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Getting Your Spring Training Money's Worth: Cubs 8, Royals 8

SURPRISE, Arizona -- There's not much entertainment you can purchase these days for $7. Movies are $10 or more; most baseball tickets are $20 for spring games (if you want seats) and $40 and up for the regular season.

Seven dollars got me a nice spot on the lawn this afternoon at Surprise, right behind the Royals' bullpen, to see just about everything you might want to see on a baseball field -- except a Cubs victory. Instead, the Cubs and Royals fought to an 8-8 tie, which would have ended 45 minutes earlier had it not been for Kosuke Fukudome.

Yes, Fukudome, who had been virtually completely silent all day, again not hitting the ball out of the infield in his first four at-bats (though hitting the ball hard off Royals 1B Mike Jacobs' glove in the third), dropped an easy fly ball in the 8th after calling Reed Johnson off (Johnson had the ball easily and had apparently called Dome off first), allowing two runs to score, and then helped put the Cubs back in the game by smacking a laser beam line drive onto the right-field berm in the 9th. That made the score 8-7 Royals, and then a couple of subs, Joey Gathright and minor leaguer Kyle Reynolds, tied the game at 8, all off the Royals' closer, Joakim Soria.

That's where it ended after ten innings. Other highlights of yet another sunny afternoon in Arizona (we were all amused on the lawn when the PA announcer, discussing a local chain of restaurants, said we should go to its "Surprise location". Well, was he going to tell us where it was or not?), attended by 8,859, well under a sellout: Rich Harden got hit pretty hard, allowing a pair of homers to Alex Gordon and another to Mark Teahen. On the other hand, Harden struck out five, walked a pair and allowed only one single to the 17 Kansas City hitters he faced. It doesn't look that great in the box score, but I imagine Harden had to be satisfied with his first turn on a major league mound in several weeks.

Carlos Marmol threw like the Marmol we've come to know and love over the last couple of years, getting Jose Guillen to pop up and striking out Jacobs and Billy Butler. Angel Guzman threw well -- the runs he allowed came in after he left the game, as a result of a single allowed to Butler by Jeff Samardzija, and then on the error by Fukudome. Perhaps a trade may still be in the works for Guzman.

Lou -- and KC manager Trey Hillman -- managed this game more like a regular season game than a spring game. For KC, all the starters save Guillen played the entire game, and Lou stayed with his starting nine until Alfonso Soriano was lifted after the top of the seventh. Micah Hoffpauir got six at-bats today -- you don't see that very often in a spring game. He had only one hit, but played a competent 1B and has now made the team as a pinch-hitter/backup 1B/backup outfielder, and let's hope he doesn't have to play outfield very often. Hoffpauir can hit, no doubt about it. Let's hope he can hit when he's getting six at-bats every ten days instead of six in one game. Also in the "regular season managing" category, Lou needed a LOOGY in the 8th and called on Jason Waddell, who was long ago sent back to the minor league camp. He got his man -- Jacobs -- on one pitch. While Waddell didn't make the team, Lou likes him and I'd watch for him for possible recall later. (Maybe that's why some of those 40-man roster spots were left open; Waddell was a non-roster invitee, but could be added to the 40-man before camp is over.)

Milton Bradley raked again today, with three singles and a double; he also walked and scored. That raised his spring average to .524 (yes, that's right, FIVE-twenty-four) before he was lifted for pinch-runner Gathright. Gathright then replaced Dome in CF, which led me to wonder if Lou realized he'd lost the DH rule at the time. He figured it out, pinch-hitting Ryan Theriot for Samardzija when his turn came up in the 10th. Theriot, with a chance to give the Cubs the lead, sent a fly ball to center.

We got to see not one, but two ex-Cubs throw for KC today; Juan Cruz, who's made himself into one of baseball's better setup men, came in got Aramis Ramirez on a nasty breaking ball to end the 7th, and good ol' Dr. Tightpants (Kyle Farnsworth) showed flashes of his old Cubs form by getting Mike Fontenot and Koyie Hill on strikes. Hill has two hits and a walk today and I believe he will do a fine job backing up Geovany Soto.

Tomorrow, Sean Marshall will make his final spring start (after which his first turn in the rotation will likely be skipped, making him available in the pen) against the Angels' Nick Adenhart. Other Angels pitchers who will throw will include Brian Fuentes (who, attempting to take over at closer for them, has a 9.53 spring ERA), Scot Shields and Kevin Jepsen. For the Cubs, expect to see David Patton again -- I think Lou is trying every which way to get him on the Opening Day roster -- and maybe even the missing-in-action new closer, Kevin Gregg, who by the time he takes the mound tomorrow (if he does) will not have thrown in a major league game in a week. The game will be televised on the MLB Network (with the Angels TV feed).

Finally, I have dissed the Royals at times in past years when seeing them in spring games. Not this year -- that lineup, which is pretty close to their regular lineup, could actually score some runs. Alex Gordon is a stud who looks like he could have a breakthrough year. If Hillman can keep Guillen focused and get some good outings out of his pitching rotation, the Royals could surprise a lot of people in 2009.

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We're quickly reaching the point...

In which we should start pulling Iowa classifieds for Kosuke.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 30, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I should probably already know this, but...

…whats a “LOOGY”?

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on Mar 30, 2009 8:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on Mar 30, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

him

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 30, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going to assume that is Cotts

Am I right? No back of the uniform and no face means I’m just guessing

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 30, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Terry Mulholland.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes old rubber arm himself

finished his career as a LOOGY

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 31, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And now we all know why

i never participated in the “this old cub” series. :-P

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 31, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a good day at the ballyard Al

I caught a little of the game on TV, enough to see the Fuk drop the ball. I was impresses with Reed my week in AZ and Fuk may be getting less and less AB’s unless he hits more. Will be very interested to see who gets the final roster spot. Congrats to Koyie HIll, I think a good choice over Bako. Bradley will win a lot of fans if he keeps this up in April and may turn out to be exactly what we needed.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Mar 30, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

I really have to wonder what is wrong with Fukudome, but I hope he gets the chance to figure it out in Iowa or something. His performance this spring is not worthy of making this team, imo.

While this is sad, like many other ballplayers past and present and future, if he lights it up in AAA, and can translate it back to what he did the first two months of last season, he could be a big help later.

One can only hope, I guess. But when he takes his poor at bats out intop the outfield, something has to be done.

"I lof to hit de home ron!"

by Tekboy on Mar 30, 2009 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

oops

intop should be into.

"I lof to hit de home ron!"

by Tekboy on Mar 30, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al,

in your opinion, who’s got the best Cactus League ballyard? Gimme your top 3.

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on Mar 30, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Top 3 Cactus League stadiums

1) Surprise
2) Peoria
3) Maryvale

I haven’t been to Camelback Ranch yet, but I hear it’s better than any of the above.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 30, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey what about the Indians new pimple in the desert?

That new scrap heap in Goodyear is just awful. Made of galvanized sheet metal and angle iron. Just terrible.

by Employee22 on Mar 30, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Haven’t been there either. Maybe next year.

Forgot to mention that the gift shop at Surprise had 25% off of everything in the store today, including a nice “Cactus League” T-shirt with all the teams that I got for $17.

Programs at Surprise were $1, the cheapest in the league. And I got 25% off of that, too, so it was 75 cents.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 30, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My top 3

1. Surprise
2. Scottsdale
3. Peoria

Al are you sure that t-shirt was $17? Because when I was their 10 days ago that same shirt was $12. The game was KC vs. Seattle. It seams when the Cubs and their fans show up, up go the prices.

by Employee22 on Mar 30, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

I wonder if we’re talking about the same shirt. The “list” price on that shirt was $23.

Even at $23, it’s cheaper than anything in Mesa.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 30, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

did Harden look fine?

I know he gave up a lot of runs, but did he pitch fine?

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Mar 30, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

As I said, apart from the homers, he gave up only one hit and two walks. Maybe Gordon had him figured out. It wasn’t a bad outing.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 30, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BBTN

was talking about his velocity being down to high 80s. Was that just because the tv gun wasn’t very good or do you think the food poisoning is still lingering and sapping his strength?

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 30, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Velocity seemed OK on the strikeouts.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TV gun versus in-stadium gun readings were far apart

Len and Bob were discussing that late in the game when Farnsworth was pitching. The in-stadium gun had him at 96 and the Comcast feed had 91. So maybe Harden was somewhere in between the high-80s and low-90s. I’d be willing to bet BBTN didn’t pick up on the discrepancy.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Mar 31, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting decisions at the bottom of the roster

If the Cubs currently have: 28 players on the Spring roster, .(40-man roster standing at 36 players) OR 15 pitchers (including one non-roster Fox), two catchers, six infielders and five outfielders hmmm subtract three

Gaudin, Guzman makes 26…..trading Guzman for some value is okay and whatever someone is willing take a dice roll on Gaudin.

Okay now there is Patton really is not that high of risk if through the first pass of the league he is productive, if not they send him back if he sticks it is a steal! This could allow Samardz to go to Iowa and get fully ready to start or relieve that is 25 but wait there remains Fox.

Again little risk for we know Fox is a disabled list waiting to happen but then again the Cubs are one infielder short for Hoffpauir is really a 1B/OF DH,

The decision is Patton or a trade, appears Vizcaino is on the team and Lou will probably abuse his arm——someone has to be abused.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 30, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think...

… that if the Cubs can get anything for Gaudin or Guzman, Samardzija goes to Iowa to start and Patton makes the team.

Fox will be released; he’s a non-roster guy so wouldn’t have to go on the DL.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 30, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW here is a pic on Mr. David Patton

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 30, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are right

There were press reports on a number of teams interested in Guzman, probably a AA or Advanced A ball player value.

Gaudin might be another Advanced A or AA ball talented disappointment.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 30, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as for Fox I was making a joke

It seems obvious they left a roster spot open for a 4th middle infielder

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 30, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you with Taguchi, German and Johnson with the Fox's

Cubs have some insurance in minor league contracts.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 30, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought this was him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 30, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Mar 30, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of you know I'm down here in Lawrence @ KU, about 50 minutes west of the Royals' Kauffman Stadium.

I listen to a lot of talk radio, go to quite a few games, and really like their core team this year. I’ll probably post a few game recaps of their games when they play NL teams this year. I like Hillman, he just seems like a guy that gets it.

And I cannot believe Bradley is hitting .524. Shit. This is gonna make it hard to make fun of him.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 30, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There's always his name to make fun of

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Mar 30, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding the Royals...
Finally, I have dissed the Royals at times in past years when seeing them in spring games. Not this year — that lineup, which is pretty close to their regular lineup, could actually score some runs. Alex Gordon is a stud who looks like he could have a breakthrough year. If Hillman can keep Guillen focused and get some good outings out of his pitching rotation, the Royals could surprise a lot of people in 2009.

The Royals have often been royally dissed, called the worst team in baseball. The Royals have not been good 1995-2009 with only one season above .500 in those years. And that’s too bad because thru much of of ’70’s and 80’s they were very good. That said though over the last several years I’d have given the crown of worst team in MLB to the Pirates. The last 4 years the Royals done well in interleague play. Plant the Royals in the NL Central and they’d be a top tier team (not nearly as good as the Cubs this year or last, but better than the Pirates, Reds, St. Louis, Astros and perhaps even the Brewers).

2008 13-5
2007 10-8
2006 10-8
2005 9-9

Here’s to the Royals regaining (some) of their former glory!

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Mar 30, 2009 10:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"the Royals HAVE done well"

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Mar 30, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

However...

… the Royals have not played the Cubs since 2001, so their success vs. the NL Central is against all the other teams.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 30, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to clarify

I didn’t make it clear. That was their interleague record not their record against the NL Central.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Mar 30, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice sig line!

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Mar 30, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's your punishment...

… for saying a nice thing about me.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Mar 30, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've had worse

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Mar 31, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you wanna crown their asses...

…I think the Royals have had both bad management and bad ownership in the decades you mention. The current management appears to ignore this history, and moving forward, has made moves and developed the right guys to make the transition to a second or top tier team. Granted, guys like Butler and Gordon haven’t panned out as they so far should have, but they are on the right track. I don’t think the Royals could compete in the NL Central with the likes of the Brewers, Cubs, or Cardinals, but they could surely beat up the Astros and Pirates and Reds on a regular basis. They are moving in the right direction, and the Indians, Sox, and Tigers are not.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 30, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pirates, accept thee crown

The last two years they’ve competed well in the limited games they’ve played against the Cards. But even as you seem to admit, the Royals (the worst team in the AL Central) are or have been better than 3 of teams in the NL Central.

They are moving in the right direction, and the Indians, Sox, and Tigers are not.

Why? In spite of the Sox winning 90 games or more in 3 of the last 4 years, I’d say they have some very good prospects in the pipeline. If this is a down year for the Sox, the Sox are positioned well for 2010 and the next few years.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Mar 31, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may have been an empty statement.

I have an assumption the Sox are getting old, no? Don’t get me wrong, our team is getting old, too, with Z, Soriano, Lee, Aramis, Bradley, etc., and no one really in the pipeline to take some of their places. I just have an idea (with no evidence to support it) taht the White Sox are an old team. True?

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 31, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Position by position...

In 5 of 8 fielding positions (excluding pitchers) the Sox are younger than the Cubs. AJ is clearly older than Soto, as Dye is to Bradley. And Konerko and Derrek Lee are the same age.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Mar 31, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Respective ages this year:

Sox – Cubs

CF Wise 31 Fuku. 32
2B Getz 26 Font. 29
LF Quen. 27 Sori.33
RF Dye 35 Brad. 31
1B Konerko 33 Lee 33
C AJ 33 Soto 26
SS Alex. 28 Theriot 29
3B Fields 27 Aram. 30

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Mar 31, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm tempted to point out that...

…the Royals have yet to play in 2009. But that would be nit-picking.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 31, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a source in AZ

who tells me that Jim H has asked Billy Beane if he’s interested in Chad Gaudin.

I think the answer would have been — “no.”

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 30, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Considering we just traded with Beane to get Gaudin

I’m not surprised.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 31, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe...

… Hendry would have actually attempted to trade Gaudin back to Beane.

Somewhere else, maybe. But Beane’s too smart for that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The aptly named...

and maybe even the missing-in-action new closer, Kevin Gregg

Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Film

by northernsails on Mar 31, 2009 3:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can see a regulary season game at PNC Park for only $9.

It will only cost me $54 to see all 6 Cubs games in Pittsburgh this year.

Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.

by Bricks and Ivy on Mar 31, 2009 7:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a little more than the cost of one Wrigley bleacher ticket.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a little more than the cost of one Wrigley bleacher ticket.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memphis-Ole Miss Game $10

The tickets for the game between the Univ. of Memphis and Ole Miss on Wednesday night at AutoZone Park on Wednesday night will be $10 each. The funny thing is you can get $5 tickets for the Grizzlies-Wizards game six blocks away at FedEx Forum on the same evening.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Mar 31, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

patton had really better make the squad

lou is on his side, but i wish patton had gotten to pitch instead of hart or wells in tuscon. they got shelled. the only thing he did wrong was give up two walks to japan. quite a few walks drawn by the wbc champs.

deal guzman.

shark to iowa.

gaudin to either dl (inflamed opp BA) or another team.

trot him out 40 times for 56 or so innings. can’t do much worse than howry last year. plant the seed in the minds of gms that we will take a shot at players you don’t protect.

and get this season started, pleeze.

by tim815 on Mar 31, 2009 7:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gaudin would have to agree to a DL spot

And he won’t. He’s a FA at the end of the year. Time on the DL will = less money.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Mar 31, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see how David Patton makes this squad in all truth

The Cubs have visions of post-season glory. How on earth can they allot a roster spot on a pitcher (no matter how talented he might be) who hasn’t pitched above Single A ball?!?! I’m sorry, but we aren’t the Pittsburgh Pirates and with the luxury of allotting a 25 man spot to a Rule V guy in hopes he becomes something very good and we get to keep him.

If Hendry wants Patton, then Hendry should be on the phone with Colorado trying to engineer a trade that allows Patton to start the season in Double A where he belongs.

by BLou on Mar 31, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Say a Chad Gaudin for Patton's rights type trade?

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Mar 31, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"in the hopes he becomes something very good"

correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t he very good now? Granted, there’s no guarantee he will stay very good, but what’s wrong with getting on the General’s tank and riding it for awhile? If the treads fall off later, then Hendry can work his magic at that point if he’s worth keeping.

Just seems odd to me that you would want the Cubs to weaken their bullpen now because of something that hasn’t even happened yet.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 31, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's spring training

David Patton has looked great in spring training games. There is a mile of difference between pitching in Mesa and doing same for a playoff contending team once the bell rings. Especially for a kid who hasn’t pitched above A ball and it can be argued would be at least a couple years away from the major leagues otherwise. Cubs don’t have the luxury of carrying a Rule V project on the roster. If Hendry and Piniella have seen enough in the kid to like him, then they need to work out a trade with Colorado and ship Patton down to Double A where he belongs.

by BLou on Mar 31, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Putting him a couple early games doesn't hurt the club

They can always give him back if he sucks it up in the first two weeks. It’s not like the system is hurting for crappy middle-relievers. Just call one of them up to take his place.

by dr stabbingworth on Mar 31, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there you go again

solving problems before they even happen. Howsabout you let that bell ring and then see how the kid does?

Haven’t you heard the news – America is the land of opportunity!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 31, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and yet

if he can actually get the ball over the plate and strike major league hitters out, why does it matter how long he’s been in A ball or AA ball?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 31, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Although I’d like to see what he can do in non-spring training games before judgment is passed.

by dr stabbingworth on Mar 31, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd give him

some sixth inning opportunities.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 31, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kosuke making this team is despicable

If he doesn’t understand by now that he needs to go down to Des Moines in order to put together his game, then I don’t know what to say. I just hope that Lou Piniella has Kosuke on a very short leash. And I hope that Reed Johnson and Joey Gathright are both up to the challenge of major playing time.

by BLou on Mar 31, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Until we know whether Kosuke

was asked to go to AAA, your rage is misplaced.

He needs to step it up. As for the leash, we need him to produce so a Pie-esque few days would hinder the season. He’s the CF and doesn’t need to hit .300 with 100 RBI’s. He’ll probably get 20 out of the first 30 games.

Let’s regroup after 30 games.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Mar 31, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pissed off with Hendry and Piniella more than anything

Nobody is as big a fan of Sweet Lou as I am. That said I am dumbfounded by the organization’s approach with Kosuke this entire offseason. Why was a $48 million investment that turned out very disappointing in 2008 given the go ahead to play sporadically in the WBC for Japan? I understand country pride and all of that, but my goodness this is a player that is being paid multi-millions of dollars by an American team and who turned out sour investment his first year. Fact is Kosuke should have been in Mesa from day one working his ass off. Also, the at-bats I have seen or read about so far this spring look eerily similar to the hitting approach I saw the last four months of 2008 to include the playoffs. Slapping at the breaking ball and corkscrewing into the ground and feebly hitting dribblers in the infield. And on top of all this Kosuke needs to learn the nuances of playing centerfield because it should not automatically be presumed he will be a good defensive centerfielder.

Any other organization and the General Manager and the Manager would have been aggressively in Kosuke’s face and challenging Kosuke the day after the playoffs concluded. But that hasn’t happened. Nope. Kosuke was permitted to head back home to Japan to figure things out on his own and allowed to fuck around in the WBC while he otherwise could have been working his ass off from the start in Mesa.

Odds of Kosuke doing satisfactory job in 2009 are long. Lets be very objectively honest here.

by BLou on Mar 31, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed things don't look good with Kosuke, but

by having the contract, he’s earned the opportunity to have a good sample of at bats before he’s declared done.

As for him playing in the WBC, that’s Bud and MLB’s doing. If Dome had refused to play, he would have had issues at home.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Mar 31, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on batting

What happened to all this talk about him working on his batting? Changing his stance or swing? Why does he look exactly the same?

by dr stabbingworth on Mar 31, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good questions.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait - I thought you didn't know what to say?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 31, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, the thing is...

We know that Joey isn’t up to playing major time, and we also know that RJ is not an everyday guy, it limits his effectiveness. It is not despicable that Dome made the team, we need him on the major league roster simply for the two reasons I mentioned above. Furthermore, we don’t know how much Dome has worked in the off season, or if he worked harder than ever, or not all. We do know one thing for certain: Dome is a very smart player, he understands what he needs to do in order to be ready to compete at a high level. I fully expect that he has worker hard in the off season, doesn’t necessarily want to show it in spring games, and will show us all that our worry is misplaced come opening day. I know that the Cubs brain trust isn’t infallible, but I don’t believe they were wrong about Dome. Let’s wait and see.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Mar 31, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy, now that's rich...

Kosuke doesn’t want to show it in spring games??? Oh my goodness.

by BLou on Mar 31, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, that's rich?

Thanks for your, ahem… opinion. It is widely known that Japenese players tend to reveal new wrinkles in their game in a detached manner. Take for example Dome last year, he stunk in ST, then came out of the box hot as a fire cracker with the bat. Just because you think you know it all, doesn’t mean that you do. You will have to try a lot harder to make fun of me.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Mar 31, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then I don’t know what to say.

I can’t decide if my response to this should be “if only” or “but how is that different from anything else”?

You’ve no idea what Dome has been asked to do.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 31, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said.

It’s way too early to judge Fukudome after 12 at bats (and the WBC). If we’re going to castigate him for going 2-for-12, we could just as easily be jumping for joy that he drilled a home run off one of the best closers in baseball.

Now, if he struggles when the lights come on in April and May, then the Cubs will have some tough decisions to make. But until then, I don’t see much purpose in fretting over every single at bat and defensive performance he has.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Mar 31, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Mar 31, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree and rec'd.

However, that was still a dumb play yesterday, to call off Reed Johnson when Johnson had the ball.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see it...

…but that does sound like a big mistake on Dome’s part. Like I said, seeing/hearing about him struggling defensively bothers me more than anything, because I’m really not expecting him to explode at the plate in spring training. He’s probably just getting his feet under him in general at this point, and he’s also likely dealing with some adjustment issues being in centerfield. He’s still looked pretty smooth and confident in the catches I’ve seen him make.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 31, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

this will be an interesting week. I hope he gets a lot of playing time.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 31, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to have to disagree...

The plan is to bat Kosuke # 2. I don’t see how on earth it is a good thing to allocate 100 or so early season bats on Kosuke batting in such a critical position in the lineup if there is little evidence to suggest he is up to the task. The Cubs are trying to make the playoffs. We aren’t the Pittsburgh Pirates and operating as a quasi-developmental league. The right objective baseball decision is to ship Kosuke to Des Moines and let him work on things for a month or so.

by BLou on Mar 31, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same deal as Patton

It doesn’t hurt to see what he can do for two weeks. Two weeks of Kosuke batting 2nd won’t hurt this club. The 2007 Cubs sucked it up for half a season and won the division.

“The right objective baseball decision”

You know decisions are not made in a vacuum. His 12 million/year salary will be taken into account. It’s pointless to argue otherwise.

by dr stabbingworth on Mar 31, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

“objective”… you keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it does.

The answer is simple. Every team wins 50 games and loses 50 games, and it’s the 60 in the middle that you don’t know about. Just have Dome hit in the games we know we’re going to win or lose. Then he can’t effect the outcome.

Sheesh.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 31, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else amused by blue mike wanting us to be objective as I am

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 31, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I'd reiterate...

…that I’m really not sure what Kosuke is going to work on in Triple A. Aside from perhaps a couple guys pitching rehab assignments, very few of the pitchers there are going to show him major league stuff. Certainly not major league breaking balls.

Honestly, I think if the Cubs do send Kosuke to Iowa, it will mean they’ve essentially given up on him. They’ll probably send him there to buy time while they negotiate either an ungodly buyout of his contract or an ungodly trade in which they end up “buying out” most of his contract anyway.

Don’t get me wrong – I still very much recognize that this situation could end very badly for all parties involved (including us). I just think we should all exercise some patience and not trust what our eyes (and emotions) may be telling us in spring training.

You have a good point about the No. 2 spot in the lineup. I think I’d rather see Fontenot get that spot to start the year. But Lou’s already gone on record about it, so he’s not likely to change his mind.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 31, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is known as

the blue mike dillemma. Putting Pie in AAA wasn’t enough for Blue Mike to suggest that he’d learned how to hit, so Pie was (rightfully, according to BM) traded. Of course, BM insists that our farm isn’t any good — when he was harping on Harden, he never thought we’d make the deal, much less for just Gallagher, Murton and Patterson.

Essentially, BM wants us to write Dome off. Send him to the purgatory of baseball, the Cubs AAA affiliate, and wait to try to trade him for peanuts.

No, thanks. Give the guy a chance in the regular season.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Mar 31, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dome

If you are going to give Dome ABs in the bigs to start the season to see if he can turn it around (which I think is the right thing to do,) then I think batting him in the 2 hole makes the most sense. What you are trying to do is get the guy a little bit of confidence. In MLB, he struggles with the curvy balls. Put him in a situation where he will be more likely to see more straight stuff. Remember, this guy was one of the best hitters in Japan. He isn’t some schmuck they picked up off the side of the road. Give him every chance to perform at a level that will justify his paycheck. I think putting him in the 2 hole does that, where batting him 8th is setting him up to fail again. Now, this is a temporary solution, you don’t just hit him 2 forever.

If he doesn’t hit in a month, then go from there.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Mar 31, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That could be where his missing Spring Training for the WBC does hurt

Outfield/Infield flyball priorities and communication would have been one of the things worked on early in Spring Training, which Fukudome obviously missed.

Though I’m sure that’s something that can be worked out in a morning practice or pregame session.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Mar 31, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spare me...

…a few bucks. I need to go get lunch.

"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 31, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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