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How to torque off a Cubs fan (without really trying)

A guide for broadcasters (some of whom we will only listen to this time of year because there isn’t always a WGN feed).

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1.  Talk about the curse as much as possible.  Remember, there are several to choose from; make sure and cover them all!  Accuracy isn’t as important as pointing out that your team has been to a World Series in the last 64 years (or didn’t exist).  High points include:

--1945:  Some guy brings a goat to the game.  He gets refused entry, or thrown out, or the goat eats PK Wrigley’s hat and throws up on the ivy.  Or something.  Seriously, it was 1945.  Cubs lose.

--1969:  A cat crosses Ron Santo’s path at Shea.  As a result he contracts diabetes.  Cubs lose.

--1984:  Bowie Kuhn tells the Cubs that they have to install lights to play in the post-season.  After a group of irate Cubs fans torch his car, Kuhn resigns, handing the reins over to Peter Ueberroth and secretly traveling to San Diego to ensure a Cubs loss in the NLCS using his ninja skills obtained from the secret training given to all Commissioners of Baseball (how else do you explain Bud Selig?).  Also, there was some thoughtcrime or doublespeak or something.  Cubs lose.  (Ueberroth finally forced the Cubs to install lights in 1988 by threatening to make them play their post-season games at Comiskey.)

--1989:  The Cubs, like many animals, were thrown off by the impending earthquake when they got to San Francisco.  Cubs lose.

--1998:  Three words:  Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux.  Cubs lose.

--2003:  Some @$$#0!€ with a seat on the line... too soon?  Too soon.

--There are also some theories that involve events before 1945.  Feel free to totally B.S. your way through those.  Bill Veeck’s name can be brought up liberally.

2.  Be sure and paint the Cubs fans as unemployed alcoholics.  After all, they attend a ton of day games, so they must all be losers, right?  And the parking is awful, so clearly no one is doing well enough to drive, right?  And have you seen the bars around Wrigley?  They’re everywhere!  It’s like having an AA retreat next to a Bierhall.  During Oktoberfest.  In Munich.  If you’re broadcasting tee-vee at Wrigley, be sure and get a few shots of the local establishments.  Preferably one with a drunken horde standing around smoking.

3.  Any Cubs fan you interview or show on tee-vee that isn’t hammered should be a Chad or Trixie wearing 87 different pieces of paraphernalia that make it painfully obvious that they are some once a season attendee that drives to the Skokie park and ride “because taking the train to Wrigley is so cool” but does not know who Ron Santo is.

4.  Mention Ron Santo’s repeated failed bids to get into the Hall of Fame.  Bonus points for interviewing a current HoF’er about it.  Double bonus points for Joe Morgan or Mike Schmidt.

5.  Attempt to convey that failure in the post-season is somehow offset by “Beautiful Wrigley Field.”  Remind everyone that this is the NL’s cathedral, and how nice it is to play here, even if there hasn’t been a new gonfalon to hang since 1945.  Also try working in the word ‘gonfalon’ as much as possible.  It’s fun to say!  It’s even more fun to win (or so I’ve been told)!

6.  Mention HWSNBN (woo!).  Just once.  Then make sure you can hear him in the background for the rest of the game.

7.  Steal one of our radio guys.  (Thanks, Uecker.)

8.  Complain about how the NL doesn’t use the DH.  Because everyone in the NL loves hearing about how the DH makes for better baseball.

9.  Spend an entire half-inning showing close-ups of people on the rooftops across the street.  Also the AC sign.  We love being reminded of that.

10.  Use the phrase “Loveable Losers” as much as possible without being repetitive.  (Aw, hell, go ahead and be repetitive.)

11.  Try to do anything for the 7th inning stretch.

12.  Spend all your time smack-talking and fail to mention that the Cubs have won the NL Central TWO YEARS IN A ROW.

Poll
I prefer to follow the Cubs:
On the TV
123 votes
On the radio
54 votes
On MLB.com's awesome Gameday -- In play, run(s)!
12 votes
On Gameday Audio
6 votes
On MLB.TV
17 votes
On BCB (duh!)
16 votes
On my butt in a seat at Wrigley
123 votes
On my feet from Sheffield or Waveland
1 votes
Onwards and Upwards
4 votes
On to Victory!
29 votes
On Rye (no tomato)
22 votes

407 votes | Poll has closed

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you forgot the Gatorade curse of 1984

that caused Leon Durham to no longer have any other stat as a baeball player except one error

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 18, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions  

13. Mention all of the celebrity wannabe Cub fans.

Give shout-outs to The James Belushis, the George Wills and the Bill Murrays of the world who are sanctioned to speak for all long suffering Cub fans as they and they alone can express the heartbreak and disappointment that all of us feel. The more obnoxious the b-lister the better.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 19, 2009 7:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't forget Cusack& Vaugn

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Mar 19, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I try to forget those guys whenever possible.

by jerry morales rules on Mar 19, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

belushi

I hate Jim Belushi!

He embodies everything wrong with Chicago.

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by puckishcubsfan on Mar 19, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate Belushi too

But there’s no reason to think that celebrities can’t be fans too. Have you seen This Old Cub? I despise Bill Murray but I buy him as a legit Cubs fan.

Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog

by berselius on Mar 19, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Murray is a legit Cubs fan. So is Joe Mantegna. Belushi? I dunno.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 19, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

You despise Bill Murray?

Why?

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by daver on Mar 19, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe despise is a poor term

But I don’t find him to be that funny, for the most part

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by berselius on Mar 19, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes! Good morning campers. Rise and Shine!

Dont forget your booties cuz it’s COLD outside! It’s cold out there everyday. What is this, Mi-Ami Beach?!

by northernsails on Mar 19, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!

Llama! How about a little somethin’ extra, for the effort?

by JJDiesel21 on Mar 20, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lighten Up on Bill Murray.

He’s a real fan in my book. A friend of my sister’s was at the Bears/Seahawks playoff game the year they went to the Super Bowl. She sat up in the highest deck. There was Bill Murray sitting near her, just bundled up like everyone else, not sitting in some luxury box, just being a fan.

She’s got the picture to prove it. Anyone who could sit with the fat cats and sits with the fans is Ok in my book.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Mar 22, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the media!

It’s what they do; expound on controversy or better yet, create controversy.

What gets more attention? The 2000 CWS-champion LSU DP combo back together or the ball through Leon’s legs?

Look what a pathetic California team (that’s redundant) is doing this season. A 25-yr anniversary of their 1984 WS defeat! And at the [emotional] expense of Cubs’ fans and more importantly, to try to draw a few thousand more to see a 104-loss team. The media feeds off crap like that.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 19, 2009 8:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Stealing Cory Provus was no big deal.

Unless, of course, he is replaced by Judd Sirott, who is horrible.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 19, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Steal?

I think the word steal is only appropriate if it’s something you want to keep. Although, i still want to know if WGN has made any provision for Pat to take his mid-game dump.

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Mar 23, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

On the alchol and Wrigley

What I love about it being called the beer garden is beer sales at Comiskey always outsold Wrigley despite smaller crowds.

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by puckishcubsfan on Mar 19, 2009 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Dont forget the "Banks Baskets"

so what if the facts given are not correct by Joe Morgan

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Both the above comments rec'd.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 19, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course, these same peope fail to mention.....

that for many years, the right field fence at Yankee Stadium was an almost ridiculous 296 feet, which no doubt padded the home runs stats of Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, Maris, and many other left-handed hitting Yankee legends. I’m not saying these guys are not legit baseball legends, because they are, but you would never hear anyone dare to bring up this little inconvenient fact.

“They built Yankee Stadium for Ruth with a 296-foot right field fence, my sister Florence could hit the ball 296 feet!”
— Tommy Lee Jones as Ty Cobb in the movie “Cobb”

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Mar 19, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Makes you wonder about what would happen if the Polo Grounds were still around.

258 down the RF line, 279 down the LF line, and 483 to dead center. That’s gonna skew the numbers a bit.

I left my clever sig line in my other pants.

by znohitter on Mar 19, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe he called the basket "Banks Boulevard."

And, yes, it was a despicable, irresponsible and idiotic thing to say.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by daver on Mar 19, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was dumb and a damn lie. He just proved how much of an idiot he is

by stating something on national tv that wasn’t even true. Did he think we wouldn’t notice? Or did he think we were so glad to be in the post season that we would just get caught up in the hoopla? Just plain silly.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 19, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just wish someone would have cornered him during an interview...

…and forced him to admit he was wrong and apologize. I wish a lot of things, though.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by daver on Mar 19, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would have been nice...

… if ESPN had at least broadcast a correction, since it is factually incorrect.

Yet another reason people will flock to the MLB Network.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 19, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

probably did not care if Cub fans noticed or not

since the rest of the nation will say that Cub fans are just whining about their icon Banks, and cannot accept the facts……even tho the facts are not what he stated. ESPN should have made him give a formal apology for lying, and correct himself.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not whining, and we know it, and it's time the nation knew it, too.

Fortunately, Cubs fans are not the only people who hate Joe Morgan.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 19, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone with ears should hate Joe Morgan

he’s awful.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 20, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well..

TV is of course preferable to other media form. But given that Len Kaspar drives me nut I actually enjoy the option of Pat Hughes on the radio.

by BLou on Mar 19, 2009 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

There's something missing from that poll:
  • All of the above (or by any means necessary)

Because that pretty much sums up my approach. Depending on the situation, I use every one of those types of media – except maybe the last one. (I’ll take a tomato.) Oh, and I’d add “via mobile phone,” too.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by daver on Mar 19, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Personally,

$9 in service fees to order one ticket through the Cubs ticketing group torques me off more than a game called by a triumvirate of Joe Buck, Joe Morgan, and Joe Carter ever could.

Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.

by section229beer on Mar 19, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

isn't that "Convenience" charge

all the various ticketing companies charge the biggest joke? I just ordered tix for the Lion King here in Vegas and we were charge a $10 Convenience charge per ticket. What convenience?

Drive, Monkey Drive!

by VegasCubFan on Mar 22, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Theirs, obviously.

It’s very convenient for them to charge you these fees.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

its the same

as checking yourself out at the store, and not being paid for “working”

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 22, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I could amend my vote

I am standing about half the time in SRO but nevertheless prefer to be in the park. About the announcers, its so rare that I hear someone other than Len and Bob but when I have, with the two exceptions of Joe Morgan and Tim McKarver, who I absolutely detest, I don’t really mind anyone else. While I find Len a little cheesy, I think Bob is great and the two together do a nice job.

by JJDiesel21 on Mar 19, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

DIdn't any of you know?

Wrigley Field is a glorified bar and Cub fans are all morons who dont pay attention to anything that doesnt involve their own team.

/sarcasm

by northernsails on Mar 19, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

The thing is

while the people who post on this site are, for the most part, knowledgable baseball fans in addition to being cubs fans, there is way to high a percentage of people at games that are exactly what you just described.

by JJDiesel21 on Mar 20, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey - I resemble that remark

most of us are knowledgeable fans, but going to Wrigley to watch the Cubs is a real treat for those of us from out of town, and yes, we tend to over indulge most of the time. After all, we are on vacation.

"I won't be like A-Rod" - Z, 3/17/09

by Ihatethecards on Mar 20, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

you resent it. Dont get me wrong I have definitely been drunk at many games. But I always pay as close attention to the game as possible. Unfortunately there are many that don’t.

by JJDiesel21 on Mar 20, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

i sat next to these three dunk girls at shea last year. they were loud and obnoxious. i think thats where that stereotype comes frome

by gocubs526 on Mar 20, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think every team has these fans

but when you only sell half your tickets, it seems like less of them are there…….

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 20, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

And while you're at it...

…could you please replay Ozzy’s or Ditka’s renditions of TMOTTBG in the 7th inning stretch? Please? There are, after all, some people in the Ukraine who haven’t seen them yet.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played--in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."--Alvin Dark

by spoiledcubbage on Mar 20, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

what about Jeff Gordon

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 20, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I considered him, too

but Ozzy and Iron Mike get more airplay in the mainstream

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played--in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."--Alvin Dark

by spoiledcubbage on Mar 20, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 20, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest

and I’m not being sarcastic — is…why do WE have to discuss this? Haven’t we talked this to friggin’ death? Why is the tail wagging the dog here? This is what torques me off.

Let’s let the media nimrods talk about it….we should move on. We cannot do anything about their ignorance and lack of preparation regarding actual facts.

So, let’s just move on. Anybody here knows more about the team then most major sports media celebrities.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 20, 2009 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

…why do WE have to discuss this?

Well, we don’t. But it’s Spring Training and it was a nice diversion from trying to project lineups and numbers and trades and the WBC griping.

And quite frankly, there are some really bad broadcasters out there.

I left my clever sig line in my other pants.

by znohitter on Mar 22, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

I thought you did a nice job of poking fun at the ignorance of the media.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Mar 22, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is true

We have talked it to death. But you know seems to me that someone probably comes away with just a little more insight into the garbage that alot of the sports media incorrectly spews about our team (I know I do, even if alot of it is reminders). If one person comes away with another valid point against said “nimrods” then I think its worth talking about. This kind of discussion with exactly why as you mention

Anybody here knows more about the team then most major sports media celebrities

Just my 2 cents.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Mar 26, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go to BCB and add a Micah Hoffpauir FanPost...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 22, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions  

It almost makes you long for the days of daily Peavy posts.

I said “almost”.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never heard of the radio guy

Hopefully I won’t have to turn in my Cubs fan card. When was he with the team? I am out of radio coverage and I don’t think I have ever been able to hear more than the odd inning or two per season.

by Dave in the basement on Mar 23, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

AUGH!!!

Thanks……..you post this, and today in a Roller Derby group where I post, sure enough the Goat comes us

http://www.txrd.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=3299

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 24, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Another way national broadcasters tick me off

They almost never show Cubs games. Instead, they make sure that just about every Yankee and Red Sox game goes national. Actually, I don’t mind that much, because I’d rather hear the Cubs broadcasters.

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on Mar 29, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

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