you’ve got it.” Fergie engaged me in a conversation about who was the best running back of all time (I couldn’t change his opinion).. Even Pepitone would ask me how I was feeling each morning. Willie Wilson did a 10 minute talk on outfield play—he was serious and it was good. The repeat campers were better prepared than I was to get autographs. I didn’t mind because I really just wanted to have conversations with these guys. When Kessinger talks to you one on one, you snap to it and listen. Sitting with Santo one on one in a golf cart was another highlight for me. Reuchel is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet (he was my coach for the week). He had a great quote: " I don’t want to see any of you slide unless you can’t stand up anymore."
When you are a little kid, getting up each morning and playing baseball all day was the best, what you lived for. This camp experience brings back those memories. I knew my legs were in bad shape, so my running and my fielding were not good. But I was able to hit well all week. I would recommend to anyone going to get to the batting cages a few times. This really helped me. I am 56 and I never played past high school. I didn’t feel out of place. BeerCub, nice job setting this article up—hope your ankle gets better soon. My two knee replacements await me.
by PalatineRol on Feb 10, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ok, this has thread hijack potential written all over it, but I have to ask...
Best running back of all time – who was Fergie’s pick and who was yours?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 10, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who do you pick?
I thought someone might pick up on that. I mentioned Gale Sayers (for 2 years he seemed to break one long run every game). Fergie gave me a stern look and asked me if I was old enough to remember a man named Jim Brown. Unfortunately I am old enough. We discussed Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and Fergie brought up Earl Campbell’s name twice, which I thought was interesting.
by PalatineRol on Feb 10, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow - that's kinda spooky...
I’ve always maintained that Jim Brown is the best running back of all time, but unfortunately I don’t remember watching him – I was too young when he retired (damn Dirty Dozen!). Growing up near Cleveland though, I certainly read about him, and I’ve seen plenty of film on him. Truly an amazing athlete.
If I limit myself to only those I have seen in real time, i.e. on tv, without a doubt it’s Magic, aka Gale Sayers. Oh man, did he have the moves and the speed. He just cut through lines and gaps like no one was even there. Definitely a joy to watch.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 11, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
I hope I was a decent breakfast partner. That early in the morning I have a tendency to be in a fog and repeat myself a lot. I’m learning to my dismay I’m getting real bad with names and some faces as I get older, even though I won’t hit 51 until April. I used to be pretty good at it. I do remember the breakfasts though. To clarify, since I mentioned people that lockered near me elsewhere, you are not the guy with the competitive daughter who groused about her a little bit. Matter of fact, your last name begins with a J, correct?
I wish you luck with the knees. I have torn ligaments in my ankle of the grade 2 variety, meaning they didn’t just stretch but tore a bit. My doctor finds it hard to believe I hurt it on the first day and still continued to play. I told him “playing” was relative for some of us.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 10, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch!!
Sorry to hear that the ankle injury was so severe. Hope that you can recover in a timely manner. Thanks again for this wonderful post on your fantasy camp experience.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.
by deadcatbounce on Feb 11, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, BeerCub
I was the guy next to you who’s name started with J. My daughter is wonderful—don’t think I would have ripped on her. This post has been excellent. I thank you again for getting it going and getting us all psyched up for another season.
by PalatineRol on Feb 11, 2009 7:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
One thing I forgot......
…. and my apologies to Bob Vorwald. There was a WGN crew there during the week to film us for a special later on. They interview many players and campers.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Feb 14, 2009 8:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What an awesome post!! Are you willing to tell us about....
…Jeff Leonard? I remember as acting sort of like the Terminator when he was on the Giants…If he crossed over the line, didn’t anyone tell him to lighten up and shut his big yapper? You know —like this guy would:

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
by cubfever7 on Feb 21, 2009 7:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs



















