Know Your Enemy: Houston Astros
Roy Oswalt.
Those are really the only two words you need to know about the 2009 Astros, because Roy Oswalt is really their only starting pitcher. And no team has ever made the postseason with only one starting pitcher. (Well, some of those 19th Century teams did, but you know.)

Some call him "Fat Elvis". You can see why.
photo via www.baseballaha.com
Of course, that's an exaggeration. Roy Oswalt isn't going to start all 162 games for the 2009 Astros, but they're going to wish they had his clone for the 128 or so he doesn't start, because the rest of their rotation depth chart includes: Wandy Rodriguez, Brandon Backe, Brian Moehler, Russ Ortiz and Mike Hampton. Now, the back end of that group (Moehler, Ortiz and Hampton) might have looked pretty good... if this were 2000 instead of 2009. But those guys are old and injury-prone (for that matter, so is Backe, and he had a 6.05 ERA last year to boot) and so the Astros are going to give up a ton of runs; Wandy Rodriguez may win the occasional game for them with his junk-lefty stuff. It doesn't matter that they have an outstanding closer in Jose Valverde, either, because the rest of their bullpen is... pretty bad. LaTroy Hawkins has actually reclaimed his career as a good setup man, but he may not have much to set up after guys like Wesley Wright, Tim Byrdak and Chris Sampson get done with the middle innings.
The Houston offense, which took a big hit after Carlos Lee went down in midseason last year, barely scored more runs in 2008 than the Reds, who I profiled yesterday. But with guys like Lee, Lance Berkman, Hunter Pence, and Miguel Tejada leading the way, the Astros offense ought to be at least in the middle of the pack in the National League. With C-Lee healthy this year, they ought to better their 2008 total of 167 home runs in their hitter-friendly ballpark.
There's another factor here that I pointed out to people last spring and no one believed me. The 2007 Arizona Diamondbacks had a 90-72 record and made the playoffs despite having a negative run differential (712-732). That's almost impossible to do, and they outplayed their Pythagorean W-L projection by 11 wins. Teams that do that tend to seriously regress in the following year, and the 2008 D'backs were no exception; they won 82 games, exactly dead on their Pythagorean numbers.
The 2008 Astros did almost exactly what Arizona did a year ago. They scored 712 runs, and allowed 743, but went 86-75, outdoing their Pythagorean projection by nine wins. Thus I would expect them to regress in 2009, and since their pitching has gotten markedly worse, it could be by ten wins or more. (Their offense didn't look so great, either, in that two-game series moved to Milwaukee against the Cubs, in which they got a grand total of one hit.)
Now that Puerto Rico is out of the WBC, Ivan Rodriguez is expected to sign with Houston. This will have ... absolutely no effect on the Astros, as Pudge is several years (and quite a few pounds, apparently) away from his best seasons. J. R. Towles was pretty bad last year after he won the starting job in spring training, but with Houston going nowhere this year, they really ought to just put Towles out there and let him play. He hit well after he was demoted to Triple-A and is only 25.
Astros having good springs include ex-Cub Jason Smith (.455, but only 1 RBI) and former Cardinal John Gall (.429). Most of the big Houston bats are having bad springs: Miguel Tejada (.263, 1 HR, played most of this month at the WBC), Hunter Pence (.238) and Carlos Lee (a scary .087). The Astros are 1-15 and they're almost certainly not that bad; but this isn't going to be a good year at the Juice Box.
Predicted finish: fifth place, 70-75 wins.
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Their pitching usually looks good against us
Especially Brian Moehler and Chris Sampson. Nothing more frustrating as a Cubs fan to see pitchers like that get crushed by the rest of the league but who own us.
by reedjohnson on Mar 19, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they'll do better than 75 wins, but not much better.
That said, in that pic, he looks more like “EEEEEVIL ELVIS!” >:)
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by malicedoom on Mar 19, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He kind of looks like a much younger version of the current pope.

I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
by znohitter on Mar 19, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add in the fact that rumors abound about cash flow problems for the Astros
If they don’t get off to a hot start (and they never seem to), Drayton McClane could really look to shed payroll, starting with Tejada.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Mar 19, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A team like Detroit to watch as the 2008-09 Economic Crisis moves into the summer
Houston is in the second tier of big metro franchises.Unlike NY-LA-Chi-Bay Area and Bos, corridor Houston is in that next tier of markets—-Detroit, Philly, Balt-DC and Houston—-almost big market but they almost need to spend at mega markets to compete.
Last year their payroll was just under $90M and their gate was 2.78M but with a team that is old, under-manned and without much in the pipeline their gate revenues could erode more than 20% possibly bringing them down to just above 2M. There might be a fire sale——like Oswalt or the Birdman
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Mar 19, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone the Cubs might want if we're doing well and DET decide to have a 'fire sale'?
?
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by malicedoom on Mar 19, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three pop to mind, though I think only one would be attainable
Brandon Inge could back up a few positions for the Cubs. Detroit would have to be really desperate to unload Granderson or Cabrera.
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by Trey2317 on Mar 19, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inge is too expensive at $6.3M and $6.7M next year
Verlander at $3.6M in arbitration
Granderson is signed for 4 more years 09:$3.5M, 10:$5.5M, 11:$8.25M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M club option ($2M buyout)
Everett after June 15th or Ramon Santiago who is making $800K
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Mar 19, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Santiago is interesting
Can’t tell if he’s an upgrade over Theriot, but his bat appears to have a little more thump.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Mar 19, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everett's a good call.
I think Inge is too expensive, too, but Ricketts will have the option to add salary at the deadline, keep in mind.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Mar 19, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s not much more frustrating than living in houston, being a chicago-born-raised cubs fan, going to minute maid when the cubs come to town, wearing my cubs shirt etc., and being beaten.. every time. is it my luck, or do the cubs Never do good against houston, despite all other outside factors and conventional wisdom, and what “should be.” ?
by jcboll675 on Mar 19, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We did OK against them in Miller Park. :)
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by malicedoom on Mar 19, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year
the Cubs were 8-9 against Houston and technically were 4-4 on the road against the Astros. Actually, they were 2-4 in Houston, but those two other two Cubs wins were “Bud’s Fault.”
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by Trey2317 on Mar 19, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Houston's "Oh, let's just wait the hurricane out" GM.
Not too smart.
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by malicedoom on Mar 19, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Owner . . . but, yeah
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 19, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny story about Berkman
a few years ago, I was all over him verbally (not once swearing) for an entire Fri-Sun series in Houston, while he was their RF. There was a patch of sod recently replaced, you could see the color difference, etc. The first two games, I was yelling the wrong situations to him (i.e. first pitch of the game, I would yell bases loaded, play at any base), and asking him if he had been “grazing” resulting in the sod needing to be replced. Sunday I started yelling the correct situation (even saw him check the bases a few times to see what the situation was compared to what I had yelled to him). towards the end of the game Sunday, he finally turned around and flipped me off. I felt proud, like I had done my job of getting under his skin.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL - nice.
Once I caught a Dodgers/Astros game in L.A. when Alou was still playing for HOU and the entire left field bleachers kept chanting “ALOUUUUUUUUUUUUU” and he kept turning around looking SO very pissed – which of course did nothing but egg everyone on even more – hilarious. Then the Cubs signed him – lol.
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by malicedoom on Mar 19, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a friend of mine has a great Berkman story
about him being at a mutual friends (of ours, not Berkmans) ranch where the neighbor of our friend did some carpentry work for Berkman, and invited Berkman on a hunt at the ranch. Our friend has not watched ANY baseball since the strike, and he had no clue who Berkman was. Berkman was pissed to say the least, and was a jacka$$ the entire time from it. He was informed not to return to our friends ranch due to being an egotistical jerk. The entire story is much funnier, but I know it third hand so to speak, so there is a lot I cannot properly relate into a good post.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
I know it’s part of the whole fan experience for a lot of people, but I just can’t get into yelling at players on the other teams.
I know they’re grown men and should be able to take it, but even so, why? This isn’t pro wrestling, where the “bad guys” are supposed to incite the crowd into serving up verbal abuse.
Part of respecting the other team, in my mind, is just letting them play.
Maybe it’s just from being a parent of three young kids and always being in the frame of mind of telling people to be nice…I don’t know.
Oh well, time to put on the asbestos suit….
by jdb-44 on Mar 19, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even funnier when that player ends up being a Cub
or better yet, is a Cub and gets booed as a Cub because he came from the Cardinals (Jim Edmonds).
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
by flachimesa on Mar 19, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lance
Is the only player I do that to, and it is due to experiences friends have had with him. Other players, I show respect, and I will admit I was a fan of Biggio, talk about a classy person, and player. I loved watching his hustle, play anywhere asked to, and not once frown about anything it seemed. I look forward to his HOF speech personally.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly PO’d Berkman at the ranch? Was he just mad because your friend didn’t know who Berkman was?
Boy. I thought he was supposed to be a religious guy, and the mainstream religious folks I know are usually really nice.
Not to get into the whole religion thing. I am perfectly aware that there are plenty of non-religious people who are nice, and plenty of religious folks who are not.
by jdb-44 on Mar 19, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically the fact
that he did not watch baseball since the strike (some 7 – 9 years after the strike) and had no clue who Berkman was. Mind you Berkman is a Texan born and raised, went to Rice, etc so there are many who do not follow baseball who still know who he is. It was pure Egotistical.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lance Berkman has my respect as a ballplayer
The man can flat out hit. Imagine Berkman batting 3rd in the Cub lineup.
by BLou on Mar 19, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one here is surprised at this.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always said I respect his ability to play.
and I also have said to many I hope his ego has dwindled to being more like BIggio than Bonds.
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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, thanks.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Mar 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lost all respect for Biggio
When he put on the elbow armor.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 19, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you for the most part.
I mean, talking trash to opposing players isn’t something I would ever do – unless the guy did something truly despicable, like slap a baby in the stands or something. It’s just not how I roll. I don’t boo my own team, either.
But…I can’t help thinking of how, during the 2008 World Series, Phillies fans were all over Evan Longoria – yelling “EVA!!!” – every time he came to the plate. Now, in that situation, given what was on the line, I actually had to give those fans some credit. Because they were doing everything they could to get under the opposing team’s skin in a championship situation.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 19, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except it wasn't all that creative, was it?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 19, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never understood
why people yell endlessly at players, especially nonsensical attacks. Why did you do it? To get under his skin?
by ol Pete on Mar 19, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
read my other posts
and you will understand why
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree
Question for you — not meant to antagonize — why do Brewer fans rip on Derrek Lee so much? He’s had a nice career and is a classy guy. I can understand Zambrano, but . . .
In fact, during one game in 2008, they roared when he fouled a ball off his leg and fell down. Seemed in pretty poor taste.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 19, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you mean at games?
If so, I have no idea, but you’re right. Maybe it was general anti-Cubs antagonism. Personally I think Lee is sort of the glue of the Cubs defense.
by ol Pete on Mar 19, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Theriot is the stapler that keeps jamming
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insert a Milton joke here...

I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
by znohitter on Mar 19, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eeeyeahhhh...I'm gonna go ahead and take the stapler.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 19, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I meant at games
I can understand rooting against the opposition (although some of our fellow Wisconsinites take it to an extreme), but Lee seems to hear more than most.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 19, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me, or do the Astros look like the Cubs of most of the 1990s?
A lot of “names” past their prime, meh starting pitching, troubling bullpens, etc.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
by cocknfire on Mar 19, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs of 1990s
I have contemplated a fanpost about the Cubs of 1990-1997 and how about it was the blah era of Cubs history.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 19, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Astros = Worst Team in National League in 2009
Get past Oswalt, Berkman, Lee, Valverde and Pence and they are VERY bad. Ed Wade is running this team into the ground so badly that it will take years to recover.
by BLou on Mar 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
someof their trades
are coming back to bite them now, such as the amount of young talent send for rent a players (like Beltran). I remember when we did the same in the 80’s and 90’s
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you looked at the Padres roster?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 19, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the Pirates?
Or the Nationals?
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by Al on Mar 19, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soto Back?
Al, you mentioned I-Rod will be back with the Astros. Will Geo Soto be back with the Cubs now? Wasn’t he playing for P.R.?
AlaskaFan
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by AlaskaFan on Mar 19, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
correct
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Soto may play as soon as this afternoon.
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by Al on Mar 19, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hooray!
Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king -- Bob Dylan
by Emelie on Mar 19, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emelie
is ready to see Geo’s behind in a Cubs uniform again.

Best I could find in 30 seconds of searching.
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by drewishdrewid on Mar 19, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baggy in the britches

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
by flachimesa on Mar 19, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oswalt
Oswalt is a riot if you ever hear him on the radio.
On an Astros related note I had the same surgery Aaron Boone is having and the same problem (it was the health issue I hinted at last year).
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 19, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Since you're still posting...
I assume it was successful. Hope you’ve recovered well. Seeing what Boone is facing, I’ll admit I got concerned for the guy. That doesn’t sound like any fun at all.
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by Clutch16 on Mar 19, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't fun
It isn’t fun frankly for the first few days afterwards you feel like you were run over by a semi.
The best part of it was I took it as the swift kick in the seat it should be and have gotten myself into shape. I have a way to go but I’m half the woman I used to be literally.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 19, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
Aaron Boone is having a sex change operation?
by JodyDavis on Mar 19, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wandy is a fastball curveball pitcher
Most people think of “junk stuff” as off speed pitchers.
by ol Pete on Mar 19, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nary an Astros fan to be found on this thread so far.
I kinda like when fans of the team in question stop by. Maybe I’ll post this as a Fanshot over at the Crawfish Boxes.`
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 19, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I already did.
No activity there, either.
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by Al on Mar 19, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, yeah. Crickets.
I guess when your team is 1-15 in spring training, words are a little harder to come by.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 19, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one replied to my Reds FanShot either...
… although one of their admins ("Slyde") did stop by and chat with us.
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by Al on Mar 19, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was cool too
had some nice posts, showed class, nothing ignorant. i like some good natured ribbing between fans.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 19, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like some good barbecued ribs between my fingers even better...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Mar 19, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's taken some time
to recover but I’m back again and been talking, bragging, debating for this team and I can’t wait to leave denver and return home for another season. GO CUBS!!
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by Bpatterson83 on Mar 19, 2009 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Side note
I wouldn’t really call Wandy Rodriguez a junk ball lefty. He’s got enough life on his fastball. Maybe an issue of semantics, as to me, a junk ball lefty is an end of the rotation arm. I think Wandy is your typical mid-rotation lefty in terms of stuff, with enough life on the fastball coupled by excellent change and curve options.
Wesley Wright, a Rule 5 pick, was solid when used as a LOOGY. Reminds me of our situation with Will Ohman – if they used him as just a LOOGY, Wright would be solid.
Other than that, I pretty much agree. I think they finish 5th, perhaps with a few more wins than you think, but this team is in a poor situation of having an older core and not enough young talent on the way up, along with a lack of budget flexibility.
by toonsterwu on Mar 20, 2009 5:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
astro's fans..
at least the ones in houston, but for the few die-hards i’ve met, tend to be rather fair-weather, from what i’ve seen living here. they love them to death when they’re doing good, the local media speaks with a cockiness you’d expect in the Bronx; but boy oh boy when they suck, the media gives them 5 seconds on the evening news to say something simple like, “’stro’s lost again today, tomorrow finishing the series against philly.” if they win the game, they’ll spend a good few minutes showing highlights and analyzing the at-bats.
so, no wonder no astro’s fans have added to this discussion.
by jcboll675 on Mar 21, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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