Marshalling Our Resources: Cubs 4, Angels 8
MESA, Arizona -- If you thought you saw me scamper out of the way of Torii Hunter's two-run homer in the fourth inning on today's MLB Network telecast of the game, you were correct. The ball smashed onto our blanket, woke up Jessica who was napping, made a scuff on my scorecard (I wish I had a scanner here so I could show you!), clanged off the back fence, and into the hand of my friend Jim McArdle (plug coming: check out his new book "Living The Dream"), who promptly whipped it back on the field. (Wish we had a throwback ball with us.)
That was the highlight of an otherwise dreary 8-4 Cubs loss to the Angels. Sean Marshall wasn't sharp from the first batter, Chone Figgins, who reached on a wild pitch after a dropped third strike. Marshall then walked Howie Kendrick, but later got out of the inning and threw better until the fourth, when he faced nine batters, eight of whom reached base, seven of those on hits. All of the hits were hit hard, too.
Now, any pitcher is entitled to a bad outing, and Marshall has been so good this spring that I'm willing to write this one off, especially since I think the Angels are the best team in the American League (they've been playing like it all spring, too, with a major-league-best 24-6 record so far). After Marshall left, David Patton came in and gave up hits to the first two batters he faced, allowing two runs to score (charged to Marshall), but then settled down and retired the next five hitters he faced in order. In fact, the Cubs bullpen did a fine job today, throwing 5.2 innings, allowing four hits and striking out eight. Even Luis Vizcaino managed a scoreless inning with two K's, although he also walked two and let go a wild pitch.
Micah Hoffpauir smacked his sixth homer of the spring; he now has 26 RBI in 34 games, which puts him past Josh Hamilton for the major league spring training lead. Derrek Lee had three hits today, including two hard-hit doubles, raising his spring average to .314. Still worried about D-Lee? I'm not. Kosuke Fukudome singled in the first inning and then promptly got picked off -- not good. Then he tripled to deep center field in his third at-bat; that makes him 4-for-15 (.267) in four spring games, with two of the hits being for extra bases. Still too early to write him off, I think, but he'd better toss away the Ronny Cedeno Baseball Handbook he's apparently been using the last couple of days.
The elusive Kevin Gregg at last made another appearance in a major league spring game after a week's "sabbatical", and showed no sign of rust: he struck out the side in his single inning of work. There is still no decision about the last two spots in the bullpen; I maintain that the best possible solution would be to find a taker for Chad Gaudin's contract. That way, Jeff Samardzija could be sent to Iowa and Angel Guzman and Patton would have the last two spots in the pen. Barring that, perhaps the Cubs can make a deal with the Rockies to keep Patton and send him to Iowa, because I think he has a good arm and would be a useful bullpen arm, if not now, then later.
Today's smallish crowd of 9,165 brought the season total to 195,172, breaking the spring training record of 193,993 the Cubs set in 2005. With one game to go the spring average is 10,843.
Before the game I got a tour of the press facilities at HoHoKam courtesy of Tim Sheridan, the PA announcer who maintains "Boys of Spring", a complete compendium of information about the Cubs' long tenure in Arizona (the Cubs' 31 consecutive seasons in Mesa is the longest active such streak in the Cactus League; the Giants' 29 straight years in Scottsdale is second). Tim began as the PA announcer in 1984 and has been in the booth there continuously since 1989. The facilities there are as good as most major-league parks for writers; there are also several private suites that are as nice as the skyboxes at Wrigley Field.
And yet, the Cubs still are looking to upgrade. Mostly, the Cubs are seeking a better facility for their minor leaguers than they have at Fitch Park. I'll have a lot more to say about the Cubs' future in Arizona in a post I'll have up after the spring season is over.
In the meantime, there are four more "practice" games to be held, two here in the Valley and two in New York City. Tomorrow, Carlos Zambrano makes his final spring training start against A's lefthander Dallas Braden.
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al, you've seen patton throw
if we’re up three heading into the seventh,
would you be comfy in the seventh with
patton
guzman
either
neither
OT question...
Does anyone know when Comcast will have MLB Network HD for the Chicago area? Thanks!
Every time I see the name David Patton, I keep on thinking of David Kelton for some reason. Remember that guy? Yet another prospect that fizzled away.
MLB Network HD is supposed to be soon....
… I think they actually sent out a channel number sometime in the last couple weeks, but I can’t recall what it is. In any case, it should be soon, if not by Opening Day.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
regarding kelton and patton
one couldn’t hit a big league curve
the other may be approaching having one
I read
Channel 233. It ‘officially’ launches mid-May, but they begin broadcasting it tomorrow (April 1). I have no idea what the difference between the official launch and tomorrow is, but there it is.
by WittyUserName on Mar 31, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry I missed this, but what's with Gregg's "sabbatical"?
Did he leave camp or what? Is there something to this?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
No, I was being sarcastic.
He hadn’t pitched in a major league game in a week, since last Tuesday. Couldn’t figure out why. Glad to see him back.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Angels as the best team in the AL?
What are the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays, chopped liver? Anaheim is a flawed team that will desparately miss Teixiera
Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog
Yes, I think the Angels have the best offense in the AL.
Their pitching, that may be another story.
And yes, the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays are good teams, no question. All of them have flaws somewhere. So do the Cubs.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
If you head over to RLYW
Based on an averages of all of the major projection systems, the angels have the 7th best offense in the AL (behind NY, BOS, TB, CLE, DET, and BAL), and it is barely even the best in their (weak) division. Their pitching is the best in their division but not as good as the three-headed monster of the AL East. It’s too bad we can’t have a playoff of BOS, TB, NYY, and CLE, since they are easily the best 4 teams in the AL
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Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog
by berselius on Mar 31, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Angels' weak division...
…is why I wasn’t surprised at all when they went out in the first round despite having won 100 games. IMO, 97 wins in the AL East, is by far more impressive than 100 wins in the AL West.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
They're probably good enough to win the division
but the Angels really don’t impress me. The OF of Abreu, Hunter, and Vlad is solid, but getting more than a bit long in the tooth.
John Lackey’s injury concerns seem somewhat serious and Joe Saunders is nothing more than a mid-to-back-end roto type who had some serious luck for a spell last year. If Weaver and Lackey make 25 healthy, effective starts each, the rotation should be pretty good. I don’t see that happening though.
Fuentes is a big question mark at the end of the pen. The infield is very unimpressive. Chone Figgins SLG’d .318 last year (OPS+ of 82). That’s .318. Yikes. Mike Napoli raked in limited play last year and Howie Kendrick still has upside, though he has yet to prove he can stay anywhere close to healthy.
They should win a weak AL West, but let us not count out Beane’s troop. The A’s should be much improved.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
Why is Fuentes "a big question mark at the end of the pen"?
30 saves and an ERA below 3 isn’t to shappy.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
Fuentes has had some injury troubles this spring
Not to mention the fact that he was demoted from the closer role in Colorado in 2007 before reclaiming it last summer
Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog
Right.
What he said.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
It is interesting how things change (this is from an Angel fan).
Going into ST, our worries focused on an offense that had been generally anemic over the last few years.
Now, the offense seems to be jelling, while the pitching is questionable. (NOTE: Yes, it was my post on Halo Haven, but the comment by Zu Long links to some impressive ST offensive numbers). Life is like a box of chocolates…
One way or the other, best of luck to the Cubs in 2009. I hope the Angels meet you in the 2009 World Series.
ST stats are worthless
as far as I am concerned. Aside from sample size issues, it’s a completely different ballgame as far as how the players (pitchers especially) play the game.
Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog
Completely agree on the overall "value" of ST stats.
As my dad would say, “Spring training stats aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit”. Never wanted to test the premise…
However, the spring success may (though not necessarily) provide a harbinger of regular season achievement. I have traveled to Phoenix the last 7-8 Springs, and I have not seen the Angels hit the ball as they have this year….nothing less than remarkable.
But hell, I don’t know if this will hold for the regular season. They may end up again as a good pitching/mild hitting club.
Regardless (again), best of luck to the Cubs in 2009.
Well, there are those reports
of velocity problems, which also seem to not so coincidentally link with his 9.53 Spring ERA. Plus he’s had his issues in the closer role before. I’m not saying he hasn’t been a solid pen arm at times, but as far as the ninth is concerned, he has lost the job before.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
They may be flawed
But the Angles can beat any team in the central or east most of the time and in any playoff format. Mike Scioscia is a different cat.
They just can't beat the Red Sox in the playoffs.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 31, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
So do I.
They did so until 1978.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I also remember
when the Cubs AAA team was in Wichita, which makes sense since that was until 1980, two years after the move to Mesa. But the Cubs don’t change these things very often.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 31, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
And Wichita isn't Triple-A any more.
Their team is now in the Double-A Texas League. (Don’t ask me why a team in Kansas is in the Texas League.)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Wichita Team Moved
The Wichita Wranglers, the AA affiliate of the Royals, moved to Springdale, Arkansas, before the 2008 season. They are now known as the Northwest Arkansas Naturals in the Texas League.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Actually...
… it was the Aeros, to honor the aviation industry in the Wichita area.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Right again. I knew there was something wrong with my spelling. And, it’s “W-I-C-H-T-A.”
Boeing makes a lot of their fuselages in Witchita. Cessna, Beech, and Airbus are there, too.
Wichita Wingnuts
I do see that Wichita has a team called the Wingnuts in the independent American Association. That’s not to be confused with the AAA American Association that disbanded after the 1997 season.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Wichita Aeros=Buffalo Bisons
The Aeros moved to Buffalo and became the Bisons in the International League before the 1985 season. I remember the Wichita Aeros as the AAA affiliate of the Expos in 1982 and 1983, when the Memphis Chicks were Montreal’s AA affiliate in the Southern League.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
whoever
Is responsible for our baserunning should be fired!!! Our baserunning is horrible again this year. We can’t keep beating ourselves with little league fundamental mistakes.
I didn't get the players I wanted in the offseason!! Hopefully I get what I want in the Regular Season---The World Series Trophy!! Go Cubbies!!
is there a team stat
for ‘most times picked off’?
we’d be top 3 in it prolly
Fukudome in the 1st
He actually got back on the base, then slipped off. Between one foot popping off of 1st and the other landing on, he got tagged.
Isn't that still a base running error?
Over sliding the base isn’t a good thing.
www.talkingchicagobaseball.blogspot.com
Honestly, the Dome pickoff appeared to be a freak accident.
He was back on the bag in plenty of time. His cleats just slipped off the bag. Maybe it was a new base or something.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
....LOL.....
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Mar 31, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
...surely there must be a story there...
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Mar 31, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
No story other than a nap.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I was NOT napping
I was laying down with my head covered with a newspaper. It was REALLY hot in the direct sun and I was taking a breather. Had I been sitting up I most likely would have gotten the damn ball as it just rolled right where I was. Jim should not have thrown it back. Please tell me MLB Network did not show someone with a newspaper over their head.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Apr 1, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
After all that time I spent with McArdle last year showing him the ballhawk ropes for his book...
…this is how he repays me – by throwing back the REAL ball??? ;-)
Al – you get a pass because everyone knows about your passion for scorecards. I’d treasure that scuff if I were you – truly a red badge of courage. Can’t wait to see the scan.
And Jessica? Taking a nap – really? Well, I was going to make some remark about how you should be in the doggie-house for this, but then I realized that would be cruel pun-ishment. So instead, we’ll go with the ol’ standby, -1000 BCB points.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I do treasure that scuff.
If I had brought my glove, I’d have caught the ball.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
hendry scouring the waiver wire
for a mcarthur
we do have a lot of historical names
David Patton – General Patton (WWII)
Sean Marshall – General George C. Marshall (WWII)
Theodore Roosevelt Lilly – obviously
Derrek Lee – stretch with Robert E. Lee (Civil War)
Aaron Miles – General Nelson A. Miles (Civil War)
Milton Bradley – General Omar Bradley (WWII)
Koyie Hill – General AP Hill (Civil War)
Kevin Gregg – General John Gregg (Civil War)
Jeff Stevens – General Isaac Stevens (Civil War)
Moral of the story: I officially have waay too much time on my hands
#34: You'll be missed!
I'm sure you could find a few Fukudome's
who fought in WWII as well, for the other guys.
Not that I’m encouraging this tomfoolery.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Nope, no WWII Japanese Generals named Fukudome
closest is a Major General Banzo Fukutomi
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
Fernando De Soto
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/explorers/fernando-de-soto.htm
does that count?
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
I know this was discussed in a FanPost but...
anyone know who’s pitching after Harden Sat.?
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
Yes.
Monday: Zambrano
Tuesday: Dempster
Wednesday: Lilly
Friday: Harden
Saturday: Zambrano
Sunday: Dempster
Mon 4/13 (home opener): Lilly
That’s as far as I’ve gotten.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Cubs can't and won't keep both Patton and Guzman
This was discussed before, but there is no chance in my view that the Cubs keep both Patton and Guzman. This aint’ Pittsburgh Dorothy and we don’t have the luxury of squirreling away a couple developmental projects in that bullpen. If the Cubs want to keep Patton then Hendry needs to engineer a trade with Colorado so the young man can be shipped to High A or Double A where he belongs at this stage of development.
You've made your point about Pittsburgh
about six times now. Why don’t you try coming up with a different argument? Because it’s clear you aren’t going to change anyone’s mind by repeating the same line over and over again.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 31, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
But what if it's the Boston model?
Believe it or not, the Red Sox have been highly successful over the last 5+ years at developing talent at the Major League-level without sacrificing wins.
Kids like Manny Delcarmen, Javier Lopez and Justin Masterson have all been given opportunities to pitch in the Major Leagues despite being unproven (Masterson was definitely a bigger prospect, I’ll grant that). The bullpen didn’t suffer, in fact, it improved.
So, you could argue that the Cubs, by virtue of their strong team (and the relative weakness of the NL Central), actually are in a better position to keep both Guzman and Patton on the club and see if they can pay off. If not, there will be plenty of relievers to pick up during the season and from Iowa.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Apr 1, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
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Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Good as place as any to bring it up
Throwing the ball back is such a stupid hillbilly tradition.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
And even more ridiculous...
… when it’s not even the ball that gets tossed back on the field.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Right... what's worse
Keeping an “enemy” ball and being a traitor or substituting another ball and keeping the enemy ball and lying about it.
I’d prefer the traitor to the false patriot any day.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
So, big deal.
Why does this bother you so?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 31, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions
probably so he can bait people into defending it
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 31, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
There is no defense
Just the statement that “it’s always been done”
That’s not a reason. That’s inertia.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
exactly
see baiting.
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 31, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
twss
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 1, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyway,
I think Guzman needs to be packaged in a deal, quickly, since he’s out of options. Patton needs to go north, he’s looked darn good. Guzman may never amount to anything, unless he’s the Juan Cruz of 2012.
(It took what — 6 to 7 years for Cruz to finally become a set-up man?)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 31, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions
Hmmm, if we keep two certain pitchers...
A certain often-banned Cubs fan will state that it is.
What’s bugging me is that people think that we don’t have the ability to test out arms of prospects because we’re in trouble. Incorrect, right now, we’re in the driver’s seat in the central. Anyone who believes otherwise has already jumped off the edge, and there’s no coming back from that idiotic plunge.
I think that the start of a major league season would be the perfect time for us to test out 2 pitchers who MAY or MAY NOT be better than other relievers we have. In fact, I’d rather test out all of our pitchers now, because in 2 months when someone gets injured, we aren’t gonna know who to call up. I’d also rather have us KNOW a player is good and pray that he turns out like David Price when we put him in a postseason game he has no business being in.
So, in closing, everyone who thinks that Patton and Guzman are bad ideas and we will fail if we have them on our team, riddle me this.
Name me one team that has 0 questions in their bullpen. Couldn’t come up with an answer??? It’s because there are none and you are ledge jumpers.
Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? - Jim Bouton
"in the driver's seat"
The Cards are going to be a good team this year, and the Mets, Braves, and Phillies should all be fighting for the wild card.
I agree though, the Cubs could stand to test out a couple arms in the bullpen. Teams will be dumping over-paid relievers later this year anyway.
by dr stabbingworth on Apr 1, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's remember, too...
… that the Cubs gave Carmen Pignatiello a spot on last year’s opening day roster. He pitched in only two games — badly — and was sent back down quickly.
Now, with Patton & Guzman they don’t have that choice, as Patton would have to be waived or traded or returned to the Rockies, and Guzman is out of options. But I do know if they make the team and don’t perform, Lou will find someone else who will.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
you think the rockies would just take guzman?
yeah, i don’t think so either.
There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner
by laidbackliam on Apr 1, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, they might.
Guzman has a good arm. Teams like that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
That's a good comparison.
At least the Cubs learned the truth about Piggy sooner rather than later.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Looks more like Scranton.
Damnit, I think we missed a turn.
"That little kid at second base - he is after a job, isn't he?" ~ Lou Piniella, 3/9/09
Agree
The Cards will be the toughest team in the NL Central. I would not be surprised if they stay in the hunt all year. It will take very bit of 95 wins to take the division.
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

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