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I was going to link this Paul Sullivan article on night games in today's game thread, which will post in a couple of hours, but felt this deserves its own post.

Sullivan spoke to several Cubs about the possibility of adding more night games. Aramis Ramirez says yes:

"We play so many day games, especially in the summer when every day it's hot," Ramirez said. "It takes a toll on everyday players, so I'd be in favor of increasing them to 50. They're still going to have 31 day games, so it's not like it'd be 81 night games."

Ryan Dempster likes the tradition and points out that the Cubs had a great home-field record last year, playing 50 day games:

"The tradition is cool, something unique to Wrigley Field," he said. "I think if you start going more than [30], you kind of take away from what we have here. If we get up in the 50s or 60, then you're just a normal team.

"Whether it has a direct effect on us, I don't know. I mean, we were almost 30 games over .500 at home."

And Reed Johnson says the Cubs should have the advantage if they play more home day games, because the visiting teams aren't used to them:

Johnson said the Cubs should theoretically thrive on day games, since they play more than anyone else.

"It's really to our advantage," he said. "We know how to handle the no-batting-practice gig, and a lot of teams aren't used to that. But guys won't mind if it stays the same. We enjoy the day games at Wrigley as well."

I'm ambivalent. It is, of course, all about TV revenue, since the Cubs are selling out virtually every game anyway (last year, they played to 99.4% of capacity). Ad revenue is higher for night games. As Sullivan points out, the Cubs are limited to 30 night games a year by city ordinance through the 2015 season, so there would have to be a changed law to add some. I think that adding ten more dates -- to 40 games, half the schedule -- and allowing the Cubs to play at least 2 or 3 Friday nights a year, coming home off road trips, would be a good compromise between the desire for more revenue, and the desire to maintain at least some of the day game tradition.

Keep in mind also, that Friday and Saturday nights, the nights the Cubs claim they want to play on, are generally the two lowest-rated television nights, because those are nights that many people go out.

OK, have at it.

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I agree with scheduling night games on the first day of a new homestand...

It has to take a toll to arrive back at O’Hare at 2:00 am and play at 1:20 that same day. Can anyone find the Cubs’ record in such games?

"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tell you that you suck...I know I suck. We know we suck...Yeah, we suck. But we’ll see who sucks at the end."
- Gary Sheffield

by DrGalazkiewicz on Mar 29, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't know, but...

… the number of such scheduled games (i.e. a Thursday night road game followed by a Friday day home game) this year is zero.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 29, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I looked at Friday Home games after Thursday Road games (day or night)...

…and for the past 20 years the Cubs have basically played exactly the same as their average home winning percentage in these games, except in cases where the Cubs played on Thursday and their opponents were coming from aday off, in which case the Cubs went 4-8 (there were only 12 instances of this in 20 seasons).

The majority of Cubs Friday games come after either off days or during homestands, both of which favor the Cubs in theory, as the home team who hasn’t had any travel issues. Otherwise, I’ve seen no evidence that the Cubs day games on Fridays matter, unless the opponent just had a day off and we didn’t—in which case I’m not sure if day versus night would even make much any of a difference.

If anyone cares, I can write up something more thorough on this as a fanpost or something. Otherwise, I have no particular reason to lie about this if you want to take my word for it :)

by MarchHare on Mar 29, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, if you want to put this in the form of a table....

… or some other detail, go ahead.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 29, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't the home opener...

a home day game after a road night game? I know it’s not Thursday into Friday, and they’re coming from Milwaukee so it wouldn’t be like they’re arriving back home at 2 AM (barring a lot of extra innings)….

That seems kinda shafty to do to a team and their fans for a home debut. With what you wrote about the Rockies schedule… the 1st Wrigley game might have some sleepy offense.

by MillsChC on Mar 29, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's unusual, and...

… the Sunday night thing was scheduled after Opening Day was already scheduled for a day game. Otherwise they might have made a night opener, or rescheduled the game for Tuesday.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 30, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I've ranted on this...

quite a bit already, but I did have a few ideas that I posted in a piece earlier this week here.

The short version though is that rather than continuing down this “bad neighbor” role, with increased night activity in the neighborhood, it might be time to start working with MLB a little better on scheduling.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 29, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

As I noted in last night's recap...

… many teams (like the Rockies) have schedules that monkeys could have designed better.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 29, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Monkeys are smart.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 29, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smarter than the current scheduling computers, that's for sure.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 29, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Computers are only as smart as their programmers

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 29, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Give the power back to the people! No more computer MLB programming!

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 29, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they can add a third concert date without asking permission

why not slide in a few extra night games, too? Maybe the neighborhood won’t notice.

Ask for forgiveness rather than permission….

[Said tongue-in-cheek] of course

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on Mar 29, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions  

As an aside...

Are those whose breasts I think they are in your profile photo?

by Damen Jackson on Mar 29, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes they are

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on Mar 29, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the tradition

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by cubswgnrocks on Mar 29, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Let's keep ...

…. the existing limit of 30 night games, but give the Cubs the flexibility of a few (2 or 3) Friday or Saturday nights in that mix. Tradition is the essence of baseball, and day games the essence of Cubs baseball.

(Not to beat a dead horse for the 10 millionth time but day games have not been the key reason the Cubs have failed to win more — sadly, many years in the past century we were just plain bad. No number of night games makes up for that, friends!)

What exactly is the difference in ad rates / revenues between day and night games? How much additional money could the team reasonably bring in per added night game? What would this likely mean in terms of increased team payroll? I’m certainly willing to listen to a well-reasoned and fact supported argument that shows we can put substantially better talent on the field — that would much more readily earn my backing for more night games than the split opinions of players.

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Mar 29, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Well said. Ad revenues are significantly higher at night than in the afternoon, though as I said, they can be somewhat lower for Friday and Saturday night games because the number of people watching TV at home those days is probably the lowest of any night of the week.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 29, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would be great ....

…. if someone could actually quantify this difference in revenue. Are we talking about middle reliever money or a Manny Ramirez type sum? Perhaps, Al, the next time you and Crane Kennedy sit down, this topic might be on your list of questions? I suspect the Cubs can build a ton of grass roots support from the fan base to pressure City Hall for at least a few more night games if we know that it will make a significant impact in team payroll and talent!

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Mar 30, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll ask, but...

… I doubt he’ll go into specifics like this with me.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 30, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Al

…. you’re likely correct. But putting some “ballpark” numbers around this sure would bolster the argument. (My error on “Kennedy”, meaning of course, Kenney — living here in MA the Kennedy name gets burned into your brain!)

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Mar 31, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll see what I can do.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 31, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Selfishly

now that I’m going to be 3 hours behind Chicago I say bring on the night games! I’ll be able to watch those more easily than the day games.

Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king -- Bob Dylan

by Emelie on Mar 29, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Aren't you four hours behind Chicago during DST?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 29, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

gosh I dunno. Right now we are 3 hours behind. Is this DST?

I never can keep all that business straight.

Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king -- Bob Dylan

by Emelie on Mar 29, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually, I don't think Alaska does DST

they already have 24 hours of sunlight … what’s to save?

Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king -- Bob Dylan

by Emelie on Mar 29, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You live in Alaska?!

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 29, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gimme a few days, but ... yeah, now I do.

Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king -- Bob Dylan

by Emelie on Mar 29, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe a compromise will work

Split the difference and say 40 night games instead of the 50 they are asking for.
 I agree with Demp, Wrigley is special, continue to make the day game part of Wrigley field

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by Grockcubs on Mar 29, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

WINNING A WORLD SERIES IS "SPECIAL"

Screw the drippy sentimentality for Wrigley that makes love of the ballpark trump everything else and is big reason for this little old 101 year losing streak. I’ve been going to Wrigley for 32 years and have been to countless hundreds of games. I like day baseball as much as the next guy, but fact is in this modern era the Cubs should be playing 50 night games minimum at Wrigley. Richie Daley, Tom Tunney and the activist pukes of Wrigleyville can pound sand up their ass on this subject. Tom Ricketts needs to come out on Day One and take hard stance with the city and the neighborhood. I’m sick and tired of this katowing to the special selfish interests. The ballpark PRECEDED all these million dollar Wrigleyville residences that owe their appeal and market value to the Cubs.

by BLou on Mar 29, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

1st time this year that someone should pound sand?

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 30, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

The lack of night games is not the reason the Cubs haven't won the World Series.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 30, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

And you refer to members of a neighborhood...

as “special interests”, you come off looking especially confused. There are actually other affected besides rooftop owners and Clark St. bars, you know.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 30, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whats gotten into Aramis lately?

Didn’t he used to be dead silent and impossible to get a quote from? And now he’s all chatty. Its really cool to finally be able to put a voice with the man.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 29, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Calling all Sabermagicians...

Re: Reed Johnson’s quote

Johnson said the Cubs should theoretically thrive on day games, since they play more than anyone else.

“It’s really to our advantage,” he said. “We know how to handle the no-batting-practice gig, and a lot of teams aren’t used to that. But guys won’t mind if it stays the same. We enjoy the day games at Wrigley as well.”

I’ve often wondered the same thing – doesn’t logic dictate the Cubs would have some sort of advantage over the rest of the teams because they’re used to more day games? Is there some sort of day game stat (call it Banks’ constant) that factors this into W/L projections?

The only thing I can come up with to negate this theory is that the homestands aren’t long enough to establish any kind of an advantage. If somehow, the Cubs would play 20 day games in a row, then I’d bet you’d be able to show some sort of advantage.

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by ballhawk on Mar 29, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

In 2008 at Wrigley

the Cubs were 35-20 in day games (.636) and 20-6 at night (769). You decide.

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by BigJohnAZ on Mar 29, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

For clarification

night games were ~7PM starts, all other games were considered day.

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by BigJohnAZ on Mar 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a damn good percentage for either day or night.

Had they played the 26 night games at a .636 percentage, that’s 17 wins instead of 20. Not a huge differential.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 29, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

More night games are needed

I’d like to see the Cubs play 50 night games. But of course Richie Daley, Tom Tunney and the activist pukes of Wrigleyville will never let that happen.

by BLou on Mar 29, 2009 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

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