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Marshalling Strikeouts: Cubs 2, Rangers 7

The Cubs lost to the Rangers today 7-2, their sixth loss in a row, but the most important stories came on the HoHoKam Park mound.

Sean Marshall was outstanding today, becoming the first Cub starter to go four innings -- and he gave the good-hitting Rangers only two singles, and struck out three. It's too early to give the fifth starter's job to Marshall, but he's got to be the favorite now, especially since that would give the Cubs two lefties in the rotation, something Lou would like (I know Lou likes lefthanded hitters, but he also likes LHP in the rotation). Tomorrow, two of the other candidates, Chad Gaudin and Jeff Samardzija, will throw against the Royals (we'll also see Kevin Gregg and Randy Wells), and isn't it nice to have two others besides Marshall who could start -- three, if you count Aaron Heilman?

If Marshall can't handle the load, there are others who can. That's something the Cubs haven't had much of in the last few years, pitching depth.

Kevin Hart and Chad Fox probably pitched their way off the team today, Fox with his wildness helping lead to the Rangers' lead run in the 8th, and Hart loading the bases on a single and two walks and then letting Greg Golson, who was acquired by trade by the Rangers last fall but who has little chance of making the team, hit a grand slam. Too bad, as I thought that Hart, who had enough talent to get himself on the 2007 postseason roster, could have become a useful bullpen pitcher for the Cubs, but it seems he's destined to be a career minor leaguer. Fox, who seemingly has been coming to Cubs spring camps since the 1970's, is probably finally done at age 38. Give the guy credit for trying several comebacks, but it's time to give it up. Meanwhile, Luis Vizcaino, who maybe should give it up, also was wild, issuing three walks that helped lead to the Rangers' two-run fifth, and he couldn't even finish his designated inning of work -- not very good for those of us who are hoping that the scouts will recommend to someone to pick up his contract.

The Cubs' two runs scored on a double play and an infield out. That's not very good offense, and the only Cubs who had decent offensive days were Aramis Ramirez (2-for-2) and Koyie Hill (2-for-2, a walk, a run scored), and if Hill could even hit 100 points lower than the .357 he currently sports, he'd be a useful backup catcher.

The strikeouts came from Jose Ascanio and Neal Cotts, both of whom threw shutout innings and struck out the side. That's a good sign for Cotts; for Ascanio, it probably makes him the closer at Iowa again.

Attendance today was 11,082 on a coolish, 66-degree day; that makes the seven-game average 9,680, not bad for this early in the spring. (It'll likely go down tomorrow, a Monday afternoon against the Royals.)

For once, the visiting radio broadcast was pretty decent; apart from one 1908 mention (at 3:31 pm CDT, 24 minutes into the game), Eric Nadel and Dave Barnett did a nice job of calling the game straight and seemed fairly knowledgeable about the Cubs. Tomorrow's game will again be available at the MLB.com Mediacenter, via KCSP, the Royals flagship, hopefully with Denny Matthews, one of the best in the business (and hopefully NOT with Ryan Lefebvre, who ... isn't). Brian Bannister will start for the Royals tomorrow, and will be followed by, among others, Luke Hochevar, Joel Peralta, and our old buddy Dr. Tightpants, Kyle Farnsworth.

While spring training results mean nothing, these games have seen the Cubs look pretty flat and lifeless, with little offense generated to support the good pitching. It's time to step it up and start hitting.

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luke ho-shaver

nice pronounciation, dude

by tim815 on Mar 8, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

At this point I'd be shocked if Marshall wasn't the 5th starter.

However this is very long ST, you never know what might happen.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Mar 8, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

eh, the losses don't matter

but come on, I’d like to see at least a couple wins..

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Mar 8, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I could care less. Zero Significance

In spring training wins and losses should be disregarded completely.

It’s not about the wins. Its about players getting up to par so they can produce when the games really do matter.

Half the time, the games are won and lost by players that won’t see any big league action.

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry

by EJThunder on Mar 8, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

so its not ok that I root for my team to win a game?

even though it is meaningless?

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Mar 8, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

........No.

I didn’t imply that the slightest bit.

I just think that spring training records should be ignored.

I care more about Koyie Hill improving at the plate, Rich Harden trying to build up some stamina in his throwing shoulder, Big Z starting to strike out more batters, etc.

Of course, you root for them to win but it shouldn’t be made a big deal if they start losing like they are now.

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry

by EJThunder on Mar 8, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs have had some of their best years when they were horrible in spring training.

1984, 1989 and 2003 were all bad springs.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 8, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I was trying to find past cactus league standings but to no avail.

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry

by EJThunder on Mar 9, 2009 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Online spring standings only go back to about 2001.

But I can tell you from having been there that the Cubs looked horrible in the spring in 1984 and 1989. In ’84 they lost 13 games in a row — which was the impetus behind Dallas Green making the deal to acquire Bob Dernier and Gary Matthews right at the end of ST.

Without that deal the Cubs probably don’t win the division.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2009 4:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Heilman a little better, so far.

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry

by EJThunder on Mar 8, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Unless he changes pitching arms

Lou probably won’t like him better.

I think they have both been good but I confess I am prejudice towards Marshall. He is kind of the last “link” to Maddux as he dutifully hung around him soaking up his advice. I mean it was nice to see Dempster credit Maddux yesterday but not the same as the “kids” he worked with.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 8, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think Lou would go with Marshall...

even if they both continues their recent success this spring.

2 lefties in the rotation would be nice.

Hopefully Heilman won’t complain, like he’s rumored to have in the past, if he’s sent to the ’pen.

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry

by EJThunder on Mar 8, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

winning can cure whining

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 8, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yabbut...

… those guys looked REALLY bad today.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 8, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just watched the beginning of the USA/VEN game...

ESPN still thinks DeRosa plays for the Cubs.

Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.

by Bricks and Ivy on Mar 8, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

i saw that too

and it made me very, very sad

"I'm like the tide baby: I come and go as I please." --Johnny Drama

by cubs2234 on Mar 8, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it was all just a bad dream...

Don’t forget though, without dumping DeRo we probably don’t get Milton.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Mar 8, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA! Didn't catch that gem

but later, during one of Mark’s at-bats, the announcer said, “Here’s Mark DeRosa, played with the Chicago Cubs the last two years, but signed with Cleveland in the offseason.”

It becomes quickly apparent when watching ESPN that research is a lost art.

"I've got an idea...an idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about." ~Peter Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Mar 8, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Sutcliffe is drinking again

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Mar 8, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course, Sutcliffe isn't responsible for graphics.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2009 4:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

5th starter job comes down to Marshall and Heilman

I do think that Heilman will get the nod in the end, if for no other reason than Marshall is going to be needed in that bullpen. Cotts is not a firecracker by any stretch, and I’m starting to think our bullpen is going to be very much a mixed bag once you get past Marmol and Gregg.

If Marshall is in the rotation then our bullpen concerns me more than if he is not. I think this is how Lou will conclude on the subject as well.

by BLou on Mar 8, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Is Victor Zambrano

Carlos’ brother?

"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.

by Emelie on Mar 8, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

no, they are unrelated.

but they are from the same hometown which is kinda odd.

by bikemonkey on Mar 9, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of the three Zambranos to have played major league baseball...

… two have played for the Cubs.

Eduardo Zambrano career stats

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2009 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

DEROSA WITH THE 2-RUN TRIPLE! GO AHEAD RUNS 2-1 USA WINNIN IN THE 4TH

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 8, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I am so pissed off that Hendry traded him

I know he had to make payroll room for Bradley but man, I’m gonna miss having him

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Mar 8, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I woulda

preferred keeping Wood & DeRosa and signing Dunn, but that’s just me. I don’t like almost any of Jimbo’s off-season moves this year—in contrary to his previous years. Nothing that can be done about it now, I guess.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 8, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially after the Nats...

…got Dunn for $10M per, and LAA got Abreu for only $5M guaranteed. I know hindsight is 20/20, but after those signings, it looks as if Jimbo may have jumped the gun and over-paid. We basically traded De-Ro for Milton — I hate it!

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Mar 8, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

We traded DeRosa because he was right-handed.

In a sense, it was the mirror image of the Juan Pierre trade. In that trade the manager said we HAD to get a lead-off hitter, so we gave up three young pitchers to get the lead-off hitter. In this recent trade the manager said we HAD to get more left-handed, but in this case we got the three young pitchers but lost DeRosa.

When you subtract Miles’ salary from what we “saved” on DeRosa, it’s clear his salary wasn’t a hold up on getting Bradley.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Mar 8, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

are you and Doggie partners? ;-)

I can see it now – DGU and Stalker, FBI agents investigating mysteries and conspiracies on the new Fox series…

…The Lou Files

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 8, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry never met him

Hardly a conspiracy though since Hendry pretty much said at the Convention DeRosa was traded to make the team more left handed.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 9, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

$20 million for an injury plagued and enigmatic Kerry Wood? No. That would have been stupid baseball decision.

Adam Dunn is incapable of playing the outfield and cost more money than a more complete and better overall ballplayer in Milton Bradley.

Mark DeRosa? That one hurts. A lot. That said, I’m thinking Jim Hendry is going to have a new infielder on this team no later than May 1st.

by BLou on Mar 8, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Milton is pretty "injury plagued" himself...

…AND, he got more money

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Mar 8, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

No he didn't

Look at the two contracts in terms of what is guaranteed. Bradley is a better deal. And a distinctly better and more complete ballplayer. Dunn needs to be DHing. If Washington wants to operate a freak show with him in the outfield en route to losing their annual 95 games, then they can go for it.

by BLou on Mar 8, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could have sworn...

…Bradley signed for 3 YR/$30M — Dunn, 2 YR/$20M — Wood, 2 YR $20.5M. I heard something about the Cubs being able to void the final year if he doesn’t play in a certain number of games, but I can’t remember.

I never made the case for Dunn OR Abreu — All I was saying is that as the offseason went on, and the economy sunk more and more, the market for outfielders went lower and lower. When the World Series ended, I doubt too many people envisioned Abreu and Dunn signing for so little — Milton, considering his antics and injury proned history, got one hell of a deal when you compare him to other outfielders.

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Mar 8, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's fine.

We can disagree. I don’t like Gregg, GameBoard, Miles, Bako, or especially Heilman. I know what I’m getting from Wood & DeRosa. And if you look at Dunn’s stats, he produces almost the same exact line every year—40 HR, 100 RBI, and a .380 on-base clip. I dunno what to expect from GameBoard (as in games played), or which Aaron Heilman is going to show up—2005 Aaron, or 2008 Aaron.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 8, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was no place to play Adam Dunn

A healthy Milton Bradley is a plus defensive outfielder. In addition to being a guy who can legitimately compete for a batting title and gets on base. He also plays with a sense of urgency and intensity that will be VERY refreshing addition to this Cub team.

Adam Dunn? I’m fine with acquiring him just as soon as the paperwork comes through that institutes the DH in the National League.

by BLou on Mar 8, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Key words -- "A healthy Milton Bradley"...

Just as “a healthy” Kerry Wood is a plus relief pitcher that is a good clubhouse guy and made the 2008 All Star Game.

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Mar 8, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

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by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2009 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd play with a sense of urgency too...

…if I only played 100 games a year.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 8, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The key for Marshall is not how well he pitches innings 1-4

which he tends to do well on. It’s innings 5+ that he’s struggled to make it through. If he doesn’t show the stamina, it will be very easy to keep him in the swing role. I’m rooting for him, but I won’t be surprised if Heilman gets the first chance.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Mar 8, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

yes Marshall has been a very good 1-4 IP pitcher, it is the 3rd time through the order

the question than is is ability to locate his fastball and get his bender over for a strike. Now Lou and Company has said he has improved to the next level, if that means he is now getting into a 7th will determine alot.

It could mean the difference between a 12th and 11th pitcher and 13th and 14 position player.

Also I think Blou see’s the issue right now, Cubs are confident with Marmol and Gregg but want to see more arms ready to dominate. Heilman could be that 7th inning arm.

Okay so the choices are now Cotts, Guzman, Gaudin and Vizcaino or someone else to come.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 8, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is why...

… the next few spring outings for Marshall are important, to see if he can handle the longer workload as he pitches 5, 6, 7 innings.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2009 4:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

DRoe

Has a 2 RBI triple…
*weep

That's shitastic!

by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Mar 8, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

It'll be interesting if Lefebvre does the broadcast

He is the one whom Milton attempted to “talk” to last year, after Lefebvre made some comments that Bradley did not appreciate. Here’s a link to more on this.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Mar 8, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Lefebvre

I heard him on one of the XM Royals broadcasts earlier this weekend. I’d assume that he’d be doing the Cubs game, too.

by dmlichte on Mar 8, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Lefebvre...

… according to this, is a TV broadcaster, not radio. Not sure how he wound up on an XM broadcast.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2009 4:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

DeRosa 3 RBIs

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 8, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

11 pitch at bat gives Youk a 2 run shot. USA up 10-3. I think this one is over.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 8, 2009 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Mt. Piniella begins to erupt...

“I can hear (Lou Piniella’s) head exploding from here, can’t you? Even in a spring training game, no manager, especially one with (Lou’s) volatile nature, wants his team to lose (six straight and eight of nine). But that’s exactly what happened…”


“Look, spring training wins and losses don’t mean anything,” Piniella said. “But you don’t want to get in the habit of getting your [butts] kicked every day either. That I can tell you, and that’s exactly what’s happening here.”

by DrCrawdad on Mar 8, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

DeRosa 4 RBIs

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Mar 8, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

It's like rubbing salt into the wound

I have a feeling that he’s going to have a very good year for the Tribe.

by bluekoolaide on Mar 8, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Mar 8, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I've always been in Marshall's corner...

I don’t know why he hasn’t gained management’s complete confidence. He’s a nice, tall, young lefty. He should have no problem finding a spot in a starting rotation for any team in MLB.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.

We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."

-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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by SackMan on Mar 9, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions  

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