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The MLB TV Blackout "Geniuses" Are At It Again

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If you thought Bud Selig, Bob DuPuy and the others who "run" (and I use the term loosely) major league baseball were about to revise the decades-old, arcane, MLB television blackout rules, think again.

The rules were developed in the 1970's when teams' broadcasts were being shipped to cities outside the clubs' home markets via cobbled-together broadcast-station "networks". Those of us who watched the Cubs in the early '70s remember Jack Brickhouse's recitation of the stations on the pre-cable, pre-satellite "WGN Continental Chicago Cubs Baseball Network", consisting of stations in (I may be leaving some out here, as I'm relying on 35-year-old memories) Rockford, Peoria, Springfield, South Bend, Grand Rapids, LaCrosse, Rhinelander, Ft. Wayne, Madison, Des Moines, Waterloo, and the Quad Cities.

Maury Brown, who has written intelligently on this topic many times, wrote again about it recently at the Biz of Baseball site:

Word is that MLB hopes to have a proposal to address the arcane blackout policy formulated by opening day. With owners grasping onto every thin dime, odds seem exceptionally long that restructuring the television territories will take place by the time the first pitch arrives on the 2009 season. MLB president and COO Bob DuPuy has said that the proposal being presented would have a club lose a portion of their television territory, if they have not broadcast within it for over a year.

The potential problem with this model deals with what are called "haircut provisions" – advertising agreements that are tied to audience size. So, in principle, even though a club may not be broadcasting in an area of their granted television territory, the total audience size is still considered within it. Removing the areas not being broadcasted to would, ostensibly, make the audience size smaller, thus impacting ad deals.

If you're not quite sure what that means, Rob at 6-4-2 nails it (and hat tip to Rob for the Maury Brown link):

Seriously? Seriously? Advertisers are really dumb enough to pay for eyeballs they aren't reaching? Maybe we should say that broadcasters are dumb enough to pay for carry provisions to eyeballs they aren't reaching, because this mainly affects regional sports networks like Fox Sports West and its brethren (NESN, YES, Comcast Sports, etc.). Such a move would probably entail reworking existing contracts, and in this environment, nobody wants to go there.

Of course, it's the teams, in addition to the broadcasters, who want these rules in place. Here's my take: it's the big-market teams, like the Cubs, Yankees and Red Sox (the latter, if you look at the map, has most of New England completely to itself, territorially), who are being held hostage by small-market clubs, and I'm going to call you out specifically, Kansas City Royals.

Look at the map above, specifically at rainbow-colored Iowa, festively five-colored for the Cubs, White Sox, Cardinals, Brewers, Twins and Royals (the Cubs and White Sox share a color in that scheme, noted as "Chicago: both teams").

The map makes you shake your head. The Brewers have fans in Iowa? The White Sox? (A few, perhaps.) The Twins, outside of a few counties in northern Iowa closest to the Minnesota border? The Royals, outside of a few counties in the southwest corner of the state? Look at the map -- the Royals claim Kansas and Nebraska, which makes some sense, although I'll bet there are far more Rockies fans in the western parts of those states than Royals fans.

Iowa has been Cubs country for at least 28 years, since the Cubs took over the Triple-A affiliation in Des Moines from the White Sox. The Cubs also had a long-time affiliation in the Quad Cities. The Royals are protecting something that no longer exists -- television broadcasts on stations in Iowa of Royals games. Most teams don't even do many over-the-air broadcasts in their home cities any more, much less in Ottumwa, Iowa. The Diamondbacks went all-cable last year and I suspect other teams are heading that way.

I don't know how many times I can say this or how loud I have to shout it: if you are willing to pay for a baseball telecast, you should be able to receive it, whether it be by satellite, digital cable or MLB.TV. Never mind your zip code, never mind "blackouts", and that includes the Fox Saturday games -- technology exists where, for example, if you wanted to watch the Cubs on Fox and they weren't being carried in your local market, you should be able to get them while still seeing the local Fox station's ads, which is the point of regionalizing the games in the first place. They are assuming that if you live in, say, Atlanta, you'd want to see the Braves. But that doesn't recognize the fact that in our mobile society, there are fans of every team moving just about everywhere, and that teams like the Cubs, who have a national following, have fans living from coast to coast.

I'd love to see the Cubs take the lead in pushing the small-marketers to give up this ancient policy, which benefits no one (not even them, as they are, as noted above, blacking out markets they don't even broadcast to), and move televised baseball into the 21st Century. Maybe the MLB Network will be of some help in carrying otherwise-blacked out games in the future. The current policy smacks of Dollar Bill Wirtz' claim that by keeping home games off TV, he was protecting his precious "season reservation holders"; in reality, he was shrinking his fanbase and not promoting his product.

In any case, it's time. Get this done.

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They just don't get it

They could possible even raise the price if they made the service to where there were no blackout. I don’t know how the economy is going to affect the number of subcribers this year, but I bet it goes down with the same blackout rules.

by LT on Feb 9, 2009 8:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The economy could very well affect the number of subscribers.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's why they lowered the price for 2009.

It’s $10 less than the 2008 price.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Feb 9, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably so.

I bet they have to lower it again.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Correctly" blacked out

I received an offer from MLB to subscribe to TV. Living 284 miles south of Wrigley Field and knowing that I’m blacked out, I sent ANOTHER letter of protest. Part of the reply from MLB shocked me:

“After researching the information provided, it has been determined that you are
correctly blacked-out from the team you’ve indicated in accordance with our
existing black-out policy.”

CORRECTLY blacked-out? MLB say that I’m CORRECLTY blacked-out?!?!?! Given the debate that is raging among out-of-town fans that want to watch their teams but can’t, the wording of that comment is simply insulting.

Ya gotta love a team with a shortstop named TheRiot ...

by StampMe on Feb 9, 2009 8:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Insanity.

Why would you want to prevent someone from buying your product? These people are idiots.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Live Around Mount Vernon, IL?

My guess is you get Fox Sports Midwest which has Cardinals game but you don’t get Comcast SportsNet Chicago, which has a lot of Cubs games. I imagine you can get all the Cardinals game you want but are limited in what you can get Cubs wise even with Extra Innings.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Feb 9, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

My family moved from the suburbs to Mt. Vernon 34 years ago. I love everything about the community except the difficulty of getting Cubs on TV (and the predominance of obnoxious Cardinal fans). At first it was fine when WGN carried almost all of the games. But since Comcast now carries about half of them it is a problem. I’ve subscribed to Extra Innings in past seasons but MLBtv would be a lot less expensive and much more convenient.

Do you live in Mt. Vernon or in the area?

Ya gotta love a team with a shortstop named TheRiot ...

by StampMe on Feb 9, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Stayed Over in Mt. Vernon

It’s roughly the halfway point between Memphis and Chicago. I’ve stayed at motels there on my way back from day games in Chicago before. I noticed I could get FSN Midwest on the cable package but not Comcast SportsNet Chicago. I know southern Illinois, like west Tennessee, is heavy Cardinals country.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Feb 9, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Memphis 500

Thanks for staying in Mt. Vernon. I have a friend in the hotel business here that says a lot of people “running the Memphis 500” from Chicago stay here.

Ya gotta love a team with a shortstop named TheRiot ...

by StampMe on Feb 9, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said.

You are right about blackouts to begin with, but the whole point is to protect the local broadcasts. So, it should be based on whether or not you get the games to begin with. For example, in Tallahassee, we are blacked out from the Marlins and Rays — it’s five hours to St. Petersburg and eight to Miami, it’s way too far to be able to go to a game, so that defeats the “if it’s on local TV, you won’t go”… I can’t go anyway.

Also, if I WERE a Rays fan (and I enjoyed watching them every now and then when they started) the games aren’t on TV here locally anyway with regularity, Sun and FS Florida divide up the games rather evenly, and with other things going on during part of the season (NBA/NHL Playoffs, college football) it’s not possible to show every game. So if I’m a Rays fan, I’m upset that not only can I not watch online or on my local TV, I have to go out.

I would understand if its on local TV, they would rather you watch your TV instead of the computer for the ads, but for me (and I’m sure many others), it’s simply not an option.

Make it happen baby: Cubs, Jaguars, FSU, Jazz, Thrashers.

by camnorris14 on Feb 9, 2009 8:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You're right about Iowa Al

there are few Royals fans and Twins fans. Not many White Sox fans either. Why the Brewers have Iowa is amazing. Cubs and Cardinals rule Iowa in fan numbers. While this is a mess I do enjoy getting Cubs-White-Sox-Cardinals-Brewers game for free in my middle Dish Network package. What’s even harder to believe is the cable company in Des Moines (Mediacom) does not broadcast Cubs games but travel east to Cedar Rapids and the same company carries the Cubs. They lost a lot of customers to satellite when this happened, including me. This is probably the biggest fiasco I have ever seen in television and broadcast rights to areas must change.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Feb 9, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I have seen a lot of complaints here about Mediacom in Des Moines.

Why a cable company in the home of the Cubs’ Triple-A franchise wouldn’t carry the parent club’s games is absolutely mystifying.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I HATE Mediacom

That’s all I wanted to say. Thank god I’m in Chicago now and don’t have to worry about these silly black out rules.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Feb 9, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As a Des Moines resident

I can say the the Mediacom execs might be the only people who are dumber then the MLB execs. They just don’t get it. It took them a year to get the Big Ten network, they don’t have the MLB network, NFL network, or Comcast Chicago. I wish I could get satillite because I would drop them in a heartbeat.

by cubfan2201 on Feb 9, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I had the same problem when I lived in DSM

But my apartment faced the wrong way and I couldn’t get a dish. So I was left with MLB.tv, which had it’s good and terrible moments.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Feb 9, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here in NW Iowa

There are lots of reasons to be bummed about being physically so far away from everything. But thanks to DirecTV I do get most games, through WGN and Comcast Sports Net Chicago. I guess I’m one of the lucky ones (or unlucky, if you ask the Mrs.). Still, the blackout rule irks me when it comes to wanting to watch games on ESPN or Fox.

by NWIowaCubFan on Feb 9, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I am a Chicago native who is in Iowa

for school. Since I was used to seeing every Cubs game I wanted while growing up in Chicago, it really sucks being blacked out. I agree with all the points that were made and cannot wait til the day this unreasonable policy is terminated.

by dlee25 on Feb 9, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

talk about where layoffs should be needed

…is all the jobs required to come up with plans such as these. Talk about jobs that are in place to create the illusion of value.

Fire these clowns that come up with this and utilize the same rationale as the NFL, a prescribed radius from the home team’s venue, period.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 8:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

They shouldn't even need to use the NFL policy.

Why black out anyone?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Because the local broadcast entities do need some protection

Now….what level protection that is needed has to be determined.

For the Cubs, BoSox, Dodgers, Angels, Yankees and Mets, this likely won’t matter since their in-park revenues are solid.

But to have a complex map like MLB has – that doesn’t make much sense – just shows there’s too much time on too many peoples’ hands.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Protection from what, exactly?

To use the Iowa example, the Royals aren’t broadcasting any games there. But the rules prevent Cub fans in Iowa from seeing their team.

What sense does that make? What is it protecting?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's where MLB fails

DesMoines is well over 100 miles away. That’s stupid. Something similar to the NFL would not have the issue. Plus….it’s simple.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The NFL wouldn't make sense.

It matters if you don’t sell out eight home games – who cares if you have seats here and there during 81 games?

Also — I don’t believe it’s a true radius anymore… for example, I know all of Arizona blacks out if the Cardinals do, it’s a radius that is somewhat dependent on how many other teams are nearby.

Make it happen baby: Cubs, Jaguars, FSU, Jazz, Thrashers.

by camnorris14 on Feb 9, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly as-is...

the NFL may not work. But tying a blackout to an attendance level – not a sellout specifically – and tying that blackout to something analogous to a distance as the crow flies from the home teams’ venue isn’t nearly as problematic as the MLB policy today.

Look, they have a product to protect regardless of whether or not we think it’s fair. But it has to be leveraged properly. And from what I see today, MLB’s is bordering on the complete stupid.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

These blackout rules are for free over the air games

If you have NFL Sunday ticket (ppv) you can watch all games. No blackouts. What a novel idea…

by LT on Feb 9, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Which you can only get if you have Direct TV

That’s just another example of a moronic set-up. I would love to have Sunday Ticket. But the NFL won’t let me have it. Somehow it makes more to them as well to not allow access to the product to the most people possible.

by chitownhawkeye on Feb 9, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DTV has a huge contract they pay to NFL for the package...but it is flawed

I have DTV and have had it black me out on the package while a Bears GB game (for example) is on local, the game becomes a blow out, and they switch the local to a different came. DTV then take 5 minutes or more to lift the black out on the package before I can watch anymore of the game.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 9, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How do we KNOW Bill Wirtz isn't alive somewhere

pulling the strings with some cabal of moronic sports robber barons who won’t give up their arcane rights for the 21st century.. ?

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Feb 9, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nah

While I believe he and his old man are burning in hell (Thanks Arthur, 6/27/72 still pisses every ‘Hawks fan off), this isn’t quite as bad. For decades a Blackhawks home game could not be seen anywhere.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But what can we do?

Seriously, is there ANY recourse available? I called MLB offices last year to complain when Comcast ran the Harry Cary tribute and the Sandberg game… they were blacked out here in Mississippi… how stupid is that? blacking out a 25 year old game?

by farr1776 on Feb 9, 2009 9:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's beyond idiocy.

Someone has to simply tell the small-market guys that they will no longer be allowed to keep the sport’s TV policy hostage to a decades-old policy. Period.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So does this mean

you can’t pull in your team’s games from say, 300 miles away even via satellite (e.g. direcTV, dish network etc)?

I ask because I’m local to Chicagoland and have cable…

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 9:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It depends on where you are within that radius.

That’s what’s idiotic. Some can, some can’t.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So it stands to reason

a system that functions like the NFL (though specific criteria shall be different) would suffice.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm arguing for no blackouts at all.

There’s no rational argument for them.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK...fine but there may be some give and take here

So what would you propose on a give and take? You can’t just say, “no blackouts, period”.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My proposal is as stated above.

If you’re willing to pay to see a game on TV, you should be able to.

You haven’t given a rationale for a MLB blackout.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said I provided a rationale for "MLB blackout"

I stated it should mimic something like the NFL. Tie it to attendance, provide a radius from the home team’s venue.

Attendance limits can vary team to team. Customers can purchase an all-inclusive package. Packages can be tiered. Radii can be variable from team to team, especially important comparing mid-west to the north-east.

You just can’t say, “no blackout” when you know they have a business case to prove otherwise.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NFL blackouts are for "free" broadcasts

If you pay, you get all the games… No blackouts.

by LT on Feb 9, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Which is exactly what MLB's policy should be.

I know they CLAIM to have a “business case”, but it makes no sense.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You've said this twice now...

and it’s simply not true. Out here in the Bay Area (where Raiders blackouts are commonplace) if you want to watch the Raiders home game on Sunday Ticket during a blackout week, you have to get creative. Because Sunday Ticket is blacked out locally as well: http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=900046

I agree it shouldn’t be that way, but it is.

by bison on Feb 9, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, this is true

But that is a local game even though you are trying to watch it on the Sunday TIcket. It would apply to local blackout rules. The point I was trying to make was that comparing the NFL local games to MLB Extra Innings was apples and oranges. Football does allow you to buy all out of market games.

by LT on Feb 9, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

true...

as MLB should, if they had half a collective brain.

by bison on Feb 10, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not about attendance

and it shouldn’t be tied to attendance. Baseball long ago gave up the idea that if you’re watching the game at home for free then you aren’t going to the ballpark. The NFL hasn’t given that up yet.

Beyond that. the NFL has one entity, the NFL, negotiating all of the TV rights for all regular and post-season games. MLB has 30 competing entities negotiating thirty contracts. MLB has to negotiate. The NFL just decides and no one cares, because the money is all shared evenly.

When it comes to the pre-season, who’s contracts are negotiated by the individual teams, the NFL is just as screwed up as MLB.

by Josh77 on Feb 9, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who says MLB has to negotiate?

A handful of irate people on a blog?

You have to provide a compelling reason for them to negotiate, thus far I haven’t seen any compelling reasons. Saying, “there shouldn’t be any blackouts” isn’t a compelling reason.

You have to convince them, not whine about it. Cancel the subscription. Cancel hundreds of thousands of subscriptions. Whining about it right around renewal time won’t do diddly.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

MLB doesn't own the rights

to local TV broadcasts. Do you understand that? The Cubs own the rights to the Cubs broadcasts, the Brewers own the rights to the Brewers broadcasts and the Cardinals own the rights to the Cardinal broadcasts. The NFL owns all regular season broadcast rights, not the individual teams. Therefore, they don’t have to negotiate between their competing franchises.

The teams are franchises who have been awarded a territory. Just as you’re not allowed to open a Subway Restaurant right next door to another Subway, the owners of the Cincinnati Reds can’t broadcast their local games in Chicago. So they have to negotiate.

Bud Selig can’t order this done, because he doesn’t own MLB. MLB is owned by the 30 owners, and he reports to them. He’d have to get a majority of the vote of the owners to get anything like this changed.

You’re calling for a boycott, which is a completely different topic. Great. That might work. Except it’s damn difficult to organize and then you’d have owners like the Steinbrenners saying “Great! Now everyone in NY, instead of watching Cubs games on Extra Innings, are going to have to watch Yankee games instead. Where do I go to send money to the organizers of the boycott?” Big market teams don’t like Extra Innings at all, because it cuts into their audience and the money is split evenly between the 30 teams. Some owners would kill out-of-town games outright.

The only boycott that would work would be advertisers, who would, as Al said, stop paying for audience share that they don’t reach. Except that they already know they don’t reach those audiences and take that into account, I’m sure.

I’m sorry the world doesn’t seem to have the simple explanations that you seem to propose.

by Josh77 on Feb 9, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Then explain why

this MLB-entity can blackout at basically anywhere they want.

And I understand about franchises; its ironic you mentioned Subway.

Also, I’m not calling for a boycott. This doesn’t affect me in the least. If I’m not at Wrigley, I’m watching somewhere or most likely listening to Pat and Ron.

I’m talking about MLB doing something similar to the NFL. Only blackout of a local game is in a home town region. “Region” needs to be defined. NFL Sunday Ticket will allow any and all games except for a “home” game which is subject to local blackout rules. Therefore the “Cubs fans in Iowa” would not be adversely affected by a blackout rule, should it be done in a manner similar to the NFL. The parameters of a blackout rule for MLB have to be assembled.

A buddy of mine has NFL Sunday Ticket. To his wife’s shagrin, he can pull in any of the games broadcast during the day. My father in law, who’s closest geographic NFL city is the Chiefs, can pull in any game on his NFL Sunday Ticket. My Cousin who lives in PHX metro can pull in any NFL game on his Sunday Ticket with the exception of the Cardinals blackouts, which he informed me were invoked a few times the last several seasons.

Sorry you can’t accept simple, because the NFL – the country’s most popular league by a mile – has a simple process here. They rake in more money than you can shake a stick at and their popularity has never been higher.

People seem to have to think complex. It’s not complex, it doesn’t have to be complex. It can be simple. But it is a business, so whining, “no blackouts” likely won’t get anyone anywhere.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 10, 2009 6:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why can they do it?

Because they have a 35-year-old agreement that they refuse to change. It benefits no one.

Why would you want to black out games locally? That would prevent fans in home cities from seeing games.

Again, you don’t seem to understand that the NFL controls the entire TV contract for all its games. MLB doesn’t have such control. But they can, if they choose, pass a uniform policy to allow all games to be seen everywhere.

I’m not sure why this is such a difficult concept.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 10, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you're slick...

you can lie about your Zip Code and fool the system into thinking you live elsewhere. Like that little bit of southern Florida that appears to have no blackouts.

(This is not me suggesting you do this. This is just me informing you that it has been done before.)

Hey, I wrote a song about people who over-value their opinions. It's called "Get Over Yourself." You should go listen to it.

by znohitter on Feb 9, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I live in So Cal

Id like to see the Cubs as well as the local teams – dodgers and angels – and Im thinking about going the mlb.com route this year. Of course that means that they will black me out on the local teams. But what if I had a friend/relative that live in lets say New York to signup and I used his login info (tied to his address). Then I’d be blacked out for mets and yankees games ( who cares, except when the cubs play the mets), but do they track the login by IP (which would give relative location) or the physical address on the account? Does anyone know?

by tedinSoCal on Feb 9, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's by IP address.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was told by MLB Customer Service

That they use both billing address on your credit card and IP address. So even if you find someone outside the blackout to sign up you still need to mask your IP.

by cubfan2201 on Feb 9, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mask an IP?

Is that possible? Do you know how?

by tedinSoCal on Feb 10, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's one...

http://www.hotspotshield.com/

there are many, many others…

I’ve had mlb.tv since it started. The billing address has never been an issue with what I watch, only the IP address. In spite of what they might have told you.

by bison on Feb 10, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is one of those topics that just always boils my blood.

MLB.TV has kept me in the loop for Cub games but even then you still have the Saturday afternoon Fox blackout monopoly rules. I just never understood why limiting the number of customers/viewers can be considered a sound business move. This just makes me want to punch Bud Selig in the ear.

Ron Santo should sing TMOTTBG everyday. Period.

by Schwa on Feb 9, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

punch him

18 million times

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 9, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Artificial shortage

like the Nintendo wii.

Even in Alaska we get blackouts, and we sure can’t drive to the games.

"I lof to hit de home ron!"

by Tekboy on Feb 9, 2009 9:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If you use DirecTv or DishNetwork

there is a work around. it works fine for me, since I am a single guy who watches little to nothing on local channels. You can use a friends or family members address in Chicagoland as your “home” and keep your actual home address as the “mailing bill to” By doing this, you will not be blacked out on Comcast, but you still will not get WCIU or Fox games (unless you have local Fox via rabbit ears or but the cheapest cable package which for me is like $10 a mo. and local Fox picks up the game). This is cheaper than the MLB package, and I get more games, since I am not blacked out on Comcast

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 9, 2009 9:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

interesting...

may take a look at this idea

by farr1776 on Feb 9, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

been working for me for four years running.

I only switch during Bears season, then back for Hawks/Cubs

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 9, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If it ain't broke,

don’t fix it. I’m sure that is MLB’s take on it. They see increasing revenue every year, why would they consider tinkering with something that is “working?” You’d think somewhere there would be a guy who would see the value in allowing any person anywhere access to your product. Now I’ve gone and started my week all frustrated.

by Tim M on Feb 9, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Because they could make even MORE money if they lifted the blackouts.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you know that as fact?

Or is that simply an opinion? You can’t use the Cubs’ history as your sole argument.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs can't be the only team whose fans are affected by these blackouts.

I happen to know that A’s fans who live in Sacramento (which is part of their area!) are also affected.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Living in Sacramento, I have fewer A’s games available to me than any other team. I’m blacked out on Extra Innings for all Giants and A’s game. But all Giants games are available locally on Comcast Sports Net Bay Area or over the air on the WB affiliate. But the Athletics have only about 80 games available on CSNBA. The rest are on an over-the-air station in the Bay Area and the local WB station only picks up about ten of those games a year.

This is why Sacramento, despite being closer to Oakland and having the AAA franchise of the Athletics in town, is a Giants town by probably a 3 to 1 margin.

by Josh77 on Feb 9, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another rant

Which brings me to why the heck doesn’t Comcast Sports Net California (the local sportsnet that broadcasts the Kings), which doesn’t have any freaking programming over the summer other than about four Monarchs games, pick up the other Athletics games? Why don’t the A’s and Comcast get this done? Even if Oakland has to give the rights away for free, they’re losing the #20 media market in the country to the Giants, perhaps for a very long time, if they don’t do something.

by Josh77 on Feb 9, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Especially when you consider...

… that the A’s have actually considered moving to Sacramento at times (before they decided to build their new park in Fremont).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Which may be falling apart

Although there is pretty much no chance that the Sacramento area would build the A’s a new ballpark right now and the economy is worse up here than in the Bay Area, so that would make the same financing plan that Wolff has out in Fremont impossible in Sacramento.

But I can promise you that if the Athletics move to Sacramento, Sactown will become an A’s town.

by Josh77 on Feb 9, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fremont will be dead by the end of the year...

The first site has issues, the alternate site they’re floating the trial balloons on now has even bigger ones. Bud has cracked open the door to San Jose (which has both a downtown, transit and freeway-friendly site and a completed EIR virtually done.)

Once the dance with Fremont ends, San Jose will get done. The Giants “territorial rights” issue will be settled behind closed doors.

http://newballpark.blogspot.com/ has everything A’s ballpark related.

by bison on Feb 10, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

San Jose makes the most sense.

For the Giants to have held that territory hostage since Phone Holding Co. Park opened in 2000 is unconscionable.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 10, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know, it's sort of why I'm asking

The only answer I have to this is stop subscribing.

If they see a huge drop in subscriptions with the primary reason being the blackouts, then they’ll be more inclined to change.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 9, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But people won't do that, because...

… then they get NO baseball at all.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Except why would I do that?

The people in Iowa are getting screwed and the people in Las Vegas and Indianapolis are getting screwed, but other than not getting a bunch of Athletics games (which I don’t really care about that much), the system works great for me. I get every Cubs game except that occasional Saturday afternoon one.

The people for whom this system is nuts are just don’t have enough market share.

by Josh77 on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can verify Indianapolis gets screwed

but there is hope for those in the Hoosier State by way of AT&T U-Verse. Comcast Sports Chicago is carried on the 200 level, which brings more Cubs games to Indy – almost all of them, once WGN, FOX and ESPN games get put in there.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Feb 10, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very Much Agree

More available games without blackouts should lead to an increase in number of subscriptions. The Extra Innings package would be more attractive. I feel for those in Iowa and southern Nevada. They are really getting ripped.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Feb 9, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball package

I subscribe to the baseball ticket on TimeWarner in SC. For an extra $20 a month well worth it. I see anyand everything that is being broadcast everyday. It is the only wat to follow the Cubs in SC. Problem is NOTHING during the day on Saturday. Fox’s exclusive blackout does not allow us to see anyting except what the Fox channel is broadcasting. Cable companies down here really don’t care….very frustrating to watch your choice of baseball on a saturday afternoon!

by cubprofessor on Feb 9, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it's time to take a census of Iowa baseball fans

and get some definitive fan loyalty numbers. All I know is what my nephew @ Iowa State tells me – LOTS of Cubs fans with an occasional Cardinals tee sighted.

by JFCubFan on Feb 9, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've lived in Iowa all my life

and I can tell you we are 90% Cardinals and Cubs fans with a few Twins fans sprinkled in. I don’t think I have ever run into a Royals or Brewers fan.

by cubfan2201 on Feb 9, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct

I’m a SW Iowa native, and there are a few Royals fans there (very few). It’s Cubs and Cards.

Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!

by Ihatethecards on Feb 9, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

MLB blackouts

MLB’s blackout policy is nothing short of draconian. I live in Nashville, TN and I cannot see Cubs vs. Reds games unless WGN carries the game. This is because the Reds black out middle Tennessee – no TV stations choose to televise the Reds so Cincinnati chooses to black out the region. This makes absolutely no sense; few people in Tennessee care about some team up in Ohio. The most popular team here is the Braves, who are from a state that actually touches Tennessee. Most of the serious baseball fans I know here HATE the Reds because of the blackout!

MLB Extra Innings subscribers should get ALL of the games and the teams should share in the revenues.

by eamus-catuli on Feb 9, 2009 11:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

louisville, ky

I lived in Louisville, KY for 2 years. Drove me nuts I couldn’t get the Reds v Cubs on TV (and yes Louisville has the AAA team for the Reds), could get the Reds on radio but one of the local sports channels broadcast the damn Yankees. Absolutely no sense what so ever.

by KyCubsFan on Feb 9, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

eamus, do you get Dish?

I have it and each and every time that the Reds play the Cubs in Cincy, it usually gets carried (but not always) on one of the Dish channels that carries the Reds feed. I live in Cleveland, TN .. just about two hours south of you.

The same thing occurs when the Braves play the Cubs .. of course, that’s if you want to call the non-Cub audience at a Braves game actual “fans” who give a hoot about the team after the All Star break even when they’re 10 games back.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Feb 9, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet he has comcast like me

What happens is FSN carries the Braves on Wednesdays only and then 1 or 2 Reds games per week. We are in the Braves and Reds area but get very few of their games now. Directv and Dish you don’t have this problem because they carry FSN South and FSN Ohio. If I didn’t have my phone and internet with Comcast I would have already switched….

by LT on Feb 10, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Post Should be Titled: How To Piss Off An Iowan

Subtitled: How to Boost BCB’s Iowa Readership

Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.

by IowaCubs- on Feb 9, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Indianapolis

Indianapolis is also in the stupidly blacked out territory. We get screwed out of seeing games on ESPN several times of year. You can get the games on satellite or AT&T Uverse but none of the calbe companies carry CSN. I’d happily pay alot of money if I could see Cubs game on cable.

by jeff_pico on Feb 9, 2009 11:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I told myself I wasn't going to post again until pitchers & catchers report...

…so that I would stop obsessing over trades and rumors and what-not and actually get to work on time…

…I was wrong. So here are a few letters.

Dear Bud:

Welcome to 2009. Sticking with a blackout system devised in the ’70’s is kind of like trying to use a CB radio to pick up chicks. REALLY, REALLY DUMB. Also, it makes you — personally — look like even more of a dork than the whole “WS home field advantage for the winner of the All-Star Game” thing. I live in Des Moines, and on any given day, there are up to six games I can’t watch because someone, somewhere, thinks they might lose revenue if I did watch them.

Here’s a clue: people not watching the games leads to more lost revenue than people watching the games. If there’s not a Cubs game on, I’ll watch the Cards play, or the Twins. Or the Sux, if they’re losing or it’s the post-game press conference (Ozzie is great entertainment when he gets fired up). With the economy the way it is, and the whole steroids thing once again turning people in my ge-ge-generation (within view of 30) away from the sport, you might want to reconsider. Or maybe not. If you want everybody to just watch football and Nascar, that’s your call.

Also, as much as you love the Brewers, there are only two fans of that franchise in Des Moines. I laugh at them every time I drive by their house (mostly because of the sad, lonely Brewers flag hanging on a block with three Cubs flags in view). And no one in DSM roots for the Royals (because they suck, not because of any grudge against KC). I just thought you should know.

Gerald
——
Dear Mediacom:

PLEASE STOP BEING HATERS. You carry Comcast as part of the basic package in the Cedar River valley. What makes you think Des Moines has more ties to St. Louis than Chicago? Does anyone at your control center here in town actually watch baseball? Does anyone at your control center actually have a brain? Given everyone I’ve dealt with from your company, I doubt it. So let me spell it out:

DES MOINES HAS MORE CUBS FANS THAN CEDAR RAPIDS. Also, we have some team that has something to do with the Cubs, I think. Or it’s just spelled the same. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen them play ON A FEED FROM YOUR SYSTEM. Kindly remove your collective head from your collective arse and get with the program, before I have to grab one of my bass guitars, drive down to your offices on Ingersoll, and go all Pete Townshend on you.

Also, fix your DNS servers.

Gerald

K… I’ll be back in a few days. Yay… baseball is almost here… (but not on Mediacom…) yay!

Hey, I wrote a song about people who over-value their opinions. It's called "Get Over Yourself." You should go listen to it.

by znohitter on Feb 9, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I didn't realize that it was so bad in Des Moines

I live in Cedar Rapids…and we are fortunate enough to get both WGN and Comcast (and Mediacom will often show the few games that on Comcast Plus). How hard could it be for Des Moines to add Comcast to there region in order to pick up the other half of Cubs Games.

The whole region is Cubs/Cardinals…no Brewers, no Royals…and a few Sox

by brandonb543 on Feb 9, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The real problem with Mediacom is that they have no competition here.

If somebody else greased the right palms and brought another cable option to the area, Mediacom would straighten this out real fast. But since your only other option is to get satellite, they don’t care.

Hey, I wrote a song about people who over-value their opinions. It's called "Get Over Yourself." You should go listen to it.

by znohitter on Feb 9, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

re: bud

there are up to six games I can’t watch because someone, somewhere, thinks they might lose revenue if I did watch them.

This is the only point which will get movement on this topic. Once the advertisers are made to realize that they are being kept from so many people they will force MLB into changing the rules. If the advertisers are made to realize how they are getting cheated on what they are paying maybe they will cancel their subscriptions which would really make a point. If Budweiser threatened to pull out of a local broadcasting right it would probably carry more weight than 100,000 fans canceling a subscription.

by KyCubsFan on Feb 9, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They do have

competition with DirecTV and Dish Network. If it’s at all feasible I’d switch to either one of those. I live in Iowa Falls and Mediacom here carries the Cubs games. We have DirecTV though.

by sue369 on Feb 9, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Iowa

There are some Brewers fans in the Dubuque area and John Sickels is a great example of a Twins fan from Northern Iowa. I imagine there are probably still Royals fans in the area around Omaha.

But for most of the state, including the big population centers of Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, Waterloo and Davenport, it’s all Cubs and/or Cardinals.

by Josh77 on Feb 9, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

I would expect Royals fans in the part of Iowa near Omaha, since their AAA team is there. Otherwise, nope.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True enough about Dubuque

On one of my Cubs trips to Miller Park, we parked our car next to a carful of Brewers fans from Dubuque. It seems like Dubuque would be a long way from Milwaukee, but it really isn’t (2.5-3 hours, maybe).

by Not Bruce Froemming on Feb 9, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For what it is worth

NFL is no better with this sometimes. Exampe, Austin, TX where I live is considered to be Tennessee Titans not Houston for the AFC. Now I am not a fan of either, but it is right on target with MLB.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 9, 2009 12:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

do what?

I thought the NFL had a 75 mile blackout rule and only for home games? How would Tennesee have any effect on the Austin, Tx market?

by jeff_pico on Feb 9, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, the Titans used to be the Houston Oilers before they moved to Tennessee...

…so there’s probably some fine print in some NFL document somewhere that gave Titans access to all their fans they deserted left behind.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Feb 9, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Which is silly now that there's another team in Houston.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

Yeah I didn’t know this…seems like the NFL is trapped in a nice little time warp lol…don’t tell Selig though he might blackout the Brewers in Seattle and blackout the Orioles in Missourri.

by jeff_pico on Feb 9, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and Vince Young

played here at UT, so those two teams fight over who controls Austin. I wish I were joking, but i have seen many times Houston on the ticket and the Titans on local broadcast.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 9, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Be Careful With Use of UT

People in the Volunteer State consider UT to be the University of Tennessee. Young plays for the Titans now. I have never been a fan of the Big Orange

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Feb 9, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

UT fans

are delusional.
Do you know why UT wears that color orange?
no why…

so they can go hunting in the morning, the game in the afternoon and jail at night without changing clothes.

by KyCubsFan on Feb 9, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

UT

being Univ of Tennessee

by KyCubsFan on Feb 9, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

UT fans have had enough about their team of possum

they keep playing dead at home and get killed on the road

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Feb 9, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Being A Fan of Memphis

This is one of my favorite T-shirts.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Feb 10, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They are almost as delusional

as Kentucky basketball fans….

by LT on Feb 10, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lived in iowa for 20 years...

hardly any, and i mean ANY sox/brewers fans up here along the border where I’m from. To be honest, Twins fans outnumber Cubs fans in this area, which is to be expected, but there is NOTHING more frustrating than tuning into the Fox game of the week to watch the Mets. I’ve already conceded the fact that WGN is slowly fading into oblivion and for now I have to go 10 miles to my sisters to watch any games on Comcast, but then when i think about getting mlb.tv and am also told those Cubs games are blacked out as well…not a happy camper

by kodypuckett23 on Feb 9, 2009 1:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I live in Des Moines right now....

last year I had Dish, and I was able to get all the games on CSN, as well as Brewers games that were on FSN. I switched to Mediacom this year because my brother is an installer for them, so I get a pretty hefty discount. However, that doesn’t mean that Mediacom is a company full of morons, especially here in central Iowa.

It makes NO sense for Mediacom to not have CSN. Des Moines is, and always has been a Cubs town. Why the people at Mediacom don’t think people would want CSN – or are not aware that people want CSN – is beyond me. It’s as if they don’t know the demographics of their own market. But hey, if you want two channels of public access (3 if you count the connections channel) then Mediacom is perfect.

by TarHeelHawk on Feb 9, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

not sure which makes less sense there, the balckout or not tevelising games during the week

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 9, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is the point that should explain all of this

If a fan wants to watch a team, and is willing to pay to do so, they should be able. Not because it’s the right thing to do (which it is), not because it helps the league as a whole to have more people watching games (which it does), but because fans BUY THINGS. If you let us watch the games, we will buy hats. We will buy bobble heads. We will buy jerseys. And that is revenue.
Cash makes the system work. So fix it, and get to the payout.

by chitownhawkeye on Feb 9, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Um, I'm pretty sure

that there are NO Ranger fans in Louisiana

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Feb 9, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

do they take into consideration

the monor league affiliates of the teams in this by chance? that would make a little more sense, say the Rangers have a AAA team in Louisiana, and the fans there can watch a kid grow thru the system and then play in MLB.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 9, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Rangers AAA team is in Oklahoma City

the only AAA team in Louisiana is in New Orleans, and its affiliated with Florida.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Feb 10, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they used to be Houston

before Round Rock was moved from AA to AAA and Houston got an AA in Corpus.

I was not sure if there was another team (any minor legue level) and didn’t have the time to search at that moment.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 10, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But hey! If you live in the Florida Everglades, your in luck!

no teams blocked out there

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good news for the alligators and snakes that live there.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 9, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fort Myers/Naples/Cape Coral

is starting to look a whole lot better.

Make it happen baby: Cubs, Jaguars, FSU, Jazz, Thrashers.

by camnorris14 on Feb 9, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I live in New York so I don't care

I have no blackout issues at all ( just high prices for everything else)

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Feb 9, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Also ridiculous...

Just looking through the map for the most absurd areas —-

Vegas and Iowa are up there, as well as Salt Lake City with two teams, one of which a 12 hour drive.

My favorite is SW Alabama not getting the Braves (makes sense-ish, mostly Braves fans throughout the SE) but also not getting the Rays or Marlins. Like there are tons of Marlins fans in Dothan.

Make it happen baby: Cubs, Jaguars, FSU, Jazz, Thrashers.

by camnorris14 on Feb 9, 2009 6:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

In Dothan

they probably think Mickey Mantle is still playing..

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Feb 9, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn’t think of a town in SW Alabama. Dothan thinks they’re great just because they have a business spur road. Screw you Highway 231.

Make it happen baby: Cubs, Jaguars, FSU, Jazz, Thrashers.

by camnorris14 on Feb 9, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mobile is in SW Alabama

Nine hours from St. Pete. 12 hours from Miami. Cubs games in both cities are blacked out. I heard that the same blackout rules apply even farther west in SW Mississippi!

by 3fingerbrown on Feb 9, 2009 8:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

There is no incentive, apparently, for the Owners of a bunch of different teams...

..to re-work the blackout stuff. Unless they get compensated for it or are convinced they can make more under another structure I don’t see it ever changing. Similar to the BCS, it or something equivalent 9not a playoff) will be around as long as they get paid more under that structure. If there is no monetary incentive to change then there won’t be any change as no single person can come in and change this for MLB—not even Obama.

by DudeVf11 on Feb 9, 2009 8:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The economy could change it

I could see smaller subscription numbers this year meaning a smaller slice for each team. That could cause some of them to start thinking, but then again they don’t show signs of having brains.

by LT on Feb 9, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Arkansas and Houston????

This map makes no sense. In Arkansas, we are associated with Texas, 4 hours from the house, St. Louis, 6 hours from the house, and Houston, 9 hours from the House? KC is 4 hours away and not even mentioned. My local cable company has a channel dedicated to Cardinal baseball. We don’t even have to watch the MLB package for Cardinal games – they show them on basic cable. I am just glad that the Cubs are considered an “out of market” team and I get them just about every game. I do feel sorry for my neighbor who use to live in Houston and can’t watch the minor league team that plays in a sandlot. Poor guy.

A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on Feb 9, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

NW Arkansas

Has having a Royals AA affiliate, the Naturals, in Springdale, increased the number of Royals fans in northwest Arkansas? I don’t think the Travs being an Angels affiliate has significantly increased the number of Halos fans in central Arkansas. They are still very much Cardinals fans there. A lot of that is because the Travs were affiliated with St. Louis for over 30 years.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Feb 10, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No One Gets

Toronto?

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 9, 2009 11:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Blue Jays aren't included in this.

They’re considered “national” in Canada. If you’re a Jays fan and you’re in the USA, I’m pretty sure you’re not blacked out anywhere.

Completely unfair, if you ask me.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 10, 2009 4:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jays Blackouts

Shouldn’t they be blacked out in western New York? (Joking) It’s a disgrace that Jays fans in Buffalo get to watch their team’s games on Extra Innings. That’s so un-American.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Feb 10, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Simple Solution

Instead of blacking out the games for the local markets, why not just air the entire broadcast with the commercials that you would see if watching over the air?

The companies that buy the spots would definitely not complain about the added viewers. Mlb.tv would benefit from the additional subscriptions.

Why is this wrong?

by roscoevillage on Feb 9, 2009 11:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's not.

That’s exactly what I have been proposing for a long time. The technology exists to do this.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 10, 2009 4:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This map is insane

and it reminds me of this utterly bizarre test my eye doctor preformed on me to see if my color vision was deteriorating. So on top of having an insane policy of who should be able to consume their product, MLB is now giving me flashbacks. Way to go, MLB.

I'm not a diaper, so don't try to change me.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Feb 10, 2009 2:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

tv broadcasts

Al….
 I’ve said this before and I will say it again. I have been a baseball fan since the mid 50’s. And I will never pay MLB for any tv broadcasts. I’m lucky enough to live in an Oregon town that doesn’t involve any mlb towns near enough to worry about, so WGN broadcasts are all shown here. I know that the world is changing and money for salaries has to come from somewhere, but not from my pocket. Sorry.
 Ed

by Fanzone on Feb 10, 2009 8:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

And that's your choice.

All I’m saying is that if you ARE willing to pay, you shouldn’t be blacked out, anywhere, any time.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 10, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

… if you live in Oregon and get WGN, you must be paying for cable/satellite, so in a way, you are paying for baseball television.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 10, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or

in any other city with a dish, and paying for Comcast Sports Chicago. It is not uncommon to see a program, then the next is blacked out (including pregame and postgame shows).

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 10, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I’ve never had WGN blacked out either. Just CSN Chicago here in Nashville.

by LT on Feb 10, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't invest

much time trying to figure out the stuff up top in hopes that someone could answer my question for me.

How does the new blackout affect me in Montana? Will I still be able to catch games on WGN?

by nick_reny on Feb 10, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's not a "new" blackout, and...

… you should still get games on WGN, as well as others if you subscribe to Extra Innings.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 11, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

ok thanks Al

by nick_reny on Feb 15, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I got a question

hopefully ppl r still reading this Im a little confused I live in central Iowa and I get WGN Comcast Chicago and I got Extra Innings thru Direct TV. last year a few games on espn I didnt get when the Cubs were on and a few times they werent on any channel extra innings or comcast and somehow i found the game in a alt channel. Will I still lose some games or since i got Comcast WGN and Extra Innings should i be ok I live about 40 miles north of Des Moines in Boone

by Eric16 on Feb 12, 2009 12:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You should have everything the same as you did last year.

Not sure why you didn’t get the ESPN games.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 12, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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