It is time to DeMote D-Lee.
by smitster2008 on Apr 13, 2009 3:19 PM CDT
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PrintYep. With each weak ground ball hit to a middle infielder, it becomes more clear that D Lee is no longer a feared hitter.
Don't get me wrong...
I love his glove, leadership, and everything else, but his days of being a #3 hitter on a perennial division winner are over.
What upsets me more is the notion that D Lee deserves to hit in that spot. No he doesn't. We aren't talking about a declining Sammy Sosa or Albert Pujols here (not that Pujols is declining). D Lee hit his stride late in his career, had some very impressive seasons and will continue to be productive (barring injury) probably until his late 30's. He does not deserve to hit #3 based on any past performance. Ramirez is clearly the more dangerous hitter. Yes, DL has had more hits in the past two seasons but that is mostly because DLee plays every game. Aram's power numbers and OPS are better and, frankly, I'm a little pissed that it was Aramis that got moved into the 5 hole when Bradley showed up.
Hopefully, DLee will find his stroke before long, but for now, it looks like another season of "DP Lee".
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D-Lee just D-lighted with a D-ble
And he has been driving the ball. Lighten up.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 13, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
its a legitimate question to ask
if lou has to break up the lefties, why not hit bradley 3, aramis 4, fontenot 5 and dlee 6? or put fontenot 2 and dome 5, either way, its a better lineup than the one that has arguably your 4th best hitter in the 3 hole.
Lou: hit Aramis 3rd for the love of everything baseball.
Why don't you call Lou and give him that suggestion. I'm sure he'd be glad to
hear your opinion on the subject.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 13, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
just because lou won't hear of it
that does not mean it’s a bad idea.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Apr 13, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take some of the ideas posted here a little more serious when the
poster is an employee of a major league team. Not a janitor mind you, but one of the guys that puts on a baseball uniform with his name on the back.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 13, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That's Dusty Baker logic.
“I’m a major league manager, ergo I am right and you, Mr. Reporter, are wrong.”
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
No,it's not and I would appreciate it if you would not characterize that way. My point is that
some people have the idea that they are far superior to the Cubs manager when making decisions about the lineup. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I respect that, but when people keep stating the same mantra over and over again, it becomes tiresome.
Pardon me, but I do give some credence to Lou’s reasoning. I happen to think that maybe he has a reason for constructing the lineup the way it is and maybe, just maybe he knows a little bit more about the team than I do. After all he has won a few games in a major league uniform and as yet, I have not won any.
Maybe DLee will stay in the #3 hole or maybe Lou will move him, but I certainly don’t feel that I am infinely more qualified to make that decision. I have an opinion and that’s exactly what it is, an opinion. Stating that same opinion over and over is certainly not going to change the facts or Lou’s mind. I am no more qualified to tell Lou how to construct the lineup than a two-year-old is to the the President how to run the country. That two-year-old may have an opinion, but I don’t believe that you believe that he knows more about running the country that the President does.
Look, the team is winning now and playing pretty well. Don’t you think that the manager takes that into account when deciding whether or not to change the lineup?. We are one week into the season and I feel that we ought to allow the players to settle in and find their hitting stroke. I am sure that when the time is right Lou will make the decision that is best for the team. After all, that’s what they pay him for.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 14, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
The 2 year old/President thing is an awful analogy...
because I think our last 4 Presidents (including the current one) could have probably been replaced with 2 year olds and we may not have really known the difference.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 14, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
How many posts can we have in 24 hours
repeating the same things over and over.
About time for another bullpen sucks fanpost, it’s been a couple of hours.
I think that this could be the season
where we see Lee moved to the 5 or 6 spot. I think that this lineup would result in more runs:
1) Soriano
2) Fukudome
3) Bradley
4) Ramirez
5) Lee/Fontenot
6) Lee/Fontenot
7) Soto
8) Theriot
Yeahbutt...
…Bradley wouldn’t bat “S” against RHP. He would bat lefty, so you’d have two lefties in a row. Lou doesn’t want to do that.
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But having two LHB against RHP is an advantage and irrelavent
Its when the game gets into its later stages when situational LOOGY’s or ROOGY’s come in. With GB batting from both sides of the plate it still gives us at least one ab from the ‘correct’ side of the plate
Funny how loneliness sounds so good, until you hear the echoes of your soul burning a hole in your shirt. -DJM
Be that as it may...
…Lou has made his intention to balance the lineup by alternating lefties and righties pretty clear from the get-go.
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Right, that has been obvious
I just don’t see how having the potential of having two batters on the correct side facing a lefty and then if a righty comes in having the balance of a LHH?
Funny how loneliness sounds so good, until you hear the echoes of your soul burning a hole in your shirt. -DJM
is a bad thing
sorry trying to comment during class….sometimes incomplete ramblings come out
Funny how loneliness sounds so good, until you hear the echoes of your soul burning a hole in your shirt. -DJM
+1
I didn't get the players I wanted in the offseason!! Hopefully I get what I want in the Regular Season---The World Series Trophy!! Go Cubbies!!
LMAAO
laugh my agreeing a$$ off
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Who will be
The backup infielder? He had a nice hit today, and he’s made decent contact.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 13, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Micah Hoffpauir
Why not? Oh, right. He’ll be playing first base instead of Lee. hmmmm, it’s a conundrum…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Put Hoff at first and D-lee at second
I used to do this on an older baseball game i had with the NL all star team. Put D-lee at second and had Pujols play first
this is a joke.
Funny how loneliness sounds so good, until you hear the echoes of your soul burning a hole in your shirt. -DJM
No!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 14, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
sure
but THAT makes sense. :P
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
He had a nice double
He’s just in a slump. Chill. You act like nobody has ever been as bad as he’s been in 6 games.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 13, 2009 4:01 PM CDT reply actions
I'll take 20 homeruns
And an around 300 average from someone anyday. If last year was a down year, what was 07? They were very similar.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 13, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
down year in training
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
.322 average is down?
That’s better than his past 3 averages.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 13, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
i forgot to mention sarcasm
thought the idea of a down year in training was sarcastic enough to not need to be explained
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
yes, but those numbers shouldn't
be hitting in the 3 spot in this lineup.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Apr 13, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
2-for-2 since this fanpost
Anyone want to start a DFA Gregg fanpost?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 13, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions
New BCB rule
You can post whatever idiotic thing you want. But if you do not come back and either defend it or post “Whoops, was wrong about that one” within 15 posts, it gets yanked.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
And that's why I nominated you for the Fanpost Police
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 13, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said, you need to be on IA
Because I could easily turn into Vic Mackey.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Sure, but I commented there that I need to monitor you very closely
Because it could easily look like Illinois politics . . . you nominating me and all. No pay to play here!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 13, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
This post sucks.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Apr 13, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Not really
We all know he’s been struggling. It’s been discussed too. He souldn’t be demoted. It’s a SLUMP. Have some faith
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 13, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, it's quite a slump, then.
I mean, he’s been below average to pretty bad in every month starting with May 2008.
He had a nice game yesterday, but I think that expectations have been severely adjusted downward in Lee’s case.
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And repeatedly.
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by daver on Apr 14, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well...
four of the most worthless FanPosts ever in a row; who’s going to make it five?
Free Ronny Cedeno
Why not do it on purpose, just on principle?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 13, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
We've had a whole bunch of bad posts
its getting close to epidemic proportions.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
I'm thinking I may have something to say about all this tomorrow.
Soon as I thaw out and dry off.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
new meaning to brain freeze Al?
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
I look foward to you thoughts about this. It's really reaching the point
of absurdity. I’m all for free speech, but some responsibility comes along with that freedom. A little common sense please!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 13, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
i am not a big fan of a moderator having to approve new topics
but that might be needed for a short time to get everyone on one page
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
I'm not either, but a few recommendations would go a long way. I guess I better get my
“RIP – Marilyn Chambers” fanpost in before Al lowers the boom.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 13, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
too bad you cannot make
a minimum rec’d comment quota before able to post a FanShot or Fanpost.
so many “copied” topics makes this seem like MySpace from time to time, which is not fair to BCB
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
It's getting pretty bad. I've seen better self-control from 5-year-olds.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 13, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
and many 5 year olds could possible have better posts
that is even sadder
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Marilyn Chambers is dead?!
Her movies were the best scrambled Cinemax flicks when I was 13!
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Yep. Kicked the bucket today.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 13, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn
Bye Marilyn, you’ll always be remembered for helping me get through puberty.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Guys all over the world are flying 'em at half-mast today in her honor. It's
really sad to see the great ones go.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 13, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, Drooping Davers across the board.
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Bummer - I had no idea.
I count on you to bring me news like this, Willie. And you have not failed me.
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Maybe the idea someone sent in to SBN
a while back about being able to unrecommend a fan post. Then you could get rid of any posts that were X number below the recommended level. Or at least you would know before going in that the fanpost had a negative rating.
by LT on Apr 13, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Slashdot
has a rating system that lets you mark posts down, so that you can’t see them if your profile is configured in such a way as to block posts below -X.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah but why would you want to do this?
with out AWFUL posts, this site would lose some of its humor
Funny how loneliness sounds so good, until you hear the echoes of your soul burning a hole in your shirt. -DJM
well
I’m never in favor of censorship — this would allow Al to not have to moderate the site, because readers would be self-filtering their views of the cite.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
believe me, i agree with you
i just appreciate the occasional chuckle
Funny how loneliness sounds so good, until you hear the echoes of your soul burning a hole in your shirt. -DJM
then you, like me
would set our profiles to see everything. :D
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Yabbut
nobody understands Slashdot’s ratings system, including the people who implemented it. :P
I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
well
ok. But something like that.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll make
A Gregg post. Kidding.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 13, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, crap -- he made an out.
Bench him!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 13, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions
Post Fail
You’re the type of world class idiot that would agree with Bob Melvin and demote Justin Upton based on 9 fricken ABs at the start of the season. While you’re at it, why don’t you post something similarly stupid like waiving Milton Bradley because he’s got a BA even lower than DP Lee (who hasn’t hit into a GD DP yet). My God, he’s only got 1 hit in 17 ABs. He’s washed up, he’ll never be the hitter he once may have been. God, you’re a moron.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 13, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions
This is indicative....
….of how increasingly people are becoming so used to instant gratification that the idea of “wait and see” and “patience” have been forgotten. What do you do when water doesn’t boil within 2 minutes? Throw it out and start over?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Apr 13, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
add a pound of salt
Funny how loneliness sounds so good, until you hear the echoes of your soul burning a hole in your shirt. -DJM
Third Option
FanShot
FanPost
RandomStupidity
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Naysayers club meeting here
First Fukudome now DLee…..
used to call them
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
sorry
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Is...is that a naysayer?
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Hi, Kou!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 14, 2009 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand why so many people get ticked
by the mere discussion about moving somebody in the batting order. I like to think that one of the reasons we’re here is to have these kind of fan conversations but, unfortunately, some people get way too angry at those of us who don’t want to just cheerlead.
Lee had a decent game today but he hasn’t been putting up the stats of a #3 hitter for almost a year now. It’s not apostasy to speculate about moving him down in the order.
by bluekoolaide on Apr 13, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
we fear change.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 13, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
For one thing as a coach you establish a few things
You don’t adjust on a whim or an emotion like fanatics AKA Fans express themselves on one shallow plain of understanding.
Now Piniella is not going to adjust the lineup until April is done and possibly not until well into May. He made his decisions in spring training and is seeking to develop certain roles.
Soriano is the wild card, the immediate power initially off the bench in the game. He then is the BA turnover actually the clean up hitter for the bottom of the order.
Fukudome is then acting like a traditional lead off hitter as he is doing right now, OBP machine—-3 walks today and a hit.
Lee is actually the #2 type of hitter followed by Bradley a traditional #3 hitter hitting cleanup where Ramirez is the actual cleanup hitter batting 5th.
Now you got Fonte….he almost is a wild card again, with power coming up again (Soto) let us hope with another lead off type of hitter batting 8th.
I am unsure why people are moaning….Cubs have scored 38 runs in 7 games (5 +) runs per game while they have allowed 25 or just over 3, they are 5-2 and have won two series and if they can win Wednesday they will have their first sweep.
but moaners remain
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Apr 13, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
well said recd
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Absolutely
Thank God we have somebody like ivy walls to remind us of the limitations of we lesser mortals.
by bluekoolaide on Apr 13, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
i guess this is why
fans are not GMs and Mgrs
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
You really don't expect the facts to get in the way of a good rant, do you?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 13, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
rec'd!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
You are absolutely right
It is not apostasy
It is not sacrilege
It is not without merit
You know what else it isn’t
NEW!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Agreed
And, seeing how Lou has made it pretty clear that, unless there are special circumstances, he has no intention of moving Lee, I guess the whole discussionn becomes slightly pointless.
by bluekoolaide on Apr 13, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
So it's okay to spend all off season talking about a Peavy trade that never happened,
or who we could get if they were available even though they aren’t, or why Wood CAN’T be going anywhere because he’s too big a part of the organization, but if somebody voices their opinion about how they feel the team should be run during the season, you jump on him for being a ‘moron’ or an ‘idiot’ because it could ‘never happen’ and things will ‘always be (X)?’
Buh-DUH huh wha now? I fail to understand the thought process (or what passes for it) of some people on this site. IF IT WASN’T FOR THE LEDGE JUMPERS, WHAT WOULD THE REST OF US TALK ABOUT?
The mind reels at the prospect of having a board like Bizarro BCB some others, cold and empty, devoid of Mambochickens for BlueMike’s latest incarnation to pluck, no strings of parody posts standing in triumphant defiance of both the posters they lampoon and the angries who don’t want to read the same thing twice, no delicate balance between chaos and sterility kept by the fervent efforts of Al and the whims of the vox populi awaiting me each time I log in. Why would I come back? Many of the same posts that get put down play a part in allowing the good posts to percolate and distill in the minds of the users who write them. If you have no bad posts, how do you know which posts are good? Why would you be inclined to improve your own posting skills?
I left my clever sig line in my other pants.
We got tired of the Peavy posts, too
But at least that was, sometimes, y’know, new.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 14, 2009 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions
On the other hand...
If Al ever decides to change the name of this place, “Chaos and Sterility” is a good choice.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Shanghai BadgerI mean, I approve this post.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Get stuffed, shanghaimambochickenbadger!
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Pound stuffing!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 14, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Is that anything like pound cake?
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mmm cake
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Pancake?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 14, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Cupcake?
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Rice cake?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 14, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Meat Cake!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 14, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 14, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
BEEFCAKE! BEEFCAKE!!!
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Then I know one kitty who’s sleeping with Mommy tonight!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
sure I love cheesy poofs.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Felix?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 14, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
3-4 with a HR
yesterday.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Good for him
I hope he has a year that gives the Cubs food for thought.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 14, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
well I don't know where to begin...
and quite frankly it doesn’t deserve a response..
#34: You'll be missed!
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Demote is not a dutch last name. It is not spelled DeMote. It really makes you look even more ignorant when you make simple mistakes like this.
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hmmm
I guess everyone boiled over on this particular post, which seems too bad to me because I’ve been wondering why Aram and DLee were 5 and 3 instead of 3 and 5. So many people have been so quick to post answers that are, for purposes of discussing the Cubs, just as worthless as they say the original post is. Instead of having a discussion on meta-posting, we could actually be having discussions where we learn something.
Things related to the OP’s topic that I find interesting:
Last year:
Aram had a better OBP, SLG, ISO, less strikeouts, and a better bb/k rate.
DLee is faster and had a slightly better AVG.
What is it about the number 3 spot that makes DLee the better option?
Pro Aram: he’s obviously the better bat, putting him in the 3 spot will mean more ABs over the course of the season.
Pro DLee: The Game hits in the number 4 spot, with a super high OBP. Better to have DLee hit in front of that (avoiding the DPs) and better to have ARam hit after our best OBP guy because it will mean that each AB he does get has a chance of being more productive.
I am sure that BCBers can think of a whole host of other arguments for and against swapping Aram and DLee in the batting order. I am sure it would increase the breadth of my baseball knowledge, and frankly that’s why I come to BCB in the first place. If these are things that cannot be rationally discussed, then what can?
by Cubinator on Apr 14, 2009 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
DLee v. ARam
First, I think there’s definitely room for reasonable discussion on this topic. That said, I don’t think there’s been that much reasonable discussion had. One exception would be a series of posts by Jimmeatworld, who had a good one on the topic a couple days back that focused on the the relative health of Lee’s legs v. Rami’s.
The first thing I’d say is that I doubt Lee will still be the #3 hitter in August if he’s hitting .270/.350/.450 or below. That’s the big question here – what kind of hitter do you think Lee really is at this point in his career. You say that Aramis is obviously the better bat. Why is that obvious? Lee was the better bat in 2003, 2005, & 2007. Lee has tended to be a better OBP bat than Aramis, and you want the higher OBPs higher in the lineup making less outs.
Well, we know why some people believe that. The word “decline” has been used enough times that some people assume it is true without really looking at things. Lee’s had down years before – 2001 and 2004; both times he bounced back. Indeed, just like last year, that 2004 split broke poorly in the second half, making it easy for people to assume he was getting worse.
Derrek Lee may well be in decline; but I wouldn’t even draw that conclusion with certainty if he was still struggling a month from now; remember how Jim Edmonds’ 2008 went.
Derrek Lee is good.
I think
ARam is better less because of any decline of DLee and more because I think ARam finally put it all together last year.
DLee has bounced back, but in 2007 he also got very lucky with a very high babip (.364). The past 2 years his obp has been .361, .400. ARam’s: .380, .366. The difference is not as much as people think, especially if you take into account DLee’s abnormally high babip in 2007. But I do agree, DLee has a very slight edge in what one would expect in obp this year.
Over the past 2 years, DLee has a .609 bb/k ratio (142 bb, 233k). ARam has a .668 bb/k ratio (107 bb, 160k). Edge Aram.
OPS: DLee – .823, .913. ARam – .898, .915. Edge ARam
ISO: DLee – .172, .196. ARam – .229, .239. Big Edge ARam
So, ARam is almost as good as DLee in the things DLee does well and ARam has a lot more power. That is why I think ARam is better. That’s not really a knock against Lee. Lee has been my favorite cub for a long time and I’ll continue to wear his jersey when I’m watching a game.
Having said that, I’m still not sure I would swap places in the lineup. As IvyWalls said above, the lineup is kind of shifted back one position due to the presence of Soriano. Still though, I think there’s ample room for someone to argue that ARam is the better hitter and deserves to be in the 3 hole that is traditionally where the best hitter hits.
Fair enough -
There’s definitely room to argue Aram is better, and if I had to take bets on the two, of which would be better in ‘09, I’d bet on Aram. My initial response came to the claim that he’s “obviously the better bat.”
I think your last line is echoing another debate being had on the board – paraphrasing – the best hitter should bat 3rd and Aram is the best hitter; or the best reliever should close and Marmol is the best reliever.
In both cases, closer and 3-hole hitter, I ask if the tradition is a) really right in general? and b) right for the 2009 Cubs in particular?
Anyway, you make your case well, so thanks for that.
Derrek Lee is good.
Gotcha
Yeah I don’t know what to think about the 3-hitter controversy. Is the extra at-bats plus lineup protection the 3 hole offers greater than the extra rbi opportunities the 5 spot has? I know there’s been an argument that DLee might take it kind of hard if he went out of the 3rd spot. Philosophically, I’m against that because I think you design the lineup around your best players first (hence, why Sori bats leadoff).
One thing that’s kinda cool about ARam in the 5 and Sori at leadoff is that the two guys who are most likely to provide instant offense late in a game are never very far from getting to the plate.
Anyway, all what I’ve said is the long way of getting to: I’m happy with the way things are, but I’d be just as happy if Rami was hitting third.
D-Mote D-Lee
Was going to be the orignal title of my fan post. I decided that DeMote was better. Most of you obviously disagree…
Of course D-Lee place in the batting order isn’t going to ruin the season. Nor is it even a problem right now. I’m sure he’ll have a decent year and I’m also sure the Cubs will have a great year.
“DP” Lee is a good hitter…Although Aram is better.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
If you're this ambivalent about this topic...
…you really shouldn’t have spent the time – and wasted the space on the Fanpost bar – writing about it. How ‘bout we all enjoy the first month or so of the season and then step back and start making (still very preliminary) assessments about where each player may or may not stand, h’mkay?
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Because that makes too much sense. A rational person would say "This is
a baseball season. You don’t make knee jerk decisions based on feeling after one week of the season." For some reason there are those who want Lou to change the batting order just because they feel that A-Ram is a better hitter tha DLee. Has it occurred to any of you that maybe Lou has a reason for the current batting order? Maybe he is a rational person and realizes that you have to allow veteran players a chance to get going at the start of the season. Have you ever known a manager to make a major change in the batting order when the team is obviously playing pretty well? Lou is not stupid. He realizes that the batting order is not something you tinker with on a daily basis like a mad scientist, especially when the team is winning.
This is major league baseball. They play 162 games. Let the season unfold and allow Lou to get a feeling of how the lineup will be constructed. I have every faith that he will make the correct decisions. He’s the manager, he knows his team. Enough already.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 14, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
To add to that
There just might be some information that Lou and his coaches, Hendry, etc. have that we won’t be privvy to.
That doesn’t mean that they’re beyond reproach or criticism, but yeah, sometimes there are reasons for what they do.
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 14, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
actually there are a lot of reports
that breakdown every batter and every hitter that Brenley has mentioned more than once, that they have. These reports are even more detailed than anything we have I am sure.
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oh and
maybe it’s because Aram is a better hitter that he bats Rami AFTER Bradley who, even with only a few hits (1?) has an INSANE OBP — which means that Rami can knock him in more.
Things that make you go hmmmm…
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm.....
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by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 14, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Those reports you are speaking of...
I got those reports right here.
You know what they say?
They say Aram is a better hitter than “DP” Lee. They also say that Aram should be hitting 3rd and DLee hitting 5th.
Care to be a little more specific?
What “reports” are you looking at? Better yet, what numbers are you looking at? Specifically.
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you have
the reports that Lou and the batting coach read?
Really.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You are a piece of work...
Why don’t you get stuffed? drew… appropriate graphic handy?
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by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 14, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks drew...
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by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 14, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a Cub?
It looks like a mouse.
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Your silence speaks volumes.
Consider yourself DeMoted.
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DPLee
And one other thing. Derrek Lee’s current GDP count at this writing – 0. Maybe we can wait for him to get even 3 DPs before going back to the DPLee nickname.
Derrek Lee is good.
It's an unfair nickname...
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by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 14, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
So far in 2009 it's not warranted.
He’s hit a few weak grounders, but he’s also driven a few to the OF — and I really like the fact that he seems to be hitting to RF/RC again. That sac fly on Sunday was to deep RF and he had a good swing.
I’m more encouraged about Lee after 1 week than I was in September.
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 14, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 14, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
How's that D-motion looking now?
Like always, too many nervous nellies around here.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
This is a good example why you don't make
sweeping statements like “his days of being a #3 hitter on a perennial division winner are over” based on the results of the first week of the season. You can end up looking like a jackass in the second week.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 16, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions
This is two weeks in a row now.
First it was "I can tell Dome is worthless by his first two games, " and then Dome started hitting .400.
Then it was this fanpost.
Someone needs to make a “Geo’s So-So” fanpost to get him going.
Then I’ll do a fanpost singing Theriot’s praises to see if if works in reverse.
Derrek Lee is good.
How about a "The Cubs suck at baserunning" post?
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 16, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
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