Know Your Enemy: National League East
By suggestion, I'm continuing last week's series which began with a look at each of the Cubs' NL Central rivals. Because the Cubs play the other NL teams fewer times than the Central teams, this post will take a brief look at each of the NL East clubs, in my predicted order of finish.
1) NEW YORK METS Maybe this is the kiss of death for them (and couldn't happen to a nicer team), but I'm predicting that the Mets will break their jinx of the last couple of years and finally win the East and qualify for the postseason. Last year, they were anointed World Champions by some of the so-called experts before a single pitch was thrown, mainly on the acquisition of Johan Santana, who apparently was going to go 34-0, win all the playoff games, and personally construct Freedom Tower in NYC with his bare hands.
Santana's 16-7, 2.53 season was good, placing him third in Cy Young voting, but the team's downfall was a horrible bullpen. They have addressed that with the acquisitions of Francisco Rodriguez and J. J. Putz. Things don't always work out the way you think they will, but these relievers should go a long way toward saving what the Mets' admittedly thin rotation (after Santana) starts. Mike Pelfrey is good, but the rest is either coming off injury (John Maine, with an unsightly 10.38 spring ERA) or who-knows-what-guy-will-show-up-this year (Oliver Perez).
The Mets' offense, which finished tied for second (with the Phillies) in the NL last year behind the Cubs, is again solid. Left fielder Daniel Murphy, who hit well in 131 AB, will provide yet another big bat if he can do this for a full season (and is having a good spring, hitting .364). At age 37, Carlos Delgado may be primed for decline, but he didn't show any signs of that a year ago, posting an .871 OPS with 38 HR and 115 RBI.
The Mets will win 90-92 games and the division title.
2) PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES None of the last eight World Champions has repeated. Since 2000:
2000 Yankees: lost 2001 World Series 2001 Diamondbacks: swept in 2002 NLDS by Cardinals 2002 Angels: missed 2003 playoffs, finished 77-85 2003 Marlins: missed 2004 playoffs, finished 83-79 2004 Red Sox: swept in 2005 ALDS by White Sox 2005 White Sox: missed 2006 playoffs, finished 90-72 2006 Cardinals: missed 2007 playoffs, finished 78-84 2007 Red Sox: lost 2008 ALDS to Rays
That's only two champions that even got as far as the LCS, and two others finished with losing records. Not a very inspiring example for the 2008 Phillies. However, they are still a very strong team and I'm picking them to be the NL Wild Card.
They return almost the entire team intact; the biggest change is free-agent Raul Ibanez, signed to replace the departed Pat The Bat Burrell in left field. This will have little effect other than to have a bad left fielder bat lefthanded instead of righthanded. Phillies fans have to be worried a bit about their pitching ace, Cole Hamels, but as of Saturday he was throwing with no pain.
The Phillies, as noted above, tied with the Mets for 2nd-most runs in the NL. The offense should generate the same power and run-scoring ability this year, and their bullpen is solid, but to expect Brad Lidge to have another perfect season is unlikely. Ryan Howard has 6 HR in the spring and reserve infielder Jason Donald has 20 RBI.
Prediction: around 90 wins, 2nd place, wild card. This year the Mets beat them out.
3) ATLANTA BRAVES I'm not sure what to make of this team, which has finally broken all ties from the Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine years. They signed Derek Lowe to be their #1 starter and traded a bunch of prospects to the White Sox for Javier Vazquez. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop for Lowe, who will be 36 in June; but he's been a solid starter for seven seasons and hasn't missed a start, so the Braves at the very least have a rotation anchor. I really like Jair Jurrjens, who is just 23 and had a fine year last year. So pitching should be an Atlanta strength this year -- presuming Mike Gonzalez comes back from injury to close. They don't really have many other choices there.
In the outfield, the Braves are trying to corner the market on Andersons, with ancient Garret Anderson manning left field and (probably) Josh Anderson in center, though Gregor Blanco will get a lot of playing time. Key performers will be SS Yunel Escobar and RF Jeff Francoeur. If those two fail, there will be major holes in the Braves lineup. Francoeur is hitting .368 this spring with only one strikeout in 38 AB, so maybe he's finally reached the potential he flashed in his half-rookie season in 2005. Remember, he has over 2000 major league AB but is only 25.
Prediction: wavering around the .500 mark (79-83 wins), third place.
4) FLORIDA MARLINS Every year, people dismiss the Marlins, and every year, they seem to make a run at the wild card, only to fall short. They could do the same this season, but this is an extremely young team and so it could run the gamut from contention to last place. Hot prospect Cameron Maybin, acquired in the Dontrelle Willis deal, will start in CF. He'll be 22 just before Opening Day and will have to fulfill his promise for the Marlins to accomplish anything this year. Jeremy Hermida, who I was interested in seeing the Cubs acquire, will start in LF; at 25 he, too, has a chance to be an offensive force, but must step his game up to the next level. He is leading Marlins regulars in spring stats with a .368 average and 10 RBI. Dan Uggla and Hanley Ramirez return as the DP combination; you'll get the usual combination of power, speed, strikeouts, flashy plays, and errors at the worst possible time from them.
The rotation is anchored by (sigh!) ex-Cub farmhand Ricky Nolasco, who had a breakout season in 2008. There are a number of very young pitchers, both starters and relievers, who will have to step up if the Marlins are to do anything in 2009. Currently listed on their depth chart as closer is Matt Lindstrom, who has five career saves. Lindstrom doesn't throw particularly hard (43 K in 57.1 IP last year), but allowed only one homer all season.
Prediction: fourth place, but they could flirt with .500, mainly because of the...
5) WASHINGTON NATIONALS Decades ago, when the old Washington Senators were in the American League, a slogan was coined: "Washington: first in war, first in peace, last in the American League." I won't go into any of the political commentary (and don't you, either, please) regarding the current state of Washington the city, but the current baseball team fulfills the last portion of that saying, substituting "National" for "American".
The Nats seemingly have everything going for them -- a new park, solid ownership and a fanbase that allegedly was begging for a major league team since the 1970's. And instead, what they have is a collection of kids and castoffs.
Sure, Adam Dunn will hit a few homers. And sure, John Lannan is a decent pitcher -- he'd be a #2 or #3 starter on many teams. This year, Joel Hanrahan will be the one racking up whatever saves the Nats do get (although, Jesus Colome has four spring saves while Hanrahan is off with team USA in the WBC, and has thrown well this spring, with a 1.13 ERA and no walks in 8.1 innings). The most intriguing player, to me, on this year's Nats is Shairon Martis, a 22-year-old righty from Curacao who the Nats thought so highly of that they wouldn't let him pitch for the Netherlands in the WBC. Martis is listed as the Nationals' fifth starter, but by midseason he might be the best pitcher in their rotation. They also just signed Joe Beimel, one of the better lefthanded relievers in the game -- not that he's going to have much to relieve.
The 2008 Nats were 14th in runs scored and 14th in runs allowed. They have some good hitters -- Dunn, Ryan Zimmerman, Nick Johnson (until he gets hurt again). But they will need to score more runs to have any chance of getting out of last place. The only one of their (semi) regulars having a decent spring is Austin Kearns (.333), but he's leading the team with only 7 RBI.
Prediction: last place, although they might have enough firepower to get under 90 losses.
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My preseason guess
1. Florida Marlins
Yup, that’s right, I’m going the Marlins. I think they have the best rotation in the division (and I think they’ve got a top 7 rotation in all of baseball). Al, Lindstrom actually throws gas. It’s just flat, and his secondary stuff and control are inconsistent. Think Farnsworth without the headcase issues. That said, I’m not particularly huge on Lindstrom. I think he can work as a solid closer, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they found someone else by midseason. It very well could be Jose Ceda. Offensively, they should be solid, as I expect a bounce back year from Jeremy Hermida to balance any lost power, and they will be more well-rounded with the speed additions. Defensively, they should be improved as well. It’ll be close with the Phillies and Mets, so I could see it go to any of the three teams. They’ve got a fabulous system that, if they are close, could allow them to make multiple big moves if they so desired. I’ll guess 88-93 wins for them.
2. New York Mets
After years of eh in the rotation, it’s finally solid. No, it doesn’t have a guy that stands out as a number 2 after Johan, but in Oliver, John, and Mike, they have three solid starters that show flashes. They’ll have enough 5th starter options. The pen should be solid, although will it be as good as people expect? I’m not sure, but it should be a vast improvement from last year. Actually, if I have a concern, it is the offense. Even then, it should be a capable unit. All in all, they are fairly comparable with the Marlins, but the Marlins system depth allows them more flexibility if things are close. I’ll guess 86-92 wins.
3. Philadelphia Phillies
The Marlins/Mets/Phillies, are the 2-4 teams, on paper, in the NL entering the year (with the Cubs being first). That said, much as I like the Phillies, a lot of things went right for them last year. For them to repeat this year, they need Myers to step forward. There’s some rotation depth, with youngster Carlos Carrasco about ready, but they need that 2nd quality starting arm. Myers history of inconsistency has me wondering, at the beginning of the year, if he will dominate all year in a rough division. I also think they’ll miss Pat the Bat more than they realize. He offered them better lineup balance. I like Ibanez, but that big righty bat may be something they end up missing. The bullpen should be excellent once again, and a decent system could play a role in helping them if they are close. I’ll guess 86-92 wins for the Phillies as well.
4. Atlanta Braves
In all actuality, their offseason focus was as much on 2010 as it was on 2009. In 2010, Hudson should be back at full strength, and Tommy Hanson will have another year of development. Some more quality talent in the A ball ranks will have made their way up, either to the bigs, or as quality trade assets. That said, after starting horribly, they ended up with a decent offseason. Vazquez should be a solid 2/3 type starter in the NL that will eat a ton of innings, and while Lowe isn’t your prototypical 1, he is a solid staff leader option. Jurrjens might be better than both of them, but due to age, he’s probably the “3” entering the year. Kawakami and Glavine should be fine for the back end, although they have more than enough options to fill things out, enough that they are rumored to be shopping back end arms. That bullpen worries a bit for 2009, as of now, though. Gonzalez and Soriano simply don’t have the history, although they have the stuff. If both are healthy, then it’s a solid looking pen. If not, it’s a bit iffy. That said, for me, the biggest issue is the offense, an offense that needs a healthy Chipper Jones all year to have a shot, and a healthy Chipper Jones all year (or most of the year) is unlikely these days. If Chipper isn’t healthy, they’ll need Francoeur to finally develop, Garrett Anderson to find some youth, Kotchman to find some power, or Schafer to emerge sooner than later. Short of it is, a lot of things I wouldn’t go to the bank with. Furthermore, can Escobar take a step forward offensively? They also don’t have an ideal table setter, although with the other offensive issues, that isn’t a big concern right now (Josh Anderson has the speed – can he get on base enough?). The system has the upside, but some of the high end assets likely won’t be available, so they’ll need other guys to really emerge to have the top end assets necessary. Come 2010, though, they could look very exciting. I’ll guess 80-85 wins.
5. Washington Nationals
The system is a mess. The big league team isn’t pretty. All in all, it will be a long year in the nation’s capital, with a rotation that, on paper right now, is one of the worst in the bigs, a pen that is iffy and relying on failed prospects from other organizations (Joel Hanrahan is a decent arm, but I don’t buy him as a quality closer yet), a lineup banking on the return of health of Nick Johnson (which is a big if), and a team loaded with OF’s that show flashes, but are still inconsistent. Even Milledge isn’t as well thought of. The only intrigue? One of the games’ best at 3rd in Ryan Zimmerman won’t get nearly as much attention as he should. The mercurial Elijah Dukes might be able to put together a quality offensive year. Jordan Zimmerman is close to being big league ready, and a couple young arms show enough to offer some modicum of hope that they can develop into useful assets.
Oh, the biggest excitement? Perhaps midseason … as two top 10 picks (and potentially, Strasburg) could make the system look much better right away, and some of their veterans could get shopped (I can see Dunn/Willingham/Guzman and others getting shopped and perhaps having a market for their ability).
Fish Finish First
I agree with you. The Marlins are doing a lot of smart things. They have a good chance of winning that division.
I don't think people realize just how good that rotation could be
Nolasco and Johnson looked good down the stretch. Volstad was solid. The number 4 and 5 guys are, I think, Andrew Miller, former number 1 pick, and Anibal Sanchez. For end of the rotation guys, they have electric stuff and huge potential.
Mine:
1/2 – Mets/Phils
It doesn’t matter who wins the division, because the other is gonna win the wild card.
3 – Marlins
4 – Braves
5 – Nats
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Wild Card - NL Style
I think the wildcard probably comes out of the East as well, and obviously (based on my post), I would lump the Marlins into that mix. But … I wouldn’t rule out three other teams -
Giants – Probably one good bat makes them a legitimate playoff challenger, provided their pitching is as good as expected.
Dodgers – Probably one good starter … which could come from within. Well, I guess that and staying healthy.
I have the Dodgers/Giants at the top for the NL West, so I think one of them gets in.
Cardinals – IF Carpenter is quality, and IF Motte gets a secondary pitch/Perez is more consistent, then they have to bear watching. The system is much improved, and a big impact bat like Brett Wallace may force his way in, along with Colby Rasmus, which allows them more veteran trade flexibility come midseason, which can hold quality value.
I guess if I had to rank the NL right now, I’d go
1. Cubs
2. Marlins
3. Mets
4. Phillies
5. Dodgers
6. Giants
7. Cardinals
I thought Manny Ramirez was a perfect fit for the Giants.
Has a name so would put some butts in the seats. Can play LF (well, sort of), and they need one. Can hit home runs, which they really have no one who can do that now.
If they had signed Manny I’d have made them the prohibitive favorite to win the West. As they are, they’ll struggle to get to .500.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I think they'll be in that 80-85 win range
I love the rotation, and I expect their young assets to get better. Sandoval can hit, and I think Lewis will be more useful. But for them to jump up one more level, they definitely need a big bat. I do think they left themselves some financial flexibility for midseason to see if a good deal comes along.
Keep in mind that the Giants have the assets to make a big move if they want … probably without having to give up Bumgarner or Posey.
There's no doubt the Giants have the pitching.
But, they were only middle-of-the-pack in runs allowed last year (759, 8th). They’ll have to do better than that to win, because I don’t see their offense much improved over the horrid team of 2008.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Giddy OT: I got 4 Cubs @ Yankees Saturday game for the daughter
Field Dugout 117 over the Yankee’s on-deck circle (between Yankees dugout and home plate) on the pre-sale! $50 each plus a gazillion service fees.
No StubHub, no eBay, no Craigslist.
Go Cubs!
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Congrats!
Great seats and a decent price. How much were the service fees?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
$5.60 convenience charge per ticket, $2.50 to use my printer, $3.25 to process
Total of $28.15 for the four tickets.
This is the norm for most tickets nowadays.
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
That printer fee is ridiculous.
They charge you to use your own paper and ink. What a scam.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I used the TicketFast print-at-home feature to forward the tickets to my daughter
I send her the link, she prints the tickets. Or I create a PDF, send it to her, and she prints. Quickest turnaround, fewest worries considering the game is less than two weeks away.
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Yeah, in your situation that probably works best.
Most of the time, I like hard tickets, unless it’s extremely short notice.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Hidden dig?
about Francoeur
Remember, he has over 2000 major league AB but is only 25.
I like, I like.
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Not a dig at all.
Just saying that he’s looked at as “old” but really isn’t; he just started out in the majors very young.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
compared to Micah....
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
I think my thought process got lost in cyberspace
Francoeur is only 25 with productive AB under his belt.
Micah is 29 and some are hailing him as super-rookie.
Moving forward….
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
may I had he has several good years ahead of him
he’ll have a bust-out year at 27.
[hint, hint]
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
*add not had
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
But the same really could be said for the West
They will beat up on each other as well, just because they are all equally as underwhelming (save for the Dodgers?) Parity is what causes teams to beat up on each other, not that they are all just good
Funny how loneliness sounds so good, until you hear the echoes of your soul burning a hole in your shirt. -DJM
I also agree
Their main weakness last year was the bullpen and they addressed it strongly. I don’t see that the Cubs were as productive as the Mets in the offseason. The Cubs had some clutch hitting problems, especially in the playoffs and I think they still will. If it comes to the Cubs/Mets in October, I see more failure. Not disappointment because after 40 years of rooting for them, I’m holding my excitement in check until they actually get to the WS. Sorry, but it’s taken its toll.
"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse
I wonder if the teams in the NL East
just might beat up on each other and result in the wild card coming out of the Central or West?
I’m still ruminating over my 2009 predictions.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 23, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
i disagree
I think the WC will come out of the east. The west will beat up on each other just because all the teams save for maybe the Dodgers are equally as underwhelming. But they will lose more games out side of their division unlike teams in the NL east who will probably win more. Parity causes teams to beat up on each other, not because teams are good.
Funny how loneliness sounds so good, until you hear the echoes of your soul burning a hole in your shirt. -DJM
although i do enjoy your screenname
Funny how loneliness sounds so good, until you hear the echoes of your soul burning a hole in your shirt. -DJM
Your thinking is good
except that the toughness of the NL East is going to be mitigated by how bad the Nationals are. People are also way overestimating the Marlins. They have some good young talent, but more holes than a mini-golf course. Young pitchers are also like a cute blonde with a sports car—more often than not, they break your heart. The Braves are also just OK. There bullpen is a mess, they signed Garrett Anderson for some reason, they’ve got Casey Kotchman at first base and Chipper Jones is sure to miss 25-30 games.
For now, the Phillies and Mets are the class of that division. Certainly the Brewers or the second place team in the NL West (Dodgers/Giants/Diamondbacks) could sneak into the Wild Card, but my money is on the loser of the NL East to be the WC.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 23, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
In the end, it's only guesses
On young pitchers – I agree with the basic premise that young arms break hearts. That’s always been the case. But Johnson/Nolasco have enough of a track record to think they should be solid. Johnson/Sanchez should be stronger with another year. Volstad/Miller don’t have enough of a track record to say anything definitive, so that is based on potential and limited sampling. The Marlins are better defensively this year. Now, they likely won’t close the gap between the Phillies/Mets defenses, but it should be better. The Marlins offense last year was closer to the Mets/Phillies than people think. It was, though, a home run heavy offfense that K’d too much. That’ll change this year as well. The offense should be more diverse than it has been in in year’s past.
I’d like to hear what holes you think the Marlins have, because I think I could point to similar-sized concerns with the Mets/Phillies. I just don’t see the gap between the those three teams that you seem to see. The Phillies pitching staff is really an ace, a huge unknown, and a bunch of question marks. The chances of the BP being as good is unlikely, although it should be solid. The lineup is also weaker without Pat the Bat in there. The Mets pitching staff is really an ace, 3 3/4 types, and a 5th starter. K-Rod has been on the decline such that it wouldn’t surprise me if JJ Putz is the more useful arm, with the Mets keeping him in a fireman’s role. The lineup is also top heavy. The Marlins have the best system to make deals with, and the best system to provide answers internally.
As noted, I think it should be a close race between the three, and I don’t mean to overemphasize the Mets/Phillies negatives (they should be 2 of the top 5 teams in the NL, at least, on paper right now and the Marlins certainly have questions in regards to whether or not their 4/5 starters (Sanchez/Miller) can be solid, whether their pen arms can find their roles, whether Hanley sets the table or hits lower, and if he hits lower, who leads off, whether Hermida can bounce back a bit) but I don’t see the glaring holes you seem to suggest. Again, tis just guesses, but for my money, that’s the 2nd best team in the NL right now, with arguably the 2nd or 3rd best pitching staff in the NL.
Marlins
have no first baseman (Gaby Sanchez?), no catcher, no third baseman (I’m not a believer in Cantu or McPherson) a rookie in CF who I think will struggle this season (although I like him for 2011) and Cody Ross and Jeremy Hermdia at the corners, neither of whom is very special. I also don’t like their bullpen, Ceda or no Ceda.
Both the Phillies and Mets have holes, but the Mets have Wright, Beltran and Reyes and the Phillies have Rollins, Utley and Howard (OK, I’m not a big Howard fan, but still . . .). The only player the Marlins have that can compete with those guys is Hanley Ramirez.
Defensively, Ramirez and Uggla are the worst double-play combo in the majors. That’s going to hurt their young pitchers.
Just as a note, Baseball Prospectus and PECOTA predict the Mets to win 90, the Phillies to win 87 and the Marlins to finish last with 70 wins, six games behind the Nationals and 20 games behind the Mets. Now I think they’re overrating the Nationals and underrating the Marlins, but not by the 20 games necessary to compete with the Mets and Phillies.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 23, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Re:
If we’re going solely on statistical projections (most of them, though, don’t account for the possibilities that the minors can offer, and in the Marlins case, that’s big, with a bevy of arms ready to add to the pen and several bats that will likely move faster than people think), then Gaby Sanchez and John Baker should be fine for their positions. Not top level in the NL, but fine. Maybin’s offensive issues for the upcoming year should be balanced by how he upgrades their outfield defense tremendously. I think most offensive projections have the Fish having an offense close in run production to what they did last year, which was Top 5 or so in the NL. If Hermida rebounds, they’ll be closer to last year.
Btw, Ramirez and Uggla were both around middle of the pack defenders for their positions last year, Ramirez moreso than Uggla, but I can think of 3 NL squads alone that I think have worst dp combinations off the top.
I'm not going solely on stat projections
but PECOTA has Gaby Sanchez at .244/.327/.395. That’s not exactly “fine” for first baseman. CHONE has him at .267/.347/.423, which I guess might be described as “passable.” I put more faith in PECOTA.
John Baker is .247/.330/.375 in PECOTA. CHONE is about the same at .245/.334/.366. Again, that’s not what I’d call “fine” for the starting catcher on a team looking to make the playoffs.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 24, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
On Frenchy
Francoeur is hitting .368 this spring with only one strikeout in 38 AB, so maybe he’s finally reached the potential he flashed in his half-rookie season in 2005
2005 was the year that decimated the Braves farm system. Everybody was hurt, and Skip Caray was heard to say, “Will the last player out of the minor leagues please turn out the lights?” Since seemingly everyone who could hold a bat got a chance to play for the big-league squad in real games in the middle of the season, they could all be scouted and evaluated in that light. Those who couldn’t hack it got cut, and most of them are out of baseball now. And many of those who could play at that level were seen as trade-bait for some really horrible deals.
Francoeur is still around because of his stellar numbers when he was called up, but he’s been steadily declining at the plate since. I think other teams have him figured out, but right now he’s too entrenched in the system to get sent down to Gwinnett to work out the weak spots in his batting approach. It’s a shame that he can’t work it out, but when you get used to Bobby Cox, it’s just business as usual. “When he does hit the ball, it goes a long way!”
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Well the Braves haven't cut ties yet with the trio
Glavine still believes he can pitch
#34: You'll be missed!
Hey Al...
What makes you so high on Martis? I just stashed him in my exceptionally deep fantasy league, but I’m wondering why you like him a lot… is it just the fact that the Nats held him out of the WBC?
My view on Martis
I’m not huge on Shairon … yet. He has a very live arm … hits in the 93-95 mph on the 4 seamer fairly consistently. He does have secondary pitch potential, with a curve and a change, I think (could be wrong on the breaking ball). That said, he’s inconsistent with his control and secondary options, IMO, and I think he needs more time in AAA. He did see a nice spike in a limited AAA sample size last year. I just fear that the Nationals are rushing him too quickly, when there is no need to. The upside is there to be a solid middle of the rotation arm, if not a number 2 type guy.
If there’s a Nationals arm to watch, it is Jordan Zimmerman. He probably has less upside than Martis (although Jordan still profiles as a 2, perhaps 2/3 type), but his floor seems to be higher.
Yeah
My league is a really deep keeper league (Jordan was actually drafted in my league) and I had a free roster spot, so I figured I’d pick him up when I saw Al’s endorsement. Who knows, maybe he’ll be awesome :)
well, how deep can you guys draft from?
if this is a deep keeper league, then it might be worth it to grab someone lower and just stash away.
Short of it is, I don’t think Martis is that good to be a clear cut definitely stash away guy (most systems have someone similar to Shairon Martis), but he’s not a bad option.
Martis is pretty young...
… so yes, he might spend some more time in AAA. But with the Nats so bad this year, why not give him major league experience?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Well
I’d argue that, since they are likely to be horrible, it’d be safer to try him in AAA. There’s too many cases of guys jumping to the bigs to quick and not being able to adjust and correct their mistakes, for one reason or another. With nothing to benefit, why not keep him stashed away in AAA?
I'm glad you didn't say K-Rod
I hate that nickname.

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