What, Seattle AGAIN?: Cubs vs. Mariners at Peoria, Thursday 3/19, 3:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Mar 19, 2009 1:00 PM CDT
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PrintFor the third time in the last ten days, the Cubs will face the Mariners (and on Sunday, they'll make it four times in 13 days). That's a lot of contact with one team in a short period of time during spring training, especially now when teams sometimes only see each other once or twice in the spring.
Derrek Lee hasn't played for the Cubs in a few days (sore quad), but he may play for the USA this weekend in the semifinals. Kevin Youkilis is out with an ankle sprain and Jim Hendry says he won't stand in D-Lee's way if he is asked to go to Los Angeles.
As discussed in this FanShot, I'd be all in favor of this. Maybe playing in a game that means something would get his bat going. Plus, that would give the Cubs a couple of opportunities to play Corey Koskie at 1B to see if he can handle it. The more versatile Koskie can be, the better his chances of making the team.
No surprises: the Cubs won City Council approval for the third concert this July, and also still have the right to block views from the Lakeview Baseball Club if they don't pay their contractually-obligated 17%:
The rooftop club says it first wants compensation for partially blocked views caused by a JumboTron at the Jan. 1 Winter Classic staged at Wrigley.
The Cubs sued the rooftop club this month over the withheld payment, and the group countersued, seeking to prevent the team from blocking its views on Opening Day.
"We hope it doesn't come to that," said Cubs spokesman Mike Lufrano. "We'd like to resolve it, but at the same time, it isn't fair for them not to pay what every other rooftop owner has agreed to pay."
One more note: Former Cubs coach and manager Whitey Lockman passed away Tuesday at the age of 82.
This afternoon, Aaron Heilman, still in competition for the #5 starter slot, will face Seattle's Gaby Hernandez. Other Cubs scheduled to throw today are Neal Cotts, Chad Fox, Mike Stanton and Randy Wells. You may see Geovany Soto back in the lineup today, too. The Mariners will have a split squad -- they play the Padres tonight in their other game -- so who knows what regulars may or may not appear in this game. There is no radio or TV coverage today, but here is today's MLB.com Mediacenter.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Angry Heilman demands end to spring training
Please just play some real baseball already.
by dr stabbingworth on Mar 19, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions
Bruce Levine reported that D-Lee
hadn’t been invited to join Team USA and wouldn’t be joining the team if asked.
Hey, it's a new century!
Confirmed by Bruce Miles.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
It's Corey Koskie Day!
Lineup courtesy of Bruce Miles:
Miles, 2B
Spears, SS
Hoffpauir, DH
Fox, 1B
Koskie, 3B
Johnson, RF
Wright, LF
Hill, C
Gathright, CF
Heilman, P
That’s Ty Wright, in case you were wondering. I sure was.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
The Ghost of Milton Bradley likes this lineup.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Bradley's wife went into labor apparently
which is another reason he’s been out of the lineup.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Seems fair. Milt's been laboring most of the Spring...
Bud-da-BOOM. Ching!.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (Now #12,966 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list- UP from 13,031...WHOO HOO!)
That is an real legitimate reason to miss a game.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless it's not his...
…in which case it’s an illegitimate reason to miss a game.
I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
Rimshot!
Thank you! We’ll be here all week!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Remember
Tip your waitress’s.
Greg Maddux could put a baseball through a Life Saver if you asked him. ~ Joe Morgan
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Mar 19, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Tip my waitress's what?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 19, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, where did Ty Wright come from again?
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
wasn't he an existential golfer and
a friend of Danny Noonan?
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Serious answer?
Oklahoma State. This is his third season in the Cubs system.
One thing I like about him is that despite being born and raised in Texas, he’s a lifelong Cubs fan.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 19, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, thanks!
And, yes, I was looking for a serious answer. His name hadn’t made its way onto my radar yet.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Seattle's Starting Lineup
Corona, 2B
Cedeno!, SS
Tuiasosopo, 3B
Balentin, CF
LeHair, DH
Shelton, 1B
Morse, LF
Burke, C
Gillies, RF
Gaby Hernandez, P
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Wow.
Heilman might be really happy to face that lineup. Are there ANY regulars in that list?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I don't see any.
Seattle has a split-squad today, but sheesh.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Cedeno?
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Ronny in the two-spot! Boo ya!
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
I was too late to help out Micah with an image
He grounded out to end the inning
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Sounds like the fad of the day
as all outs were groundouts.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 19, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs seem to really be highlighting Hoffpauir's
fielding versatility by putting in the DH role today.
Maybe they are trying to show how well suited he is for an AL team?
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
So when does the Great Koskie experiment at 1B begin?
Today would have been a perfect opportunity, no?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Couldn't have hurt.
I mean, he can’t be worse than Adam Dunn. (Yes!) Maybe they want to make sure he can still play third base.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Hello
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Gamethread's are almost useless without TV or Radio feeds of the game.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
Yep.
I’ve got MLB’s mobile gametracking thingy running, but it updates so slowly there’s really not much to say. I get so frustrated with Gameday during spring training, I don’t even bother with it anymore.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
The looooooonnnng pause
makes me think something bad happened.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 19, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
mmmmmmm...with mustard?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 19, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like Martha really knows her way around a long wiener.
What?
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Note the individual behind Martha is wearing a Yanks hat.
That means something. When I figure out what, I’ll let you know.
I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
I think that's ARod's cousin.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
So it's a BOLE dog?
(If it got jacked up on sugar, would it be a hyperbole dog?)
I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
and hence the phrase "you Yankee dog" was born...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
yep. you guys are hardcore
Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king -- Bob Dylan
Mariners scored
1-0
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Yup.
Bot 2 – Chris Shelton singles on a sharp ground ball to left fielder Ty Wright. Wladimir Balentien scores.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Gaithright error in CF allowed Balentien to advance to 3rd
after hitting a double
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Yeah, that aside...
…Heilman still seems to be pitching fairly well. He ended up striking out the side that inning.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
i would really like to see
heilman get at least 4 innings today, even if it is against the mariners’ ’b" team
by brian custer on Mar 19, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
CHRIS Shelton???
Dang, I figured it was LONNIE Shelton, being Seattle and all…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
This one's for Micah when he comes up
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Gameday stuck?
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
And, if so, where?
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Gameday just flipped through a bunch of Cubs
Homers by Micah and Fox
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
And those were back-to-back jacks!
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Wow.
The EA photos have even more power than we thought.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
The magic is retroactive.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Has anyone checked
to see if he looks like Smilin’ Bob from the Enzyte commericals when he’s at the plate sometimes?
big cubs ralley
6-1 cubs, hoff with another homer
wheatfield mike down here in god's country
by wheatfield mike on Mar 19, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions
Apparently, we only had two outs made against us in the third.
I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
Is EA doing a piece on 29 YEAR OLD ROOKIES?!
I’ll eventually give this up, I swear.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
Onedec in action.
Last Play: Ronny Cedeno grounds into double play, second baseman Aaron Miles to first baseman Jake Fox. Reegie Corona out at 2nd.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
I wonder how those guys over at Lookout Landing like him so far?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, really.
Maybe I’ll stop by and find out. They were marginally more friendly than Padres fans.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
I just searched their site for "Cedeno"....
overall they seem to think he’ll win the SS job and they seem glad about it…but they didn’t seem to expect much from him anyway.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I guess Betancourt is pretty horrible defensively.
So maybe Ronny can at least help them out there.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
I think they will be more forgiving in Seattle
when he over slides second on a ball four steal.
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
my, that was a silly play....
can i have a latte frappacino?
my, that was a silly play....
can i have a latte frappacino?
Alright, alright. You didn't have to ask twice. Can't you see I'm busy here?
Man, I hate working at Starbuck’s.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
my lasting memory of Onedec...
how sad is that!
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
And in the game,
Nate Spears drives in Aaron Miles from 2nd to make it 7-1 Cubs.
I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
And Nate Spears
is now hitting .750 this spring. Will the anyone finally take him seriously as a prospect?
by Josh Timmers on Mar 19, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
beat me to it
glad it was veal that got parmesaned
and not spears getting broccolied
Uh oh.
Top of the fourth: Micah Hoffpauir strikes out swinging.
On the bright side, Aaron Miles doubled and was singled home by Nate Spears.
Middle 4: 7-1 Cubs
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
We need more EA photos!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Koskie, I mean
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 19, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Gameday is blocked.
I am curious what Koskie did in his AB(s). Anyone??
God I love baseball. -Roy Hobbs
Wow. Spring training IS weird.
What about his second AB?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 19, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
A slam dunk to set up the PAT.
And he’s on the green in two.
I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
But he played the field, and that's what was important today.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Just like Steve Garvey
Wait, wrong thread.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 19, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Heilman must have reached his pitcher count,
as he was relieved by Randy Wells with 2 outs in the 4th inning.
Hey, it's a new century!
And Wells gets the out!
Mike Morse grounds into a force out, fielded by shortstop Nate Spears. Bryan LaHair out at 2nd.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
seems like
a pretty decent outing for aaron
by brian custer on Mar 19, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Top 5
Pitcher Change: Chris Seddon replaces Gaby Hernandez. And apparently this Seddon guy has filthy stuff because:
Jake Fox strikes out swinging.
Bobby Scales grounds out, shortstop Ronny Cedeno to first baseman Bryan LaHair. (CEDENO!)
Reed Johnson strikes out swinging.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Maybe since they scored 7 runs, they're just ready to go home.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 19, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Koskie update (sort of) from Gordo via Twitter:
Koskie leaves game in third inning. Says not feeling well. Unclear whether related to concussion issues he’s had.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
I think Lincecum was hung over yesterday, too.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Not a good sign.
Damn.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I bet it turns out to be the flu.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
And with one out in the 5th,
Seattle sac flies in a run. 7-2 Cubs.
I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
So is Hoff leading all teams ST stats with 17 ribbies? Seems like he should be...
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (Now #12,966 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list- UP from 13,031...WHOO HOO!)
Yes.
To both questions.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Totally meaningless of course....
But that translates to about 127 RBI’s during the season.
by cubsonWGN4ever on Mar 19, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Now if we could just get the other teams to use the same types of AA pitchers during the regular season...
it might be possible.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean besides the Astros, Pirates and Padres of course.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 19, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Able to CATCH a baseball and then maybe throw in the right direction ?
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 19, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
...getting the hint from Erin Andrews?
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Hmm. No VPL. Is EA going commando?
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (Now #12,966 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list- UP from 13,031...WHOO HOO!)
these are getting put in
the flickr group page, right?
There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner
by laidbackliam on Mar 19, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Only the ones we caption or alter in some other way.
I’ll add this one, though.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
many, many thanks.
There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner
by laidbackliam on Mar 19, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs don't score in Top 7 but...
…Aaron Miles hits another double. Nearby, Mike Fontenot sips his pina colada, unimpressed.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
not so nearby
skip schumacher misplays a grounder in redbird camp
I know Hoffpauir is going to make the team
But I’ll toss the question out there: is there anything Hoffpauir does that is significantly better than what Jake Fox is doing?
I’m biased, but it looks like Fox can hit for power and play multiple positions better than Hoffpauir.
Is the Hoffpauir case really based on left-handed hitting and 80 at bats from last season?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
EA sends you to your room without dinner
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
Fox won't hit above .250
in the majors. He can’t make enough contact.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 19, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
But can Hoffpauir do that either?
He has a long swing, just like Fox does. And while I don’t think either one is a permanent solution at first when Lee goes, I could see Fox’s versatility helping out more on this team.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Fox reminds me a LOT of Adam Dunn
…except he doesn’t take as many walks
by northernsails on Mar 19, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That's kind of a big difference, isn't it?
Fox simply doesn’t get on base enough to play a corner position in the major leagues.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 19, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think Hoffpauir can hit .270 or so in limited duty.
Their respective PECOTA forecasts:
Fox .233/288/.412
Hoffpauir .261/.327/.489
One’s a major leaguer—albeit not a starter at a corner position, which is all Hoffpauir can play. The other simply isn’t unless he’s the slickest fielding shortstop around, which Fox isn’t.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 19, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Those numbers imply that Hoffpauir will draw some walks.
I have seen no evidence that he can or will do that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
He's always drawn them in the minors
except last year, but of course, he hit .362 in the minors last season so he wasn’t taking a lot of pitches.
But in 2006 he drew 53 walks in 393 ABs and in 2007 he drew 24 walks in 310 ABs. Not exactly Kevin Youkilis, but a healthy number.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 20, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
24 walks in 310 AB is "healthy"?
That translates to 38 walks in a 500-AB season. That’s Soriano-like.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Well
when it gives you a .365 OBP, yeah, it’s OK.
But I’ll admit, I did the math wrong. I thought it was a little more. Mea Culpa.
But hey, I don’t think Hoffpauir is anything more than a defensively-limited bench player. So it’s not like we have a huge disagreement over his value. I just think he can hit enough off the bench to justify a spot for a while—at least if your other option is Corey Koskie
by Josh Timmers on Mar 20, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The question is "what does Hoff do better"
And obviously, I’m joking around.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
But with Hoffpauir
We get a fox every game(thread).
Hey, is he related to that other Hoffpauir, Jarrett? I am guessing not.
Excellent point. I do enjoy those photos.
Don’t know about Jarrett Hoffpauir – they were born in different towns, but I don’t know if the Hoffpauir’s moved around.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
There's no relation
between Jarrett and Micah Hoffpauir. They just have the same, somewhat unusual, last name.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 19, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs win, 9-2
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
a real nail biter. enjoyed it
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
BTW, when is Lou going to send Cotts
out there to pitch a real inning instead of the 9th inning mop up when the AA non-roster guys are in?
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
There's the major issue.
As I noted above, I have seen no evidence that he can or will do that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
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