Favors Granted: Cubs 5, Indians 7
MESA, Arizona -- The thing I was most reminded of as Mark DeRosa kept hitting 450-foot drives off Ted Lilly was a story that's been told about Greg Maddux and Jeff Bagwell, related in Jessica's BCB top 100 profile of Maddux:
Maddux was pitching a shutout with a large lead late in a game early in the season when Bagwell came to bat. He repeatedly shook off catcher Eddie Perez's signs and threw Bagwell an inside fastball which they both knew was his favorite pitch. Bagwell clocked it for a home run and angry Perez confronted Maddux in the clubhouse asking him why he would throw that pitch. Maddux explained that sometime later that season he would face Bagwell in a more important situation and he would be expecting that pitch. Perez was still annoyed that he had "blown" a shutout. Towards the end of that season, the Braves did indeed play an important game against the Astros and Maddux struck Bagwell out late in the game with the bases loaded. Maddux asked Perez if he remembered the game months ago when he deliberately gave Bagwell the pitch he wanted. Perez had forgotten, but Maddux hadn't.
Incidentally, this apparently really did happen, even though there's no such homer in the Bagwell vs. Maddux game logs. I think the homer they're talking about was in a spring training game, and the strikeout was in this 1997 NLDS game between the Astros and Braves; the bases weren't loaded but the tying run was in scoring position. In any case, the point stands. (Jessica said that today's score was really "Cubs 5, DeRosa 4, Indians 3".)
Could Lilly have been setting DeRosa up for when the Tribe comes to Wrigley Field in June? Or was he doing an old buddy a favor? DeRo would have hit three homers today off Lilly if not for the 30+ foot high hitters' background; his fifth-inning double hit about 3/4 of the way up the background, a blast of at least 450 feet, and the two homers both cleared the scoreboard. Apart from those three hits, Lilly gave up only four singles to other Indians, walked two and struck out eight. It wasn't a bad performance, but Chad Gaudin got pounded, allowing ex-Braves farmhand George Lombard to hit a two-run homer in the seventh, and that was the difference in the Indians' 7-5 win over the Cubs. (And for whatever it's worth, in regular season action DeRosa is 2-for-10 vs. Lilly, with one of the hits being a homer.)
DeRo and Kerry Wood both received warm welcomes from Cubs fans; I hope those of you who subscribe to the BCB Twitter feed saw the photo of them being greeted by former teammates on the field just before the game, that I sent via TwitPic (granted, all I had was my cellphone camera, so it was a little far away). Wood threw a scoreless inning and got Milton Bradley on a called third strike to end it.
Gaudin, as I noted, was awful today (the Cubs even had Mike Stanton, who isn't going to make the final roster, warming up in his bad seventh inning) and I hope some scout saw something that the rest of us didn't, because he'll hurt the team if he's in the bullpen to start the year. Maybe there's some undiagnosed injury and they can put him on the DL and keep David Patton, who was very impressive today (granted, retiring Tony Graffanino, Andy Marte and John Drennen isn't exactly getting the heart of Cleveland's lineup). I know Lou likes Patton and would like to give him a shot if there's any space available.
Reed Johnson smashed a pinch-hit, two-run homer in the 8th that landed just next to us off the scoreboard and rolled down the berm into a scrum, making the score 7-5. It wasn't so much that, that surprised me about that particular at-bat; what was surprising was that Johnson was sent up to pinch-hit against a right-handed relief pitcher. That would, one might have thought, been a perfect situation for Kosuke Fukudome to bat... but Dome was nowhere to be seen on the major league field this afternoon. Does this portend changes? Will Johnson get more playing time vs. RHP than we think this year?
The Cubs had their seventh sellout (of 17 games so far), with an announced crowd of 13.097, though for some reason it didn't seem nearly as crowded as Friday either on the berm or in the stands; there were empty seats even as the game was beginning in the corners of the grandstand sections down the foul lines. The total attendance thus rose to 186,007 and the single-season spring training record, set by the 2005 Cubs, will fall on Tuesday when the Angels visit. Obviously, that's due to the larger number of dates (19 this year); the average attendance record of 12,125 is safe. (Average so far this year: 10,942.)
Lou Piniella named Kevin Gregg his closer today (I'm with Lou on this one; Gregg hasn't thrown in a major league game since last Tuesday), and the spring roster was cut to 30, with pitchers Kevin Hart and Randy Wells optioned to Iowa and catcher Mark Johnson, infielders Andres Blanco and Esteban German and outfielders Brad Snyder and So Taguchi assigned to minor league camp. (Blanco, German and Taguchi played in today's game anyway, probably a farewell present from Lou.)
Tomorrow, Rich Harden returns to major league mound action when the Cubs travel to Surprise to face the Royals. KC will counter with their #3 starter, Kyle Davies, and we should also see the Royals' closer, Joakim Soria, make an appearance. Perhaps we'll get a chance to see the Cubs' newly anointed closer tomorrow as well. The game will be on CSN Chicago; this will be the last Cub TV or radio broadcast from Arizona (the next Cub broadcast will be the NYC games).
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Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king -- Bob Dylan
I haven't heard a thing.
The game recap doesn’t even mention it. I suspect it’s nothing serious, probably took him out of the game as a precaution.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I'd be curious to see a poll
on how many games Cub fans think Fukudome will play this season. One of the possible answers should be 0.
2009 Cubs' MVP: Derrek Lee
OK, I'll add such a poll to this post.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Kosuke needs to start the year at Triple A
It’s that simple. If he is unwilling to accept assignment to Des Moines then he can give the Cubs a refund on the $36 million owed and hightail his ass back to Japan.
You do understand
that there is a such thing as a player’s union, right?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I, again, issue a call for calm.
The man has had SEVEN spring training ABs. That said, I could see him being asked to accept an assignment to Iowa if he looks really bad in April. But let’s hope that doesn’t happen.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
lol!
oh, Blue Mike, you do go on…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Mar 30, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Wish the range was smaller on the poll… don’t know if we can get any meaningful info from 50 game categories.
"Winning is the greatest marketing idea of all time." --Cubs President John McDonough
I figured that was about right for a guy who is supposed to at least be a platoon starter.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
It was weird
It was weird hearing Ron and Pat say “Wood pitches to insertCubsname”.
Al did you see my compromise on rooting for him during the Indians/Cubs series hoping he gets in just to get some work because the Indians have been on a winning streak of blowing out the other team so the closer isn’t needed so he comes in with the Cubs winning and strikes out the side when it doesn’t matter for the outcome?
My friend had his heart transplant on 3/21. Thank you for your thoughts and prayers.
Dude, you may want to
change the “cubstoseriesby100” thing. Its over. Unless you mean by the time you’re 100.
Can't change
Can’t change it at this time. Already asked Al.
My friend had his heart transplant on 3/21. Thank you for your thoughts and prayers.
by puckishcubsfan on Mar 29, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
And she's not a dude.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
DVR ALERT
MLB Network’s “30 Clubs In 30 Days” program will preview the Cubs tomorrow at 11 AM Central. Not sure if this has already aired, but I thought it might be of interest to those who haven’t seen it (myself included).
"I've got an idea...an idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about." ~Peter Griffin
If it hasn't run
already, it will probably run multiple times this week. 11am CT isn’t exactly prime viewing hours and MLB Net always runs this feature about 3x in prime time when games are not on, or before and after games..
I’ve seen the look at the O’s enough, already…the damn show’s always on. They suck. 30 minutes of…. hosts kindly telling the audience…the O’s suck.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 29, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
This show aired a couple of weeks ago...
…. but if you haven’t already seen it, it’s definitely worth checking out.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Yep, I still have it saved on my DVR.
I, too, would highly recommend it.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Thank God DeRosa is in the American League.
Even though we have to play him three times this year, he can only hurt us for three games, unless, God-forbid, we play him in the World Series. I have a feeling that this guy is a newly inducted member of the Career Cub Killer Club, with Mike Schmidt and Dwight Gooden as the Co-Presidents Emeritus, Carlos Lee as the current active President, A.J. Perzienski as his V.P. and the list goes on. Steve Garvey, Craig Counsell, Ray Durham, Randy Johnson, Bronson Arroyo, etc. I’m sure they were all at the induction ceremony.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
One game against a home run pitcher and he's a "cub killer"?
Good lord. Kill me.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 29, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right,
and no player should get a moment of consideration for “(insert team) killer” based on Spring Training game(s).
IF DeRosa hurts the Cubs in their interleague games AND leads the Tribe to victory over the Cubs in the World Series, THEN yes enshrine DeRosa into to “Cub Killer” clubs.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Can you honestly tell me straight-faced....
that you don’t expect him to torch us for three straight games in June to send Jim Hendry a message? I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t hit everything in sight against us.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
I don't expect him to torch us for 3 games
and I couldn’t care less if he does, provided we get the W.
Individual stats don’t matter especially not from people no longer on my team.
And if you’re going to base everything on 1 spring training game… then have fun being camped out on the ledge when we lose our first game.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 29, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with Cubbiegirl
He was one of my favorite Cubs…….
but whats on the front of the jersey is more important to me than the back of the jersey.
I hope him well during the rest of his career, but I’m a CUBS fan.
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 30, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope he DOES try to send a message
When players do that, that’s usually when they go 1-12 with 5Ks.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Panic much?
Straight faced, no I don’t expect him to have 3 straight great games. Even so called Cub killers, don’t have 3 straight great games.
A message?
He was traded because of financial issues. How many guys in the league would be sending messages if that were the case
by chitownhawkeye on Mar 30, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Lilly and DeRosa
I wouldn’t be surprised if Lilly deliberately grooved a few pitches to DeRosa if they’re good friends. Walter Johnson supposedly did that occasionally for his friends on other teams if he had a big lead late in a game. According to one story I read, the catcher would tell the hitter, “Walter likes you today.” Then Johnson would throw a batting practice fastball down the middle. As soon as I heard about DeRosa’s two bombs yesterday, the first thing I thought was that “Ted must like him today.”
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Mar 30, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions
Or, as I suggested...
… to set him up for when they meet in June.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I think you're on the money, Al
but surely DeRo will be expecting it.
Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king -- Bob Dylan
Expecting what, exactly?
If he’ll be expecting the pitches he pounded yesterday, something tells me Lilly will be pitching him a little bit differently.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
that's my point
that he’ll be expecting Lilly to pitch him differently.
Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king -- Bob Dylan
Not necessarily.
Read the Maddux/Bagwell story above.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Fair enough
I did read the story … you’d think they’d catch on.
Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king -- Bob Dylan
Anything's possible with those wacky dudes.
Remember, Lilly grooved a ball to Hank White in the WBC, too. Now, I’m not sure Ted would give either of them a gift pitch per se, but it may have been a “c’mon, hit this, I dare ya” kinda thing.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Absolutely
I’ve read about other pitchers who claimed they occasionally served up a fat one in a blow out just to see how far someone could hit it.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Mar 30, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, let me clarify.
When I say “grooved” I don’t mean “he intentionally threw Blanco an easy pitch,” I mean “he threw a pitch to Blanco that wound up being easy to hit.” (I thought this is usually what “grooved” means.)
And, as I tried to explain in my second sentence, I’m not necessarily saying Lilly intentionally gave either Blanco or DeRosa an easy pitch to hit. But he may have dared either (or both) of them to hit a certain pitch – y’know, in the way that one friend might dare another.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Back to Bad Chad:
Anyone have idea how he pitched in ST for Oakland the last couple of years? Is this (lousy) performance something he does every ST or is this a new trend? Maybe his ball just can’t move as well in this thin air. I know Marmol feels that way, and therefore he is throwing more fastballs instead of his slider (versus the pattern he would normally use). Just asking if there are any old stats from prior STs for Gaudin. I could not find them.
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
Gaudin's ST stats
2008: 2 IP, 0 ER (not sure why he only threw two innings)
2007: 9 IP, 1 ER (7 appearances, 1 start)
2006: 13 IP, 11 ER, 7.43 ERA (6 appearances, 3 starts)
Results: inconclusive. His 2006 spring was almost as bad as this year, but he had a decent 2006 regular season.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
well, some comfort in that 2006 info (thanks, Al!)...
But overall, your dumpster theory takes on more weight. I seem to feel like Larry & Lou will still plan on using him as a 2-3 inning middle relief guy. If he fails, he will probably have minimal trade value anyway. If he succeeds, he can be a productive member of the club (or traded). What choice do they have?
Gaudin can be tested in blow-out games to see what he’s got…hopefully they will be blow-outs in our favor. It seems like he will begin 2009 as the middle-inning Howry. We all know it is easy to work your way into Lou’s dog house—it is hard to work your way out of it.
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
I'm not sure I'd call his '06 season decent.
It does look pretty good from an ERA (3.09) and ERA+ (143) standpoint. But his K:BB ratio was upside-down – in 64 innings, he walked 42 and struck out only 36. And his WHIP was a rather unsightly 1.453. Methinks someone got really lucky.
I think the Cubs are probably stuck with Gaudin at this point. His spring has been so bad that no team is likely to give up anything even halfway decent for him trade. Certainly not a Maicer Izturis.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Ted Lilly gives up a lot of home runs...deal with it
Lilly has been a solid member of the Cub rotation and I expect more of the same in 2009. I could care less if he gives up a big home run to Mark DeRosa in spring training, or if he leads the league in taters given up during the season so long as he takes the ball every 5th day and chalks in his typical 15 wins. Lilly is an asset. It ain’t always pretty, but the man knows how to pitch.
Bullpen is a clusterf*ck
Get past Gregg and Marmol and it is yucko and shades of 2004 all over again. People had better get prepared for Lou Piniella to once again go very hard with Marmol in the late innings. And people had also get prepared for a procession of middle relievers to come and go this season. I have a sinking feeling the Cubs are going to cycle through a crapload of arms in this pen.
Perhaps CASHNER can arrive on the scene at some point and be a huge boast.
You don't think Heilman will rebound this year?
I feel pretty good about him right now. I also think that, after spending some time in the minors, Neal Cotts may have established some “career momentum” in sticking with the Cubs last season. He did give up a lot of his, but he also struck out 43 batters in just over 35 innings.
I do agree, though, that Gaudin and Guzman look dubious at best. And Vizcaino really isn’t someone to get too excited about. If the bullpen really does turn out to be horrible in April and May, the Cubs may be forced to give up on the idea of making Samardzija a starter. I still have a feeling he’d be more effective as a reliever anyway.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
I'm not sold on Heilman out of the pen
I would prefer Sean Marshall in the pen. But that isn’t happening. The more I read on Heilman the more I’m struck on how much of a whiner he was in New York. He also was labeled “mentally weak” in tough game situations and often melted. Can he take the ball 75 times out of the pen and keep the Cubs in games? He’s going to have to prove it to me.
New York is a tough room.
Just keep lookin’ at Fully K’s ’06 and ’07 numbers.He pitched in over 85 innings in both of those years and put up fantastic numbers. He appears healthy and happy to be a Cub. I think he could absolutely give the team 75 to 80 innings of decent to good relief.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
I am willing to take a deep (very deep) breath
and see how this hodge podge of relievers shapes up in April/May. Lots of arms to play with and I am sure that Lou will have his arms and dog house figured out pretty quickly. But I do agree that I hope he doesn’t “fall in love” with the easy choice of Marmol in tight games. There is no doubt that Marmol was over-used prior to the All-Star game last year.
Lou really needs to try to find some other arms to lean on in 6/7/8th innings. If he can do that, it can be a fun 2009, if not, this better be an electric offense that scores a ton of runs.
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
or!
or… or…. wait, let me get back to you on that…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
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