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A Milton Bradley Controversy Already? - Cubs vs. Mariners at Peoria, Tuesday 3/10, 3:05 CT

I'm really not sure what to make of this, and I want to try to be fair to Milton Bradley.

In yesterday's Ft. Worth Star-Telegram, writer Gil Lebreton said that Bradley, essentially, was jaking it at times last year:

"My agent was saying that Jon Daniels was telling him, 'There are days when he doesn’t want to play because of his health,’ " Bradley said.

"Well, you can get a healthy guy to go out there and play 162 games, but he won’t do what I did in 120."

As crudely self-serving as that sounds, Bradley is mostly right. His numbers last season were All-Star quality.

But that shouldn’t excuse the fact that Bradley was prone to sporadically calling in sick, including missing 10 of 11 games in early August as the Rangers lapsed from wild-card contenders to pretenders.

Plus, at the same time when Bradley was randomly removing himself from lineups, Michael Young was playing nearly every day despite having broken fingers on both hands.

Young never complained about Milton. That’s not Michael’s style. But his teammates certainly noticed.

When asked about that Sunday, Bradley gave an unsettling answer.

"If I’m being paid, and I’ve got the commitment to me that I give to them, you make more of an effort to be out there every day," he said.

So, in other words, you don't play hard or play hurt unless there's a financial commitment to you? In today's Sun-Times, Greg Couch quotes the Star-Telegram article, compares Bradley to Luol Deng, and gets a little more elaboration from Milton:

"If you're in a situation like I am now," Bradley said, talking about his three-year deal with the Cubs, "if they want me to go out there when I'm feeling a little banged up, I've got no problem doing that because they've made the commitment to me."

Well, that's nice. Bradley says he is willing to play hurt now. But just remember the foundations for his beliefs.

We like our athletes to play hurt because it shows commitment to team and town. We all go to work hurt or sick or just wanting more pay. But we go.

If Ben Gordon pulled himself out of Bulls games because he has minor injuries, and the Bulls haven't committed to him with the money and long-term contract he wants, then how would you feel about him?

That's what Bradley said he did last year. That's your new clubhouse leader?

Well. I really, really do want to like Milton Bradley and want him to contribute positively to the Cubs, both in the clubhouse and on the field. There is no doubt that when he is healthy and has his head screwed on straight, he is a major talent who can carry a team. All I can say to this is: let it not affect the way he produces beginning April 6.

Today, Rich Harden will make his first spring start. We'll also see Aaron Heilman, and possibly Ryan Dempster. For Seattle, Garrett Olson, who was a Cub for ten days in January -- not even enough time to down an Eli's cheesecake or two -- will get the start. There are no broadcasts of today's game, so we're all going to have to follow on MLB.com Gameday.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Did your cable go out too ?

3 posts before noon ? I have a 2-6 “window” for the repair guy so I am guessing 7Pm.

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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 10, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm having a showdown with a DirecTV repairman

scheduled for this afternoon. Those HD-DVRs are pieces of crap. I am in a constant fight with DirectTV to replace the ones that they put in my house. Does anyone else have problems with equipment from DirecTV?

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Mar 10, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no problems here with my DTV equip

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I LOVED my DirecTV

but I never had a DVR. Only needed one service call in almost 10 years.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 10, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CABLE IS BACK

On it’s own. This is getting strange. Remote is still quirky but as long as I have my picture I am a happy. Turned on Canada/Italy.
Heck I am SO desperate for any baseball after a few days I will take a WBC rerun.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 10, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DirecTV

Have had problems with my HD-DVR continually for the last 6 months. Have had two service calls and each time they tell me it has something to do with my hardware. I have asked repeatedly to be upgraded to the “magic” hardware that will allow me to watch TV for more than a few weeks at a time without interruption. This has not happened.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Mar 10, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HDDVR 20

The only issue with my HD DVR from DTV is the B Band converter. I’ve replaced 3 in 2 years. They mail them out to me for free though.

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by Fuk-U-Meter on Mar 10, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guy didn't know what a B-band converter was!

It took him 2 hours to figure it out. Busy-body me kept telling him that the error message “check B-band converter” must mean something. He told me that it’s built into the amp in my attic.

2 hours later, he figured out I’ve had my service for 6 years and the “amp in the attic” was an older model!

Other than that experience, I love my DVR and DirecTV.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Mar 10, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what a B-band converter is either,

but I will be sure to bring it up when the repair person is at my house later today. Thanks for the help!!

I hope this solves my on-going fight with DirecTV. It has been a long fight that I can not seem to win with these jerks.

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Mar 10, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is good to know.

Although, B Band converter sounds like I have to go door-to-door getting people to listen to the BackStreet Boys.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Mar 10, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Went thru 4 receivers

in less than 2 years a while back. That was with the SD DVR. Upgraded to the HD DVR a couple of months ago and haven’t noticed any problems, other than the menus and other functions being very slow on the HD model. Now I’m just hoping that I get the WGN HD feed down here in Texas come April. No HD games for Spring Training yet.

It might be....it could be.....it is......a home run!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by imfromzwolle on Mar 10, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

6 recievers

been with DTV about 5 years & am on 4th dish & 6th HD reciever. Is that a problem?

by cubbierc on Mar 10, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say lets wait and see.

Bradley has an incentive laiden contract, soI am not too worried. And it is hard to know if he was staying healthy by not playing too much and knowing when to shut it down, or because or he lost some interest in playing with a team that far out of it.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al's point was that Texas was still in the WC race

in early August. I think the concern seems to be that Bradley puts Bradley’s contract before team. No one wants a player to risk LT health issues, but was Bradley (potentially) making a ST decision to not play with minor injuries because those minor hurts might hurt his stats in a year when he is looking for a new LT contract. Not good.

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Mar 10, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and in the case of his Cubs contract

since it is incentive laiden for AB’s in particular, I do not see him taking himself out of a game as this article suggests.

I am curious how I have not heard this sooner, when I live a few horus away from DFW. Why wait until now to say that, instead of sooner, including DURING last season.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

The fact that in order to get paid Bradley needs to play, I think we will see him in the lineup in situations where in previous years he might have sat out.

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by nji232 on Mar 10, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas may have been in the WC race

numerically, but even as a dispassionate observer I said they had no chance. The Rangers could mash 7+ runs/game and still lose. Consistantly. If you’re banged up, on the verge of FA and only nominally “in a race”… I can see being hesitant to play.

I think most columnists are just anti-Bradley. Not that he’s a saint or anything, or undeserving of having people be anti-him… but its a little ridiculous.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Texas was "in" the WC race

But IIRC, they never got within about five games, and weren’t going to catch Boston.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do we know that, though?

Five games behind in August isn’t that much.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas wasn't going to win consistantly enough to get closer than 5 games

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not.

But again, there’s no way to know that for sure.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, as of Aug 1, they were behind three teams

Boston, Minnesota and New York

The likelihood that all three of those teams were going to collapse bad enough to hand the WC to Texas seems fanciful.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, I don't think that Texas team had the pitching...

…to be serious contenders.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that, I will agree with.

They still don’t.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rangers ever being in the wild card race last year is news to me.

Maybe mathematically, they were in the race, but I never considered them a contender simply because their pitching was so bad, maybe the worst in all of MLB.

Milton has strongly stated that winning is the most important thing to him. We’ll find out very soon if this is the case.

Until then, what is the point to dredge all of this up? Well, the columnists and beat reports are bored with ST, just like the players and fans.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Mar 10, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I was not in favor of the Bradley signing. But I think we need to give the guy a chance to see what he can do for us. (I cannot believe that I actually said that about Milto Bradley after watching him play in Oakland).

wccubfan

by wccubfan on Mar 10, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not that incentive laden

What does he have to play in 09 to get the full 30M, like 80 games or something like that?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Mar 10, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought it was more than than

and was based on AB’s. Anyone know for sure?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I saw it listed as Games Played

and it wasnt abnormally high either

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Mar 10, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know what? I'm not even mad about this. I suppose I should be, but I'm not.

My immediate reaction is simply this – if he jakes it on a particular game, then he doesn’t get paid for that day. Call in sick? Fine, stay home and eat your chicken soup. Oh, and don’t get paid for that day. Simple as that.

If he’s that kind of athlete that can turn it on and off like a switch, no problems here. I’d just make sure that switch is connected to Payroll as well…

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by ballhawk on Mar 10, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not mad either

I just know its typical behavior he would exhibit..

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Mar 10, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

…just because something is considered “typical” doesn’t make it “correct”. I’m sure you will change your tune when he’s in the last year of his contract and he’s got nothing to gain from playing everyday…The more of the WBC I watch, the more I want Dunn…oh well…Let’s hope things work themselves out.

by Lows05 on Mar 10, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish we got Dunn too

I have a bad feeling about Bradley

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Mar 10, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

with you

Never been a fan of the Bradley sign. I was a Abreu and still am an Abreu guy. Milton will have something written on him weekly and he will always be in some form of conterversy. Some of the conterversy will be warrated some not, that is the nature of his history.
 If we get 120 in the field I will be shocked.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Mar 10, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he can make it go away

with an MVP performance and lead this team to a championship

by socalbob on Mar 10, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunn can mash

but we need DEFENSE.

Now if we could just get a SS.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting a SS should have been higher on the list than getting a RF'er...

in my opinion.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to say

The WBC has really increased my respect for Dunn. I used to be in the JPR camp, wondering about his passion. After watching him play in the Classic, where he’s sliding hard into second base and smashing HRs left or right — it’s clear that when the guy has something to play for, he’s as passionate as anyone.

I think I want him instead of Gameboard.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Dunn's comments following the first WBC game were rather tragic.

He said something along the lines of, “This must be what a playoff game feels like!” and “I really want to go to the playoffs!”

Ummm, yeah, Adam, I got your new Nationals uniform here and…z

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, the Nats could be the Rays of 2008!

Okay … never mind …

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You beat

me by one minute. I totally agree.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This whole business does have a Manny-like smell to it, doesn't it?

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except this guy is no Manny

Not by a long shot.

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Mar 10, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

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by eswan9 on Mar 10, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With you

1000%

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Mar 10, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

with you 1000%

on this will be a bad signing. This will be a bad one.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Mar 10, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

booooo

hisssss

Hendry's been hittin the bottle...

by kylejo on Mar 10, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the life

of me were has this guy shown on a year to year basis that he is that good? Al, all star numbers last year? Come on, what 22 hr and 77 rbis? Okay high oba, but I just don’t get it.

They talk of batting him forth or fifth, whatever. I am not sure a guy who’s career high of 22 hrs is the thumper you need batting in that place in the order. What was his next highest hr total, 19.

I am rooting for him now just because he is a Cub. But when all is said and done, he will be a bust for us.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, that's his career high in home runs because he's missed so many games.

And, honestly, home runs only tell part of the story, and RBIs are team-dependent so they’re really not the best thing to look at. Bradley’s OBP wasn’t just “high” last season, it was orbiting Pluto – .436. Add to that a guy who slugged .563 and you’re looking at a .999 OPS. That is, most certainly, All-Star – and middle of the order – material.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, he's an emotional guy.

He speaks off the cuff and says stuff he probably shouldn’t. We knew that about him when he was signed and we know it now. I don’t particularly care for that attitude, either. But he’s made it clear that he does feel supported by the Cubs and he really wanted to come here.

So I’m not going to worry about his motivation or his health until either one genuinely becomes an issue. And, yeah, his health probably will become an issue at some point. But maybe not in the severe sense that so many people are assuming it will.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He feels supported...for now.

How my little Milty-wilty gonna feel the first time he goes through a prolonged slump or makes a bad play and hears it from the fans? I totally expect things to go swimmingly…right up until he finds a reason to think we don’t all love him anymore.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

almost sounds like a football player who has been in the news a bit of late

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 10, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mean to start an OT topic....

but I am curious to see how TO and small market team goes.

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 10, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i assume

either unpredictably well, or predictably horribly wrong

by heine41 on Mar 10, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For one season

it’ll be peachy.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably

due to him playing his ass off so he can be tendered another contract…..this is a smart move on Buffalo’s part IMO

by heine41 on Mar 10, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's amazing that you just can't wait for him to fail.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing how the "I told you so's" are already coming,

it’s not hard.

“Milty-wilty?” Seems like you’ve already got your mind made up.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Voicing my opinion of how I think the situation will most likely play out...

is not me saying “I told you so”…we make predictions ALL THE TIME about players – Community Projections, Lineups we want to see, etc.

I’m the last guy in the world who wants to see Milton Bradley suck/get hurt/suspended/disrupt the team. I WANT THE CUBS TO WIN A WS.

I happen to think Bradley is very likely to use his “feelings” as an excuse IF things go south. And please…you know the “Milty-wilty” was funny.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I want MB to succeed...

… I have to agree with you. Although, I think the basis for Couch’s article today was news worthy(except the addition of Deng), I can’t help but think that this is just the start of the media attack on Milton.

Deserved or not, it will be interesting to see how Milton reacts after the “honeymoon” wears off and the media and fans get on him during a slump. I hope I am wrong, but history suggests this will not end well.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Mar 10, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point, the only thing about Milton Bradley that could surprise me...

…is if he plays more than 150 games. Hell, make that 140 games. Otherwise, I’m open to just about anything with this guy. But that goes both ways – he could be a petulant jerk that gets into shouting matches with the fans in the right field bleachers and sits out 60 games, or he could surprise us all by playing 120 to 130 games, putting up huge numbers and electrifying this team. I’m sure he’ll have some very interesting ups and downs either way.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds

like you havent given him a chance to begin with.

by tizzle on Mar 10, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't given him a chance? When did I take the chance away from him?

The season hasn’t started yet…we won’t know how this will play out until it does.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I’m saying it seems that you have already made up your mind about him. You dont like him, we get it.

by tizzle on Mar 10, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still hate Theriot more.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

but I’m a dyed in the blue optimist, so I’m holding out hope he’s going to go out and prove everyone wrong.

Even if he doesn’t, I doubt it’ll be boring.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right about that last part.

He won’t be dull.

And like you, I hope he goes out and has a monster year and plays 140-150 games.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me get this

Straight. He has been on seven teams in eight years in the bigs. Of all those teams his high for RBI’s is 77 last year with the Rangers, always a offensive force. His second best RBI total was 67, yes a whopping 67 back in ’04 with the Dodgers. I will add that was his career high in games, 141.

I will maintain this is not the guy that would bat in the middle of my lineup. As for last year, yes the numbers you cite are maybe of all star caliber, but again only 126 games. Question, could he have preformed to that level, say if he matched his career high of 141? A mere 15 games, maybe. Show me a season of 150+ and put up the numbers he did last year.

Again, look at his career stats. There is nothing that indicates he will all of a sudden supply what he did last year for a FULL year.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't aruge RBI's as a meaningful indication of talent. I'm not sold on Bradley for a variety of reasons...

but you can’t point to his RBI numbers as reason to not like him.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I use

the RBI as an overall example of his lack of power production. Maybe I am wrong, but I always thought the guys in the middle should have the runs batted in. My point is what has this guy shown if we bat him in the middle that he will drive in the needed runs.

I have no axe to grind with the man. As I mention down lower, I really do not even care about his so called issues. I just can not understand how so many fans think this guy is going to be that great. He has no track record for a full season, minus 2004.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that many of us really believe he's going to be the 2008 Bradley.

He’ll be a one position playing swtich-hitting Mark DeRosa with a little better OBP…we hope.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill, dude, buddy, did you even read my post?

He slugged .563 last season. If there are guys on base when he comes up to bat he will drive in runs.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only

buddies I have are in my wallet:). I hope you are correct. My whole point really is prove it over a full season. For which he has yet to do in his career.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

And, honestly, I don’t expect him to play a whole season – assuming one defines that as 145-160 games. But if the Cubs staff can keep him relatively healthy, and he can get in to 120-130 games, his production should help this team win games.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope

so. Listen, I think he is a good player. Not great, but good. I just would not want him in the middle of the line up. I would prefer him either batting second or third.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me stupid

but isn’t 3rd “the middle of the order”?

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would never call

 a fellow poster stupid. But I guess it is. I was thinking more of the 4,5 & 6.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant

I guess the third spot in the order is the middle, not your comment. Just to be clear.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

you’re cool. :-)

I’ve just always thought of 3,4,5 as the “middle”. 1 & 2 as “table setters” and 3,4,5 as cleaners. With the lower ones as more manufacturing chaos on the basepaths.

I never played so that may be the wrong approach.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I

am old school. 1) On base fast guy 2) smart hitter, moves along the runners 3) Couple speed with OB and good average, some power 4) Power hitter 5) Power hitter 6) not good enough to hit 4 or 5 7) normal catcher 8) weak hitting shortstop.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

9) Ted Lilly.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 10, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Lilly will lead off when he pitches.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was gonna say...

9) Pitcher who throws 200 pitches a game and 300 innings a season.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never will happen

nor has it ever happened. You know nothing more than a Conspiracy. Sort of like the A Rod thing

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said, RBIs are team-dependent.

You have to look at his other numbers.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seven teams in eight years....

Something tells me there is a reason for this……I’m hoping for the best, but ii just might take an act of God for this to go well.

Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Mar 10, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't write "All star numbers".

The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram writer did.

Like a lot of people here, I’m willing to give Bradley a break — but he needs to stay healthy and produce.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see how you can plan "staying healthy."

Or if MB has any control over the matter. Athletes get hurt.

Now, sure, Milton didn’t force it last August when he knew he was going to be an FA. Does he play those games when he has a contract in hand? We’ll see. I’m guessing yes.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand

corrected, I should have referred to your statement of him being a major talent. Of which I do not agree with. I really don’t care about his so called issues. I am more alarmed that this guy who to me has never shown to be that great on the field. Yet it seems many Cub fans think he is the beat all end all player. Sorry folks, that is my opinion.

But I truly hope he proves me wrong.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He needs to pull his head out of his......

….ass. His comments all Spring tell me it’s still way up there.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its fine to get mad at Bradley

His comments are pretty dumb and I don’t know why he would say those things. But to call his contract a bust already is kind of ridiculous. To say we will regret signing him is also ridiculous.

Because of a certain other bust (and thats a real bust of a contract no matter what excuses people want to make) Hendry had to go out and sign a lefty who could play the outfield and hit. Perhaps Bobby Abreu was the better option seeing what he signed for, but at the time Abreu wanted the same amount of money they Dunn and Bradley got. How many people on here would have freaked out if we didn’t have a RF solution until after Valentines Day? Hendry saw the problem, and he wanted to address it as quickly as possible. The best option of left handed $10 million outfielders was Bradley. Abreu would be awful midway through year 2, Dunn’s defense would absolutely destroy us.

If at the time of the Bradley signing it was possible to get Abreu for $5 million and only one season then the Cubs probably would have done it.

www.talkingchicagobaseball.blogspot.com

by nji232 on Mar 10, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was more concerned

with Bradley’s durability, I gave him a pass on the mental stuff because people can change, fresh start, new contract, all that bull crap. Once he is here and reads the newspapers with these types of articles, he will lose it. Chicago’s media is more intense than any place he has played, I don’t see how this is going to work unless he starts out on fire, and stays relatively healthy.

Bobby Abreu 1 year deal anyone?

I'm finally moving on...

by slocs55 on Mar 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He was a little banged up in August and knew he was a FA next year.

I’m not sure I’d risk it either.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

On August 5, the Rangers were 5 games out of the wild-card lead.

Bradley, though, played only one game between July 29 and August 10. He didn’t play the field at all after July 21. Now, maybe he WAS too banged-up to play — but limited to DH, you’d think he could have played more than 35 of the last 55 games.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or, maybe he wanted to get right for the last month and a half of the season.

Thinking that if his legs heal, he can be a bigger help totally healthy in fewer games than being half-way healthy in less. The guy WAS recovering from an ACL tear.

We can play this game all day. I guess that’s the point. Let’s see what he does with the Cubs.

You know, scratch that: “Let’s see what he does with the Cubs.” Because the first time he gets hurt, he’ll be accused of dogging it.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

The author implies that, when Bradley called in sick, he was sitting on his couch eating Edy’s and playing video games. He may have been genuinely sick, too sore to play or both. We just don’t know.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

… Bradley implied by his own comments that he just didn’t feel like playing hurt because of how he had been shuttled around from team to team with no “commitment” — his word.

Now, there may be legitimate reasons for not playing hurt. However, I should point out that many other players DO play hurt, contract status or no.

There are legitimate arguments on both sides of this issue.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not at all how I interpret that

To me he’s saying that he didn’t feel the organization had his best interests involved, since they were unwilling to commit to him.

In a free agent year, especially for someone with a history of injury, those best interests can mean tens of millions of dollars.

We can get hauty and claim it shows he isn’t a team player, but if you were in his shoes, and protecting your health meant that much money, you’d do the exact same thing.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your point.

I wonder how many other players do this, and how many play anyway.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would imagine a lot of them

But few would have the stones to admit it.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably true.

Unfortunately.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sabathia

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 10, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although....

Sabathia sacrificing himself CREATED his monster contract. Don’t forget that Sabathia was having a poor season (in Sabathia numbers) in Cleveland. Him playing so much in Milwaukee aided his contract.

Bradley was playing well and decided to rest to 100%.

Conversation at a Cubs Game
Me "I think it's cool that a lot of Cubs have names that are abbreviations. A-Ram, D-Ro, D-Lee.... how about R-Ther (R-Tear).
Cousin "....that just sounds graphic."

by Beaushek on Mar 10, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No it didn't

He was going to be traded most likely anyway from Cleveland when ALL of the Indians struggled.. and he pitched as much in MIL because it was either that or Suppan and thats not a way to win.

He got a monster contract because of the Yankees need for pitching and the fact he was an available cy young winner.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too drewish.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 10, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Couch is a moron.

Can someone PLEASE, for the love of god, explain to me why Luol Deng was included in this piece? What point was he trying to make with that? It was just such a stupid reach on Couch’s part, the whole thing just struck me as kind of odd.

The only thing worth reading is the few bits on Bradley not wanting to play. In that case, I’ll give the guy a pass, he’s obviously pretty emotionally volatile and he felt spurned by moving around so much and nobody wanting to invest in him long term. All he was doing is saying what most other players are thinking and I’m not gonna fault a guy for speaking his mind.

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 10, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, the Deng comparison was ridiculous.

He could have made the point using Bradley alone.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Even if he was making a decent point somewhere along the way I was completely thrown off trying to figure out what parallel he was trying to draw between the two player’s situations. Which really had nothing to do with one another

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 10, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted it mainly because it had...

… a Bradley quote that expanded on what he said in the Star-Telegram article.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree,

but for a different reason.

I want to know where these people are who are calling Bradley “gritty.” I’m among his most hopeful fans, and I don’t even think he’s particularly gritty. I’m not even sure what “gritty” means.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True dat...

True Gritty dat, I mean…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 10, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me blind

But I’m still willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. I wasn’t too excited about us signing him, but the fact remains he is my right fielder now. I’m giving him my support as a member of the Cubs until he does something personally to MY franchise for me to alter my perception

by heine41 on Mar 10, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Milton will be a project for Lou

but I am hoping Lou knows how to handle the project. The question than are what are Lou’s options

If or when but if Fukudome gives Lou an option to play him in RF and RJohnson and Gathright in center if Milton doesn’t show up for a period.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 10, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

temptest in a teapot

the proof is in the pudding! Let’s not go putting the car before the horse, or we’ll be closing the barn door after the cow come home, and you know the chickens don’t like it when the fox is in the henhouse.

Just him on what he DOES, people.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 10, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

it's just grey and blah here.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 10, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its flooding here

I may need to get a hold of Noah. Wonder if he still has those boat plans.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm

in the wood business, Arks r us

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't we all.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"How long can you tread water? Ha ha ha ha..."

From a Bill Cosby routine, back when he was really funny.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 10, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

30 minutes

had to for my Red Cross lifeguard cards.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because you're paranoid...

…don’t mean they’re not out to getcha.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

It’s crazy how so many fans already hate this guy when he hasnt done anything wrong yet.

by tizzle on Mar 10, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hasn't Done Anything Wrong Yet?

Here, you’re right. So far. Everywhere else, and I mean everywhere else, he’s been a royal albeit talented pain in the ass.

If we want to sit around here and say Player So and So will never be what this team needs because his OPS has never indicated otherwise, etc., then why can’t the same be said about a player’s head? Bradley’s been a behavorial problem every single place he’s been. Based on his comments this Spring, it doesn’t appear that’s going to change.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because I can SEE his OPS

I can’t see all the gears in his head.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can hear him, can't you?

Look, I’d love for him to succeed here and for me to be wrong. But there’s nothing in his history to suggest either will happen.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, at the risk of being ridiculously argumentative...

…we can’t hear him. These are printed quotes given to us without the benefit of context or inflection. And we’re analyzing them into dust as is our wont.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

but a soundbyte doesn’t always mean what it sounds like.

Look, I’m concerned about his past behavior like everyone. But I refuse to believe he’s been as batshit crazy as everyone says.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll look up the DV calls to his house in Redondo Beach a few years ago....

….. and then we can talk about batshit crazy

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here they are.....

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/sep/15/sports/sp-bradley15

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um

what does this say about him on the field?

I’ve said this before: I don’t care if he spends his downtime beating his wife or kicking kittens or helping disadvantaged children.

I just want to win. Maybe that makes me callous and horrible, but really don’t care. Besides half these people so concerned about his character will forget it the first time he comes through in the clutch.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You underestimate me.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You weren't in the half I figured

I understand your opinion.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

You do belong in a Rob Zombie film…

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, well, for starters...

…that’s still a printed article. I can’t hear what he’s saying.

And go ahead and call me crazy, but he doesn’t sound all that crazy in that article to me. (Say that five times fast.) Reads to me like his wife was attacking him and he was trying to get the cops involved before he lost his temper and did something truly regrettable. I hope he has that kind of presence of mind on the field.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats how I read it too

and its from more than 4 yrs ago.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

im a fan of a clean slate

this is also the first place he has been given and shown a level of commitment from the signing ball club

by heine41 on Mar 10, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please, go on about these comments.

What comments have shown you that he’s going to be a behavorial problem?

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please...

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go on.

SWL’s posted the incidents everyone knows about. I’d like YOU to show me these comments from this spring.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry.....

…. I was just posting about the times he beat his pregnant wife.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/sep/15/sports/sp-bradley15

Let’s start with his comment aboutr having Watson on speed dial because he’ll get gypped on the strike zone. Then we can segue into the comments here, about needing to be “paid” before he’ll go all out.

People here have been saying for a long time they’ll take a criminal in a Cub uniform if eh can hot for power. They might just have gotten their wish here.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for providing the context to the soundbites MB provided.

“need to be paid before he’ll go all out.”

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Watson thing...

Watson told him he was right—he was getting called strikes inches off the plate (5 or 6 if I remember correctly).

Didn’t seem like Watson had a problem with the call.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It goes to state of mind.....

…. and frankly, if Bradley was indeed growing up, he should just be keeping his shut this spring and not saying anything that gives us an opportunity to have threads like this. But, he can’t, it isn’t in his nature. He’s always seen himself as a victim, and that’s never going to change.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And if he WERE keeping his mouth

shut why do I have the feeling some people would be pissy he wasn’t talking to the press and trying to win everyone over?

We get it, you’re not a fan of the Bradley signing. But dragging up 911 calls from 4 years ago does nothing for me.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well.....

….. in my line of work, I unfortunately run into many DV cases. Four years or four minutes, they’re always relevant to me.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if not good PR

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

when you beat a pregnant wife, I think you have some serious issues and that can and should disrupt a clubhouse. How would you feel your locker is next to a guy like that, “Oh I don’t care he has a great OPS” Please, the guy has had a horrible past, and if gets into some shit here in Chicago it could effect the clubhouse in a negative way.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Mar 10, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Find a single teammate who's said a single bad thing about him

He’s almost universally praised by his former teammates.

Fortunately, the Cubs have taken his past into account and put his locker someplace where he won’t be next to any pregnant women.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also I'd be curious if they got some help

If he did get some help to work on his problems maybe also that can help. People can change. Not often I realize, but they can.

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 10, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the best way to change

is for those around you to not remind you of incidents every 10 seconds, but be supportive instead.

Not one person on this board is perfect, each of us have made misakes. Not saying our mistakes are the same as his, but they are mistakes nonetheless. We all have a skeleton as well in the closet, but instead of all of our friends bashing us and us returning the favor to them, until we have bashed each other into submission (or insanity) we move forward, and show support to each other.

Why cant we do the same for another person, who wants a fresh start?

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 11, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look....

… as I said elsewhere, I’d love to be wrong about this guy. But I don’t think I’m going to be. And I’ll be more than glad to admit it if I am.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Mar 10, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2004
Dugout confrontation with Indians manager Eric Wedge in spring training before getting traded to the Dodgers.

2004
Slammed a plastic bottle at the feet of a fan in the right-field seats at Dodger Stadium after someone threw it onto the field. Bradley drew a five-game suspension. Also received four-game suspension for tossing a bag of balls onto the field after an ejection.

2005
Feuded with infielder Jeff Kent, accusing him of being a racist, and prompted Dodgers to trade him that winter.

2007
Bitter public disagreement with A’s general manager Billy Beane. After trade to Padres and in thick of pennant race, tore ACL in his right knee when he was spun to the ground by Padres manager Bud Black, who was trying to keep him from umpire Mike Winters. Bradley claimed he had been baited by Winters, who was suspended for the final five days of the regular season.

2008
According to Dallas Morning News, Bradley attempted to confront Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box after a game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air. Texas manager Ron Washington and GM Jon Daniels chased after him and stopped Bradley before he got to Lefebvre.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jeff Kent one shouldn't be held against him

Nobody likes that guy, and Bradley isn’t the only black player who has had major problem with him.

www.talkingchicagobaseball.blogspot.com

by nji232 on Mar 10, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What comments this spring?

You’ve shown me a list of incidents. I asked for comments this spring.

I know the incidents.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know who PUNCHED his manager?

Ted Lilly. But hes just emotional, right?

For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.

by Less is Walrond on Mar 10, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woah woah woah...

I haven’t heard anyone say they “hate” Bradley. I may be extremely leery of his attitude and history of injury, or even apprehensive about his commitment, but don’t go spouting off that we all hate him just yet.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's

pretty obvious man.

by tizzle on Mar 10, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm beginning to dislike you though....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we could throw twizzlers

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you have any poo, fling it now.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 10, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or forever hold your feces.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

The Chicago media is just waiting for the littlest thing to happen, almost baiting Bradley at times. Posts like this do nothing to help either.

Cut the man a break for pete’s sakes. If Cubs fans and the media could do just two things, I’d be happy.

1. Quit stalking Milton Bradley. He did some things in the past, owned up to it and is trying for a fresh start. Give him that at least. If he screws up again, then let him have it. There’s some saying about glass houses and such…
2. Quit sobbing over Mark DeRosa leaving. Nothing you can do about it. Oooooo, DeRosa got a triple in the WBC! We should have never let him go! DOOM! Let things play out. Hendry has gotten the team in pretty good shape, he’s earned the benefit of the doubt.

by lamentir on Mar 10, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fact, if you read the DeRosa post...

… most people there (myself included) agreed with you and disagreed with the poster’s comment.

You have a point about the media leaving Bradley alone. However, he appears to have been a little too honest in talking to these reporters.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually had no problem with the trade of DeRosa

I just wish we’d gotten something a little more flashy out of it.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

God Help Bradley.......

…… if he pulls his typical shit on Piniella. I’d pay to see Lou rip him a new one.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe this year, instead of our Ace kicking our Catcher's ass...

it’ll be our manager kicking our right fielder’s

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bud Black tackled him

which 2 years later remains the most ridiculous thing I can remember seeing.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This automatically makes Bud Black....

better than the entire Chargers Secondary.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tougher, definitely

And he didn’t even cry after his team lost. Which is un-San Diego like.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if Lou does it during a game and you're at that game...

…you’ll have essentially done just that.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, that

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

couldnt agree more

by tizzle on Mar 10, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

seems a lot like hating on Gregg before he had a chance to put on a Cubs uniform

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

This stuff is garbage. Here we are in ST and someone is bringing up garbage that has nothing to do with the current situation. Wake me when something important happens.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 10, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shame on you...

…if you are surprised by this. The only reason anybody would want to like Bradley is because he’s with our team. If he wasn’t, we wouldn’t be able to stand him. I am still horrified by his signing. I would have rather had Adam Dunn playing a miserable RF than Bradley’s game in our uniforms.

Also, another shame on you if you think there won’t be anymore problems with Bradley.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Man, where'd all this shame come from?

Here I am, sitting at my desk, and all this shame fell on me.

I’m covered in shame. Covered!

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 10, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shame? You're soaking in it!

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speak for yourself
The only reason anybody would want to like Bradley is because he’s with our team.

Not all of us our obsessed with turning athletes into perfectly behaved, cookie cutter “roll models.”

I’ve always loved Bradley – his fire, his intensity, and most of all how much fun it is to watch him play baseball.

For me as a baseball fan, he’s never done anything so egregious that merits being “horrified” of his presence in a Cub uniform. People’s reactions to him are so extreme and out of line with what he’s actually done that it makes me believe there’s more to it than just simple dislike.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

To each their own...

My statement may not be 100% true… but hey, some people like to eat turds too. I don’t ever remember saying that I want players that are "perfectly behaved, cookie cutter "roll models.’ But, any player that has a history as Bradley… doesn’t belong in MLB. If he cleaned up his act, cool… I would be for him, but he obviously hasn’t. It’s just sad that the Cubs added a cry-baby natured player, who is always hurt, and let go true players who play with a passion like Wood and DeRosa.

True, all three (Bradley, Wood, and DeRosa) are passionate players. But only one is a total baby also…

If he cleans up his act and stays healthy, I’ll gladly admit I was wrong about him. I just don’t see that happening, and this is the first sign of that.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Bradley doesn't belong in the MLB?

Exactly what offense has he committed that you would ban him for?

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ban?

I never said anything such as ban… but, I do think that people who obviously have a temper like he does isn’t worthy of being an MLB player. If people like Pete Rose can get thrown out of baseball, then emotional cry-babies like Bradly shouldn’t be allowed to play. He has a history of not showing the game respect, etc… but you know that, you just want to argue.

We wouldn’t even be discussing this if he wasn’t a Cub. I have always stated that his signing wasn’t a good choice, and could badly influence the team. Saying things like this… I just can’t see how it’s going to be a positive influence on Soriano, etc… If this is the way he plays MLB, then he doesn’t deserve to be a Chicago Cub, nor a MLB player.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said
Bradley… doesn’t belong in MLB

Sure looks ban-y to me.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I think i explained myself well. If you can’t understand it, that’s your problem.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that waffle passes as an explanation

I must need more caffeine. You don’t like his attitude. Fine. You’re entitled to your opinion, but its my personal pet peeve when people don’t like something they try to say it shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

But whatevs.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said that?

Where did I say that it should be allowed to exist? I think your on something else besides caffeine.

Keep enjoying your visit to neverland… the ranch that is.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flagged

That’s not cool in so many ways

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh come ON....you seriously need to lighten up.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm lightened...

I just think if somebody misquotes me, especially with an attitude, i can try to correct it, with attitude. If not, then leave me alone.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he didn't reply to you

he replied to cocknfire

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he shouldn't be banned just blacklisted

Because he doesn’t play the game the way you’d like people to play the game. Because you don’t think he knows his place.

Wow.

Bradley, from interviews, shows tremendous respect for the game and its history. I’m not sure how getting into a couple arguments with a managers or baited by an umpire changes that.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

Thanks for the laugh…

Who cares what I think, who cares what you think…so why do you want to argue? Is your life that pathetic? I’m really sorry man.

You made your point, I made mine… that is what these boards are for. If you want to have a conversation, then, stop putting words into my mouth because you have in all 3 of your responses. I’m sorry man, but if you just want to argue like this were some religious debate, go find worf or somebody.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I'd hate to put words in your mouth

Lord knows i can’t compete with the things actually coming out of it.

So please, enlighten me, since you still haven’t answered the question: what has Bradley done to merit blacklisting him? In what ways has he failed to respect the game?

Please be specific.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peckard

There is a whole list of reason’s somewhere up above. I’m sure you’ve read them and ignored them. Sometimes, it’s not one error of judgment that condemns you, but, just continual errors in judgment.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You seem to lash out when asked to back up your opinions

I asked for specific reasons. You gave me a bunch of generic crap about him not showing respect for the game and being and emotional crybaby. You compared him to Pete Rose (?). Oh and that he might be a bad influence on Soriano.

I’m just asking you to back up some of the ridiculous things you’ve said with something resembling a fact here. I’m not sure how that merits a personal attack, but keep flailing wildly and maybe something will stick I guess?

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you know, Wreckard?

Sori’s not an adult who can take care of himself. Once exposed to Bradley, he will be destroyed.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not

His influence won’t be good on Sori.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano is all growed up

I think he’ll be fine on his own. If he were a rookie or a second-year player, I might worry.

What’s next — Bradley will steer Lou wrong?

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright now you're really pushing it.

So he’s going to turn Soriano into a hothead? What’s next? Theriot goes into the stands after a fan?

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Theriot does...

the fan will win the fight. I bet he double clutches before he throws anything…including punches.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahaha

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

derrek would have to come over and dig him out.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

love it!

what a visual

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both of you two geniues are saying things i didn't say...

That sounds like something to be annoyed with. But that’s your point isn’t it?

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't say these things?
emotional cry-babies like Bradly shouldn’t be allowed to play
He has a history of not showing the game respect
I just can’t see how it’s going to be a positive influence on Soriano
If this is the way he plays MLB, then he doesn’t deserve to be a Chicago Cub, nor a MLB player.
any player that has a history as Bradley… doesn’t belong in MLB

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've answered it...

I can’t help it if you don’t like my answers. I don’t think emotional firecrackers who get mad and go after fans, or announcers, or, whoever, deserves to be a MLB player. Thanks for showing part of my posts. Now, go read the rest of it…

BTW, I like what santoswoodenlegs said earlier. Go read it concerning Bradley’s history. I am sure you already have, but just choose to ignore it…which is fine, whatever works for you mate.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No you haven't

All of your answers have been “I’ve answered it already”.

Clearly, if everyone is asking you to clarify what you could possibly mean, you’ve done a poor job of it.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha...

Here you go… go read a post up above by santoswoodenlegs… it has some things Bradley did over the years. I find that to be enough as is.

Do you NEED anything else sir?

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What on that list is so bad?

You’re advocating blacklisting the man from baseball. He’s gotten in a handful of arguments. He’s never been physically violent (the closest he’s come is throwing a cup at someone’s feet).

There’s nothing on that list the merits the hatred you’re spewing about the man, let alone meriting a blacklisting from baseball.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I answered that...

Up above… in the post I immaturely wrote “peckerd”. I DO apologize about that. That was uncharacteristic of me.

Still…I don’t apologize for stirring you all up…

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a whole list of reason’s somewhere up above. I’m sure you’ve read them and ignored them. Sometimes, it’s not one error of judgment that condemns you, but, just continual errors in judgment.

Saying I already answered this isn’t an answer.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reggie Jackson

might want to disagree with you.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 10, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whenever Bradley has gotten angry at a person

The only thing he has ever done is demand an explanation. When he was just generally angry he has at most slammed down a Gatorade bottle.

The question of domestic abuse is not out of the question with him. He has never been charged with anything like this, but his wife did call police 3 times when they were married so I suppose that is a possibility, but again reserve judgment on him. He has anger issues, and has admitted to this, and has sought help dealing with it. Essentially, it would be better for everyone if people just evaluated him as a player, but that may not happen. At least, don’t judge the guy unless you have all the facts in these situations.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

I do have a problem with Albert Belle syndrome. Some of you on here may not. That’s me, that’s you… get over it people.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Asking for clarification

is NOT cause for this reaction. Flagged. Change your tone, please.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your post genuinely seemed to imply

that you don’t believe Bradley belongs in the majors.

Wreckard and I asked for reasons why and i pointed out WHERE i got the idea you were asking for him to be banned.

I’m sorry if you felt you’d been mistreated.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at your post

The word Exist is much different than MLB

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I was saying that

people who say things they don’t like should be banned are my personal pet peeve. NOT putting words in your mouth but trying to explain WHY it bothered me.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To quote, in fact:

“But, any player that has a history as Bradley… doesn’t belong in MLB.”

Those are your words. How is saying Gameboard “doesn’t belong in the MLB” not mean Gameboard “doesn’t belong in the MLB.”

Sorry if we’re confused.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peckard? Really?

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops...

my spelling and grammer is most horrible

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this the same Hawk from Bad News cubs?

If it is: Must be weird to be at a place where you can’t drop slurs every other word? Oh I almost forgot “you read every word”.

If you aren’t though that dude, your level of discourse is still ridiculously childish.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

uggh terrible grammer, Ryno makes fun of me all the time for it.

Anyways. I’ll fix this:
*If you aren’t that dude, your level of discourse is still ridiculously childish.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, yeah, it probably is that guy

I guess it would be the same thinly-veiled racist garbage, juvenile discussion style, and complete lack of coherent thought that he showed there.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a waste of time...

LOL. I admit, this is entertaining me… but just because I don’t have the same right as you all do to just say what I think. Obviously, you guys don’t agree with me, and so you all attack me. So, of course, I am going to make light of the situation…

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have the right to say what you think

We have the right to respond as we see fit. We have the same right to respond to you that you have to make these asinine claims.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said it was...

…but if you give me attitude, i’ll give it back. Some people cry over this, i don’t.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have every right to do this.

You can respond in anyway you chose. I still have the right to criticize your opinions as being good or bad. I won’t say your opinions are wrong, because right and wrong don’t apply to opinions, but there are better or worse opinions.

We agree here.. We can have this back and forth just the way it exists now. I’m not crying about it at all. Its fine as it is

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed...

You CAN disagree with me. I’m fine with that. My problem with the others came when they were misquoting me to prove their arguments. That is very different.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You say we attack you

We say we are pointing out flaws in your argument and the assumptions you potentially carry.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

While I don’t condone some of Milton’s behavior, it is not in any way, shape or form bannable.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And....

…that was my point. I don’t think Rose should be gone either, but that is a whole other argument. That was my point. Probably not the best example to use, but I did…so be it.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is what he's done even remotely comparable to what Rose did?

Rose bet on baseball for God’s sake. Given history there are very good reasons that’s a mortal sin in the game.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

BE GONE EVIL DEMON! lol

or something like that…

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

Depends on who you ask.

Looking at each others behavior, I think it’s more likely that Bradly would get arrested before Rose if they behaved that way in public.

Oh yeah…stars get away with things! DOH! I forgot. Their superstardom justifies that. Silly me…

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you should just drop this issue.

None of us is getting anywhere here. Time to move on.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is Badley more likely to get arrested?

There haven’t been any cases of him using violence. He just gets angry. Is it because he’s a large black guy? Maybe a little subconscious racism? What has he done that could be considered a crime?

Blowing things out of proportion again Hawk. Letting bias get in the way of analysis.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

You are a complete moron for bringing race into the issue. Obviously, you have an issue with the race issue, or you wouldn’t have say anything about it.

This is very stupid… much more so than anything on here. Besides, how do you know what color of skin I have?

YOu… are a moron, ban me from the site, do whatever you want….

If you go to your neighbor and start screaming and shouting obscenities like a moron, i am sure the police will show up and take care of it.

I’m sorry, but that remark was a stupid piece of trash.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Namecalling is not permitted.

I could ban you right now, but I think I’ll give you a chance to clean up your act.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go ahead...

I’m not going to be called a racisted.

I apologized to Wrecked for calling him a name a long time ago because it was stupid, but if am going to be banned for standing up to a person who implies that I am a racist, then i deserve to be banned.

Al, you can tolerate that stuff if you want too… that’s your choice, but I don’t.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I simple asked the question.

You are the one that went off. I brought race into the issue because there is a great potential for the image of strong black men to be associated with crime. I simple asked the question and added a little flair at the end.

is very stupid… much more so than anything on here. Besides, how do you know what color of skin I have?[/quote]

So you can’t be racist against your own race? Racist remarks are ones that marginalize or represent a group in a negative light usually using generalizations. Regardless of where it comes from, a comment/though/idea can still be racist.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there is a great potential for the image of strong black men to be associated with crime.

Is that anything like the great potential for the image of little white men to be associated with scrappiness?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it's stupid....

Then why did you do it? Whatever… I don’t care what Al does to me. If this is how you play the game, i’m not playing….

My point was this… if you go to your neighbor, and start screaming obscenities and or threaten them, the police will show up and arrest you. You brought up race…so obviously, its on YOUR MIND.

Once again, i don’t care what Al does… you are a crappy human being…. and I am being nice with that remark…

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was quoting YOU thats where the

“its stupid” came from.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT?

Did you say something? Didn’t think so.

He made the implication of me being a racist. He was saying that being a racist is stupid, which it is… duh. Please, go mind your own business.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're in a comment section on the internet

If you’re that upset, just leave.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sound advice, as always HBCG

methinks he likes the sound of his own keys

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

It must be ok to acuse people of being a racist around these here parts… unless, you are one halfblindcubbiegirl.

Wow. I never would have expected that.

Al, throw me out… I don’t my love for the Cubs to ever want to be tempt to come back. PLEASE…

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Racists usually have thicker skin...

so you must not be one.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Obviously I don’t have as thick a skin as halfblindcubbiegirl or madlarkin. Man, their skin is THICK….

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe they are reptiles

reptiles have some thick skin

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 11, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never called you racist

but seriously. its the internet. if you’re really THIS upset you have control over it. You can leave.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can too...

…so please do so. Please…

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look I only asked you a question.

Despite my little quip at the bottom essentially assuming you are Technohawk/Hawk whatever, I simply asked you to examine whether that statement didn’t have racial undertones? I phrased it poorly in the heat of the moment and I apologize for that, but the question still stands: Is not the image of tying in a black person with anger issues (despite the fact that he has never committed a crime or been banned from baseball) to the decision of potential for criminal behavior?

I’m not even claiming your a racist, I don’t believe in qualifying people in such a way. People’s personalities are far too complex to be defined by a single action or even a single facet of their personalities. I’m just proposing the possibility that this characterization is unfair based on societal representations of race. I don’t believe that blacks are any more or less capable of crime than whites, I am just talking about a well known racial stereotype.

Again I apologize if I demeaned you.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only person who brought up race was...

… you….

So, if you want to play psychologist, go find a mirror, and stroke your own mindset for a couple of hours.

Please, keep your stupid piece of trash posts away from mine from here on out.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never suggested that you brought it up.

I simply asked a question. And no that wouldn’t be Psychologist I am playing that would Sociologist. Sure I’m not a Sociologist, but I can grasp one of the most more basic ideas that blacks in the United States (as per Crime Statistics put out by the U.S. department of Justice and the FBI) reports that blacks, as a disproportionate percentage of their population is in the “lower class”, account for something like 30% of criminal convictions in the united states (according to the 2004 statistitics), but the problem some sociologists have pointed out is those with greater income have a greater ability to defend themselves (i.e. for drug charges going to expensive in-patient rehab centers, that lower income people do not have access too instead of serving time in prison). Others say that it is not wrong to suggest that Blacks commit a higher rate of crime because it is factually true, but to leave out the qualification that a large degree of criminal convictions come from lower class individuals in general and that Black Americans make up a disproportionate percentage of the lower class population (in reference to other racial populations) would be disingenuous. I was asking, and you have still refused to answer, whether you think it is fair to ask about the criminal potential of a black man and a white man of the same economic standing? This is somewhat of an accusation, but it sure as hell isn’t unwarranted. here is what you said:

"Depends on who you ask.

Looking at each others behavior, I think it’s more likely that Bradly would get arrested before Rose if they behaved that way in public.

Oh yeah…stars get away with things! DOH! I forgot. Their superstardom justifies that. Silly me…"

So in essence, your saying right now in 2007 slamming down a Gatorade bottle or getting into a heated argument would get a person arrested more easily than illicit gambling.

“In the United States, the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act of 1994 makes it illegal to operate a "betting, gambling or wagering scheme”, except for in the states of Delaware, Nevada, and Oregon."

Unless Rose was gambling in Delaware, Nevada, or Oregon (and he admitted he had a bookie) he would be violating the law. All I ask is if you answer my question/criticism.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little correction
All I ask is if you answer my question/criticism.

*all I ask is for you to answer my question/criticsm.
__________________
 I don’t make critques like this lightly so if you could not blow it off I would appreciate it.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...

Stop wasting my time trying to justify your mistake. This is over with, so move on. You said something stupid, who cares, I have too have said stupid things today. Move on and forget about it.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm willing to let it go as well.

I don’t feel any shame about this as well. I’ll be clear, I think my objection was valid, but perhaps poorly stated. I have since apologized for the way I stated my criticism, NOT the criticism itself. If you don’t want to answer that is your prerogative.
If you’re fine letting it go at that, I am as well.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

…then your still a moron who obviously has some racial issues that you are personally dealing with. I wish you the best.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man...

… your posts are so stupid. Geez… I cannot help but laugh at the absurdity. I thought mine were bad, but you take the cake! lol

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can continue to demean me.

I’m attempting to have an intellectual conversation. What about my comments suggest I have racial issues? Please enlighten me because I cannot find these racial issues? Then again I am a stupid, Susan Sontag reading, stat-(insert your favorite racial/gender/sexual orientation slur here)? So I probably know nothing. And you most certainly have read every word I wrote.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

Intellectual conversation? Haha… I was going to drop the whooping stick and walk off in the sunset and you go and post that crap above. Your a jerk… i don’t care what what you say or what you think. You brought up racial issues when it wasn’t even an issue…just so that you could prove some stupid point. That is pathictally lower than where i have sunk. When acting like that, I’m not going to take the time to try to have an “intellectual conversation” because all you want to do is win some meaningless arguement. Your a loser… your a bigger loser than I thought because of your lackluster apology, which you didn’t even mean.

Do you need me to repeat anything?

by TheHawkRules on Mar 10, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So by suggesting that someone

expresses racist assumptions I am a racist. I’m not asking you to accept my appology. I’m just questioning your assumptions. Is there any particular reason Rose and Bradley’s activities have different criminal potential? I’ll even remove race from the question, what about Rose makes him more likely to follow the law than Bradley?

Do you admit that it was a stupid comment to compare Rose and Bradley in terms of criminal potentiality? I’m not going to back off because you’re a little hurt by my comments. Racism can be a subtle and subconscious thing and I think its the right thing to do to expose it. You are dodging responsibility for your comments and you’re just pissed I called you out.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grow up...

I tried dropping this whole thing several times now… but you want the last word to clear your conscious…so go ahead and give it. You haven’t called anybody out because you’re the one with the guilty conscious. If you didn’t have one, you would have just let this conversation sit a long time ago when I TRIED to drop it.. but you CAN’T!

So, I am now done dealing with your garbage. You want the last word, so feel free to post it. I’ve said my piece. Good bye, good riddance.

by TheHawkRules on Mar 11, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the season needs to hurry up

the natives are getting restless

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 11, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

would you say the same thing

about zambrano?

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Mar 11, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what to make of theses quotes

But I’m still in favor of the Bradley signing. I think most of the stories about him are much ado about nothing.

Slamming a plastic bottle at someoen’s feet – Don’t care
Pissing off Jeff Kent – Don’t care
Yelling back at an umpire that was clearly out of line – Don’t care
Wanting to confront Lefebvre – Don’t care, mostly because there’s no idea what he would have done. He may have just wanted to give his side of the story.

by jerry morales rules on Mar 10, 2009 1:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I warned everyone about Bradley

Get ready for the sore hamstrings and tight quads and all the rest.

Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?

by 3744nsheffield on Mar 10, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I told 'im. I told 'im.

 Millennium hand and shrimp. Bugrit.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rofl!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 10, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The writing was on the wall at 3744 N. Sheffield.

How could we not see this coming?

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I admit,

I have sort of an excuse.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are forgiven.

The rest of us – fools, I tell you! Fools!

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The shame it burns.

The googles… zhey do nothing!

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This thread is destroying my soul one piece at a time.

I agree with Wreckard here. People are just finding a reason to hate Bradley. Regardless if you like the guys personality or not, and you really have no way to tell whether Bradley is a good or bad person or not, the dude does produce the same if not more wins for this team playing 120 games than DeRosa would playing 150-160 games.
Mark DeRosa WAR

Milton Bradley WAR

Oh I know stats are scary to many of you, but remember if you try to come back with some subjective argument try to give some qualifications. Like find some scouts that will say that they would prefer DeRosa over Bradely, not just you watching games on TV or seeing a guy in games some number of times. And no an ESPN, CBSSPORTSLINE, or beat writer does not count as a scout unless they actually have scouting experience. An online site where people claim to be scouts and have no reasonable qualification counts. Find a guy who understands scouting/has been a scout, like Keith Law maybe?

Anyways, Bradley is a good pick up for this team just by the fact that he is a great baseball player. He helps this team win, even if he plays less than people want him too. This is the same thing with Rich Harden.

Why have I chosen this stat? Well, while Al will likely point out, this surely doesn’t account for every possible detail in baseball and is not perfect, it accounts, to a great degree, a ton of different things and gets pretty damn close to approximating the wins a player adds to each team. It takes and differentiates replacement value based on league and position and takes the one of the most reliable defensive metric (UZR made by Mitchell Litchman), and the offensive side is done by Tom Tango finding how many runs each person is worth via linear weights. Tango synthesizes this into one formula to determine, approximately, how many runs a player is worth.

Its not perfect, but it is a very reliable tool of analysis.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't bring your fancy schmancy WAR over here.

Show me their grit side by side.

For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.

by Less is Walrond on Mar 10, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will scrustle do?

Just wondering if scrustle over replacement is a good enough measure for you?

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't grit/scrappyness

only apply to undertalented small white guys?

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh snap

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of coure it does. Everybody knows that. It's like

when they call a player "heady’. Code words. You know how it is.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 10, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is nice...

as long as you ignore the fact that DeRosa has been a bench/platoon player almost his entire career.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, regardless of this fact

Bradley has averaged less plate appearances. And when he has comparable PAs to DeRosa he is better. If you would refer to the chart. Bradley rarely has gotten a full season of play in, but when he gets close to or ove 500 PAs he produced 4.3, 3.8, and 5.1 WAR respectively. DeRosa, when getting over 500 PAs got 2.8, 2.9, and 3.6 (This was in a career year) WAR respectively. Still a bad trade?

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We didn't trade DeRosa for Bradley.

But if you’re just saying who I’d rather have…I’d still pick DeRosa. Cheaper, plays more positions, never had an attitude problem anywhere…not quite as good a hitter though. Could have used the extra Bradley $ for a real SS.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually this might prove that Bradley is the better player even more.

There is an advantage to being in a platoon, but I’m not sure exactly how much the platoon advantage would be in this case, but Bradley has not been in a platoon situation in quite some time. There would be no need for it as he is a switch hitter.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya know

your just ruining this thread by making too much sense.

by tizzle on Mar 10, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley platoons

becasue he is hurt all the time. So someone has to pick him, essentially it is a platoon.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Mar 10, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

… Bradley has averaged 568 AB per 162 games played, DeRosa 481.

And, Bradley’s career OPS+ is better than Bradley’s, 118 to 97.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My head just asploaded
And, Bradley’s career OPS+ is better than Bradley’s, 118 to 97.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great

Al just divided by zero. Now the freakin’ universe is gonna asplode.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOXY.com - The Future of Rock and Roll

by Gibbon Jockey on Mar 10, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, crap.

I really need some more sleep. Let me try again.

Bradley’s career OPS+ is better than DEROSA’s, 118 to 97.

Better?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
I FIGURED thats what you meant, but... well, ya just never know.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that extra 21 OPS+ worth less defensive flexiblity, greater injury risk and significantly more $?

I don’t think so, but others disagree.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that's a lotta OPS+.

If it were only five or six points, I may be more inclined to agree with you.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also defensive flexability isn't worth much,

 if he’s not that great at the positions he plays. In a moderate sized sample, his numbers in RF we’re pretty good, but then again those numbers have not really stabilized, but it is reasonable to assume that he has some value as a right fielder, but how much is not certain. His numbers on the infield, on the other hand are not impressive at all.
1000 inning is considered a reasonable sample size, but not a good enough one to say he is, for certain that good.
DeRosa’s Career UZR:
DeRosa's Career UZR

Anyways, why I continue to talk about Bradley v. DeRosa is because DeRosa was let go, essentially to free up space for Bradley. Without ownership in place, they couldn’t add any extra salary beyond 150 Million or something for this year I think. Hence had to find someone they could get rid of to allow themselves to get Bradley. Someone can probably find the article in one of the papers talking about the financial reasons for getting rid of DeRosa.

The point is having Bradley and Fontenot starting is better than keeping Derosa.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is having Bradley and Fontenot starting is better than keeping Derosa.

This is a total guess until the season get started.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You want more numbers or you want to let this go?

This is based on a projection and Fontenot has a high probability of doing just as well as DeRosa. Using Tom Tango’s WAR (wins above replacement) as well as 8 different statistical projections from 8 different sources, Mike Fontenot will out produce Mark DeRosa.
Fontenot V. Derosa

and now for the Wins Projection:
Fontenot V. DeRosa 2

These are just projections, yes, but it does seem there is a high probability that Fontenot will be the better player. His defense might be slightly lower than what is projected, but it still should be better than DeRosa’s. The other thing is Miles may take away PAs from Fontenot which would hurt these overall projections. Even if Fontenot struggles, miles takes away some of his time, at worst you are looking at a 3.0 WAR player here vs. a 2.0-3.0(at the high end) for DeRosa.

Could this be wrong? Absolutely. But it’s not likely

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha

Apparently statistics don’t exist in reality. I just made up a bunch of numbers and plugged them into a fantasy equation created by the lead character in my Novel Tom Tango. No, statistics don’t tell us what happened on the field they come from fairy land where anything is possible and all your dreams can come true. And therefore projections, based on these fantasy past numbers, are equally as irrelevant. Because this fantasy is in the future does that make it SciFi?

Give me a break.

Funny picture though.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't really understand me at all.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enlighten me

If I hastily jumped to conclusions I would be more than happy to rescind my comments.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stick around for a while. you'll catch on.

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SWL is never serious

and when things get to serious he posts a funny/interesting picture.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or as I've come to call them at my work computer

“The Red X of Segregationary Laughter”

make*art

by neverAcquiesce on Mar 10, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

oh ok, nvm then. Not understanding the character of an individual and the way that affects things is probably a fault. Nvm then. Light Hearted ribbing, not a disingenuous attempt to undermine my point.

I took that WAAAY too seriously.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Around here… we’re pretty jokey.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my own less Sabermagicianly way...

…this is all I’m saying, people. Get this guy in 120-130 games, and we will all be happy campers. All of the rest of this stuff is just talk while we wait for the season to begin.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if nothing else

based on the injuries, i think it is safe to say MB was not on roids

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No such thing

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley's knee injury...

… was suffered because his own manager had to take him down to prevent him from physically attacking an umpire.

Now, we do know that umpire was dead wrong and was reprimanded for his behavior. But still, there was no call for what Bradley did, either. Had he simply argued, or walked away, he wouldn’t have had the knee injury. Oh, and his team, which lost a playoff spot in a tiebreaker, might have made the playoffs.

I’m playing devils advocate here. I like Bradley’s play and his passion for the game. All I’m saying is that he has to channel it into his PLAY, rather than anything else.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al you're exaggerating again

Rewatch the tape. Bradley is in the umpire’s face, shouting at him. He’s not in the ready-to-attack position. He’s not going for a bat, or rearing back to thow a punch.

What’s the difference between what Bradley was doing there and what Pinella does? You would never assume Pinella was about to physically attack an ump, so what’s different about Bradley that makes you assume this?

Especially given that Pinella and Bradley have physically attacked exactly the same number of people on the field: zero.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

… why did Bochy feel it necessary to physically restrain his player to the point where he got hurt? Yes, it was a freak injury. I still say it shouldn’t have happened.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bochy = Bud Black

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct.

Sorry, wrong year. Bochy left SD after 2006.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saving him from making incidental contact with the ump

and facing a suspension.

Managers do this for players all the time….

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course they do.

In most cases, they don’t have to tackle the player.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He

didnt tackle him, Bradley fell after he hurt his knee

by tizzle on Mar 10, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you actually seen the video or just read about it

Bradley fell over backwards. It was not a tackle, it was a fluke accident.

by Wreckard on Mar 10, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have seen the video.

I’m trying to find it again somewhere, but it doesn’t seem to be online.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see it again, too...

…because I remember thinking Black went a little overboard. Either that or the two just got tangled up.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the link.

YouTube link

Looks to me like Black threw him to the ground.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

Looks more like Black was holding Bradley back, mostly by his left arm, then wrapped the other arm around him like a hug.

Then Bradley got his legs spread too far apart, Black was continuing to apply some torque, and Bradley’s knee gave out. At that point he had to go to the ground. No way could Black continue to hold him up in that position.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 10, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It did look like Bradley wanted a little more than a chat, and Black was holding him back.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno.

Knee gave out? Doesn’t look quite that simple. I think the best you can say about the video is “inconclusive”. (Sorry, no replay officials available.)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it, too...

…and why I remember the incident as them getting “tangled up.” I don’t want to completely blame Bud Black here – emotions were high, adrenalin was flowing and he probably felt he had to use as much force as possible to restrain an athlete as powerful as Milton Bradley.

In any case, we’ll never really know what Milton may or may not have done. Again, call me crazy, but it’s entirely possible Bradley would have simply gotten in the ump’s face and the greatest “danger” involved to either one would have been some incidental contact.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because that's what always happens during those on-field scrums.

One guy gets mad at the other guy, the mad guy starts getting animated, someone comes out of the dugout and holds him back. It’s all part of the theater.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Black didn't need to pull him down and tackle him

he could’ve just gotten in between them and gotten Bradley to step off.

Seriously, that was the most ridiculous thing ever.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts

at the time, even though I was sort of enjoying what happened to Milton, was that Black was the one who screwed up. It was horrible luck for MB. Anyone would have felt like a victim after those revoltin’ developments, and I am sure there’d have been a lot more sympathy for him if not for his reputation. I consider this incident to be a non-incident as far as his outbursts go.

by JodyDavis on Mar 10, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+10, rec'd

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, almost 200 posts already.

What’s going on everyone? I’m here at home… ran 2 miles after work, had some subway… and am going to watch a little bit of the upcoming Liverpool vs Real Madrid Champions League match for the sole reason that it’s in high definition.

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bradley is the new Peavey

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he's the new "Where should Soriano bat in the lineup?"

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano should bat

Wherever the heck Lou decides he should bat.

And Bradley is the new Bradley… savior of the franchise. As is every new trade, until proven otherwise.

<can someone pass the koolaid, I chugged my share….!>

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be t he only thing I'm dreading about the season starting

Bor-ring.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano needs to feel the team;s commitment to him batting leadoff...

otherwise he won’t perform very well.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the Milton Bradley game...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if I didn't know any better

I’d think that little boy is shooting more than a tiddly wink into the pie eye.

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my mind wasn't quite going **there**

!!

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In most states, that would get you arrested.

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Mar 10, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is wrong on so many levels

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that a real game?

it looks confusing.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's fair Al actually.

That is one example where his anger issues did hamper his productivity. But on the flip side he claims that this fire/passion (whatever you want to call it) has led him to become the player he is.

I know you were playing devils advocate, but to I guess put a respectful opposition to that point: his desire to work on his skills and constantly.
“I play this game because it’s my passion and because it’s what I love doing,” he said. “It’s hard. It’s not easy. I think I enjoy the challenge more than I enjoy baseball. It’s not easy to go out every day and hit a baseball.”
"People are going to ask me about my attitude, but if I didn’t have an attitude, I probably wouldn’t be playing baseball because I wouldn’t have an edge. If I was going through the motions and didn’t care and collected my check, then people would talk bad about me. …"
(from the Rick Morrissey column/interview of Bradley)
 even have the fortitude to call out umpires and make sure he is getting fair calls in a correct and proper manner.
"After he reviewed the pitches, he told me that one pitch was 41/2 inches outside and the next strikeout was 51/2 inches outside, that the umpire had been reprimanded, that my fine was rescinded and that he was sorry I had to deal with it but that there’s a certain way to go about it," Bradley said.
(from Rick Morrissey’s column again)

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

please use the reply button.

life is much easier on everyone else.

Hide your Molina, Lilly's free!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you were responding to my comment about the knee injury.

Next time hit “reply” so the comments thread properly.

The quotes make sense, I just wish he would channel the passion into playing the game, rather than the side events. No one’s asking him to “go through the motions and collect his check”. All people are asking is to have him not go off so often.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also Al, (i'll get to halfblind and AL latest post in this reply too)

just a quick question (and don’t take this as insulting or anything, it is just a simple curiosity).

Do you know that that your sig is not the precise Groucho Marx quote. It just peaked my interest when I saw it.

From what I can find the official quote from Groucho is: “Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others.”

A different iteration of that quote you heard on TV/one of his performances maybe?

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem

its just easier to follow. ;-)

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

I got that quote from someone who posted it here a couple of years ago. Guess that poster also got it wrong.

Maybe I need to change that. It’s been a while.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About not going off so often.

I think that the times he has"gone off" are perhaps slightly exaggerated.
from the Morrissey Column again (Having an article done this well by Morrissey is shock to me as don’t worry =P)

""The worst thing I’ve done in my baseball career is throw a bunch of balls on the field and slam a plastic bottle down.

"If you do that in any other realm, it’s not a big deal. If you dump out a bucket of paper clips or slam down a Gatorade bottle in the office, nobody’s going to care. I’ve done nothing bad, really.

“If you want to blow it up, say this guy does this, that, whatever — I’m not breaking any laws. I’ve never had a problem in my life until I started playing baseball.”

Baseball gets him going, brings out the best in him and the rest in him. Last season he got upset at an opposing team’s broadcaster and had to be restrained from going after him. That doesn’t happen in an office too often, though perhaps you always have wanted to confront Chuck from human resources.“" (By his account, the restraint wasn’t necessary physically, he was going to confront the broadcaster and demand an explanation)
Here is what he had to say about this.
 ”""Bradley then walked around with tears welling up and his voice breaking as he spoke.

“All I want to do is play baseball and make a better life for my kid than I had, that’s it,” Bradley said to a quiet clubhouse. “I love all you guys. … I’m strong, but I’m not that strong.” “"
”http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/061208dnsporangersbradley.3c7e26f.html" target="_blank">http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/061208dnsporangersbradley.3c7e26f.html
Milton is just an emotional guy. There are people who are shy and sensitive, but passionate as well. I just ask that no one demand he have tough skin or what not because it may not be in his personality to do that. And despite all that, when he has been on the field, he has been productive.

There have never, ever been accounts of him doing physical violence to any teammate or anyone that I have heard. Bud Black overreacted, by tackling Bradley (WTF??), he was just getting into an aggressive shouting match with the guy who baited him with racial slurs. He could have just talked or held Bradley, but instead he spun him to the ground.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shenanigans

Wasn’t tht the exciting TV game show hosted by Stubby Kaye based on the Milton Bradley game?

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Mar 10, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So are we going to get an overflow thread

Just for the game?

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was just going to post about that.

Since this thread has gotten quite long even before the game starts — in a few minutes — I will post an overflow thread at 4:30 CDT.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineups from Gameday

Cubs
Miles, SS
Theriot, 2B
Hoffpauir, 1B
Fox, DH
Fontenot, 3B
Johnson, CF
Deeds, RF
Hill, C
Taguchi, LF

Mariners
Gutierrez, CF
Betancourt, SS
Griffey, DH
Beltre, 3B
Branyan, 1B
Balentien, RF
Wilson, LF
R. Johnson, C
Cedeno, 2B

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Goddammit!! Harden doesn't get to bat?!?!

Sorry, thought this was the “get animated about everything” thread.

make*art

by neverAcquiesce on Mar 10, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm holding you back!!!!

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't hurt him

If he goes down with a finger injury and can’t type, we’ll never hear the end of it.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hehe

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit! Griffey doesn't get to play CF?

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Mar 10, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will we face Cedeno, or ONEDEC?

I've told you a million times never to exaggerate!!

by pscrblazer on Mar 10, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably ONEDEC.

Bet he feels he has something to prove.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So we've got Harden's first ST start...

…and ONEDEC in the game and no audio or video coverage?!

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And don't forget we are facing ex-Cub Garrett Olson!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooooh

the intrigue!!!

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that it matters that much

But I think Miles is at 2B and Theriot is at SS

by sloathcheck78 on Mar 10, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct.

I misread Gameday. They are batting in those spots, though.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this is the "get animated about everything" thread

can we talk about how we need a SS? Because we have an abnormal amount of 2B on this team.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But we don't have enough 2nd basemen who play RightField. =P

Its Hendry’s little fetish. In all seriousness, Fontenot is the best 2nd basemen on the team right now and its not even close.
Finding a shortstop with above average offense and better defense would be nice (I know a bunch of us at ACB, and I do post there, used to say he’s awful defensively, more recent data suggests, through the availability of UZR on Fangraphs, that he’s somewhere between every so slightly below-average to every so slightly above-average defensively). What the Cubs need is a shortstop who either can have a SLG above his OBP or a shortstop that can play a whole lot better defensively. Cause average defense and below average offense just doesn’t work at the 2nd most important defensive position on the field.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I had a double-take moment the other day...

…looking at Theriot’s UZR/UZR 150 numbers at SS. They are surprisingly good given his awful reputation as a defender. And his 2007 numbers at SS (in 108 games) are downright remarkable. I’ve just started trying to get into defensive metrics, so I’m about as far from an expert as possible. But how can this be?

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well there was a thread on ACB (I know I can't provide a link, so I'll just tell you)

Where Maddog pointed out that Theriot is actually quite good, based on game by game data, at dealing with pop ups/fly balls and turning double plays(I’m not so sure about this part though) in regards to a league average SS. Also Theriot only had about 880 innings at short in 07 so there was potential for his defensive value to be overstated. As I said 1000 innings or so is a reasonable, but not perfect sample size for to make cursory judgments.

When he played 1200+ innings at short last year his UZR/UZR150 dropped to 1.2/1.6 runs as opposed to the 4.8/9.0 he posted in 07.

His career numbers are more accurate at 5.0/3.9.

Dewan has him as pretty much above average as well. In 2007 Theriot was +5 and ranked 13th among MLB shortstops and in 2008 he was +6 (12th best).
The two best stats on Defense (Dewan +/- and Litchman’s UZR) have him as average.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, interesting.

I swear, Theriot is like the Little Engine That Could come to life. Thanks for the info!

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you say scrap or crap.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 10, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is negligible.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles and Theriot up the middle.

That is one hell of a scrappy double play combination.

by Madlarkin on Mar 10, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A veritable scrapfest.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 10, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope Koyie

Has a good day…I want him to beat out Bako.

by sloathcheck78 on Mar 10, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also scrappy.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bat

Bradley lead off I say.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

His OBA average would support that

But how is he on the base paths?

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easily injured.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most likely

the same way I am in bed, lame.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 10, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmm...ST Gameday

Anyone wanna call a simulated game while waiting for innings to end?

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Either the Cubs are having a huge first inning or Gameday is messed up.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope they're done

wiht a hit an error no runs.

by sloathcheck78 on Mar 10, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

top 1

Miles reaches on error
Theriot single
Hoffpauir fly out (Where are the EA photos!)
Fox fly out
Fontenot ground out

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al, when you go down to AZ...

…you should bring a huge sign with Erin’s picture on it and flash it everytime Micah comes to the plate.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You supply the picture.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

Why don’t you post it?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, awesome.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd probably look like that, too

If Pitino was throwing a fit in front of me. Then I’d heckle him.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom 1

Gutierrez LO 1
Bettancourt 2B
Griffey GO 4-3
Beltre FO 9

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what??

no harden strikeout? what is this world coming to?

by lswaidz on Mar 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He got one in the 2nd

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh thank god

i can sleep easy tonight.

by lswaidz on Mar 10, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets not jump off the ledge so fast

so many of you are going to hang Bradley and decide he half assed based off a reporter writing in DFW, without at least waiting to see if ANY of it is valid, or if it is just b.s. space filler for their paper.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Top 3

Johnson FO 8
Dirty Deeds GO 3-1
Hill FO 8

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Grr - Top 2

Stupid fingers

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont you hate when the keys do not agree with your fingers?

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom *2*

Branyan GO 3
Balentien 1B
Wilson K
R. Johnson FO R. Johnson (8)

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just liked the juxtaposition

It’s an out

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At half...

Liverpool leads Real Madrid 2-0 (3-0 AGG)

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soccer makes no sense to me.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me either.

A team scored two goals in one half? That’s like a baseball team leading 15-0 in the fourth inning.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just can't take a game seriously

when a tie is an accepted result. Just so weird.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ding ding!

I’m glad the NHL finally wisened up.

make*art

by neverAcquiesce on Mar 10, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Living over here...

I’ve been forcing myself to watch when it’s in HD since it’s the only HD sport I get. It’s making a little more sense, but there’s still too many ties and too little scoring.

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the announcers

who over dramatize every little moment. What? The blue team kicked it around a bit and now the red team has it? Yeah, same thing happened twenty minutes ago.

make*art

by neverAcquiesce on Mar 10, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

few years back, in the uefa championship

liverpool were down by 3 at the half, and in the span of 6 minutes i believe (correct me if wrong), they tied the match, deadlocked till the end, and somehow won it in penalty kicks. probably the most amazing thing i’ve ever seen.

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Mar 10, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always...

Nobody in the US cares and MLS is going bankrupt…

But ManU would still beat both clubs. ;-)

by lswaidz on Mar 10, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,

Man Utd is already out of Champions competition…

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So?

That doesn’t mean I can’t be a good little hooligan and bust some skulls in their honor.

by lswaidz on Mar 10, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if you can sing the Manchester United theme song....

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was

…mighty good lads!

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur.

Great stuff.

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes it is

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i LOVE that movie

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Mar 10, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AGG!!! A soccer score!

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gerrard GOAL for Liverpool

3-0 now in the 47th minute.

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Madrid should just roll over

They’re meat.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Madrid's defense...

They aren’t as bad as Sporting Lisbon – down 4-1 vs Bayern Munich (and down 9-1 in the aggregate score)

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5-nil in the first match

Means that you shouldn’t bother showing up for the second match unless you’re taking part of the gate receipts.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's worth noting

…the first match was on Lisbon’s pitch. This one is in Munich at Allianz Arena.

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup - no need to travel for that

Send the Juniors squad to play the second match

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes you wonder

How they made it to the round of 16.

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by sanantonecub on Mar 10, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Bradley...

… you might expect me to take a side against Bradley and the Cubs. No, not this time. Have a great year Milton and make people forget that stuff.

by DrCrawdad on Mar 10, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Top 3 (for real this time)

Taguchi FO 9
Miles 1B
Theriot FO 8
Hoffpauir K (still no EA love)

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Damnit, I'm tellin' ya...

…we are crippled without audio or video coverage – and so is he!

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moment of Silence

For Cedeno’s first AB v. the Cubs

by lswaidz on Mar 10, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They're just preserving the moment

Or it’s a long half-inning. Your choice.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes. it appears that way on my iPhone.

I guess it has something to do with Cedeno.

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Mar 10, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we fear pitching to Cedeno

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cedeno got a single

now Dempster is in

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by LAcarl519 on Mar 10, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as long as they are not looking for pieces of hardens arm

i do not mind having a little waiting period

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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Demp came in to face Cedeno

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Savvy move by Lou.

Bring in the COOGY.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO

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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are on a roll

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just make sure you save some funny

for the season.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster in for Harden in the 3rd

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2 for dempster

then 3 or 4 for heilman? is that the plan?

by brian custer on Mar 10, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guiterrez GIDP

Bettancort Triple
Griff K
Inning Ova

by lswaidz on Mar 10, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that DP saved Dempster's butt

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Mar 10, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

::technical balk::

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My brain just imploded.

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom 3

Cedeno 1B
Gutierrez GIDP 4-6-3
Bettancourt 3B
Griffey K

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Potential

If Harden stays healthy and Marshall lives up to potential this is going to be a freaking awesome starting rotation.

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by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 10, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not for long

yay for flooding and NOW a freeze warning. A low of 13 tonight.

I’m so ready for summer.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ice skating, anyone?

My sig line is out for jury duty.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its only 79 here

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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never been

I can’t roller skate… I have a feeling ice skating would be ugly.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live in Tallahassee now

At least you have seasons.

We get down to 60, and people are wearing coats.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep we have seasons

sometimes all 4 of them within the same day!!

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know the feeling

I am at the poolwith a beer, while others are wearing jackets

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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding!

60 today, 15 by tomorrow night!

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Mar 10, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love you optimism

2 large “ifs” — but I couldn’t agree more.

by socalbob on Mar 10, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are they still playing the baseball contest?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 10, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the Cubs are winning 5-0.

Anyone else want to fill in the details?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

Last I heard, Marshall was brought in to face Cedeno after Milton Bradley had charged the umpire and Ryan Theriot had broken Harden’s arm into pieces.

I think. I’m just going by the game thread…

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top 4 - Offensive Explosion!

Fox BB
LBR 2B (1-0 Cubs)
Batista in for Olson
Johnson FO 8
Deeds 2B (2-0 Cubs)
Hill 1B (adv. on E)
Taguchi 1B (4-0 Cubs)
Miles BB
WP (both advance)
Theriot SF (5-0 Cubs)
Hoffpauir K (No EA)

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the update.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theriot sac fly???

How do you hit a sac fly on the ground?

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by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just go by what MLB tells me

They could be lying

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't.

It was a fly to CF.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 10, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean, it wasn't even to right?

Okay, you just blew my mind.

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by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blind squirrels and all that

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice bench explosion

If we can get that kind of production from them consistently

by cubsonWGN4ever on Mar 10, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and no HRs.

scrappy.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 10, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone have Hoff's K:BB ratio for the Spring?

I've told you a million times never to exaggerate!!

by pscrblazer on Mar 10, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

do you have the splits as well

by AB w/ and w/o EA

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

7k 2bb

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?c_id=chc

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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally what we want in our off-the bench pinch hitter.

not.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 10, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listening to the Indians broadcast on mlb.com

Woody is coming in for his 1st spring training appearance at the top of the next inning.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Mar 10, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

JINX

I was just about to post that. I’m Iming with my friend in Cleveland and she just told me.

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by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 10, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, no Tom Hamilton on the broadcast,

2 boring guys are broadcasting the game.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Mar 10, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Also between innings the Cubs cured cancer and AIDS and forged peace in the middle east.

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by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 10, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the Dow Jones?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Up ~380 today

Obviously, on news that Dempster would be pitching

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Demp/Harden/Wood

all pitching in the same day

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

should have been

the 7th, 8th and 9th inning of today’s game.

by socalbob on Mar 10, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alls right in the world

2 canadians and a texan. What more could the world want?

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by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 10, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides

Besides all 3 on the CUbs that is!

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by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 10, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but somehow could not cure Prior?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 11, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this, is the reason

that i’m a cubs fan. it’s not just about baseball.

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Mar 10, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seems like a quick inning for Dempster

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Mar 10, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

demp in for a quickie?

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom 4

Beltre FO 8
Branyan FO 7
Balentien GO 6-3

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the pbp

gameday seems to be frozen for me

by cubsonWGN4ever on Mar 10, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ST Gameday only updates between half-innings

Pain in my butt.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 10, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given the new "most realistic mlb videogame ever" advertisements for that mlb videogame

I wonder how long it will be before they actually recreate the game with animated characters in gameday. Would be pretty neat.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Mar 10, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that'd drive me batty

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 10, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sheesh

I step away for an hour and come back to find Hawkiarrhea all over this thread

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 10, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hawkiarrhea

Somebody put that in the BCB dictionary, please.

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by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

“spit Diet Coke at the screen” funny! LMAO!

by socalbob on Mar 10, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

who knew, huh?

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by hal