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Know Your Enemy: National League West

Lordy, this is a bad division. Last year, there was some worry that it might be won with a sub-.500 record, and that did almost happen; the Dodgers sneaked in the title with only 84 wins, tied for the third-lowest division winning victory total ever (1984 Royals, 84; 2007 Cardinals, 83; 1973 Mets, 82). As late as September 8, 2008, the Dodgers were the only team in the division over .500, and at that only 73-71.

I'm here to tell you it's not going to be that much better in 2009 -- and of course, that means, probably, that we'll be surprised by one of these teams.

1) LOS ANGELES DODGERS I wouldn't have made this choice before LA re-signed Manny Ramirez. It's Manny's presence, more than anything else, that put the Dodgers, 54-54 when he was acquired, into the postseason. Manny hit .396/.489/.743 in 53 Dodger games, and of course, helped demolish the Cubs in the playoffs (I still can't believe that homer he golfed into the bleachers off Z). The Dodgers had good pitching, too, last year, but in 2009 that's not one of their strengths. Derek Lowe is gone, and that leaves Hiroki Kuroda, Randy Wolf and Chad Billingsley to "anchor" the rotation (and Billingsley suffered a minor groin strain in yesterday's game vs. the Angels). The Dodgers currently list Eric Milton as #4 on their starting depth chart (in reality, it's probably Clayton Kershaw). That's pretty scary. The bullpen is OK, led by closer Jonathan Broxton, but they may be trailing in too many games for him to make a difference. LA will hit and score some runs, and they will need to in order to boost a pitching staff that's not a good as last year's. It will still be enough to win this division.

Dodgers having good springs include Russell Martin (.423 after returning from the WBC) and Kuroda (0.75 ERA in four starts).

2) COLORADO ROCKIES The Rockies defended their 2007 NL title by, essentially, falling flat on their butts. They came out of the gate slowly, losing five of their first six, and when Troy Tulowitzki went down with an injury, that marked the beginning of a struggle of a season for the Rox. Tulowitzki's outstanding rookie year in 2007 not only provided good numbers for Colorado, but also leadership and the "heart & soul", for lack of a better term. Todd Helton, in his declining years, also got hurt and had the worst year of his career, playing only two games after July 2.

This year, healthy, the Rockies also feature something that's been rare for a Colorado team -- good young pitching. They'll need Jeff Francis to reclaim his 2007 numbers, but Ubaldo Jimenez, Aaron Cook and Franklin Morales provide the Rockies with a far better rotation than they may have had in any time in franchise history. With Brian Fuentes gone, either Manny Corpas (who has had some Marmol-like meltdowns in between looking unhittable) or former A Houston Street will close.

There's no doubt the Rockies will miss Matt Holliday's bat, but one hitter who may step into the breach is catcher Chris Iannetta, who recovered from a bad rookie year in 2007 to hit 18 HR in only 333 at-bats in 2008. There's something about this team I like. If there's a surprise team in the NL in 2009, it very well might be the Rockies, who bottomed out at 32-51 on June 30, 2008, and went 42-37 after that date.

3) ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS The Diamondbacks are... well, they're a fooler. They're the team that you always dismiss, and then somehow, some way, they find a way to contend, or at least to poke their noses in where they don't belong. Or sometimes the other way around -- last year, they looked like they were going to run away with the West early. They came into Chicago on May 9 at 23-12, 3.5 games in first place, and the Cubs swept 'em, and despite the fact that they led the West most of the way until September, the rest of the year was a struggle.

The D'backs have some pretty good frontline starters in Brandon Webb and Dan Haren, and have added inning-eater Jon Garland as their #3. The bullpen, not so much. Ex-Astro Chad Qualls will close, but he's prone to major meltdowns at times. He did save seven games last September without incident.

Adam Dunn's brief tenure in Arizona is over, so the D'backs' lineup is virtually the same as it was in 2008, with the exception of Felipe Lopez, expected to start at 2B. Justin Upton is one of the finest young outfielders in the game -- only 20, he could have a breakout season in 2009.

D'backs having good springs include Chris Young (.364, 2 HR) and Yusmeiro Petit (1.13 ERA in 8 IP). All the top three starters -- Webb, Haren and Garland -- have been pounded pretty hard so far.

4) SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS I just don't understand why the Giants didn't go for broke and sign Manny Ramirez. He fit their needs perfectly. He's a superstar name -- would have sold some tickets. They needed a left fielder (Fred Lewis? Please). And, their cleanup hitter and leading home run hitter last year was catcher Bengie Molina, who hit 16.

If the Giants had signed Manny, they would have been prohibitive favorites to win this division, because they have outstanding starting pitching, beginning with Cy Young winner Tim Lincecum, and continuing with Matt Cain (a hard-luck 8-14 in 2008). Jonathan Sanchez has talent, and you figure Barry Zito might be good for one good year out of that 17,000-year deal he signed a few years back.

Without Manny, the Giants' power hope is rookie 3B Pablo Sandoval, only 22 years old. Sandoval hit 20 HR in 112 minor league games last year and three more (and .345) in 145 major league AB (which means he won't qualify for the 2009 Rookie of the Year voting, which probably won't stop some writers from voting for him anyway).

The Giants have some talent. It's been speculated that a good deal for both teams would be to send Matt Cain to Milwaukee for Prince Fielder. It may never happen, and the Giants will show flashes of good play when their pitchers are on. But in the long run, they're consigned to fourth place.

Travis Ishikawa, who will start at 1B this year for SF, has 5 HR with a .321 average so far this spring. He has zero walks, though, and didn't walk much in 95 AB last year (9 times), so if pitchers figure him out, that average could go down quickly.

5) SAN DIEGO PADRES Here's all you have to know about the 2009 Padres: Kevin Towers recently said that he expected to have as many as four relievers on his Opening Day roster who aren't on the team now -- meaning he's going to be scouring the waiver wire or guys who are let go because they're out of options for other teams.

This is a bad, bad, bad, BAD team. Adrian Gonzalez is a good player -- the best they have. Chase Headley has a chance to be a good player -- he's dominated his minor leagues the last two years. They have a couple of decent starters (although Jake Peavy -- remember him? -- has been hit hard in the WBC) and a guy who can close (if they can ever get a lead to him) in Heath Bell.

I expect the Padres to lose well over 100 games.

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I had forgotten about that.

Still, I like the Rockies’ chances to recover from their bad 2008.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more Rockies tidbit

Former Cubs and Rockies manager Don Baylor is now the hitting coach in Colorado.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Mar 24, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the Diamondbacks to win the division, with the Dodgers contending

They have some potential in their young hitters. Two starters who will give them a chance to win, every start. They don’t have much in the way of solid power, though.

For the Dodgers, Chad Billingsley is pretty good. Gets ugly from there, as Al said. Again, good young hitters here, mixed with Manny.

I’d prefer to go with the team with two aces.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 24, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Dodgers' rotation

is a serious question mark, especially if Bills is in line to be hit with the Verducci Effect.

Of course, I am also a totally unbiased source. ;-)

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 24, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My take on the NL West

1. San Francisco Giants – Excellent rotation, arguably the best in the game. The pen has a chance to be solid, although I’m not huge on Brian Wilson as a closer. There’s solid matchup capability back there, and there’s different looks. They need one more bat, although I expect Sandoval to rake, Ishikawa to be decent, and Fred Lewis to improve. The system is strong enough that they can perhaps make a big move at midseason without giving up their top two pieces. They’ll have some issues defensively, though. I’m going back and forth on a win range guess – I’m thinking 82-88.

2. Los Angeles Dodgers – The bullpen should be solid. The lineup should be strong. They are somewhat the opposite of San Francisco – they need one more starter, but unlike San Fran, their chances of finding that answer internally are quite high, as Kershaw/McDonald both have the upside. I’m thinking somewhere from 82-88 wins.

3. Arizona Diamondbacks – A very solid rotation, some questions about the pen although it has a chance to be decent. They need a couple of their young bats to really take steps forward, enough to anchor the middle of that lineup. If so, they’ve got a shot to surprise. That said, money problems and an iffy system may limit their ability to really contend. I’ll guess 78-81 wins.

4. Colorado Rockies – A weak to average rotation coupled with an iffy pen doesn’t look good on paper. The future is bright in Colorado, but as of now, there’s a 2/3 starter in Aaron Cook, a young upside arm in Jiminez, and then a bunch of back of the rotation guys. I don’t love the offense either, although it’s one that should put up numbers. They are sort of a team in transition, trying to work in their young pieces across the board. 2010 may hold more promise – I’m thinking 72-77 wins this year.

5. San Diego Padres – They are waiting on the future. A lot of raw upside in the lower levels, coupled with some solid looking pieces in AA hold some hope, but they need another strong draft and international signing cycle, plus another year or two of development. They’ll be watching some critical youngsters this year – Headley and Hundley top the list. I still wouldn’t be surprised if they move Peavy to clear some salary … and I wouldn’t be stunned if they moved Adrian if they can get a huge package in return.

by toonsterwu on Mar 24, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Giants have an excellent rotation? Arguably the best in the game?

Yes, Lincecum is possibly the best pitcher in the game. Cain is very good as well. Other than that? Zito? Johnson (45 years old)? Sanchez?

Angels, Twins, Cubs, Marlins, Diamondbacks, Red Sox, Yanks

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Mar 24, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops, those teams mentioned above

all have better rotations than the Giants.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Mar 24, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, Al was right...

you’re arguing about the Giants rotation being the best in the game.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 24, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am?

Damn, they got me. That’s how good they are.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Mar 24, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For 2009, right?

I’m not definitely not looking long term. But Lincecum is arguably the top pitcher in the game. Johnson was real solid last year and I think he’ll be fine this year considering he’s also moving to a better stadium, and I think Cain/Sanchez will both improve (Sanchez was excellent for the first half before he tired the 2nd half). I think you can live with Lowry/Zito at 5.

Basing it off what we know (I never rule out fluke seasons), I’d take them over the Twins (Liriano was a shell of his former self, still a potentially great number 2 starter that is a decent ace, Baker’s a nice 2/3 arm), Diamondbacks (Webb/Haren are good, but I’d take Lincecum and Johnson or Cain as equal or better and I’d take the 3-5 of the Giants over Davis, Scherzer, Garland), Angels (Lackey’s fine, after that it is Santana, whose history runs hot and cold, and then it is guys like Weaver/Saunders/Moseley/Adenhart/Loux … guys who, if they max out, are at best, mid-rotation arms).

Again, I did say arguably. I’d probably take the Yankees as 1. After that, I’d put the Giants. If we’re honest about our rotation, Dempster still has to be a question mark where the expectation is that he regresses a bit and Zambrano, well, outside of his huge personality, if we’re honest, he’s not an ace and hasn’t been for awhile, and he’s also been in a decline for many years. The Marlins rotation tempts me, as I noted in Al’ NL East thread, but there is a lot of unknown there with the young arms. I think they’ll be fine, and I’d be okay if someone was ballsy and said the Marlins had the best rotation in the game, but I’m not at that point. Red Sox are up there IF Matsuzaka ever becomes consistent and if Lester continues performing strong (Beckett can also get better, but he never fell apart as much as people suggested). A lot of questions there.

I don’t think people realize how good Randy Johnson was last year. Add in Cain/Sanchez, and yes, I stand by that I think that, as of right now, a good argument can be made that the Giants have the best rotation in the game.

by toonsterwu on Mar 24, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually have had a post stashed away

Ranking the rotations as of now, along with my take, but I haven’t had time to clean the post up.

Just my 2 cents, focusing on the complete picture, including health, elite talent, possible development, depth, amongst other things. I’ll see if I have time in the next few days. As of my last work on that post, I had my Top 10 as

1. Yankees
2. Giants
3. Red Sox (am thinking about flipping Boston to 2)
4. Marlins
5. Rays
6. Cubs
7. Diamondbacks
8. Twins
9. Angels
10. Mets

Gotta look through it again, though, particularly from about 8 and on. I feel fairly comfortable making cases that those top 6 teams are, in some order, the top 7 rotations, on paper, as of now.

by toonsterwu on Mar 24, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think that the Giants have a lot of question marks

Can Johnson hold up another season at the age of 45? Its not like he is a finesse pitcher that can get by on guts and guile.

Zito is horrible, I’m sorry, I would rather have Marquis as a 5th starter than Zito

Sanchez is 26 and hasn’t been a very good pitcher during his stint in the majors. Having an ERA over 5 is not a very good sign. Its not like he is 23 and has room to grow. I don’t think he is over the hill, obviously he’s only 26, but his window is shrinking. He very well turn a corner, I’ll give you that.

As I said, Cain is good, but 217 innings on a 23 year old’s arm is a lot. Plus Lincecum, as I also said, is arguably the best pitcher in the game.

Yes, they could have a good, even great, rotation. However, there is just as likely a chance that it is not very good as well.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Mar 24, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My take

And as always, I want to note that I’m only offering my 2 cents … I only do rankings for discussion value (that is, I’m not presumptuous enough to think I know anything).

1) Johnson has actually somewhat reinvented himself. He’s not a power pitcher anymore, well, not really. He hasn’t been for a couple years. He’s more a low 90’s guy, still with a solid slider, but he succeeds when he locates. I’m not that concerned for 2009. I guess I’m saying I think he’s got more guts and guile than commonly perceived. I think he’ll be a solid 2/3.

2) Okay, then put Lowry in there. Short of it is, I guess, I am high enough on the front 4.

3) So the front 4. Leaving Timmy and Randy aside, I do acknowledge that I am projecting on both Cain and Sanchez. Let’s start with Sanchez – a power lefty with a solid 3 pitch arsenal. Essentially, what we had hoped Donnie Veal would develop into. He had a tale of two halves, but even if you look at his final statistics, they weren’t that bad and closer to a guy like Francisco Liriano/Daisuke Matsuzaka than many would think at first thought. If you assume that he gets stronger and can put together a more complete season, then he’s more of a 2/3 than many are thinking. In Cain’s case, there are some trouble signs that have to worry in terms of whether or not Cain can get a lot better. But all the raw tools are there and he’s already a solid 2/3. I do worry about the wear and tear long run, but I’m not looking at that for why I listed the Giants as 2.

I guess this leads to

4) Is there a range between the Giants floor and ceiling? Without a doubt. Worst case, I think this is an above average rotation where Sanchez/Johnson/Cain are more “3” types (best case is that Sanchez/Cain take a step forward and emerge as solid 2’s and Johnson stays steady). I would say though, that almost all the rotations have this risk potential. Only the Yankees can be considered somewhat solid due to track record. I mean, Matusazaka is not nearly as good as his hype (now, if he ever gets consistent, then watch out). Can the old/young arms in the Red Sox back end hold up? Marlins are young/Rays are young. Can Big Z bounce back, because right now, he’s more of a middle of the rotation starter if we are willing to be fair.

by toonsterwu on Mar 24, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Padres traded Gonzalez,

there would be 10K in Petco per game. The fan base is already waiting for the eventual Peavy deal by the trade deadline, so the disposal of A-Gon would put them over the edge. That suggested trade won’t happen, for the sake of PR.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 24, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd LOVE to see him in Cubbie Blue.

My favorite to replace Lee when his contract expires.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Mar 24, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adrian Gonzalez...

… will be a highly-sought-after free agent when he’s eligible. By then Padres ownership will have changed, though, and maybe they’ll keep him.

A much more likely scenario to replace D-Lee in 2011 is having Aramis Ramirez move to 1B and by then Josh Vitters may be ready.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was in the car today laughing at the radio sports goofs.

They were agonizing over the future of first and third when Lee’s contract is complete.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Mar 24, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hadn't thought of that scenario

and it makes a whole lot of sense. I do like the idea quite a bit, actually.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Mar 24, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't rule it completely out

Kyle Blanks looks close to ready at first base … if they felt he was … and that he would hit for power and average, as many expect, and if they could net a huge package, and i emphasize huge, for AGon, then it would make some sense, particularly if they get some top level arms for him.

Admittedly, the more realistic scenario is dealing Blanks, but the Padres shouldn’t rule anything out. The fan base is already unhappy. Not saying an AGon deal will happen, just saying that there’s some rationale for why it’s been speculated upon.

by toonsterwu on Mar 24, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More likely,

they’ll sign some “exciting” free agent outfielder. That’s Jeff Moorad’s style.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 24, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's better off signing an "exciting"

pitcher. OF is the one spot that the system has some intriguing pieces in, with the sweet hitting Kulbacki and Cedric Hunter, along with prospects at other positions that may have to move to OF (well, Headley is already there).

by toonsterwu on Mar 25, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not much argument here.

I’m just making a prediction based on our experience with him as President of the Dbacks’ org.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 25, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Giants are going to be tough.

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by drodd on Mar 24, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

3-team race between Dodgers, Giants and D-Backs

I expect the Dodgers to pull away in the end. Look for Russell Martin to emerge as a star player in 2009.

 But this race comes down to the developmental progress of all that young talent in Arizona. If Justin Upton, Stephen Drew, Conor Jackson, Chris Young and some of those exceptional young pitchers take the next step than the D-Backs could be the best team in all the National League.

by BLou on Mar 24, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Russell Martin was a star player last year.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martin

To me, Russell Martin is one of the best players in the game that few talk about. Not only can he hit for average and drive in runs, but he also is the second best defensive catcher in baseball next to Yadier Molina. He’s a real leader on that Dodger team too. The presence of Manny hitting # 3 is going to have a big positive impact on Martin. And James Loney.

by BLou on Mar 24, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may be due to the fact that Russell Martin plays for a West coast team.

Most people are sleeping when those games are played.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Mar 24, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah....

the west coast is almost deserted, nobody lives out here. It’s like Montana.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 24, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

West Coast?

ESPN informs me that that place does not exist.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 24, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't feel so bad.

They don’t think the Midwest exists, either.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Lordy this is a bad division."

It may be, but the Cubs have been the Playoff Bitch to this division two years in a row.

Al: Maybe we should refrain from statements like this and our playoff karma may improve (knocking on wood as I hope the Cubs have the chance to make it to the post-season again this year!).

Just a suggestion from a guy who lives in the “land of the karma conscious”…

As far as the Cubs have been concerned, this is a division that we are 0-6 against in the play-offs. That seems like a tough division to me (when it matters).

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Mar 24, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BURN

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 24, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was then, this is now.

Maybe we can play someone else this year.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, except for that first line, let me complement you

on an excellent write up.

(No reason to end this discussion with just a negative note about bad karma.)

As one who lives out here with these five teams, I have no idea who will will it. My guess is it will be like most years in the West: 3-4 teams will still be close on August 15 and whoever plays the best over the last 50 games will win it.

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Mar 24, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Felipe Lopez...ohh

Now there’s a switchhitting utility IF/OF guy I’d rather have on our team than Aaron Miles. Talk about missing the boat there, Hendry!

Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.

by IowaCubs- on Mar 24, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jim Hendry really screwed up on Aaron Miles

Ryan Theriot and Mike Fontenot are already defensively challenged enough. The Cubs need a primary utility infielder who carries a slick glove and can play 3rd, SS and 2nd. Aaron Miles fails on those two counts and is a bad fit for this team. Unless he becomes platoon partner with Fontenot and Jim Hendry goes out and acquires another real middle infielder for the bench.

by BLou on Mar 24, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To spin this in an optimistic way...

If this is the worst problem our team has to face in ‘09, then I’m okay with it.

Something tells me that a DeRosa/Wigginton/Lopez type of guy will be coming our way sometime before the trading deadline.

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by IowaCubs- on Mar 24, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean if the Indians tank early...

they might trade DeRosa BACK to us?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 24, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant...

We’ll probably be looking for another utility infielder guy as the trading deadline approaches. I’m thinking someone of the DeRosa mold — multiple position type. Not sure who that would be.

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by IowaCubs- on Mar 24, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Manny Trillo or Keith Moreland will unretire and we can sign them up

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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 24, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Micah for DeRosa?

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by dtpollitt on Mar 24, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Hafner stinks again this year and Micah performs,

they might even like that idea.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Mar 24, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

They dealt for Matt LaPorta for a reason, and most expect Victor Martinez to have to move to DH/1st sooner than later. Add in Beau Mills/Wes Hodges and they have enough 1st/DH options. Granted, some of those guys can play other positions, albeit none can play any other spot real well (Hodges below average at 3rd, LaPorta isn’t an ideal OF but you could live with it if he performs offensively).

by toonsterwu on Mar 24, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you can almost always count on

the Dodgers making moves to improve before the deadline. Their roster for the stretch run and possible playoffs is always seems to be in flux right up to the end.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Mar 24, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two-way race between Dodgers and D'Backs

I don’t think this division will be as bad as it has been in years past. The D’Backs have a very good young team and have a formidable rotation, probably an average bullpen. The Dodgers have a good offensive team, with or without Ramirez but he pushes them over the edge. Kemp, Ethier, Loney, Furcal, Ramirez are all either established veterans or up-and-coming stars.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Mar 24, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, can't forget about Martin

Plus the Dodgers defense will help a questionable rotation. Furcal and Hudson are both plus defenders who will really help that team up the middle.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Mar 24, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Furcal, maybe,

but any serious Dbacks fan will tell you that Orlando Hudson’s defense is extremely overrated…. better than Jeff Kent’s? Almost certainly, but by just about every modern defensive metric, O-Dawg’s D declined every year he was a Dback.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 24, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Thanks for the insight D’Backs fan. I had no idea that Hudson’s defense was overrated. I always thought that that was one of the positive aspects of his game.

He doesn’t hit for power, doesn’t drive in a lot of runs, doesn’t steal bases, has good, not great, batting average and on base skills. So what is good about O-Dog?

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Mar 24, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's funny?

He talks a lot? He’s a switch-hitter?

I’m not saying his defense is below average, (although some might make that argument based on metrics) I’m just saying that he’s not nearly as good as his reputation claims.

He’s one of those players who can turn a dazzling-looking double play, which you remember, and then not be able to get to some ground balls, which you don’t.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 24, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Hudson’s defense has always been overrated a tad, but once upon a time he was good. Last year, though, not so much. I think teams caught onto that, which is why he never got the intrigue he thought he’d get.

by toonsterwu on Mar 24, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

the wrist injury that still hasn’t completely healed won’t help, either…. the past two seasons, O-Dawg has ended the year on the DL due to hand or wrist injuries. NOT good for a middle IF.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 24, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

add in his offense benefitting from Chase Field

plus 2nd base not exaclty a hard position to field, and it makes a lot of sense why teams were wary.

by toonsterwu on Mar 24, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

His OPS+ over his 4 years with the Blue Jays? 97, 97, 98 and 91. Over his 3 years with the Dbacks? 102, 106, 108. Yes, they’re good #s for a MI, but you have to wonder how he’ll do at Chavez Ravine. In his career, his OPS drops 64 points between Chase Field and Dodger Stadium — and that’s even with a higher BABIP in LA.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 24, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

personally

I thought they poured money down the drain. While Blake Dewitt isn’t an ideal 2nd baseman defensively, I think he could be capable there.

Granted, maybe they had spare change lying around and really wanted the versatility. Hmm … a versatile youngster that can play 2nd and 3rd … where are all the Cubs fans clamoring for a backup 3rd baseman? I doubt the Dodgers would deal Dewitt (although they have MI and 3rd base prospects in the system) as Torre is high on him, although I don’t think Dewitt is untouchable.

(as for people that have missed my posts on this topic, I do agree, ideally, we need a better backup third baseman, but I also want that big bench bat and thus am open to Hoffpauir, who I’m not huge on either. I can live with Miles at 3rd to finish a game, maybe spot for a game but not long term, so we would need someone at AAA to call up. The bigger problem is that it’s a bunch of mismatched pieces. I don’t care about Miles (negatively) to the extent that others do in that, he’s fine for depth. He’s the type of versatile guy to stash on the bench. My bigger issue is that we’re carrying Reed Johnson and Joey Gathright. That said, I understand the desire for a speed guy. The ideal situation? Having our backup MI (Miles) or OF (Johnson) have speed, allowing us to stash a power bat as a backup OF/pinch hitter, thus creating another opening. Short of it is, it’s a shame the Miles/Gathright/Johnson trio couldn’t be somehow combined into 2 players).

by toonsterwu on Mar 24, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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