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In what scenario do the Cubs not win the NL Central by ten games?

I just read an interesting article by Gammons on ESPN.com about how everyone is searching for pitchign except for a few teams. He lists us as one of the tams that is searching for pitchng becuase of Harden and becuase no one knows how the Gregg Marmol duel will turn out.

 

Hwever the thing that interested me the most was the following tidbit, "The Cardinals and Reds can push the Cubs."

 

Really? I jsut dont see it unless we lose three of the following at the same time (Soto, Bradley, Harden, Rammy, soriano Z) ANd that would have to be for a really long extended period of time I for one am confident that Harden is now going to hold up. They are talking about him lke he finally is figuring it out how to do it. I am also confident that Gameboard is not only gong to stay healthy but he has a legitimate MVP chance. Soto improves Rammy is what he is and if Z is consistent then wow. THis team is really good.

 

SO that eads to thee question if the Cubs dont have a rash of terrible injuries (or even if they do, we werent exactly all too healthy alst year because i would argue as we go soriano goes and he was on the DL twice. how can we not wn the nl central?

 

We are so close!!!!!

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Much would

have to happen. Lilly returns to his former self. Soto second season suffers. Lee is washed up. Theriot falls off. Dome never succeeds. Dempster like Lilly returns to his pre closer days form. The kid at second Fonty never materializes.

Yes if many of these things happen, sure any team could push them. But for all of the above to happen I think is a stretch.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 27, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Based on History,

the Cubs don’t always perform well when predicted to win the Division. Hell, in 2004 many thought they would be in the series and look how that turned out.

The cards could get another #1 pitcher and Carpenter could be back in full. Pujols can carry that team when the pitching is solid. Age, Injuries, and improved competition before the trade deadline can derail any team.

I’m still going to watch the regular season and see how this plays out. : I

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Mar 27, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs were picked to win the division last year

and they delivered. I’m not too worried about not winning the Central. Should be by 5+ games.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Mar 27, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

2008 looked pretty solid to me.

The Cubs were picked to go all the way last year and they almost did .. and only because they played every single game like they wanted to WIN them, between Lou’s ubermanagement and the endless shuffling of lineups and players playing like they truly believed they could win .. and DID.

THAT is what a championship team does … Now if they can ONLY take that mindset into the post season, the sky was the limit and still is.

I think the Cubs have all the potential to repeat last year … bar none

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Mar 27, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A repeat of last year

might kill me.

October was a dark month last year.

by mykalmorgan on Mar 30, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he said "push" not "knock out of the way."

And I’ll say it again: The Reds are a dangerous team. They’re mostly young and no one is really expecting them to do too much, which means they could very well do a lot. They have speed in Dickerson and Taveras, and pop in Votto, Bruce, Encarnacion and Phillips.

Their rotation is pretty good, too. If Harang can rebound and Arroyo can stay consistent with what he did in the second half of last year, the Cubs could be in some trouble. Volquez has ace stuff and Cueto was a prized prospect for a reason. I think Micah Owings is projected as the fifth starter. He doesn’t scare me too much (unless he’s at the plate with runners in scoring position and the Cubs pitcher forgets who he is).

Fortunately, Dusty Baker is their manager, which I think could lead to a lot of internal dissension.

And the Cards are the Cards. They always compete – especially if Carpenter really is back. You can never really count them out until they’ve been mathematically eliminated.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 27, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It really doesn't matter what we think on March 27.

Injuries can happen. Players can have fluke good years on other teams.

Yes, on paper, the Cubs look that much better than the rest of the Central. Ask yourself this: On March 27, 2008, did you think the 2008 Cubs were a 97-win team?

Me either. That’s why they play the games.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 27, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right.

I mean, it’s nice to have a team that looks good on paper, because it’s more fun to read/hear about that then, “Wow, these guys got nothin’. Offense, rotation, bullpen. Nothin’.” (See: Padres, San Diego.) But they’ve still got to prove it on the field. I think Lou said recently that this team has a target on its back – everyone knows they’re the favorites, so everyone’s going to bring their A game.

I’m really trying to be less superstitious this year, but I don’t really want to get into assuming how many games the Cubs will win the division by. It could be 10, it could be 2. I just hope they do it. And I certainly don’t want to get into speculating about all the nightmare scenarios of everything that could go wrong.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 27, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

... and therein is the answer to the post

We generally assume we are better than the rest based on a 97 win season, and feel barring injury it will be repeated. If not, it would a fluke.

But, what if the fluke was last year’s 97 win season? Dempster, Soto, Marmol, and Theriot all over achieved last year. If they settle back into a more average level and Lee and Soriano continue their flat performance, then maybe we will be saying 08 was the fluke?

Hope not, just normal pre-season apprehension.
However, I agree, let just play the games.

by BatCubFan on Mar 27, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs By Six Games Over Cards

I’ve got the Cubs picked to win the division at 92-70 with the Cardinals coming in second at 86-76. I don’t think the Cubs are going to win the NL Central by 10 games or more. If Harden and Bradley both miss a lot of time with injuries, and Carpenter and Glaus, both coming back from injuries, return to form for St. Louis, the Cardinals could win the division. I would be happy with the Cubs winning the division by six in the regular season. I would be a lot happier with the Cubs winning 11 in postseason play in 2009.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Mar 27, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm less worried

about the Cards than I am the Reds. Count me with Daver; the Reds potential scares me.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Mar 27, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So far, the players are saying all the right things.

But other than the obvious pitfall of injuries, the thing this team needs to do is keep their focus day-to-day, series-to-series, throughout the year. They can’t fall into the “I can’t wait to redeem myself in the playoffs, why are we going through another 162 game season before the playoffs start?” trap. There is no doubt that they are the best team in the division. But on any given day, Houston, Milwaukee, and St. Louis can out-slug with their offense. They don’t have the pitching that we do, but anyone who thinks they are going to be easy opponents has another think coming. I know it’s a cliche, but over 162 games, the only ones who can really beat the Cubs (for the division title I mean) are themselves.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Mar 27, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

a players strike 9 games into the season

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 27, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you just went all biblical on our asses.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 27, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 27, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang, what church does she attend?

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 27, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa ... now that is an eschatological woman if I ever seens one

F.F. Bruce and Gordon Fee, if only you were Cubs fans ..

i ay chihuahua !

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Mar 27, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That'd be the worst possible scenario.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 27, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scenerio is Cubs win 99 games

Cards or Reds or Brewers or Pirates win 100

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 27, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Easily

Dempster reverts to his old ways, Harden gets hurt for a lengthy period of time, ditto for Bradley, Lee continues his decline, Marshall gets exposed as a full time starter, Soriano hurts his calves again, Soto proves to be a one year wonder and Ramirez presses too much to make up for all those guys mentioned above etc etc.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Mar 27, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

See, this is exactly the kind of nightmare scenario talk I was hoping to avoid.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 27, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think its that far fetched

all occurring at the same time might be unlikely, but none of those events would surprise me

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Mar 27, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Presuming division title before the season starts is recipe for disaster

1. St. Louis has a juggernaut offense, a returning Chris Carpenter and Tony LaRussa and Dave Duncan sitting in the dugout. Oh, and 10 World Series Championships to the franchise’s credit. You NEVER take the Cardinals lightly.

2. Cincinnati has a strong young nucleus of talent and power arms to make anyone drool. Walt Jocketty and Dusty Baker are very good baseball men too. The Reds are going to be a team to be reckoned with in the near future. Definitely so.

3. Cubs? Well, the 2008 Cubs stayed largely injury free and got solid seasons out of a lot of position players and pitchers. Law of averages says that we won’t be nearly that lucky with injuries two years in a row, especially given the veteran-laden nature of this team. Expecting such a wide swath of players to turn in career type years and/or solid performances is also wishful thinking.

Cubs are my favorite to win the NL Central. But I think it is going to be an absolute dogfight to make the playoffs right up until the end.

by BLou on Mar 27, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I almost want a fight to the end

to keep us sharp. Roll that momentum into the playoffs and on to the World Series instead of clinching the division 10 days out and sitting idle and complacent like last year.

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on Mar 27, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Cause that approach worked so well in 2007?

It doesn’t matter when you clinch. It makes no difference if it was a dogfight or if the team coasted in. Lou gave the regulars enough playing time to stay sharp. They just need to perform in the playoffs.* That is what this team didn’t do in October of ’07 or ’08.

*Easy for me to say from the chair at my desk job, huh? =)

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Mar 27, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cardinals

cannot field the ball. Their pitching is suspect. They will lose games 9-8 and 11-9.

“Dusty Baker is a very good baseball man?”

I need not even say more.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 27, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I look at their lineup and think the Cardinals will be pretty good defensively. Molina, Pujols, Glaus and Greene are all very good to great defenders. Ankiel in CF was pretty good although he had a rib injury for part of the year. Ludwick isn’t bad. If they call up Rasmus some time during the year and move Ankiel to a corner, their weaknesses will be 2nd base and LF if Carpenter is in. Schumaker might not stick there either. Will the Cubs defense be as good?

by ol Pete on Mar 28, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ricketts screws up the sale and...

…through a bizarre confluence of tax laws and SEC regulations, the Cubs are automatically converted into a nonprofit entity specializing in the preservation of obscure prarie weeds and grasses.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 27, 2009 1:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

:)

Heh. You made me snort out loud at work.

by jdb-44 on Mar 31, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember 2004? Or the 2008 Tigers?

When before last year had you seen the Cubs win back-to-back division division titles? Right, never. How can you assume its a cinch to win three in a row?

Back in 2004 this team looked awesome. Fresh off a breakthrough season, they now had Ramirez for a full season, C-Pat back healthy after a breakout season, and Greg Maddux joining a rotation with Prior, Wood, Clement and Zambrano. Not only were they going to win the division, they were going to win it all. They even added Nomar mid-season, filling their biggest hole. And then…. you know what happened.

Or look at last year’s Tigers. They were awesome, until guys couldn’t hit or field or pitch like they were supposed to. They were buried by the end of April, and on paper, looked a lot better than this team does heading into the season.

I agree with BLou the Cardinals are stronger than people think, especially if Carpenter is healthy again. Any team with Ludwick and Pujols hitting in the middle of the order can be dangerous. The Reds have several good pitchers, and a ton of good young position players. If they click, they’ll be dangerous. And the Brewers may not have Sheets or Sabathia anymore, but they do have a loaded offense and some other pitchers (Gallardo) who could win some games.

Don’t get me wrong, the Cubs are the best team, but you can’t take these things for granted. Even the favorite has maybe a 50/50 shot at winning the division.

by Orval Overall on Mar 27, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I totally agree.

We should be very competitive, especially with Sweet Lou in the dugout: but sometimes shithappens.

Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Mar 27, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally Disagree

The Cardinals are worse, much worse. Carpenter is an older and more injured version of Harden who has better stuff. Wellemeyer, Lohse & Looper all had career years so if you’re going to assume the Cubs pitchers are going to regress to the mean then it’s highly hypocritical if you don’t do the same to their pitchers as well. Wainwright is the only advantage they have over us in the rotation and even he missed a dozen starts due to injuries.

All this hand wringing and self-flagellation is quite frankly making me sick. The Cubs are so far ahead of the rest of the Central our twisted little minds have to invent reasons to worry. Though the funniest thing in the entire thread is BlueMike’s assertion that Dusty Baker is a good baseball man. My sides still hurt from laughing so hard. The second funniest thing was someone actually being worried about Taveras & Dickerson. Willy had a historic bad OPS of .604 and scored fewer times than he stole bases. Just stop it already! This is getting pathetic.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Mar 29, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't disagree about Taveras.

He’s not much of an offensive threat unless he gets on base, which he doesn’t do particularly often. But Dickerson is a good young player – yeah, he could flop, but he could just as easily come up big. And therein, lies the danger of the ‘09 Cincinnati Reds. I don’t see how you can dismiss him so easily.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 30, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spellcheck gone bad...

No, not Jeff Smardzija… I think he’ll be decent this season. Im talking about this fanpost.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...

by LPLancer23 on Mar 27, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I noticed that, too.

And it took every ounce of self control within me not to point it out. But since you did…

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 28, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the Cubs to missout on clinching the Central

Either the Reds would have to come together and explode like Colorado did a couple years back. Or thw Cards make a trade to bolster their offense between Ludwick and Pujols and put up 8 runs a game while the Cubs are plagued with injuries. It’s not gonna happen and Why do you gotta make me think negative thoughts. Think postive: Die Reds Die Cards Die!

Life is a crazy game of poker

by Steve Sax on Mar 27, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I remember feeling pretty good about the 1987 Cleveland Indians too...

they ended up with a record of 61-101.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 27, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As a former Iowan,

I remember feeling pretty good about the guy in the inset picture at the top left once.

He ended up being an apologist for sexual predators.

"I've got an idea...an idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about." ~Peter Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Mar 27, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As fruity as it sounds, we gotta be positive

By all accounts the Cubbies should have the Central locked hence we shouldn’t even entertain these dreadful ideas of failure. As fans we need to refuse to lose anymore and stop blaming the goat!

Life is a crazy game of poker

by Steve Sax on Mar 27, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Classic Cubs Fan

Living the dream. I love it legend.

Life is a crazy game of poker

by Steve Sax on Mar 28, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley the "X" Factor....

For lack of a better term.

I cannot remember the last time the Cubs had such an intense player, with a chip on his shoulder, who plays hard and wants to win.

Injury-free…perhaps he leads this group of ‘nice guys’ to a REAL title. It’s about time this team gained an attitude. Outside of Z’s antics…which can be distracting….Lou’s “Cubbie Swagger” never really caught on. Bradley’s entire career….swaggerlicious……

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 27, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like

How that sounds. We need that swagger to rub off on the rest of the team and put our playoff woes behind us. Shit, even us Cubs fans can use some of that swagger, hopefully some rubs off on us too.

Life is a crazy game of poker

by Steve Sax on Mar 27, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Dempster decides to revert back to a career in hockey

Mike Fontenot becomes the same weight as Babe Ruth
Ted Lilly realizes that he is better suited to becoming a bull for the running in Pampalona
Carlos Zambrano starts taking Paxil
Reed Johnson dives into one too many walls
Alfonso Soriano starts jumping highere and higher for each ball he catches, eventually doing something charlie brown always wanted to do, as he jumps to the moon

I think theres at least 50:1 odds that one of these will absolutely possibly could happen

by wennington4 on Mar 27, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can see a number of scenarios in which the Cubs don't win the division.

But on paper, we should. However, just when we come along with “paper”, expecting someone to play “rock”, they play “scissors” instead, and we get screwed (sorry, I just can’t help myself sometimes).

It’s a long, long season. People get hurt, other teams get hot and play like God is on their side, and sometimes, you just get bad breaks.

I’m taking nothing for granted. I intend to enjoy the regular season, and hope to God that we get into the playoffs.

Having said that, the one thing we can probably count on is the Pirates sucking.

The Reds are young, and Dusty won’t be able to ruin their young arms in the first couple of months or so, so they are primed to have a great start to the season. To the extent that they are in it in the latter half of the season, that’s when Dustyball will catch up to them.

The Cardinals are always going to have to be respected, as long as they have Tony L. in the dugout, and Pujols on the field. Someone could get hot, but they are pretty thin overall. Nonetheless, they are going to have to suck several years in a row before I’m ready to shovel dirt on their corpse.

As someone here has already pointed out, Milwaukee can score runs. Somehow, though, I think they shot their wad last year when they got CC, and the lack of pitching will burn them. As for Houston, they feel like a poor man’s version of the Cards, i.e., you’ve got to respect them, and they could get hot, but they don’t have the Cubs’ depth, nor do they have the Cards’ winning tradition.

The Cubs have a couple of things going for them. First, even though Lou sometimes overthinks a game, he’s a winning manager, and has the hutzpah to bring a team out of slump by himself. He’s not perfect, but he’s the best Cubs’ manager I’ve seen. His only competitor would be Dallas Green.

The other thing is that we have a long history of getting name players who don’t play up to their past stats (Rick Sutcliffe is probably the lone exception). At some point, that’s got to change. Karma owes us a name player who plays above and beyond their prior stats. One of these years, we’re going to get that magical player that burns up the league. If that player’s initials are “MB”, then this team could be awesome. Remember that last year’s team would go into periodic offensive slumps, where they just couldn’t score runs (the playoffs were just another example of that). If Gameboard is going to be our karmic payback, then maybe he’ll be enough to keep us out of those slumps.

Right now, I feel that typical mixture of skepticism and hope that seems epidemic for most baseball fans at the beginning of the year. That’s the magic of baseball. Unlike football and basketball (where you know that the championship boils down to only a few teams), baseball is highly unpredictable. That’s why we watch and love it so.

Please God, give me (and all Cubs’ fans) some breaks, some power arms, some timely hitting, a little comedy, a little drama, and a lot of fun. Somewhere in there, if you can sprinkle in a World Title, I could deal with it. I promise, I really, really could.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Mar 28, 2009 2:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen brother.

Hopefully MB keeps us out of slumps. This offense can explode if they play up to their talent. offense is contagious and I’m hoping they feed of each others successes. Last year we hit a lot of cold spells especially against quality pitching. In my opinion our 3 and 4 hitters ranked low in the mlb statistically when compared to other teams.

Life is a crazy game of poker

by Steve Sax on Mar 28, 2009 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you know how hard it is to win by 10 games?

Let’s just take winning the division. Hell, let’s just take making the playoffs.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Mar 28, 2009 7:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Overconfidence is one of the reasons teams don’t do what they’re expected to do.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 28, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Lou has the ability to squash any overconfidence in this team. If nothing else, he is an old

baseball guy and he knows that what matters is what happens on the field. This team hasn’t won a playoff game in his tenure and I would be shocked if he would let overconfidence creep into this team. I think this Cubs team is on a single-minded mission to go deep into the playoff. Anything less would be a severe disappointment.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 28, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the team went into the playoffs overconfident last year.

And Lou didn’t help that by his use of the players in the last week of the season and by his failure to use Ted Lilly in relief in game 1.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 28, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In 1985 the Cubs were also a "lock"

for the division. I recall the Cards were thinking of trading Ozzie and Whitey said if he was traded to the Cubs they would win the division by 20 games, if he was traded to the Mets they would win by ten games. I think we all know how that year ended. Lets not get too cocky; we all know that the games aren’t won until they are played, and anything can and usually does happen. Yes, it looks good for the Cubs this year, a three-peat for the division certainly looks likely. I agree with Worf, let’s make the playoffs and hopefully play well then.

"We gotta circle the bandwagons." - Devin Hester

by Jose's Eyelid on Mar 28, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If MB stays healthy (I doubt it though) I think thio team could be improved. Trouble is, guys who play that hard tend to get hurt, since there is no tomorrow for people who play like that. There is only now. The ones who play like that and do not get hurt are pretty rare, but a joy to watch when they are healthy.

I hope the Cubs win the division again, I really do. But three years in a row? I won’t be holding my breath. A whole lot can happen over a 162 game stretch.

"I lof to hit de home ron!"

by Tekboy on Mar 28, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's this type of attitude

that I hope is not present on the Cub team. I listen to some sports radio and many of those guys are already talking playoffs for the Cubs. Practically every year there is at least one surprise division winner. That’s one out of six. Last year, there happened to be two – The White Sox and the Rays. The AL was supposed to be a race between Detroit and Cleveland. Of course the Rays were going to finish in last. Ask the 2006 White Sox how their expectations worked out.

It is laughable to presume (“presume” is a word much different than "predict") a division win much less a division win by 10 games.

I can see both St. L and Cinn pushing the Cubs. If Carpenter is back (and there are a lot of people who think he is), St L can approach 90 wins. 4 names to keep an eye on in Cinn: Harang, Arroyo, Volquez, and Cueto. That could – COULD – be a very intimidating rotation.

If the Cubs think they can coast to victory, I’m sure they will not.

by jerry morales rules on Mar 28, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ricketts buys the team

and does a fire sale right away to allow for a lesser budget in order to make a profit

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A semi-threat

The Reds starting rotation could blossom and become an absolute beast. I’m not saying it will…but its plausible. Homer Bailey and Johnny Cueto are both only 22, Edinson Volquez is 25 and Micah Owings is 26. That’s excluding Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo (both of whom carry 15+ win/200IP potential).

"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21

by obc2 on Mar 28, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

n.l. central

injuries of course will kill any team.the cards have larussa/duncan and the reds are always dangerous early.as we all know the cubs never make it look easy.that reminds me its time to fill the drawers with rolaids.

by NOMAR on Mar 28, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's not go overboard

While the Cubs are clear favorites in not only the NL and the NL Central, there are definitely things to watch.

First, on the Cubs

- SP. Let’s face it – despite his hype, Z hasn’t been an ace for awhile. The idea that we carry 2 aces on the staff is flawed, if we are being fair. Harden is ace caliber. After that, we have solid arms, but a lot of the projections have us having an elite staff. Is it possible that Dempster regresses and is more a mid-rotation starter, Lilly has some regression, and Z is more of a 2/3 type? I think it’s definitely possible … and if so, our team doesn’t look as formidable anymore.

- Offensive regression and inconsistency. What if Aramis has peaked a bit? What if Derrek Lee regresses more? What if Fontenot isn’t the player that some have projected? What if Soto takes a step back? What if Theriot’s numbers are closer to hsi ability? What if Gameboard can’t stay healthy? What if Fukudome can’t get going? What if Soriano gets hurt/is inconsistent (hot/cold)? All of this is possible.

- Bullpen. Will people adjust to new roles? What if Gregg is more Wuertz than we are acknowledging? Will the lack of a shutdown lefty hurt, considering in the past, we had Marmol to bridge forward?

Now, the other clubs

- Brewers. If Gallardo/Parra pitch to their potential, they have a nice 1/2 combo and are 1 starter away from having a solid rotation. Gallardo and Parra have excellent ability, but to expect them to jump to their potential right away is unlikely. That said … not impossible. If the rotation is better than expected, the offense should still be good, and there’s enough arms in the pen, plus enough in the system to make deals.

- Cardinals. If Carpenter is back to form, that’s a solid 1/2 punch, and they have the system to try and add a 3rd starter to the mix. They also need the closing situation solidified, but there is talent with a guy like Perez. Brett Wallace and Colby Rasmus could really add to the offense and allow them more trade chips.

- Reds. If their rotation pitches to their potential, that becomes an excellent rotation, with a solid pen. The lineup might go through hot and cold stretches, but if that pitching is as good as it can be, with the system they have, watch out.

Now, I think the Cubs should win the division, but there’s definitely some things to watch, and the idea of the Cubs faltering and another team sneaking ahead, while it isn’t something I’d bet on, isn’t unrealistic.

by toonsterwu on Mar 28, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you're overrating Parra.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 28, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

on raw ability, what's not to llike?

I did say if. I’m not saying Parra is going to pitch that well this year (as a solid number 2). What I do think is that his ceiling is that of a number 2.

What’s not to like about Parra? Excellent minor league track record, quick rise through the system, good to dominant at each level, and no signs of control concerns in the minors. Was a solid middle of the rotation arm in his first year (okay, 2007 was his first year, but that was a limited cup of tea). The control issues worry but the track record is solid enough that, as of now, I’m not too concerned. Struggled a bit with righties, but that isn’t surprising with young lefties. Tired down the stretch, like Jon Sanchez, so that’s why I think both can improve in year 2 as they get stronger. Most important thing to add to that – excellent stuff. Two solid fastball options, with the 4 seamer in the mid-90’s and the 2 seamer sitting nice in the low 90’s. A good breaking ball (off the top, I think a curve). Needs more work on the change.

Is there some areas of concern? Sure. Maybe he doesn’t get the change (or his splitter – something else he throws, I think) to the point of being effective enough to neutralize righties and be a solid third pitch. Maybe his control issues are real, and his track record is just a sign of a dominant arm not being tested.

That said, from what I see right now, I don’t see why saying his potential is that of a number 2 starter is “overrating” him. I thought Gallagher had 2/3 type starting potential, and I think Parra is a notch above in terms of potential.

by toonsterwu on Mar 28, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Potential, maybe.

I just don’t see those two — Gallagher, either, even though he WILL be Oakland’s #2 this year — fulfilling the potential.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 28, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

leaving Gallagher alone for a moment

I’m just curious what it is about Parra that gives you that inkling? It’s certainly possible, and the control concerns in his big league time is something to point to, but is there anything else? I mean … look beyond the ERA last year, and he was a solid middle of the rotation arm.

I may get some intriguing comments for the next comment, but much as I am a Cubs fan, I try not to let that color how I view things – a case can be made that Parra was a more effective/better pitcher than Z last year but Z was a lot luckier than Parra, something which will get most Cubs fans up in arms.

by toonsterwu on Mar 28, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Real quick on Gallagher

I’m a believer that he can still be what I projected him to be – a decent 2, a solid 3 type starter, a guy who shows flashes but eats innings. That said, two distinct benefits for Parra. First is the simple one – he’s a lefty, he’ll get more chances than Sean. 2nd is that, I think control is a far bigger issue for Gallagher than it is for Parra. Both will never be Greg Maddux in terms of pinpoint accuracy, but for both to succeed, they need to be effectively wild.

by toonsterwu on Mar 28, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Parra has his times of losing focus and concentration.

He has great stuff, but I’m not sure he has the right mental makeup.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 28, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just decribed Carlos Zambrano.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 29, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely true.

But, I think Z has more talent than Parra.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 29, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honest question

What defines “talent”?

Again, for anyone reading this, I wasn’t saying that I think Parra will pitch that well. What I was saying was that Parra’s upside is that of a number 2, and he was a solid middle of the rotation starter last year.

But, what defines talent? The Z of right now lacks Parra’s stuff. He has experience – but is that a factor in judging talent? Statistically, there is an argument for Parra as being better, as I’ve noted.
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In saying all this, I want to reiterate, if I had to bank money this year on one guy, Z or Parra, it’d be Z. But I think we are going overboard in trying to find negatives about other team’s young talents. I went through some online stuff this morning, and I didn’t see much to suggest that Parra has a poor makeup. He has the performance and quality stuff. Doesn’t mean he will succeed – my initial point was that his upside is huge and if reaches it this year, the Brewers will be much better than anyone is thinking.

by toonsterwu on Mar 29, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say talent is ability

One thing Z does that I find impressive is his ability to move his fastball in different directions. I think you’re right about Parra. Plus pitches, all that he can control. But he has to stop nibbling and not get flustered by bad umpiring or bad breaks in the field.

As to pre-season prognostications, there is a bit of bad blood developing between the two teams. One thing that I find ironic is that last year two reasons were routinely cited as to why the Brewers would fail: the ineptitude of Yost and the fragility of Sheets. They’re both gone.

by ol Pete on Mar 29, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you do realize that every single one of your "if's" on the Cubs was negative...

…and every single one of your “if’s” for the other teams was positive. How is that realistic?

Given that type of thinking, you could probably make a case for the Nationals to play the Padres in the World Series. Yes, I know they’re both in the NL, but I’m sure you could come up with a what-if scenario to make that happen.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 29, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes i know that

but the point was that, to assume something this for ahead of time is folly. As I’ve noted, I think the Cubs should win the division, but to assume it is us and no one with a shot, well, stranger things have happened.

Btw, I don’t get the 2nd part. Most of the above scenarios have a decent probability of occurring if judged by itself. The possibility of all the scenarios happening is unlikely, but taken apart, they all have a probability of happening. The 2nd part is simply impossible, so no, I don’t get the comparison.

by toonsterwu on Mar 29, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure-fire way we can lose,

Get put on the cover of Sports Illustrated—
start an anti-Cubs letter-writing campaign now!

by Realist Larry on Mar 30, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That would be scary Larry

SI screwed us over in the Prior Wood era. Not again!

Life is a crazy game of poker

by Steve Sax on Mar 30, 2009 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs should hire some security guys...

…with specific orders to keep SI photographers away from the clubhouse. Either that, or Lou should issue a ban on any Cubs player agreeing to pose for SI.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 30, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The SI cover last September...

… wasn’t a posed photo; it was A-Ram rounding first base after his walkoff against the White Sox.

I could reproduce that photo here, but… well, you know.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 30, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, OK.

I still worry more about the “posed” covers that typically appear at the beginning of the season – like the one of Lou and Soriano in ’07.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 30, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh.

You mean like the Wood/Prior cover in 2004. Right. We have to stop those, too.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 30, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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