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The Forgettable Fire: Cubs 4, Cardinals 7

The high point of today's game; Kosuke Fukudome gets high-fives from Alfonso Soriano after his three-run homer that put the Cubs briefly ahead 4-3. Fukudome's play is one of the pleasant surprises so far in 2009.

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The high point of today's game; Kosuke Fukudome gets high-fives from Alfonso Soriano after his three-run homer that put the Cubs briefly ahead 4-3. Fukudome's play is one of the pleasant surprises so far in 2009.

Milton Bradley got jobbed today on a couple of pitches, including the pitch on which he was called out on strikes with the bases loaded, and that, justifiably, set him off. Knowing he wasn't going to stay in the game, he had a few choice words (wouldn't you like to have heard them?) with plate umpire Larry Vanover (who is one of those annoying umpires who makes delayed calls), and got tossed.

That fired up the crowd, but Alfonso Soriano flied to left to end the threat in what was at the time a 4-4 tie, and the Cubs seemed to lose interest the rest of the day; they managed only one baserunner the rest of the game and the Cardinals smacked around three relief pitchers in the 7th and 8th innings, on their way to a 7-4 defeat of the Cubs in the first meeting of the year between the division rivals.

One thing is certain: if Cub starting pitchers don't start going deeper into games, the bullpen is going to be worn out by the end of April. Today, Lou yanked Sean Marshall after he allowed a leadoff single in the sixth. Marshall had thrown 93 pitches and probably could have finished the inning. Chris Duncan, who had singled, was promptly caught stealing after Aaron Heilman came in, but Heilman then allowed Khalil Greene to hit a long homer to tie the game (after Kosuke Fukudome had given the Cubs a 4-3 lead in the last of the fifth), and then the parade of bad relief pitching began.

In the nine games so far, the number of pitchers used in each game is: 5, 5, 4, 7, 5, 4, 4, 5 and 6. This simply cannot be allowed to continue; three relievers (Neal Cotts, Aaron Heilman and Angel Guzman) have already appeared in six games. Guzman, for his part, gave up the Cardinals' third homer of the game, to Brian Barden, and my friend Dave's comment was, "He doesn't have good command of his second and third pitches; he ought to just throw four-seam fastballs and live and die with them." Which is exactly right, I think; when Guzman is on with the fastball he throws 95-96 and ought to be able to throw an inning's worth of strikeouts nearly every time he comes out there.

But the bigger issue is: when are Cub starters going to start going seven innings? That was one of the best things about Ryan Dempster last year, consistently going deep into games. Part of it is, of course, Lou trusting his starters and not burning out his bullpen. It may be only nine games, but if the current pace keeps up, that's a real risk.

Two nice things that came out of this loss: another good offensive day from Fukudome, who had a double in addition to the homer. Yes, I am well aware he did this a year ago in April, too, but as long as he keeps up what he has been doing, the Cubs have a fine platoon CF. Fukudome also made a nice grab on a sinking Rick Ankiel line drive in the second inning. Also, Alfonso Soriano is having quality at-bats every day; he walked twice again today and has six for the season -- a good number for nine games. If he keeps laying off pitches he used to flail away at, teams will have to start throwing him hittable pitches or risk putting him on base.

Nevertheless, there are three more games in this series and the Cubs should have favorable pitching matchups in all of them.

Ballpark note: the no-smoking rules aren't being enforced in the bleachers. There aren't enough security people (and there ought to be more anyway) and not enough signs letting people know that there's no smoking anywhere in the ballpark. Just something the team ought to be aware of, as a courtesy to everyone.

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Milton Bradley should still be yelling at the ump

What a joke call. Kudos to Milton for giving him a piece of his mind.

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by nji232 on Apr 16, 2009 5:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If he gets the walk he should have...

… maybe the Cubs go on to have a big inning. We really got jobbed bigtime.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So true, if he walks then they have to throw strikes to Soriano....

…who knows how big of an inning that could have been.

Of course, this bullpen could have given that back they way they have been going.

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by JB 23 on Apr 16, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but...

… if the Cubs go into the 7th with a lead, Heilman probably stays in the game, to be followed by Marmol & Gregg.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that Milton hit for Heilman

not that it matters

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by nji232 on Apr 16, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, right.

Maybe Marmol starts the 7th if the Cubs have a big lead.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Horrible calls

It was 2 bad calls on ‘strike 1’ and ‘strike 3’. I think alot of times umpires don’t give the benefit of the doubt to batters who go up there and never swing. I’ve seen it happen too many times. It shouldn’t be this way but it just seems to come with the human element of umpiring. overall the Cubs should have at least had 5 runs. Whether the bullpen would have kept it at 5 is very questionable.

I don’t think the bullpen has been ‘overused’ they’ve all been asked to pitch a couple hitters there or an inning there but no one is being ridden to oblivian.

I think we just have a talent problem outside of Marmol. I think we will start to see some musical chairs happen if guys continue to stink it up but I’m not all that confident in the alternatives in Iowa.

Just reminds me how awesomely important Samardzija’s 6 good weeks were last season. That really took alot of pressure off of the bullpen at that time.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just able to see the pitch

that was no where near the strike zone. What a tremendously terrible call!!

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Apr 17, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed that our starters should pitch more innings

But our bullpen needs to get it together. Some of it may come from being over-used, but we were winning when Marshall was taken out, and our bullpen shouldn’t give up 4 runs. Also, maybe it’s time for Fontenot to get a day off. His bat has really cooled off the past few games. I hate to give Miles more at-bats, because his strikeout today was pretty ugly, but Fontenot may need a day off.

"The finish line is just the start of the next race."

by Sobenergy on Apr 16, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Today I had the fortune to

sit four rows behind home plate.

Without question, Milton Bradley got f’d by the mother-bleeping-completely-inconsistent-asswipe umpire, who was not throwing strikes the whole inning, and was “rewarded” for that.

I just heard DLEE interviewed by The Levine, and he stated he liked what Bradley did, and he got his money’s worth as he wasn’t going out to play the OF. I HATE it when the umps control the game like that.

However, before that, Soto looked just terrible sitting behind him and honestly, if he cannot figure out again how to: 1. lay off balls, and 2. hit a breaking ball, it will be a long season foe him.

David Patton, considering he was facing a potent lineup, did pretty well for his first frame at Wrigley – but he can only have so many Mulligans. You are so right, Al, about the pen.

Not good at all – it would be great to find better pitchers than Cotts and Guzman, who is done.

Three more games left to right the ship this series.

by The E-Man on Apr 16, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for typos

I am still enraged…

by The E-Man on Apr 16, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good to see Milton with the fire! Ump deserved it!

Considering the current mediocre state of the bullpen, I’d be worried to see what it looks like depleted!

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Apr 16, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’d hate to see this bullpen once they get tired. Yikes.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Apr 16, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al (or anyone else for that matter)

Is chewing tobacco allowed in the stands?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Apr 16, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't know.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why wouldn't it?

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Apr 16, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think that it is

unless the person is spitting on other people. Its kind of gross but most of those guys carry around cups that they spit into.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't know if Wrigley had a no tobacco product.

I didn’t want to piss anyone off or break the rules.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Apr 16, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's probably just "no smoking", but maybe you should call them to ask.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good morning from Okinawa, Japan

Looks like it was hard loss for you folks but hope Dome keep it up for upcoming games and Cubs get some run for consecutive win.

Good news is that my satellite sports channel, J-Sports, purchased back rights for showing MLB games then I can watch Cubs games from June!

by dragonsfanatic on Apr 16, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad you're back.

We learned a lot from you last year. Glad Dome is playing well — we need him to keep doing that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good to know you'll be able to watch the Cubs with us

we always benefit from your insights .. and your terrific photos!

Milton "Porcelain Doll" Bradley.

by Emelie on Apr 16, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice to have

you back this season.

by sue369 on Apr 16, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, welcome back!

And it IS good to see Fukudome-san hitting again.

Will look forward to your always-interesting comments!

"[I]f we get a Jumbotron, I can't pull the instant replay thing on all the rookies. Every time there's a good play, we're like, 'Oh, look at the replay,' and you get the rookies to look at the scoreboard." - Ryan Dempster, 2 January 2009

by CaughtInTheVines on Apr 16, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou's post game

He is annoyed by the team consistently missing opportunities to score runs. He brought up the bases loaded situation and made reference that the team needs to start cashing in on those.

Ya… 9 games in, sample size…. but the fact of the matter is that the Cubs have let a lot of run scoring opportunities go by the board and could have turned some of the Ls into Ws.

by dmlichte on Apr 16, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

Offense not quite hitting on all cylinders yet. Bradley is out and Soto and Fontenot are now slumping pretty hard. I think once everyone gets reasonably ‘settled in’ for the season we will see more clutch hitting. At least I’m hoping :)

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AGREE

That was the big problem today, not the missed strike calls, Geo striking out, runners on third with less than two outs and not getting them in, is killing this club.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Apr 16, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

clutch hitting is pretty much luck

especially on a team wide level. If the offense continues to hit well, then they will eventually hit just as well in the clutch.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on Apr 16, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Fontenot

is indeed coming back to earth, an pitchers have adjusted too. He ain’t DeRo – but when and if Bradley, Soto, and A-Ram start all jelling, we should see these RISP chances start cashing in.

But I have zero patience as a long-suffering Cub fan.

by The E-Man on Apr 16, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW - DOME

Awesome catch in CF today. This has flown “under the radar” in addition to his go-ahead HR.

by The E-Man on Apr 16, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Dome has been outstanding in the first 9 games. Keep up the good work.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is the Dome we know and love.

Milton "Porcelain Doll" Bradley.

by Emelie on Apr 16, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROBODOME!!!!!

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 16, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullpen has been a huge question mark outside of marmol and heilman today at least

Starters innings have been worrisome as well but I’m confident that they will turn it around, the bullpen? im not sure when you have guys like patton, vizcaino, and guzman coming into games

Lets Go Hawks!

by CubsBall2202 on Apr 16, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Guz may be gassed and Patton's still getting his feet wet

Vizcaino puzzles me. His outing yesterday was terrific, but he seemed to be all over the place today.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Apr 16, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vizcaino

I see Vizcaino getting called in more important spots just by process of elimination. I’m not sure he will succeed but its his turn to be tried next.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heilman

I thought Heilman would have a nice come back season and its very very early, but he hasn’t exactly looked any different so far than he did in his very bad season last year with the Mets.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

going to have to disagree. more groundballs, more K’s, greater command & confidence. he looks rejuvenated to me. that solo shot by green was aaron’s first Er this year. admittedly, the inherited runners ave been problematic; which is why i say he should be starting.

by brian custer on Apr 17, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure Dusty is the King of Double-Switches...

…but doesn’t Lou like to use them as well?

I was really surprised that Lou didn’t double-switch when Heilman came into the game. Hoffpauir had made the last out in the bottom of the 5th, and it just seemed (at least to me) a natural move would have been to put Heilman in the #4 slot and bring in Reed Johnson. Hoff would only get one more at bat and you’ve got Reed’s glove in there for four innings.

I couldn’t tell from my vantage point (Waveland Ave.) but did Hoff have any plays from the 6th inning on that perhaps Reed would have made better?

Also, speaking with perfect 20-20 hindsight here, that means Reed would have been up with the bases loaded instead of Bradley pinch-hitting. And I’m willing to bet Old Styles to doughnuts that somehow Reed would have gotten at least one run in. He probably would have leaned into one. Hey – whatever it takes…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Apr 16, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Johnson *is* willing to take one!

He gets hit a LOT, which is a tough way to get the job done, but still a way, as he demonstrated in that game last year when he HB’d the winning run home.

"[I]f we get a Jumbotron, I can't pull the instant replay thing on all the rookies. Every time there's a good play, we're like, 'Oh, look at the replay,' and you get the rookies to look at the scoreboard." - Ryan Dempster, 2 January 2009

by CaughtInTheVines on Apr 16, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou's love of the double-switch

May just be a lingering hangover from all the time he spent managing in the AL.

And Hoff missed a cut-off man which may have saved a run. I’m pretty sure Cliff makes that throw.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Apr 16, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And the Reply button is my friend.

Grr. Argh.

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Apr 16, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TOMORROWS ANOTHER DAY.....

Just wondering who will behind the plate…..Some bad calls see what happens at 1:20 on Friday….Yes dome has looked good……

by cubs north on Apr 16, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

behind the plate?

Do you mean umpire or catcher?

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing umpire, given what happened today.

To me, we can complain about a bad call or move on. These things happen. We caught a few breaks in Milwaukee that helped us, so let’s not blame the umps. We’ll get ’em tomorrow. They had a good pitcher going against our number 5.

Let’s hope the crazy schedule catches up with them tomorrow.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Apr 16, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

when i'm down in the dumps i think of this song

Here is a little song I wrote
You might want to sing it note for note
Don’t worry be happy
In every life we have some trouble
When you worry you make it double
Don’t worry, be happy……

by lexmarklover on Apr 16, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not bad...but I think of this song my grandmother taught me.

Be courteous, kind and forgiving,
Be gentle and peaceful each day,
Be warm and human and grateful,
And have a good thing to say.

Be thoughtful and trustful and childlike,
Be witty and happy and wise,
Be honest and love all your neighbors,
Be obsequious, purple, and clairvoyant.

Be pompous, obese, and eat cactus,
Be dull, and boring, and omnipresent,
Criticize things you don’t know about,
Be oblong and have your knees removed.

Be tasteless, rude, and offensive,
Live in a swamp and be three-dimensional,
Put a live chicken in your underwear,
Get all excited and go to a yawning festival.

"May the sun never set on American baseball." ~Harry Truman

by Goodie1969 on Apr 16, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't beat an old Steve Martin routine...

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Apr 16, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's one of my favorites:

When you’re down and out,
Lift up your head and shot —
“Screw it!”

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Apr 16, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*shout

sigh

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Apr 16, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What irony.

So far this season, I find myself hoping it’s Kosuke that comes to the plate with men on base.

"May the sun never set on American baseball." ~Harry Truman

by Goodie1969 on Apr 16, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I was really hoping that he would get a chance to hit with the bases loaded yesterday

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Apr 17, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thursday night quarterbacking

I am it will surprise no one that I think Lou was simply outmanaged today. First and foremost why was Marshall pulled ? He lets a guy on base in sixth ? Tony sticks with his guy who had first runners on 2nd and 3rd and no one out and then based loaded with two outs. The Cubs BP was blown out by throwing six innings yesterday. Patton had thrown two of those but he puts him in the 7th. With the bases loaded and needing a pinch hitter Lou does not go to the best available option, Johnson but to a guy struggling and injured.
Lest this sound like I am just looking back , I have witnesses including Al that I was freaking out and muttering this as it was happening not after things went wrong each time. I was pleasantly surprised on Sunday when Lou kept in Dempster who was on fumes but today he pulled Marshall early with no rested reliever other than the set up guy and closer.
Tomorrow I hope Z can go long

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 16, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent points Jessica...

I want to say LaRussa is the 2nd best manager in the game, behind only Cox.
I find myself almost immune to this season…somehow I expect the Cardinals to win the division. I know it’s only nine games into the season, but it’s just a feeling. By the way, does anybody else feel less excited this season because you painfully know that another 0-3 is coming in October?
I hate to sound negative, it’s just the way I’ve been feeling since last October. Fire away at me :)

by cubfanwill on Apr 16, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan is brilliant

but with out Tony’s faith in him and his pitchers it would not work and if that were not enough Duncan adds his evil spawn
to the line up to kill the Cubs .

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 16, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals

On paper the Cardinals don’t scare me, they have bullpen issues like we do and they don’t even have a Marmol or Gregg type pitchers. They are on a hot streak right now and we are playing ‘so so’. I wouldn’t judge this particular series or the way the teams are playing now on how its going to be all year.

As for ‘dreading’ October. No. I’m a glutten for punishment if they are eligible to play games in October I want to see them no matter what the outcome is. Sure it might hurt but can it really get any worse than the last 2 years? Surely they can at least win 1 game this year? :)

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My opinion is that LaRussa

is the best – his last 10 years speak for themselves. In our big market, the Cubs – McFail and post McFail, have not been nearly as consistently above .500 (nor a WS winner).

He just gets the best out of his players, and is really on-top of the strategy game like no-one else.

I am envious, and it pisses me off greatly – but sadly it is reality.

The Cubs have yet to find themselves and I detect no “swagger” – yet. Still 152 games left, though!

by The E-Man on Apr 16, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes I agree

Larussa is good and he keeps the Cardinals in it for the long run, but he has basically the same team as last year and they weren’t able to keep it going over a full season.

Once they are able to reload with some real talent there they will be more scary than they are now, at least to me.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may get the best out of his players

But he is one of the worst strategists in the game by far.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No matter what

I will always take a 0-3 playoff run over the Cubs sitting home for the post-season. It hurts, it’s frustrating, but there is no chance of winning it all if we don’t at least make it to the first step.

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 16, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way, does anybody else feel less excited this season because you painfully know that another 0-3 is coming in October?

Ah… hell, no.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 16, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am (unfortunately) finding myself more excited

Pat and Ron have said in games during the series in Milwaukee during yesterday’s game that the feel around the game is that it is much later in the season. I agree. These don’t feel like early April games to me. I find myself glued to every pitch.

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Apr 17, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we go ahead

And move Hoff down in the order? He clearly isn’t a #4 hitter.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Apr 16, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

At least Hoff outplayed Duncan in the battle of the DH’s in the field. But Duncan out hit him.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Worf was being sarcastic...

… playing off all the “move D-Lee down” posts we’ve had.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why we need parody posts

To get people used to sarcasm

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Apr 17, 2009 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, but only up to a point.

Overdoing it was getting a little ridiculous.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 16, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big time

Take a deep breathe cubbies, the cards will stumble. Its only the first round of twelve. The Cubs only problem is getting the bull pen straightened out, some on the roster-don’t belong on this team. If you have an allstar lineup with a medicore bullpen=average team, maybe wildcard or not. Just about now, I bet mangement is scratching their heads on letting WOODS, and DEROSA go, now they have to find another Woods and Derosa-why, why, why, when you had them!

1984, 1988,2003,2008

by blue vader on Apr 16, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Woods'

Well first of all its Kerry Wood and even if he was the closer that isn’t going to help the middle relief. As for Derosa, Fontenot is ice cold right now but he’s still hitting about a hundred points higher than Derosa and is about 6 years younger.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

Derosa went 1 for 4 and Fontenot 0 for 4 so Derosa is at .179 while Fontenot is at .226 so technically 47 points right now :)

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow - we had Tiger Woods and let him go? ;-)

Man, can you imagine the stare-downs in the locker room last year between Theodore and Eldrick? I gotta put my money on TRL unless Tiger had a caddy in the locker room to help read the situation…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Apr 16, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he was talking about this "Woods"

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster, Reed

and LBR are at the Blackhawks game tonight. They just showed them. Hope Demp isn’t out too late tonight.

by sue369 on Apr 16, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

He’s not pitching till Saturday. Z goes tomorrow.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think Sue is afraid

of Dempster meeting a dumpster.

Apparently that ends badly.

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 16, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

Ok detectives, find a closer. We had one in woods and marmol and jeff S. would of been a nice complement along with a free agent down the road. Oh by the way, refer to the stats at the end of the season on fontenot and derosa, I think Derosa would of made a sound play up in Miller park on that game ending play at home plate-remember, or perhaps Woods would of saved the game…….

1984, 1988,2003,2008

by blue vader on Apr 16, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's try this again.

It’s Kerry WOOD. WOOD. WOOD. Not “WOODS”.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 16, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Careful, Al.

“WOOD WOOD WOOD” could be mistaken for… something else…

Something… on the wing….

by znohitter on Apr 16, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope Jeff S. does eventually come back, it seems right now he can’t throw a strike, which is one of the main problems with our bullpen in general. As for the ‘free agent down the road’ don’t you think if there was a great free agent avaiable the Cubs would have tried to get him?

DeRosa vs Fontenot will be a fight to the finish. I wouldn’t rule out Might Mike though.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

first off

the “game ending play at home plate” in Mil went to SS… not second base

And its KERRY WOOD. Not Woods.

And use the reply button.

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 16, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But rarely SS

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 16, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the play you're using for the basis

of your example of how much better off we were with DeRosa went to SS.

They’re gone. They aren’t coming back this year. Figure out how to make the team work without Woody and DeRo.

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 16, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Derosa

plays second base. The game ending play of which you speak was made by Theriot at shortstop. Even if Derosa was still on the team, he would not have had a chance on that ball.

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Apr 17, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bull pen

If I had a beer for every change of pitcher that Lou brings in, at the end of the season I will check my self into triple A not AA. Did you actually think that this Greg guy was going to cut it, c’mon man> Marmol cant pitch everynight. I personally would of traded D. lee and WOOD for a closer, ever since his broker wrist he has not been the same.

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by blue vader on Apr 16, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, one more time

It’s GREGG.

Hard to take your arguments seriously when you can’t spell most of the players’ names.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 16, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have the misfortune

of living in Cardinals territory, and I therefore had to watch the St. Louis telecast (which was horrible, by the way; the announcers glossed over Albert’s two errors like they were nothing). When Aaron Miles got to the 0-2 count, they started to talk about how he is so hard to strike out, and never chased bad pitches- a talent from his Cardinal days. Then, he flailed at the pitch so horribly, and the announcers just clammed up. It was like they wanted to say, “Are you sure he isn’t still on OUR payroll?” I never like the Miles signing, and I really hope this is the last time I’ll regret it- but I won’t hold my breath.

By the way, first time poster. Good to have some real baseball fans to talk to! :)

by Pat19 on Apr 16, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Albert was fine

Duncan had the errors.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 16, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pujols

I think he made one error and then dropped a double play ball, not his usual good self in the field in this game.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert did have one error...

and my memory served me incorrectly on the other, because you can’t assume the double play. Regardless, my point was that it is really hard to listen to the Cardinals’ broadcast. I think local announcers should certainly be homers, but they just take it to the max.

by Pat19 on Apr 16, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullpen Solution

Harden for closer – good heater and changeup, can air it out and K the side like when Wood was moved to closer. Then move Marshall up to the #4 spot in the rotation and put Heilman or Samardzija in the #5 spot (at least until we deal for Peavy or Halladay).

by CaliCub on Apr 16, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Harden

Harden has had major injury problems throughout his career. I don’t know if a sudden change of job description would help that. In a video game though it might not be a bad solution and I might even consider Guzman as the #5 starter. Most teams #5 starters really aren’t very good at all. We’ve been spoiled lately.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just thinking about Wood (no 's' on the end)

and how he was able to prolong his career by moving to closer where he could give it his all in the 9th.

John Smoltz is another guy that came to mind.

by CaliCub on Apr 16, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

My sarcasm detector is broken tonight, I think thats twice lol

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guzman isn't a starter anymore

He can’t stay healthy.

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 16, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well yeah

But at this point in his career its ‘do or die’ for his days in a Cubs uniform unless he gets injured, might as well give him 4 starts and more innings to see if he has anything rather than probably the 3 or 4 more relief appearances he has left until his time is up and has to go on waivers.

by jeff_pico on Apr 16, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he's not getting outs out of the pen

why would he do so much better at a job he’s no ready to do?

He’d have to be stretched out to become a starter, which he can’t do because he has no options left.

And unless Harden is hurt again, I don’t see the point in figuring out who could take his space in the rotation.

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 16, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just doing some unconventional thinking is all

Sort of like good ol’ Billy Martin picking the batting order out of a hat when the A’s were slumping.

by CaliCub on Apr 16, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get that

I just don’t think Gooze would the answer if/when Harden goes down.

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 16, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the bad calls on bradley don't solve Al's point about the pitching

Sure we might have won the game but this pitching staff is going to break down early. many of us had these concerns when Harden was acquired – another great pitcher who rarely goes more than 6 innings. Zambrano, with his arm cramping and other issues, is more or less a 6 inning pitcher and Dempster/Lilly can go deeper but so far have not.

The Cubs play ALOT of close games. This works fine if they have SP go deep and a strong back end. Right now we have neither.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Apr 16, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Going back to Cali

I like your thoughts calicub. Then maybe we can get rid of Cregg, Gregg, Greg, Craig…..maybe I should’nt remember how to spell a name which won’t be with us for long. Maybe GRossman is available.

1984, 1988,2003,2008

by blue vader on Apr 16, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

New people are funny....

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Apr 16, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If by funny

you mean “stab me in the eye with your grammar” then yeah. FUNNY.

Sheesh. Sentences people. They’re called sentences. They’re fun!

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 16, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My grammar can beat up your grammar

And Grandpa has the black eye to prove it!

by CaliCub on Apr 16, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not everyone

can be a Rhodes Scholar like you. Good grief, give the guy a break. He is a Cub fan after all.

by qccub on Apr 17, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

200 comments of snarky things

and you pick this?

Goodness. And thanks for using sentences. So easy to read!

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 17, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Shark is going to have to come up, and go back in the bullpen...

Iowa will just have to do without him as a starter. The sooner he’s back with the big club, the better…

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 16, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just readin through, but really?

With only 1 lefty in the pen (and Cotts is not showing well so far), the team may be better with Shark as the #5 and get Marshall back into the pen.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Apr 16, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that could end up

robbing Peter to pay Paul. SOMEONE’s going to have to start for the Cubs in 2010, and 2011, and 2012…

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 16, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed drew...

You know my motto though, (borrowed from Goodie), Chicago Cubs 2009: Next Year Is Not An Option.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 17, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you -always- have to consider next year.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 17, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So... ledgejumpers

Apparently, after Hoffpauir has a bad day, and you can’t yell for Lee to get benched, demoted, or murdered…

You won’t admit that you may, have even in the slightest been wrong?

Even though after every bad D-Lee at bat, I had to read about how he was the worst player ever.

Sigh

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? - Jim Bouton

by Beaushek on Apr 16, 2009 10:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bradley stood there looked at 6 pitches and got tossed.

Ball or not, you can’t take a pitch that close with 1 out and the bases loaded. Sorry, I’m not buying this crap that we got screwed. I saw it live and it was borderline but it was close enough, swing the damn bat!! Soto was totally inept in his AB right before that also. That inning killed the Cubs. If Soto isn’t ready, sit him down! Wainwright was throwing nothing but junk, nothing over 92 mph and rarely a strike. Lee was back to his old self, taking strikes and swinging at crap, other than his sac fly, he was terrible. Hoffpauir was terrible in his ABs. If Bradley can’t play just please put Reed Johnson on the g’damn field!!! Fukudome was the hitting star along with Aramis, who didn’t get many RBI chances due to our totally inept 3 and 4 hitters. Finally, Neal Cotts totally blows and should be released, period. He can’t get any lefties out and does absolutely NOTHING.

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Apr 16, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree...

“I saw it live and it was borderline…”

two of the “strikes” were not even close to “borderline”…

Sorry man, unless you were closer than I was, in Row 4, directly behind home plate, your perspective was not what mine was. When the pitch is not a strike it SHOULD NOT matter if the batter does not swing. That is an absurd argument. When Pujols walked, he didn’t swing at bad pitches, did he? It’s ok for him, though right? When the Cubs got four free passes in a row in Milwaukee, they should have swung at crap, right?!

Bullshit. There are supposed to be standards, and the ump made horrible judgement calls that he did not make the same for the other team.

by The E-Man on Apr 16, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those weren't bad pitches that Bradley took

They were borderline, which means they could go either way – get it? The ump called them strikes. You can’t take those when they’re that close, they weren’t crap!! Bullshit to you, stop crying over umps calls – that’s loser talk!!

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Apr 16, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bob and Len said they were BS calls. Pat and Ron said they were BS calls.

I’m inclined to believe they were BS calls.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 17, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Ron says it's BS, maybe it's BS

But when Pat says it was BS, then it’s a BS call

by dr stabbingworth on Apr 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you saw the pitches better

from row four than the umpire who was standing right behind the catcher? They may not have been strikes but you should be protecting with two strikes. The ump behind the plate didn’t lose this game for the Cubs; lack of clutch hitting and crappy work out of the bullpen did.

by qccub on Apr 17, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soto's had TEN at bats all season

So you’d rather put Hill behind the plate? For how long?

But this is the same thing as how the Cubs should send Dome to triple AAA and have Micah start @ first.

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 16, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

triple AAA?

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on Apr 17, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah don't the Cards have both a triple A and triple AAA teams? LOL

or maybe it was just a typo on my part

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 17, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is a wacky solution. . .

What if the Cubs were to sign Pedro Martinez, send him to Iowa for a month or so to get ML ready and then make him the fifth starter? It would alleviate the BP problem with Marshall freed up once Martinez is ready.

by Seattle Cubs Fan on Apr 16, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I say, Do it!!

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Apr 16, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be great

except that Pedro is reportedly unwilling to accept under 5 million for the year, and no one is willing to take that risk with his injury history. I agree, though, that this is an intriguing (if unrealistic) way to improve the team.

by Pat19 on Apr 16, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking about this myself.

At a certain point, Pedro is going to have to accept less than that, because his other choice appears to be staying home for the summer.

It might not be such a bad idea.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know this is even more of a stretch

but what if we could convince him to sign and try his luck as a late inning reliever? I don’t think there is any question he has the mentality to handle the pressure, and he might be able to extend his career by pitching out of the pen. Plus, he has power stuff.

by Pat19 on Apr 17, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's an intriguing idea.

The longer Pedro stays home, the more likely he’d be to accept something offbeat like this.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAWKS WIN!!

Havlat Extra Time Goal!!

Gotta love playoff hockey in Chicago again!

New sig currently under construction

by JB 23 on Apr 16, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was sweet, wasn't it?

12 seconds!!

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Apr 16, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome......that place was rockin!

New sig currently under construction

by JB 23 on Apr 16, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the last 5 innings

while doing homework, that’s why I wasn’t on the blog today. I watched the Cards do the same to the D Backs yesterday, they made the most of their opportunities. We get guys on 2nd and 3rd or laoded and no one can hit the damn ball out of the infield. They get a guy ob first, they go first and third with RBI’s back to back with ease.

ALL of our pitchers are walking to many people and the bullpen hasn’t shown consistency in shutting down the other team.

We had a 1-2-3 bottom of the 9th, with their closer throwing, what, 10 pitches?

Yes, only 9 games in the books, but we haven’t looked good at home yet. I thought after Dome put us up, we were going to roll. Then the BP came in and our bats went silent.

Gotta get’em tomorrow!

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Apr 16, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

to add insult to injury

I found out today that the coaches for my son’s little league are also expected to wear team hats.

I was given a Brewer hat today. I TOTALLY need to find some cubbie underoos.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 16, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Without a doubt my fellow, without a doubt...

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 16, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 17, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a few thoughts

1. I am glad dome is htting.. he is one of the only ones… We are really not hitting which scares me….
2. The bullpen i have lost all faith in except for one person. I have no faith in anyone but marmol. Lat year i had faith in two people.
3. good for bradley
4. I cant stress how pissed off i am at the bullpen. these walks need to subside. thy need to. I feel like if we arent areful this could be 2004. but at the same time i think the nl east will beat each other up so much that us and the cards can both make it.
5. last point is i will smoke anywhere in wrigley. just magine if they said u could only go into wrigley if you didnt drink…. drunk drivers and others influenced kill a lot more than smokers do. THere is a bunch of PC nonsense that says tobacco is worse than alcohol…. Until they get rid of boze in the bleachers i will light one up every time.

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 10:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and you will be ejected

as you should be. Smoking is NOT like drinking. You can drink in public without effecting other folks. If you get drunk etc that is one
thing but your having a couple of beers next to me is NOT a threat to my health , smoking IS. Al and many of us who sit in the bleachers are very sensitive to smoke and people light up on the area directly behind where we sit. Now if the Cubs can find some little corner downstairs where folks can light up without the smoke wafting at me ,than they are free to kill themselves but you can NOT smoke in the seating area. I hate to get personal but I hope you don’t have any children as the effects of your smoking around them can be devastating.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 16, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a couple of beers?

Ask Nick Adenhart how that turned out?

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch.

That’s both offensive and illogical, as driving a car in the bleachers of Wrigley is quite absurd.

by Pat19 on Apr 16, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I didn't,

but I’m really only referring to smoking and drinking in Wrigley Field, because that is what you posted about. Yes, I consider someone smoking next to me worse than someone drinking next to me. I won’t compare drunk drivers to smokers- that is too far. However, you were the first one to bring drunk driving into the conversation.

by Pat19 on Apr 16, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd let it go

In my experience people who are that Pro-smoking are often like people views on religion or politics. (notice I’m not saying people who are pro-smoking… I’m saying people who are THAT pro-smoking)

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 16, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO

people that are a little bit anti smoking are the crazy zealots. notice how smokers dont pass rules allowing people to smoke in every persons house…

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again it's like politics and religion

b/c if I’m lil bit anti smoking….. I’m a crazy zeolot. Where you who are VERY pro smoking…. isn’t one.

That’s logical.

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 16, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

i live and let be… u live and ban.. u are th zealot. i believe in individual rights.

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is your Yo key broken?

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 16, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You believe in individual rights

But not the rights of the individuals around you? That’s nothing but hypocritical.

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 16, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

u support a drunk driving culture because i guarantee the people would vote to make the legal limit over .08

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is what you just said

even relevant? Chitown is right, you are saying that you should have the individual right to smoke when and where you want, but those around you should not have the individual right to breath clean air and the right to choose whether or not they want to harm their own health. That makes you a hypocrite.

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Apr 17, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Typical of smokers

who try to rationalize their pathetic addiction as some kind of statement about personal freedom.

Of course, as noted, the rights of those subjected to the smokers’ poison never seem to be of quite the same importance.

It’s this kind of selfish, clueless attitude that has caused smokers to become the social pariah’s they deserve to be.

by bluekoolaide on Apr 17, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All addictions are pathetic in some way or another...

Some more so than others. Nicotine addiction is far down on the list BK. Heroin and speed addiction is far more pathetic, it’s common sense.

If I don’t smoke indoors, or around others who don’t smoke, and don’t throw my butts everywhere; well I’m only poisoning myself.

Smokers who are courteous do not deserve to be social pariahs any more than imbibers who do so with a sense of reservation. I’m not doing anything illegal, I’m not subjecting others to my stinky smoke, and I’m not littering. I know, I know, not all smokers are like me… but to say that all smokers are selfish, clueless, and deserve to be marginalized is just not right.

I’m just saying.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 17, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The final note on this is...

… there is a state law prohibiting smoking at Wrigley Field. That’s the bottom line. The law is being enforced by the Cubs. So, in fact, if you smoke in the ballpark, you ARE breaking the law.

There are “No smoking” signs on the back fence in the bleachers. People stand RIGHT NEXT to them and light up. Is that being courteous? I think not.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't smoke where it is prohibited Al.

I am being courteous. Don’t lump me in with someone like fischigod, who blows smoke in people’s faces. I am courteous, I know the law, and I know people are affected by my habit. Thank you.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 17, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't trying to lump you in.

Just trying to lay out the facts.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The man who killed Adenhart was 3 times the legal limit

driving on a suspended licence and he committed murder. Also I did not say drunks are Ok in the bleachers. Drunks are
REGULARLY ejected in the bleachers, a few dozen a day. I do think people can in fact drink moderately at the game and be fine, however when you smoke near me you are DIRECTLY effecting my health and it is against the rules so if you want to smoke do not go to the game.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 16, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have asthma, emphysema, allergies?

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 16, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No but I am very sensitive to smoke

and there were very young children in our section the last 3 days. Like I said I think it would be fine if the Cubs could find some isolated spot ( they sort of had one last year) where smokers could go without bothering anyone but when folks light up in front of no smoking sign and keep on after they are asked not to , I lose my patience.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 16, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not it is not Ok and I never said it was

but you seem pretty good at ignoring what I tell you happens at Wrigley. Drunks ARE ejected at a pretty good clip
I imagine they don’t get all of them but they sure do throw them out.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 16, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

see doggie stalker

your problem you are trying to apply logic to this discussion LOL

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 16, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just noticed your sig Maddie...

Classic!

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 16, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

came from the fanshot about RJ's catch

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 17, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, with the new IL smoking law...

That’s not going to happen. I agree with not smoking around children, those who are ultra sensitive to smoke, etc. I also must point out that are more carcinogens in the air we breathe the moment we step outdoors than there are in one cigarette. You must have had smoke blown directly toward you, (i.e.: sat right next to a smoker). I’ve no idea of your age Jessica, but I remember when everybody smoked everywhere. It strikes me as odd that second hand smoke stats. didn’t really appear on the scene until the late 70s, early 80s. Most of the stats. are trumped up lies. Things like x amount of people die from second hand smoke every 10 minutes, etc. How do you quantify that, really it’s crazy math, and no one is telling us the truth. All of it is a ploy to get people to do what others either want them to do, or don’t want them to do. I’m a courteous smoker, but I am no pawn.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 16, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

when somone coughs at me i will blow in their face

and i am a courteous smoker i cnast stand smoke nazis

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you keep using this word "courteous"...

I don’t think it means what you think it does.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 17, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

a courteous smoker does not blow smoke in someone’s face

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Apr 17, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy

We don’t have to agree on health risks.

But you get kudos from me b/c you sound like you are truely courteous :)

This is all I ask for.

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 16, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks babe.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 17, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just so you know

There is no way someone could blow a .9 b/c they would be dead

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Apr 17, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that's how you feel about smoking... (I'm a fellow smoker btw).

You would hate California. Everybody gives me the stink eye when I light up, (and I light up in the most out of the way places). Kids make coughing noises when I walk by in the street, and actually say, “You shouldn’t smoke”, all the while continuing with the fake, mimicry coughing. To top it off: anti-smoking commercials back home in the midwest say things like, “don’t smoke it’s bad for you”, out here they don’t mince words; they say, “You smoke? You’re a bad person, and you are going to die.” It’s really out of hand. I’m the most courteous smoker you can find, I never flick a butt, I smoke away from everyone, I don’t smoke unless I’m around other smokers… Any way you slice it though, I’m the bad guy. I’m only hurting myself, I’m not plowing into, and killing three people at an intersection in Fullerton. People need to get a grip.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 16, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only people u can discriminate against left

are smokers and southerners it is disgusting to me. I will smoke wherever. until they get rid of booz which kills people daily i will rebel. and if i hav to put out my cig i will start dipping and spit dip spit all over the person who complained. and i was born and riased in evanston

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't realize that southern people were also discriminated against

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 16, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wisconsin

I have friends who live up here and grew up down south. But again… a discussion I obviously won’t win b/c you are sure that you are right.

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 16, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly....

i grew up on the north shore…

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that

“You’ll rebel”
As opposed to “I’m addicted”

I don’t believe that smokers are bad people. But I also don’t understand why someone who is addicted to something that has long term negetive health effects gleefully chooses to ignore those risks. That goes for smoking, chewing, and alcohol abuse.
I guess that’s the joy of addication

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 17, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen, if you wanna break the rules, fine...

But don’t stand on your pedestal and condemn others for following “PC nonsense” when you’re just following your addiction.

To be completely honest, we can all admit that the government does AS MUCH as they can to protect both alchohol and cigarettes because of the massive tax benefits. The governments bias is not why these rules were passed.

It isn’t political correctness to like alchohol in public more than tobacco. It’s public common sense. One can make you loud, boisterous and CAN lead to terrible decisions. The other can make you and others smell terrible, create smoke which genuinely isn’t pleasant, and is proven to damage your life 100 % if regularly around it.

So, let’s look at this from two seperate ways.

If everyone in Wrigley drinks every day for a whole season, bad things CAN happen (fights maybe even deaths). If everyone in Wrigley smokes every day for a whole season, bad things WILL happen (life expectancy down, period, try and argue with science if you want, but life expectancy is the complete scientific consensus).

The other way to look at it. Do people stop going to Wrigley because they can’t smoke. Obviously not, it’s still selling out every game. Now take away drinking and see what happens. It wouldn’t be a massive loss in revenue, but you’d definitely lose some ticket sales. And that number would be even larger in places like Miller Park where tailgating is part of the atmosphere.

I’m sorry that you smoke, and they’ve gotten rid of it, but when you do get yelled at, ticketed or kicked out for smoking in Wrigley, please don’t be mad at people. Be mad at science and numbers.

Lastly, yet again, most people in Wrigley do drink, and when someone drinks TOO much or causes problems, they’re thrown out and often arrested. Being drunk in public is a crime, and people are being punished for it. How many people get punished for smoking at Wrigley? 0? Man, it must be so hard for you to continuously yell at people who are punished for their vices, while you get to “blow smoke in people’s faces”. When I pour a beer on ya, we’ll be even then, right?

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? - Jim Bouton

by Beaushek on Apr 17, 2009 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

WOW...

as a one time 3-pack-a-day smoker (down to 10-15 cigs a day now, thankfully), I have never felt compelled to thumb my nose at non-smoking laws except in bars. That many states make it illegal for me to light up in a business whose only customers are 21 or over, and make it illegal for the owners of said businesses to choose whether or not to allow smoking, is… kinda fascist. Think what you will of me, but I have a hard time drinking and not smoking.

Having said that, I agree with most smoking bans because there is an overwhelming body of evidence that those little cylinders of tasty do, in fact, kill everybody with enough exposure. If I were (god forbid) a parent, not only would I stop smoking, but I’d be jumping down the throats of people who try to sneak smokes in places they’re not supposed to (except bars). Wrigley is no smoking; if you light up there, I hope you get caught and removed from the ballpark. My solution is to carry around nicotine gum or a can of nasal snuff when I know I’m not going to be able to smoke for a while.

(If you really wanna talk about a ban that makes no sense, there’s this green leafy substance… but methinks I have danced on the politics line long enough.)

by znohitter on Apr 17, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

here's the thing

1) It’s against the rules, and it’s awfully disrespectful of you to break the rules like that.
2) Someone drinking a beer next to me won’t induce an asthma attack that sends me to the hospital.

A little consideration for people around you is a wonderful thing.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 17, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW i need to quote this for the post of the year

“You can drink in public without effecting other folks. If you get drunk etc that is one
thing but your having a couple of beers next to me is NOT a threat to my health ’

so one cigarete is worse than 8 beers.. Wow and i thought our bullpen was the biggest worry

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"A couple" = two beers not 8

Like I said drunks who bother anyone ARE removed and yes ONE cigarete smoked next to me is more of a problem for my health than
drunks slurring their words and falling down around me. This is nothing to do with drunk driving etc, but with my ability to watch a game without having to breath in smoke that is both dangerous and makes me sick.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 16, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if a drunk is slurring their words than that is not two beers that is worse

a lot worse…… than one cigarette. one cigarette next to u is nothing…

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How bout reading what I write ?

I said that drinking a couple of beers ( 2) is not a problem. Drunks ARE a problem and they are regularly and correctly thrown out. However as a matter of FACT, someone smoking ONE cigarette next to me IS in fact more dangerous to my health than a slurring drunk.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 16, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

I am going to end with i like this site but there are some consistently stupid things voiced. ONE CIGARETTE IS FAR MORE DANGEROUS TO MY HEALTH? No it isnt. Unless your a pregnant dude there is nothing wrong. And unless you wear skin tight pants and are under twenty four i am sure you have had plenty of smoke blown in your face. You defend drinkers which efect the innocent (Nick Adenhart) but criminalie the smokers. I will happily blow smoke at wrigley in whatever seat and i normall sit in the 100s….

Dont Tread on Me!!

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're a pip.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 17, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree with your stance...

However, cigarettes are more dangerous to you, personally, than a slurring drunk seated next to you. Logically, you are inhaling the smoke, you are constricting your airway, you are depleting your lung capacity. Trust me, I know. I have mild emphysema. You may be fortunate and never have a predisposition to copd(s). You may be able to smoke a pack or two a day for the rest of your life… Me, I will eventually die of emphysema, unless a truck runs me over first. I’ll take the truck, copd(s) left unmanaged make for a terrible death; you basically suffocate to death.

Don’t kid yourself though, you can’t breathe the same, and you know it…

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 17, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hee is my stance though

i would rather everyone in wrigley smoke then drink.. just think about the consequenses of alcohol vs. the consequenses of smoking… DUIS death and others. …

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 17, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, don't tread on me, it's american as all get out, and I'm there with ya.

However, your logic is off… Not everyone who drinks at a game drives home, or is a drinker to excess. If everyone lit up in Wrigley, well… firstly it would smell like shit, and second it would have the same affect as a four alarm fire- that amount of smoke inhaled will kill you with a quickness. I am not going to tell you what to do, I believe in liberty, but I will point out your faulty logic, and not feel the least bit chagrined.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 17, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't be seeing you in the 100s

I can’t afford that but please stop lying about what I have said. I am NOT comparing smokers to drunk drivers or defending them. I am saying that I am entitled to sit at a game without having smoke blown at me, which is against both
the law and rules of Wrigley. You may not think it effects my health and that scientists etc just make it up,l really don’t care it bothers me greatly. I have always made an effort to stay away from smoke and have been mostly successful. I have changed offices, moved seats, left parties etc to avoid the stuff. Obviously the laws have been working on my side of late but that was not always the case and got nautious several times before the smoking ban in restaurants. If you feel it is your "right " to break the law don’t be surprised or upset if you get ejected from a game or warned to stop smoking.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 17, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a fact.

Whether the BAC law was higher or lower, SOME drinkers would still drink and drive- you have to know that is true.

by Pat19 on Apr 17, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no fact if you couldnt buy your way out of duis then people woldnt drive it

FACT Booze is much wors than cigarettes..

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 17, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You logic is still faulty

Drinking does not automatically lead to death for the drinker or those around the drinker, nor does drinking automatically lead to hazardous health affects of the drinker or those around the drinker. Yes, some people drink and then drive, but everyone that drink does not drive.

Smoking cigarettes automatically leads to hazardous health affects for the smoker and all of those around the smoker.

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Apr 17, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing is ever an absolute

There are several folks on the other side of this argument who think that the studies behind Second Smoke are Junk Science and the numbers were massaged in the studies so that the Second Hand Smoke cause cancer argument could be proven. Whether all of those people are in bed with Big Tobbaco, I don’t know. From personal experience I know that these studies are used from time to time in Stats classes to show how data can be manipulated to prove a point

I don’t really know what to think but I know enough that both sides of this argument have something to gain.

My personal opinion is that if I own my own building and pay taxes, it should be my choice how I run my business. If I can’t keep employees or customers because I have a smoking or a non-smoking establishment, then it should be up to me to make changes.

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Apr 17, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny

last i checked drunk driving was also against the law.

Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 17, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hogwash!

That guy already had his license revoked! He didn’t care. For you to smoke in a manner that is illegal flaunts the very idea of thinking that laws will solve the drinking/driving problem. You are not even willing to follow a law long enough to watch a cubs game!

"I lof to hit de home ron!"

by Tekboy on Apr 17, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts

Our position players should be fine. ’Nuff said.

The rotation should settle down and start going at least a bit deeper into games. It’ll also be nice when Lou stops pulling guys on impulse.

The bullpen’s a little worrisome other than Marmol, but I also think when they work out early kinks they should end up for the most part alright. It’ll also probably help when they’re used a bit less frequently. It’ll be a big confidence boost if Shark can pull his stuff together and either take a spot in the bullpen or take over the 5 spot so Marshall can go back and help out our pen.

by rea5661 on Apr 16, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 16, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smoking in the park...

"I'd rather play baseball than eat." - Andy Pafko

by LaddieRenfroe on Apr 17, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry, hit "enter" but forgot to move the cursor...

anyway…i had two points on this subject.

1. after the all-encompassing state smoking ban was passed in the winter of 07/08, enforcement was very haphazard in the main granstand at first. by last june, it seemed to be uniformly enforced. however, if you REALLY want to have a smoke, i’ve noticed that smokers can clandestinely sneak a drag in a few places…

2. those places are far away from any concentration of fans. and that’s the point of the whole ban…there’s no need for smokers to bother anyone else because, believe it or not, many people are allergic to cigarette smoke. i wish that, rather than an absolute ban, they could create one or two little holding-pen areas where smokers can smoke and a) the average fan is in no way involuntarily exposed to it while b) hardened smokers don’t feel compelled to devise methods to beat the rules.

"I'd rather play baseball than eat." - Andy Pafko

by LaddieRenfroe on Apr 17, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, but...

… in the case of the bleachers, people are lighting up within a few feet of people in seats, AND directly next to signs that say “no smoking”.

At best, you could call that “rude”. There are some other things I could say about that sort of behavior, but I think I won’t.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, enough of this for now...

Bring the Shark back up to the big show! Preferably in the ‘pen. I’m going to go for a walk and have a smoke!

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 17, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yea i trusted him last year...

what a dumb signing bonus.. our drafts have been terrible…. I am done wit wilken… we could have had wieters… cant miss prospect.

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Apr 17, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, the Shark is that good of a pitcher.

He deserved the bonus to keep him solely concentrated on baseball, and not football. He is much more talented as a pitcher, and will have a much longer professional career. The mistake I see is continuing to try to make him a starter. He has two good pitches, and an average third pitch; his fastball being the best of all three. If he goes back in the ’pen in the big show, he will show everyone just how well spent that signing bonus was.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 17, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certainly was no evidence of physical contact

on the field. Hope we learn more about the context or alleged context soon. Right now the ump’s charge doesn’t pass the smell test.

Milton "Porcelain Doll" Bradley.

by Emelie on Apr 17, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I saw on ESPN

it appears that Bradley chest bumped him a little bit…it was slight but he did appear to make contact. It was one of the things I looked for when I was watching the video

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Apr 17, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just saw the video again on Sportscenter...

They bumped hat bills…

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Apr 17, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got 2 problems with this though:

1. Why is the umpire taking off his mask? He should have tossed him and ignored the rant by Bradley.

2. After he tossed Bradley he took a few steps toward Bradley almost hoping Bradley said more.

MLB needs to do something about these umpires. They have way too much power or too many power trips. Their stupid strike calls that look like Nake Gun 331/3 calls, the out calls that they sprint across the field to fist pump Tiger Woods style. It is classless in my opinion, it shows the players up in my opinion. Strike, Out, and safe calls should be uniform throughout the league. If a player disagrees with a call the umpire should toss the guy or whatever and move on – not get in his face and scream back say something about his mom or whatever they talk about. How many times have you seen an ump walk over to a dugout, and stare down a player or something like that? It is a joke.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Apr 17, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 2nd base umpire is filing the report?

Was he the crew chief or something? Not sure how the process works, but the article states he’s filing the report not the home plate umpire?

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Apr 17, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, that's not what it says.

The article says:

The Chicago Tribune reported late Thursday night that second-base umpire Dan Iassogna said a report would be filed because it was a “contact” incident.

Iassogna said a report “would be filed”, not that he personally would file the report.

The crew chief is Charlie Reliford, who was the 3B umpire yesterday. I’m not sure who files the report, whether it’s the crew chief or the umpire involved.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my question is...

….why would the 2nd base umpire be the “spokesman”? Or, if he was asked by reporters, why would he not say “You’ll have to aske the crew cheif or the ump involved.”

Just a little weird.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Apr 17, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows?

Maybe he was the only umpire around, maybe they had previously agreed a report would be filed, any number of reasons.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Usually most of them don’t speak to the media. He was probably the only one willing.

by ol Pete on Apr 17, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HIGGY is back!

First post of the season!

I will touch all points that i can:

1. Our starting pitchers need to stop nibbling, go after the hitters and challenge them. I think too many of our starters try and strike everyone out.
2. Sean “5 inning” Marshall, if you want to be a starter you have to learn how to throw more than 5-6 innings. ( this should be said of all our starters this year).
3. Al – i about fell out of my chair when you gave the pitchers used this season stat. That is not good. The fewest used is 4? Wow.
4. Bradley, good effort, and i agreed with him. I really dont agree with the people saying the K pitch was a good pitch. If, and only if that was truly a strike it is the pitchers pitch. a 3-2 hook like that, you cant expect bradley to either expect it or swing at it. I think it was a bad call, and Bradley was in the right.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Apr 17, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I tried to find a silver lining in bump in the road

and after doing some math, I found that, even at 5-4, with exactly 1/18 of the season past us, we are still at pace to win 90 games. Imagine the pace once we get firing on all our cylinders. Let’s even up the series today!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played--in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."--Alvin Dark

by spoiledcubbage on Apr 17, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the tagline..........

We were talking about day games yesterday. I knew it said about being played in God’s own Sunshine but I couldnt remember the rest of the quote. You save me time from googling it.

"So chicks dig guys who TAKE AWAY the long ball, too? " by dat cubfan daver

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 17, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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