How 'bout bringing on Manny
by LittleRhodyJack on Feb 9, 2009 4:24 PM CST
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PrintI'm a big Red Sox fan,but the Cubs are my favorite National.You will not get flac from me.....My wonder is there any activity on concerns for Ramirez....You guys could certainly use the bat.I think Manny has learned a lesson.He wants 600 HR'S and beyond.That will take him 2 years or more to accomplish.....I think he realizes he has only a few years left.....I'd love to see the Cubs win it (WS).....God Bless the Cubs!!
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We already have a really expensive RH LF'er with power and shaky defense so...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 9, 2009 4:30 PM CST reply actions
And just where is he going to play?
The roster is full. Manny’s best place would be San Francisco.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I think the perfect team for Manny is the Blue Jays.
To bad they’re broke.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Feb 9, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
IS the NL installing the DH?
oh wait a minute we have a DH also in the OF
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Ah, but we still have to PAY them, whether they produce or not.
If you could (poof) make their contracts disappear, then we could have a serious discussion.
Alas, we all live in the real financial world, not the fantasy land of wall street, banks and mortgage brokers.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Feb 9, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
+1
The Cubs don’t have the $25 million+ to sign Manny for the 2009 season.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
I’m sorry if I’ve demonstrated bad vibes here…..Just a suggestion….I won’t respond again to the issue…..thanks
Nope, no bad vibes (or curses) here.
In fact, we actually saw the sun over the weekend!!! Things are looking up in Chicago!
Baseball season is on the horizon and the hot stove is coming to a close.
Let’s play ball!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Feb 9, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, at least you didn't mention Jake Peavy....
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 9, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Last year I posted once,mentioning the same……If it cost 40,50 mil.,who cares.Ijust love to see you guy’s win it……I waited,seems like Eons,to see the RS win it…….I cried like a baby…..I ‘ve seen Williams,Piersall,Jenson,Malzone….Iwent to the seventh game in ’67…………..I’ve suffered……and I suffered watching your Cubs 2008…….you guys can use him.He’d bring home the bacon
Well, thanks for that...
Realistically though, he doesn’t really fit where the club is trying to move the team. And frankly, I personally think he’d do well to head back to the AL. If he could DH at least half the time, he’d probably stay productive for at least another three years.
by Damen Jackson on Feb 9, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, AL would be best.....
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
He's a tremendous hitter and I believe
many fans of the Cubs would have begged for him if Soriano wasn’t making a mint in LF.
The acquisition of Bradley was a budget driven add. They were looking for max production at bargain cost and he fit the bill.
Manny will help whatever team he signs with provided they get the guy that played for the Dodgers last year. The guy that suited up for the Red Sox wasn’t as great.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 9, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
SWL - many thanks...
…for going after the italics instead of the consecutive periods…
[shudder]
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You mean all the ellipses? I like those...they should be more...you know...respect.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 10, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
He did help to bring in two….Do you remember Richie Allen (changed to Dick Allen,had a change of heart,played with the White Sox)….He started with the Phillies.Had a real head problem.Should’ve been a HOF’er,but had a bad attitude………….Manny can help you guys
Won't happen
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
well, if he's so good (and has learned his lesson), why don't you guys re-sign him?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
If the Cubs did sign him
either we would have the most unhappy OF in MLB with either Soriano, Bradley or Manny on the bench each game (but what a bat off the bench), or the worst defensive OF with the three of them starting together.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
You know the Sox circumstance.You’re familiar with his history..He could NEVER go back to the Sox,but he has something to offer………..I believe he will have a monster year,somewhere
So this is the secret.
Don’t you see people – if we would just italicize all of our posts, WE WOULD BREAK THE CURSE. My God, it was right there in front of our face the whole time.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
wow daver, that's an interesting slant on things...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Let me EMPHASIZE that it's just a theory.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
makes me all...
ellipsisical
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
You keep ignoring the fact that we don't have room for him...
We’re financially invested in three OF already, and we’re paying a fourth OF $3+ million to fill in when necessary and/or platoon with Fukudome. There isn’t a spot on the field for both Soriano and Ramirez, so why even discuss it?
If we didn’t have Soriano, I’d love to have Manny’s bat for a year or two. I’d rather have Manny than Soriano in terms of production. But we have Soriano, and he’s not going anywhere, so there’s really no place to put Manny. It’s simply not a possibility.
+1
is just as recockulous to talk about this as it would be to say “lets sign Manny and Dunn, and trade away Reed for Peavy straight up”
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 9, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lmao. that was priceless.
the signings, the trade, and “recockulous”. haha.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...
..You guys could certainly use the bat.
I’m unclear as to this. We were the #2 offense in baseball in RS, #1 in run differential, and top #3 in nearly every offensive statistical category. Our team has changed, surely, and we always have needed a LH hitter (and every team could “need” a first ballot HOFer) but I am unclear as to what evidence there is that we “need” this player.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
We're just having some fun with you.
We appreciate the well wishes and wish your Red Sox the same. Manny is certainly a great hitter, but he’s really not a good fit for the Cubs at the moment.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
Can anyone imagine
the relationship between the bleacher bums and Manny if he came here? Just that in itself would be fun to watch. They would both love each other. Manny would have so much fun that I dont think he would think twice about playing hard for those fans. But we dont have any room on the roster. The only thing we could realistically do is move Soriano to CF or 2B, which i dont want to see. And i definatly dont want Soriano traded.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...
he used to piss inside the Green Monster
I dont want him taking a piss on the Ivy on WGN live
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
im talking about the fans.
plus, i hear urine has some fertilizing capabilities.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...
LittleRhodyJack = employee of Boras???
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
LittleRhodyJack = obviously playing MLB09 on PS2 too much lately
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Feb 9, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, if you look at his profile...
…he appears to be a recent retiree who probably hasn’t spent a ton of time on blogs like this. That’s why I felt a little bad about being so snarky with him.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
Now we all KNOW this will NEVER happen
But just for the sake of winter convo, i would love it, IF we could shed Soriano’s contract. Although I am totally sure it was all talk and no substance, but when there were whispers about the club trading soriano for michael young when he was demanding a trade, I was all for it and our team would honestly be amazing if we had him at short and manny in the outfield. Oh well, we will have to do with Soriano destroying terrible pitchers fastballs and striking out on the rest.
MANNY BEING MANNY........
But not at Wrigley and not wearing Cubbie Blue either …..And who who pay his over inflated salary…..Manny might head north to the Giants and try to take over where Bonds left off…..No thanks…..
NFW
1. Already 5 OF’ers
2. Attitude
3. No DH
4. Attitude
5. Current LF’er will cry
6. Attitude
7. Lou will lose it
8. Attitude
9. Wrigley will be a zoo
10. Attitude
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
Well...
… let me refute those points, sort of:
1. That could be fixed. I’m guessing Manny’s a bit better than Joey Gathright.
2. Didn’t stop him from winning in Cleveland
3. Manny can still play LF. Sort of.
4. Didn’t stop him from winning in Boston
5. Do we care?
6. Didn’t stop him from winning in Los Angeles
7. Lou would probably laugh at Manny’s antics
8. Didn’t stop him from winning in Cleveland, Boston or Los Angeles
9. So?
10. So?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
OK...
Can he play CF? Because that’s only where to go with him knowing LF and RF are taken. Of course, that figures into #5 if he can’t play CF.
He won precisely nothing in Cleveland and LA. And in Boston, I forgot there were no other players on that team. Yeah he helped but he wasn’t the cog in the middle, Ortiz was.
Don’t bet Lou would laugh. Yeah, that’s what you’d see on the Ch-7 news at 5 with Mark Giangreco. Behind the scene, I’d put an even-odds bet Lou would want to take a tire iron to his antics.
You and I both know you’d be in the [rather large] group of folks all over him if he turned Wrigley into his own sounding board. If you were PO’d at Sammy and his boom box, you’d be really PO’d at Manny being Manny.
Oh, and something I left off my original list is the dynamic between him and Bradley. I won’t come right out and ass-u-me that the relationship between those 2 would be all nice and lovely.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
I was joking, mostly.
The only way the Cubs could fit Manny in is if they traded Soriano. Which isn’t happening.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
OK...
but it would be interesting to see – at least for me – how Lou handles things and what kind of unrest there would be at the friendly confines.
For me though and you’re 100% right this won’t happen, I would take Manny and his issues over Soriano and his issues.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 10, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I think I would too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Manny vs. Soriano - interesting question.
I think I’d take Manny, too. His rep in the postseason is unparalleled. Soriano’s…not so much.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
Short CF
We can play a 4 man OF and always have a shift in the infield. That solves where to play him.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
I would like to see Ramirez....
1. He’s a winner.
2. He’d thrive under pressure in the playoffs.
3. As for how to fit him into the lineup – well, I think Piniella would love to have that problem.
Lou would love it talent wise
but the Tribune and Future ownership (assuming Ricketts) would flip I am sure when you look at the salary
Manny $20M+ each season for ? seasons
Soriano $106M over 6 seasons
Bradley $30M over 3 seaons
Fukudome $48M over 4 seasons
and that is just the OF, not including anyone elses contract.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
When all is said and done, he'll probably end up back in LA
I understand the reasons laid out for him to go up to SF, but I just don’t see it happening. If the Giants aren’tt going to meet his 4 yrs $100M price, then I don’t see him taking a lesser deal from them. Assuming LA keeps that 1 year $25M offer close to the table, that’s what he’ll probably take.
But let’s not forget that adage – that’s just Manny being Manny… It would not surprise me at all if he did something really off the wall in terms of a one year deal. Something like going back to…
…Cleveland.
He could put up some fantastic numbers, lead the Indians to the Promised Land, and put himself in prime position to get a 2-3 yr deal next year. After the Indians beat the Yankees in the ALCS this year, I’m sure The Jr. Boss would take notice and make room for Manny to come home in 2010.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
It sounded to me...
… the last time I heard about that LA offer, that they had withdrawn it, that they were sick of dealing with Manny.
At this point he might have to take a one-year deal from anyone who offers it. It’s not going to be close to $25m a year.
The Giants still make the most sense for him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
IIRC
he said he wanted to be a NYY when he was traded by Bos. Any chance he ends up there on a discounted deal?
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Do they have room for him?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
has that ever stopped
the Steinbrenners from singing someone?
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
that's why I'm thinking Manny does the one year deal, somewhere, anywhere
That way the Yankees have this year to move players, free up $, etc. and then they can sign him in 2010.
For a one year deal this year, Manny’d probably get the most $ from LA. But if money isn’t a factor (remember – Manny being Manny covers a lot of ground), I can see him going (or Boras steering him) to an AL team so he can
1) put up bigger numbers by DHing some of the time
2) play the Yankees and show them what they’re missing
Obviously, AL East would bring #2 into play more. Boston would be the best fit had he not burned those bridges. Baltimore’s a slim possibility as Angelos is unpredictable enough to do something like this, though MacPhail would probably have a sh*t fit. TB’s not a fit. Toronto? Maybe…
If nothing in the AL East works, then that’s why I think Cleveland could be the darkhorse. Sorry Ben Francisco, but Manny’s just a little bit better than you. Manny’s played there before, and the parting was mostly amicable – certainly not like when Thome left.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Had the Cubs had him 2008,you’d be sipping champagne………I’d pay 30 mil to get him…….102 years is an alfull long time…..we waited 86…….I waited 62 years.You don’t know the feeling……talk about ecstasy……….I’d love to see you guys win….I think I’d cry again
by LittleRhodyJack on Feb 11, 2009 12:27 PM CST reply actions
Um, Jack, for starters...
…it’s been exactly 100 years. It won’t be 101 until and unless the Cubs fail to win it all in ‘09. Second, as good as Manny is, I don’t think he guarantees anything. I don’t recall the Dodgers hoisting a World Series trophy last fall. And Manny standing in left field wouldn’t have prevented Ryan Dempster from struggling to throw strikes in Game One of the NLDS nor would it have prevented the infield defensive gaffes that all but sealed our doom in Game Two. But, again, we appreciate your well wishes.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
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