Experiments in time travel
I generally prefer the Pat/Ron rendition to any TV broadcast, although I’ll admit to moving up from just tolerating Len/Bob to actually liking their work. If Bob could stay away from the far too many Giant/DB references I would enjoy even more. Additionally, no matter how much I prefer the radio team, watching the game on HD and listening through big speakers on SS trumps that preference.
This Sunday night, the Cubs TV broadcast will only be on ESPN, and while I know this sounds immature, I simply refuse to listen to their call. The collective incompetence, lack of preparation, and in some cases intentional anti-Cub bias (Morgan) is something I just choose not to subject myself to.
But, of course … I will watch. So, what I would like to do is simply listen to WGN while watching ESPN (I can simply do this now from one remote through my SS system). I have done this many times in the past on simpler technology, first driven to it by the network nitwits doing Bear games.
Which brings me to the tech problem -- there is that noticeable minor delay in the audio sync between the TV/Radio broadcast. The radio feed being 5-8 secs ahead of the TV feed. These days, I am on Comcast Digital/DVR and I swear sometimes the delay in the audio sync between the TV/Radio is closer to 20-30 secs! In a weird way, I found this was actually very interesting especially when multitasking -- listen to the live radio and look up to the TV to see their live feed when something deserving visual attention occurs – a continuous rolling instant replay. But, invariably it’s too tedious and I’ll give in to just one feed.
The solution – Time Travel?
I heard a radio ad for something called Sports Sync Radio (www.sportsyncradio.com/). The ads were specific to syncing TV and radio sports broadcasts, and I impulsively purchased the radio ($39.95).
What is it? Picture an old-time 1970 style AM, 9-volt transistor radio, with a plastic body with the funky telescoping silver antenna – and you get the idea. There are analog selector dials to try to wiggle-in the stations. But in stark contrast, right there on the front of this extremely antiquated looking radio is – well it is a time machine! There is a weird selector switch that lets you choose the number of seconds you want to go back in time! It looks a cheap prop from really bad Sci-Fi B-movie.
So, 3rd inning opening night, game on Comcast (200 on my local guide), I attempt an alpha test of my new time machine. Set it to 1 sec – hear Pat stutter; set to 2,3 secs - déjà vu; 4 secs getting better; 5 secs – I hear the pop in Soto’s mitt at the exact instant I see it on TV! SYNCHRONICITY achieved! Successful first test of the time machine. I quickly power down the machine to conserve batteries.
Beta test – 2nd game, 4th inning, on WGN (192 on my local guide). Feeling a little cocky from the previous test, I fire up the time machine to immediately go to 5 sec. There is this weird beeping as the time machine counts out the delay, but I’m now 5 secs back in time. I hear the pop in Soto’s mitt and the exact instant look up to see Demp getting his sign! What going on, a parallel universe? I bravely crank up the time machine to 6, 7, 8 secs – 8 secs is the maximum warp speed on the time machine. I wait to hear the pop in Soto’s mitt and the exact instant look up to see - Demp doing his mitt waggle. Beta test a failure! So I turned off the time machine feature, and just ran the radio and measured WGN TV is a fill 14 secs behind WGN radio.
Again, I’m not concerned about the games Len/Bob are doing, But, Sunday it’s ESPN, and I am not sure what their delay is, and how the time machine will perform. I will comment back to this post with my Pilot Test results Sunday during the game.
If anyone understands the specific factors that explain the differences in Radio/TV sync’ing, and/or knows what I should expect the delay to be on ESPN I would appreciate the help.
I should also say that Sports Sync Radio in fact does everything it advertises it can do, but for $39 you get what you pay for. If anyone one else has solved this problem in a higher tech way – I would love to hear about it.
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I think it has something to do with turning the donkey wheel in the basement...
The bitch is if that wheel gets stuck, then you flash forward and backwards in time and get nosebleeds and, if your name is Charlotte, end up dying.
Just my .02
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by carmen_fanzone on Apr 10, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Epic win. +1
John Locke FTW
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OK, this wasn't about what I thought it was going to be about
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I'll listen to Bob & Len
when they’re doing the TV. Otherwise, it’s radio.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
I like Pat and Ron
so I will listen to their feed and watch the game at the same time, usually doing something else at the same time. It’s only about 3-4 seconds but I like the fact Pat calls a HR and I can look up and actually not miss it. It’s an “acquired taste” but I like it.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
I'm a bit like you
as far as Len and Bob. I’ve also went from just tollerating them to somewhat liking them. I still despise Joe Morgan, and miss the www.firejoemorgan.com website.
"I won't be like A-Rod" - Z, 3/17/09
Was your flux capacitor fluxing?
I can’t even get WGN radio with any regularity in St Louis so I usually suffer through the announce crew. If it’s Sutt it’s not too bad, but Morgan induces vomiting. Often, especially when the Cubs are in the field, I’ll just mute it and play my guitar.
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by neverAcquiesce on Apr 10, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions
I like Sut too....
but unfortunately the Sunday night game is usually our dear pals Jon Miller and Joe Morgan. Actually, I have no problem with Jon Miller, but we all know about Morgan. Sometimes I’ll turn down the volume and listen to Pat and Ron, but I listen to Morgan occasionally just to try to catch anything ridiculous that he says.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
Yeah, I don't mind Miller either.
And I will admit to enjoying Morgan on occasion under the “so tremendously awful it’s hilarious” banner.
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by neverAcquiesce on Apr 10, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I usually watch on tv
and listen on WGN radio via MLB.com’s broadcast. I’m too far away to get anything local down here in Kansas.
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If you have a DVR, you can try this -- but it's kind of a pain and I only tried a couple of times:
Fire up the MLB.com radio broadcast on your computer. Then, mess with the rewind on your cable/satelite box until it’s synched.
Great solution, right? Well, yeah — until MLB.com hiccups. Or, you forget and change the channel between innings. Then you have to do it all over again.
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
... don't understand
the normal situation I see is the radio feed as ahead of the TV. So, with the radio, using the TV DVR will only make the problem worse. Really, I need a Radio DVR – which in fact is exactly what the Sports Sync Radio does.
So, are you saying you can add addtional delay to the MLB.com feed?
The internet feed is more delayed than DVR
That’s what he is saying.. that way you delay the DVR to sync.
by GoCubbies34 on Apr 10, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Guess is bandwidth
Either way, the reason doesn’t matter. GC34 is correct. Use the fact that the internet broadcast is delayed to fiddle with the DVR. I don’t think it’s worth the hassle, though — you have to wait until the game actually starts, and you end up not enjoying it as much until you’ve got things timed.
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
There should be another option
indifference to the national network announcers. Would I rather be listening to Pat and Ron or Bob and Len? Of course, but if the Cubs are on the ESPN or Fox or something, I just go with it. HOWEVER, if Joe Morgan is anywhere nearby the broadcast, then it sucks.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
+1
I am pretty ambivalent about the announcers on ESPN. I watch the game and the commentary is a distant second. I do get annoyed by people like Morgan and McCarver when they say stupid things, but not enough so that it ruins the broadcast for me I really kind of tune out the garbage.
I certainly enjoy listening to Ron and Pat when I am in the car, but I never listen to them at home. As far as Len and Bob are concerned, they are an excellent team and they make the broadcast much more enjoyable with their insights. I’m not the type of person that needs to hear how wonderful the Cubs are. I am already a fan and whether or not the announcer praise or criticize, it doesn’t bother me at all. Maybe that’s why I don’t really get excited about who is doing the ESPN broadcast. I am first and foremost a Cub fan and anything the talking heads say really doesn’t matter a whole lot.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 10, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I pretty much agree with you
I can put up with almost anyone, except for a couple of guys – Joe Morgan being one. I think I’m a pretrty good baseball fan in general, but no expert on anyone except perhaps the Cubs. But, when ignorant guys like Morgan don’t do their homework, and spout facts which are wrong, that just not right. When I know waaaaaaay more about the Red Sox for instance than Joe. There’s no excuse for a guy doing a national game not to be up on what’s going on.. If you listen to Morgan, he’ss admit that he doesn’t even watch most teams play, except for the 1 game a week he covers. That’s inexcusable.
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by Ihatethecards on Apr 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a DVR
and have had success pausing the video until it catches up with the WGN audio. I live in San Diego, so I get audio via my computer, so that’s also slightly delayed. I use this technique whenever Joe Morgan, Joe Buck, or Tim McCarver are on. Can’t stand those guys.
again, that is strange,
the normal behavior I see is radio is always ahead of TV. So “pausing the video until it catches up with the WGN audio” moves the time problem (for me) in the wrong direction.
Your experience is normal when listening over the air -- read CA's post again
I get audio via my computer
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
internet radio is delayed
i don’t know why, but when you listed to the mlb radio feed it is several seconds behind live tv, which is convenient for those of us who pause the DVR and sync. it is rather easy to do. i think that is your solution – don’t get the sportssync radio or whatever, but purchase the mlb radio subscription for $15 and use your computer to listen to the game instead of your radio.
the pink hat guy is my father
Morgan
IMO he’s not anti-Cubs, he’s anti everything not Cincinnati Reds. He never has anything positive to say about anyone, whether its Cubs related, Brewers related, Giants, Dbacks, Rays….
But the addition of Steve Phillips has turned that broadcast into just a steaming pile of garbage.
I think he favors the Red Sox/Yankees...
as well…
Anybody see the new ESPN commercial where Phillips talks about ‘discovering’ David Wright? Oh my.
Free Ronny Cedeno
Morgan sucks
When he broadcasts the game, I just listen to my Best of Harry Caray CD.
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by Jose's Eyelid on Apr 11, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
easier way to fix this
the Radio i usually ahead of the TV, using a DVR pause the game a few seconds to line it up.
I have not done so with internet since I do not have gameday audio
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I appreciate the suggestion -
- but don’t understand it. If “the radio is ahead of TV” (which is what I observe), then delaying the TV even more w/DVR only makes the problem worse.
Some have suggested getting the radio feed over the Internet makes the radio behind the TV. If true, then your suggestion makes perfect sense for that situation.
I just pull out my Lexicon digital delay unit and put it on my stereo system.
If you dial it all the way up you can get about 10 seconds.
Course, most people don’t have studio quality audio effects units lying around, so your results may vary.
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Update - if anyone interested,
I used the Sports Sync Radio last night on the ESPN telecast. Worked great, the ESPN delay was 8 secs exactly (which is the max delay on SSR).
So, my biggest remaining question is why different TV channels have different delays compared to the WGN radio feed? The delays are:
5 secs – Comcast Sports (#200)
14 secs – WGN HD (#192)
8 sesc – ESPN HD (#172)
I would have thought there was some regulatory thing that would standardize this.

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