Go On Down To Camelback Ranch: Cubs vs. Dodgers at Glendale, Tuesday 3/17, 3:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Mar 17, 2009 1:00 PM CDT
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PrintThe Cubs will spend St. Patrick's Day at the newest spring training colossus complex playing the Dodgers. Randy Wolf will be LA's starter (will Joe Torre bat him second again?) against Carlos Zambrano.
One Dodger we will not see today is Manny Ramirez -- he's out for at least the rest of the week with a sore hammy. Which has to be making Torre, Ned Colletti and Dodger fans say, "Uh-oh", about their $25 million investment.
Other Cub notes:
- Carlos Zambrano has a surprise for us: he grew up a White Sox fan. And still likes them. (Hopefully, not when we play them.)
- Bruce Miles writes that Lou would like to see his power hitters start hitting, especially Derrek Lee, who is hitting .179. However, I would remind Lou that D-Lee hit .163 last spring and then had a torrid April. (If only he could have kept that up all year.)
- Jeff Samardzija still has a shot at a bullpen role even after his bad outing yesterday. That may mean that guys like Chad Gaudin and Luis Vizcaino might find themselves out of jobs or traded.
No audio or video for today's game, but here's today's MLB.com Mediacenter anyway.
MLB.com Gameday for the Cubs/Dodgers game
There are two WBC games today: the USA/Puerto Rico game will be good news for the Cubs, because the loser is eliminated; that means either Ted Lilly or Geovany Soto will be coming back to camp. Lilly starts tonight for the USA at 6 pm CDT (MLB Network). MLB.com Gameday for Puerto Rico/USA. Also tonight, Japan plays Korea (10 pm CDT, MLB Network). The winner qualifies for the semifinals, the loser plays Cuba tomorrow. MLB.com Gameday for Japan/Korea.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
Did you get Bud's permission
to use his logo?
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
Ever since a couple years ago
when Z said if he could pitch for another team it would be the sox, i knew that he was deep down a sox fan.
Jim thome is a cubs fan!
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
He and Ozzie
I think they are either related or there’s some kind of connection between them. Someone told me Carlos’s older brother is close friends with Ozzie or something like that.
I did hear Ozzie is the one who tipped off the scouts to Z.
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by puckishcubsfan on Mar 17, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Z has said that before...
…and it’s fairly well known that he and Ozzie are friends. It’s not a big deal to me.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Me neither.
Really couldn’t care less.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
how many players
actually play for the team they cheered on as a kid. it is no bog deal, and should not even be news worthy of discussion IMO
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Roster cuts announced
Via press release:
The Chicago Cubs today sent nine players to minor league camp, reducing their spring roster from 54 to 45 players.
Right-handed pitchers Mitch Atkins, Justin Berg and Jeff Stevens were optioned to Triple-A Iowa. Righthander Marcos Mateo was optioned to Double-A Tennessee.
Five non-roster invitees have been assigned to minor league camp: catcher Welington Castillo, infielders Darwin Barney and Luis Rivas and outfielders Doug Deeds and Jason Dubois.
Chicago’s spring roster of 45 players consists of 22 pitchers (five non-roster invitees), four catchers (one non-roster invitee), 10 infielders (four non-roster invitees) and nine outfielders (one non-roster invitee).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Or the Purple Evolutionist.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Or Luis "Oafer" Rivas.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
so...
… Mark DeRosa is traded for 3 guys who will not have an impact on this club, at least to start the season. Again, I understand the financial implications. I do not believe that Hendry could not have gotten some piece, however, that would have helped this club.
The 12 (sometimes 11) pitchers that start the season
are not the only pitching a team needs to get through a 162 game season. Teams use around 20 pitchers throughout a season so it’s very possible any of the pitchers being sent to the minor leagues to start the season will end up in the majors at some point.
Here’s an example: Carlos Marmol was sent to the minors in 2007 to start and ended up spending most of the season with the Cubs pitching out of the bullpen.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 17, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It made very little sense.
The DeRosa and Pie deals were just unnecessary and counterproductive.
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the DeRosa deal was a money swap for Bradley's contract...
so we won’t know how counterproductive it is until after we see what Bradley does this year.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
So was the Wood deal, though.
The Cubs shed a lot of payroll in those 2 moves.
I realize that it was necessary to cut payroll and get Bradley, due in large part to the $36M the Cubs still owe to the utterly useless Kosuke Fukudome for the next three years.
That being said, DeRosa had value – especially with only 1 year left on his deal at a reasonable rate. Do you honestly believe that there was no team in MLB willing to deal a legitimate prospect for him?
In judging the DeRosa trade, yes, we need to consider what Bradley does this year — but we also need to consider what DeRosa does this year vs. both Bradley and Fontenot, and what the 3 Tribe arms we got for DeRosa do in the coming years. (In all likelihood, not a whole heck of a lot.)
In theory, I agree that it was a good time to sell high on DeRosa. In practice, it doesn’t seem to have been worth the trouble.
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And I think you make a key point
“It was a good time to sell high on DeRosa.”
But Hendry didn’t act like he was selling high. The prospects — and I use the term loosely — that he got back were more like those you would get when you trade a player a year late, not a year early. (See: Sammy Sosa)
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
“Selling high” presumes that you’re getting something worthwhile for your asset.
The Cubs did not get anything worthwhile for DeRosa. Which was surprising, and makes me question whether it was worth the trouble to sell “high” in the first place.
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Dont forget this...never forget this...
Mike Fontenot was pretty much a ‘throw-in’ to the deal that sent Sosa to Baltimore.
If the Orioles really believed in LBR, why would they part with him for Sammy?
by northernsails on Mar 17, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry if the meaning there was unclear...
I was debating the “uselessness” of anything Jim Hendry does. He does a lot of things right for this ballclub. Give him a chance.
by northernsails on Mar 17, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
not true at all
It may have been a money swap but that doesn’t mean that Hendry was not allowed to get something decent in return for DeRosa. The money stuff aside Hendry got crap for DeRosa while the Phillies and Twins remained interested.
lets wait and see
I am sure the Marlins fans said the same with a young Dontrell Willis, and Oriole fans were asking why we wanted LBR in the trade
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Are you guys kidding?
I know it’s St. Patty’s day, but there is no way you can be THAT drunk already. Take an Economics class and then write me a paper on why the team couldn’t keep Pie and DeRosa. 500 words minimum.
by 14theofleury on Mar 17, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, explain why Pie and his minimum deal needed to go.
(clock is running)
How, exactly, does a team save cash while dealing a player earning the league minimum?
Especially when he’s replaced with an older, less effective player who is making more money?
Seriously, though, I’m sure you can explain how the Pie deal saved a single dime for the Cubs. With your Economics Class background, I’m sure it will be simple for you.
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The painful fact is...
the Pie trade wasn’t about saving $. Lou had reached the end of his patience with him…whether you agree he gave Pie a fair shot or not…and it was time to move on for both of them.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
that's the way it worked out.
I just get a bit testy when some poster tells me that I need to go to Economics class because it’s so obvious that trading Felix Pie saved the team money.
It was a stupid trade. And if Lou caused it, shame on him. Hendry should be able to stand up to his field manager w/r/t roster composition, regardless.
The Pie trade made the Cubs a worse team in 2008, and potentially substantially worse during the remainder of Pie’s cost-controlled years. Hendry should not have done it.
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Some Poster?
Think of me as the Farrah Fawcett of posters.
by 14theofleury on Mar 17, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Three words
Out of options.
There was no room on the roster for some dude who wasn’t ready.
Therefore, it could be said that Reed Johnson had a comparative advantage.
by 14theofleury on Mar 17, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Not bad for someone who's working on an Econ Minor
Thanks, self!
by 14theofleury on Mar 17, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Three words
Joey Freaking Gathright.
More expensive, same skillset, several years older. Less production now, dramatically less production over the next 4 years.
If there’s room on the 25-man for Gathright, there sure as spit was room for Pie.
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by D98 on Mar 17, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can you jump over a car?
‘Cause I can’t…
He’s a speed guy with a better bat than Fast Freddy Bynum.
If we’re not going to talk Robert Reich or Paul Krugman, then just have Al ban me.
I’m out! Game’s on TV! Peace
by 14theofleury on Mar 17, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree
But, after signing Gathright, Pie had no spot on the team.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not like we won the WS with him or anything...jeeze.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not pissing and moaning about not having DeRosa....
I’m pissing and moaning about having Bradley.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You didn't
have to say it, its obvious what you think of me.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
And by "having Bradley"...
I mean “paying him $ (respect) to play baseball”….which we won’t know how much of that he’ll actually do over the course of the contract.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot
of his money in that contract is incentives, if he stays healthy. I dont think its anything to complain about.
You're a Cubs fan, right?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Someone needs to remind Z....
that in the AL pitchers don’t bat (besides Interleague of course) then he will never want to switch sides!
I think he already knows that.
The Yankees would have loved to have him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
The Manny hammy is the same injury
he’s been battling for a few years if I remember right. He’s getting old, Coletti shouldn’t be surprised that more nagging injuries are starting to crop up.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions
Imagine if it flares up versus the Marlins after he hits a grand slam.
After granny, Manny hammy hampers Manny in Miami.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Is it absolutely horrible of me that I
hope that happens? Just for the headlines?
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think he remembers this time which hamstring is injured?
That seemed to have been the issue last year with the Red Sox, he first said one leg was injured but when examined told the medical person it was the other leg.
Kind of reminds me of the story of the little boy that cried wolf.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 17, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Why after reading that headline
do I suddenly want the “Moons over My Hammy” from Denny’s?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Well, I can only assume that...
…you’re drunk, it’s 2 am and the bars are all closed.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
I wish.
However, there’s a chance this weekend that it will occur…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
LOL
Greg Maddux could put a baseball through a Life Saver if you asked him. ~ Joe Morgan
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Mar 17, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
And a new euphemism is born.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
+1
I was led to believe that injuries only happened in the WBC.
by madeindetroit on Mar 17, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Team USA manager Davey Johnson says he would forfeit the rest of the games
before risking injury to any of the Major Leaguers.
Imagine the recourse if Team USA pulled out of competition at this point. Tonight’s game may be interesting for the wrong reasons.
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Rotoworld posts that Rocky Cherry Released
by the Mets. They got him via Rule 5.
Orioles declined getting him back, making him a free agent.
Not saying I want him back, just passing along the info.
I didn't realize how old Cherry is.
He’s 29. I suspect his time is done.
Too bad the Orioles declined; it would have made Cherry and Pie teammates again.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Can't the Mets send him to the minors if the Orioles declined to take him back?
Or do the Mets not want him at all? That seems strange though. You’d think they’d want to send him to the minors as a just in case player.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 17, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, I think the reason he is a free agent
is that he has already been out righted by the Orioles (which is why he was available for the rule 5 draft as he was no longer on the 40 man roster).
If I recall correctly, after a player is out righted the second time, he becomes a free agent.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 17, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Warrant Disapproves
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Man, they could've sung the national anthem at Camden Yards and everything.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Would have been a fitting conclusion
to their VH1 “Bands Reunited” special.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
That's kind of a bummer.
I liked him, but I’m a sucker for a name like that.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
We need to get him
so he and Rocky Roquet (sp?) can be roomies
by chitownhawkeye on Mar 17, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs lineup from Muskat Love
LF Alfonso Soriano,
2B Miles,
CF Reed Johnson,
1B Derrek Lee,
RF So Taguchi,
3B Koskie,
C Koyie Hill,
SS Andres Blanco,
P Carlos Zambrano
D’oh…better get to my meeting.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Bet RJ's psyched to bat 3rd!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 17, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Good to see Koskie in there.
Hopefully he can still hit.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
I thought it was funny ...
that Z thought Wood was a racist at first. Made me chuckle, for some reason.
Dodgers lineup per Gameday
Furcal, SS
Hudson, 2B
Ethier, RF
Loney, 1B
Blake, 3B
Kemp, CF
Pierre, LF
Ellis, C
Wolf, p
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Wolf batting 9th?
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Torre's really losing his touch.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
If Manny's not playing
does he still get the mango-scented towels that exist at the Camelback Ranch?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Only if he pays the $100 for the seat.
at that price, he could pay for 250,000 of them.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I'm sure Boras worked it into his contract
All of Manny’s towels are mango-scented.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Hey, Al, is the title of this post a Springsteen reference?
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
A little late with this reply.
But yes, it was.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Is Bradley OK? Still trying to fight off that nasty flu?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions
Thats what Gordo's saying on twitter
cst_cubsCubs dropping like flies in spring soup: DLee scratched (sore quad), Gathright at dentist (sore tooth), Bradley still out w/ flu.17 minutes ago from txt
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats what it says
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
That's ... weird
I mean, I could see it if he’d just gotten a wisdom tooth extracted or something.
I would imagine this is a spring thing. I can’t see someone saying, “Coach, I can’t play in Game 7. My tooth’s sore.”
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
Yeah
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, at least D-Lee can still hit in BP.
Of course, that isn’t the problem here. The problem is that he can’t make good contact when people are trying to get him out.
He can’t recognize breaking stuff anymore, or at least not until it’s too late. So he’s trying to pull outside sliders, and watching meatball fastballs.
He’s such a good guy…. but it’s a shame that Hendry wasn’t able to move him this offseason. It’s also a shame that his injuries and/or age-related decline have made him into a below-average 1B at such a young age, and honestly, it’s a shame that he had a career year in his 2005 contract season, which was wasted on a mediocre-to-bad Cubs team.
If Lee hadn’t been so great in 2005, the Cubs wouldn’t be spending 8 figures on the least valuable 1B in the division.
It still amazes me that the Cubs are spending $40M on Lee, Fukudome, and Soriano. How can that even be possible?! We actually cringe when we see those players coming up in big spots.
For that kind of money, we could have Mark Teixeira and Manny Ramirez.
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Joey Votto and Adam LaRoche are more valuable than Derrek Lee?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Votto, absolutely.
LaRoche, in 2008, yes. Going forward, I don’t know.
Votto was more valuable than Lee in 2008, and their relative values on a going forward basis are not even in the same ballpark. If the Cubs offered D-Lee for Votto, they would be laughed out of the room.
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Lee's a "below-average 1B"?
I hope you mean just his bat.
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
The reply button is my friend
Must be lingering flu-like symptoms.
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
lingering? or building up to them?
I've told you a million times never to exaggerate!!
Lingering
I brought it in, and I’m planning on seeing it out.
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Just like Milton,
I should have flu-like symptoms tomorrow.
by 14theofleury on Mar 17, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Average with the glove,
well below average with the bat.
For a starting 1B, that is. In the full universe of first basemen, including backups, he’s probably somewhat above average.
On a cost-for-production basis, he’s probably dead last.
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2007 Gold Glove winner == Average with the glove
Gotcha. There’s no beer here, I’m going where there is some. Have fun.
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Come on, that's not an argument.
We can all stipulate that gold gloves are given out for random reasons that have very little to do with defensive performance.
I mean, Bobby Abreu won one in 2005, and he was Manny-level bad. Rafael Palmiero won one in a year in which he never actually played defense. Jeter won one.
That being said, Lee used to be way above average with the glove. In 2008, he was not.
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His starting shortstop last year was Ryan Theriot....
and he only had 9 errors. End of story.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll agree Theriot is bad
But if it was a bad throw, the error’s likely on Theriot, not Lee.
"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08
The argument is that Lee prevents Theriot errors.
I don’t buy it, but I can understand the logic.
Lee is still a good fielder. He’s no Mark Teixiera with the glove, but he’s good.
I just don’t think that 1B defense is worth taking the hit on offense. 1B defense is more like a “perk” than a prerequisite when we’re discussing $10M+ first basemen.
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OH
THERIOT only had 9 errors. I see now.
"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08
no...Theriot only had 14....
now imagine how many he’d have if Lance Berkman was our 1B.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a career high for Theriot, though.
Granted, he’d never played 140 games at SS before, but the jump to 14 errors last year may be further evidence of what we all saw with our eyes last year – Lee wasn’t the great defensive player that he’d been in the past.
You couldn’t count on Lee stopping those rocket line-drives he’d always stopped in prior years.
As for Lee’s 9 errors last year – isn’t that quite a few for a 1B?
I mean, Jason Giambi had 9 errors too, and he hadn’t played 1B in years, because he was moved to DH, because he was such an awful 1B.
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Jason Giambi 9 errors in 113 games – shortstop Jeter
Derrek Lee 9 errors in 153 games – shortstop DoubleClutchy McLimpArm
Yeah…Giambi’s about the same defensively.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't the SABR types call Jeter the worst glove in MLB?
Regardless of position?
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Glove and Arm are 2 different things.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think anybody could have looked at Lee last year
and tell he wasn’t the same guy.
I don’t remember the specific plays, but I remember seeing a couple of plays where I thought: “That’s not like Lee at all.”
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
That's all I'm saying.
He was still fine at 1B. But he wasn’t as good as he’d been in the past, and you could tell.
At the plate, well…. when you’re a beat slower with the bat, it’s a lot more obvious. No power whatsoever, and a whole lot of getting fooled by breaking pitches.
For what it’s worth, 2010 is the last year on Lee’s contract. One way or another, this situation will be resolved by the end of next year.
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What position (besides Catcher) is worth taking the hit on offense?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Shortstop, and potentially second and centerfield.
First base is like left field – it’s a place where you can put a high-offense player, because the impact of their defensive performance is usually pretty muted. It’s a low-leverage defense position.
Catcher, obviously, is just huge on defense. As long as the player isn’t a Bako-level hitter, defense is key. A Michael Barrett can cost far more games with his glove than he can possibly win with his bat.
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I think that "he's a Gold Glover!" is what got us Izturis.
Izturis had the rare distinction of being an absolutely miserable offensive player while also being a terrible defensive player.
What I’m saying is, the value of defense at SS is more important than the value of defense at 1B.
Obviously, you’d prefer to have big hitters at every position. But the difference between playing the best defensive 1B in the league, and the worst defensive 1B in the league, just isn’t going to have the same kind of impact.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
I was kind of joking
Probably should have said so …
No, I don’t think you need a masher at SS, but I think it’s possible to balance offense and defense. Yes, I’d prefer a defensive SS, but I’m also not sure I want 2008-vintage Omar Vizquel
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
Looks like Lee was scratched from the lineup
Jake Fox is in, hitting fourth, playing 1B.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
He's sick of all this jokers on BCB talkin' smack about him...
…and he’s logging on right now to set the record straight.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Muskat says its a quad problem:
Cubs first baseman Derrek Lee was scratched from Tuesday’s lineup because of a sore right quad. It’s apparently been bothering him for a couple days. His status is day to day. Jake Fox started at first base.
Joey Gathright also was unavailable. He went to see a dentist. And Milton Bradley was still sidelined with the flu.
I have no idea what is wrong with Gathright that would cause him to see a dentist.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
preventing potential
abcessed batting average?
Better than a urologist.
"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08
Free Online Video
Don’t see this mentioned here, but you can watch the game online from Dodgers.com.
nice! thanks!
I've told you a million times never to exaggerate!!
Thanks, obscure Aztec deity.
By the way, that link didn’t work for me, but I went to the Dodgers Web site and got through.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Looks like they are doing the normal URL refresh every 30 seconds or so
Didn’t think they would bother for a free stream. Probably have to go to the Dodgers website to get a usable link.
very odd. this must be a feed
that the Dodgers plan to show on PrimeSports tonight. The game is not being show on DirecTV in LA.
Thanks for decreasing my productivity at work! :-)
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
Freakin' A, man
Thanks for the heads-up!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 17, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
someone should post this somewhere more people will become aware
im just excited for the bonus baseball :-)
Big Z three run shot!
I've told you a million times never to exaggerate!!
damn
i wish i’d seen that
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
These Dodger announcers are from the School of Boredom
what are they going to sound like when the AA boyz are in the game?
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
They don't inspire me to purchase
Farmer John sausages at all.
(Ask a Dodger fan if you don’t get the reference)
by 14theofleury on Mar 17, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe we can work towards the Curb Your Enthusiasm when
Larry David picked up a hooker so he could use the car pool lane to get to Dodgers Stadium. What a classic!
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
And Larry David
Saved a guy from the electric chair using that episode. Classic on more than one level.
by 14theofleury on Mar 17, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
How many innings is Z expected to go?
Anyone know?
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions
i just love the blurps of play by play sprinkled in with the conversation
these guys should have a 1am Sunday morning talk show on NPR
Where are you getting the audio?
"What, you want to tempt the wrath of whatever from high atop the thing?"
-Toby Ziegler
See above.
The Dodgers Web site is offering a free video stream.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
ST or not
2 out walks really piss me off
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions
I bet not as much as the one-out bunt pisses me off ;)
I mean, if we’re talking baseball pet peeves here …
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
I always wondered how golf announcers would sound if they did baseball games...
I wonder no more.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Totally.
I’m waiting for someone to make a putt.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
then we all would politely do the golf clap...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
that bad, huh?
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
It's LA announcers...
they won’t really start talking about the game until the 3rd inning, and they’ll probably stop again after the 7th.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that my computer monitor
Or did the Dodgers do the green cap thing?
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
do what?
help a blind girl out, yo.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
They're wearing green caps
The whole St. Patrick’s Day idea.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
good lord
it feels like st pattys has been going on since the parade on saturday. the next person who says something to me about not wearing green SO gets kicked in the shins.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Dodgers are wearing green caps. Haven't seen if the Cubs are yet or not.
Most teams do this on St. Patricks Day. Sometimes caps/uniforms are auctioned off for charity.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Big Z is wearing one.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
is Fontenot wearing little green knickers
and gold buckles on his shoes?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Nah. People would keep wrestling him to the ground...
…and demanding he show them the way to a pot o’ gold.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Ugh
My Internet made the video all choppy, so I couldn’t watch it long
At least I don’t have to watch the green caps.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
I had the same problem.
I’m just listening to the audio now.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
As are
da Cubs.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 17, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Big Z doubles in a run!!!
Who needs The Game?!
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
random
but your sig makes me giggle every time.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a great line, isn't it?
I wonder how long Fontenot is going to put up with everyone calling him “little,” though. It must get annoying.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Pleading his case to be moved up in the order?
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
If he looks like he's in this game, he does look difference
Because he’s in Miami right now.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
Sac fly makes it 6-1 Cubs.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
RBI Single
for Miles. 7-1
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 17, 2009 4:01 PM CDT reply actions
RBI single for Miles, 7-1 Cubs
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
So far Lou's comments about the power hitters needing to begin hitting are working....
for our ace pitcher.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions
Hey...I like this funky country music.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
My wife's socks are more funky than that music
And she washes her socks.
by 14theofleury on Mar 17, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't exactly P-Funk, was it?
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Not exactly George Clinton. More like Bill Clinton.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 17, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Gameday has gone off to Zombie land
Orlando Hudson is apparently recording the longest fly out in league history. Or the world slowest grounds crew or something.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions
I guess they got the message
that the Dodgers were b’castin’ for free.
by 14theofleury on Mar 17, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys don't mind if I pick my gee-tar, do ya?
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Koskie at the plate.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
BB
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 17, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Draws the walk.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Gone!!
For Koyie Hill!! He’s now 3-3 on the day. Very nice!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 17, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
Boom goes the dynamite
Koyie Hill trying to make Bako irrelevant
"What, you want to tempt the wrath of whatever from high atop the thing?"
-Toby Ziegler
Uh oh...somebody busted out their slide guitar.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Koyie Hill should be the backup catcher, period.
he’s proven his worth, what a great story
#34: You'll be missed!
by Chanman25 on Mar 17, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
As opposed to
the sure and steady bat of Paul Bako.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 17, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't say that
I just remember Hill being an exciting player a couple of years ago … and then, he started hitting in the low .200s
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
Yes.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 17, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
At least they waited until the 6th
ESPN starts before the first pitch.
This is the most animated they've sounded all day.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Wry
Tight doubles off the wall.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 17, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions
Cubs retiring 31?
Friend just called me and said that ESPN 1000 reported that the cubs were gonna retire 31 for Maddux and Jenkins. Nothing yet online but anyone hear this?
on the Sun Times website
http://blogs.suntimes.com/fullcourtpress/2009/03/cubs_to_retire_no_31_in_honor.html
will happen May 3rd before the Marlins game.
That'll be cool.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
pain in the neck
If Maddux comes , I have to come and I was not planning on coming that weekend but at least I did not sell my tickets yet.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 17, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I would assume...
… that this was scheduled so Maddux and Jenkins could come in. If they aren’t there it would be the worst retirement ceremony ever.
heh heh... Monday says Miles is only 5'8" but don't sell him short...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Good hustle on the
part of Miles. Infield single on a ball hit towards second base.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 17, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions
And then RJ
came up and knocked in two on a gapper to left-center.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 17, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions
These guys are somehow making an 11-3 blowout of the Dodgers boring as hell.
Maybe that’s their strategy.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
This is painful to listen to.
I actually muted my headphones a few minutes ago. I’m sure they still sound like bad actors reading from a script.
“The pitch. It’s a fastball. The batter swings. Contact. The ball is flying on an angular trajectory towards the left quadrant of the field. The ball has left the park.”
I know...I get more emotion from the data that comes up on Gameday.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Sean Marshall in to pitch.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
3 up, 3 down for Marshall.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
It is a special St. Paddy's appearence
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 17, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
He's awfully tall for a leprechaun.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
To me it look like a leprechaun?
anyone else who seen the leprechaun say YEEAH!!!
#34: You'll be missed!
YEEAH!!!!!!!!!!!
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
My sheleighly likes this.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Tasteless T-shirt of the day award goes to...
Saw a guy walking with his girlfriend in Wrigleyville today. They both appeared to be suffering from flu-like symptoms. Guy was wearing a shirt that said…
“You must be Irish ’cause my dick is Dublin”
I suppose if I were younger that’d probably seem funny-cool, but now it just seems funny-sad. It’s hell being mature and all that…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
that shirt happens to be on the same site for sale
that the BCB shirt is from
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Really? Seems like it's been much longer.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You're old school.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
REALLY? WOW!
I wonder how often he gets the flu?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 17, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
at least MB doesnt have beer goggles
signing with the Nats
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
It's now an annual event...
Zambrano’s March 16, 2008 profession of Sox-love:
"I told my family and my friends that before my career ends, I want to play for the White Sox. Right now, my priority is helping this club. That’s what I am trying to do. But I used to be, when I was growing up, I was a White Sox fan. But every time I say that, the Chicago Cubs fans get jealous and pissed off.’’ - Carlos Zambrano, as quoted in the Sun-Times, March 16, 2008
Zambrano’s March 17, 2009 profession of Sox-love:
‘’I want it to be in a White Sox uniform.’’ What? This isn’t the kind of thing that will go over well with Cubs fans…"For me, it was the White Sox.’’
"...and when it comes to baseball -- we have two favorite clubs, the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs." - Southside Irish by Tom MacEldowny
Zambrano’s 2008 profession of Sox-love discussed here.
"...and when it comes to baseball -- we have two favorite clubs, the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs." - Southside Irish by Tom MacEldowny
Also...
Are you fucking high?
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Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
A dear "dtpollitt" letter...
I’m waiting for Crawdad… – dtpollitt on Mar 4, 2009
CRAWDAD…YOU WHITE SOX GONNA GET OWNED TODAY! I hope Ozzie gives us some good material to work with… – dtpollitt on Feb 28, 2009
Paging crawdad… – dtpollitt on Feb 17, 2009
Crawdad – dtpollitt on Jan 18, 2009
Paging Crawdad…- dtpollitt on Jan 8, 2009
Paging Crawdad… – dtpollitt on Dec 3, 2008
Seriously Crawdad. – dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008
Where’s DrCrawdad? – dtpollitt on Oct 6, 2008
Paging DrCrawdad… – dtpollitt on Aug 3, 2008
And this was certainly touching…
Crawdad! I missed you! – dtpollitt on Jan 1, 2009
Sorry if this breaks your fragile heart but I’m not attracted to you. That’s not my bag, baby. Now quit stalking me!
"...and when it comes to baseball -- we have two favorite clubs, the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs." - Southside Irish by Tom MacEldowny
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