Fukudome group apology post
Now I read consistently for at least six months all forms of disparaging words towards Fukudome in this community of Cubbie Blue "bleeders" and now 10 games into the season he has done a fantastic job. More importantly he is lashing the ball all over, hitting for power and getting on base. But I have seen few admissions. Here is your chance for contrition. Sure if falters again you have my permission to criticize but at least for now he is earning his due.
10-GAMES: 35-AB's, 7-Runs, 13-Hits, 9-RBI's, (tied for team lead w/ Soriano) 3-HR's, 5-2B's (8/13 hits extra bases), batting .371 and OBP over .490!
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10 games
10-GAMES: 35-AB’s, 7-Runs, 13-Hits, 9-RBI’s, (tied for team lead w/ Soriano) 3-HR’s, 5-2B’s (8/13 hits extra bases), batting .371 and OBP over .490!
Exactly, it’s been ten games. It’s not that big of a sample size.
Now I’m not saying that Dome isn’t hitting great which he is. I’m also not saying he’s going to falter down the season as it continues. But shall we remember last year about the same time he was lighting it up too. We all know how that turned out.
Let’s stop lining up on the ledge and dismissing this team in fanposts. Let’s stop dismissing certain players. It’s only been ten games folks. When it’s the all star break and Dome is still hitting in the area of this clip, I’ll apologize, and gladly. What if in the next ten games he cools. His average comes down around .250??? Now we would be twenty games is and he’d be right back to where he was at the end of last year.
I stress It’s only been TEN GAMES!
Greg Maddux could put a baseball through a Life Saver if you asked him. ~ Joe Morgan
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Apr 17, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions
I agree...
I doubted him coming into the season due to last years production. I never said I didn’t want to give him a chance, but I did doubt him sure. Who didn’t? I agree that people shouldn’t have wanted to get rid of him or trade him right away, but we’ll see what happens. Give it a few more weeks. Let’s get into may and see how he is producing then.
I am sorry
I am sorry I didn’t make more fun of the Fukudome haters in the off-season.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
This was an asinine concept the first time someone posted one of these...
And it remains an asinine concept now. I honestly don’t understand why people post FanPosts like this. And I say this as someone who thought Fukudome was better than his second half last year indicated AND who thinks Fukudome is not as good as his hot start this year indicates.
Fukudome was atrocious last year. There was every reason to doubt his ability to hit major league pitching based on what he did CONSISTENTLY last year. Similarly, just like there’s no reason to proclaim Bradley a bust after just ten games, there’s no reason to proclaim Fukudome a surefire success after ust ten games either.
You never apologize to others when you’re wrong – why are you so quick to suggest people apologize when they may or may not be wrong?
is what you say more or less CONSISTENTLY false when you put it all in caps?
Ivy Walls has a point. A good one I think. You may disagree, but to dismiss it as asinine suggests you’re taking this a little too seriously.
His/her point, if I understand it correctly, is that people are extremely quick around these parts to label someone an abject failure, an utter disgrace, a complete and total disaster who should be banished to the far corners of the earth, a …, well, you get my point.
Is Dome the next Ted Williams? Ah, probably, almost certainly, not. As many have pointed out, 10 games is a limited sample. BUT TEN GAMES IS TEN MORE THAN THE SAMPLE SIZE MOST PEOPLE WERE USING WHEN THEY DECIDED HIS 2009 SEASON WOULD BE MORE LIKE HIS DREADFUL JUNE TO SEPT. 2008, THEN HIS OFF THE CHARTS TERRIFIC APRIL AND MAY 2008.
Sorry for the shouting. The point, I think, is too many people are quick to say they know someone is a failure, and slow to concede that maybe, just maybe, they were wrong.
by Orval Overall on Apr 17, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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how did you figure that out….by the way I am a guy….even though that doesn’t matter
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I called you a dude referring to you as a male.....
BTW I am not a dude either…..
how did you figure that out….by the way I am a guy….even though that doesn’t matter
Just wandering you told me you weren’t male and in this post you said I’m a guy—which is it??
I didn't get the players I wanted in the offseason!! Hopefully I get what I want in the Regular Season---The World Series Trophy!! Go Cubbies!!
He's a guy, not a dude.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
whatever
I didn't get the players I wanted in the offseason!! Hopefully I get what I want in the Regular Season---The World Series Trophy!! Go Cubbies!!
by cubsluver22 on Apr 21, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree at all...
but I think it’s ironic that this post is sort of the opposite of that: someone being quick to say they know the player is a success.
Perhaps I misinterpreted the point of the post. If it wasn’t intended as an “I told you so” and “I’m better than you,” then the asinine comment was inappropriate. But that’s the tone I got from the post.
no
Many just don’t get it. Fukudome had a bad 2nd half for a multiple of reasons. That was recognized by the organization and himself. He was an accomplished offensive force in Japan and a good dedicated athlete.
He went back to Japan and worked on things——few of you give any credit to off season development, but listening to the Cubs he responded (as did Soriano) and came back prepared.
He has started out strong—-stronger than last year. He is hitting line drives and hitting for power, some have noted the technical changes where he is staying back better and hitting the ball with his hands. I also see growing confidence in the OF in CF, his body language is growing and in Wrigley he is very good. Some CF’s on the road he might be challenged.
But the purpose is for some to just own up and say—-
hey I am surprised—-definitely we all hope he keeps it up—-but some are so deep in their inability to admit opinion error that they can’t.
I am not better than anyone or said I told you so….simply said own up to your statements. There were a wave here saying that Gathright will be starting by May or sending Fukudome to Iowa or moving him to the 8th spot in the lineup….
Finally I can’t help whatever tone you get…..I think alot of things you say are asinine….so what
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Get off your high horse.
“Many just don’t get it.” “Few of you give any credit to off season development.” “The purpose is for some to just own up.”
You want to cite a few random pessimistic examples to support your arrogance, then whatever. There are ALWAYS extreme examples in every argument on an internet blog. Someone said the Cell borders on the KKK in another thread. Should we condemn everyone arguing on that side of the thread for that statement? It’s a blog. A blog. Some posters will always go overboard on every player and on both sides of every argument.
What business is it to you that people admit they were wrong? How can that not be taken as arrogant and argumentative? Does it give you some twisted pleasure to feel right about a topic related to a game that is found on a blog? Whatever gets your rocks off, I guess.
I thought Dome would turn it around but I had no problem reading alternative opinions. Sure, there were a few “Dome sucks and will always suck” but I found most dissenting arguments to be similar to SouthernCub’s, where they cited evidence that they believed showed it might be difficult for Dome to return to April 2008 form.
Free Ronny Cedeno
fair enough
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I just think it's silly for you to ask others to own up...
when you don’t do the same when you’re wrong. You set the bar high for others, but don’t seem to have the same expectations of yourself.
Bud Selig Jr?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I do not agree with some of choices of words, and I have no idea whether the original post admits he's wrong, but I generally agree with the So.Cub reply.
10 games is nothing. It could easily turn around the other way. In fact, he dropped off the planet last season so badly that he went from undeserved All-Star to horrific. The latter doesn’t mean he can’t turn it around but 10 games doesn’t tell us whether he will.
I think Lee and Fukudome are the big offensive questions on the 2009 Cubs. I hope they are both All-Star type players this year but I don’t expect anyone to issue an apology for thinking otherwise coming in to 2009, especially not after 10 games.
I like both guys in that they seem fundamentally sound on D and they seem to exhibit plate discipline, but if they turn another Judy type season from positions that are loaded with offensive talent then they could end up bringing the team down. I hope that’s not the case and I am glad that Fukudome is hitting well now and Lee has been starting to hit some lately.
Finally, why don’t we project every player based on his game day performance? I suggested something similar in a prior post with my “Matrix of Blame” idea. If we did the latter then no one would be posting for apologies.
No, I meant atrocious...
I should have clarified: Fukudome was consistently atrocious at the plate for the second half of last year. I also said I don’t think he’s nearly as bad as he was in the last five months of last year, nor do I think he’s nearly as good as he has been this year.
My point was that it was completely rational to heavily question whether or not Fukudome would be worth anything at the plate this year (using the “pitchers figured him out” argument). It was also completely rational to argue that he’d bounce back this year (using the “fatigue” argument). So nobody owes anybody an apology.
I think both arguments have some validity...
I don’t think either argument is the entire reason for the results. Obviously, we can’t prove either one right or wrong.
It could be that pitchers figured him out last year, and Fukudome has made adjustments. It could be that Fukudome got fatigued last year, and has worked to reduce the effects of fatigue (though we won’t know the results of that effort until later in the season).
Or, it could be a combination of those things and a number of other factors.
In any case, nobody owes anybody else an apology for not thinking Fukudome would be able to bounce back from his horrendous second half last year. It was entirely reasonable to think he might wind up a bust.
+1
No one needs to apologize for their assessment of his performance, but maybe we should be a bit more discerning when evaluating a players performance and predicting his future. It takes longer than a couple of weeks to evaluate a players performance. Perhaps, if nothing else, we might think of this when making snap judgements about a player.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
He has made some adjustments obviously now the pitchers will adjust to him and he will have to readjust.
I think his wife and baby are with him. I still think that helps. Everyone here knows I believe in intangibles and the other aspects of life affecting a game.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
Actually you are contradicting yourself
You start by saying it is all about adjustments, then end saying it is intangibles. These are contradictory statements. Personally, I think Dome just wore down over a longer season than he was used to with a lot more travel than he was used to. I think he is better prepared this year after having experienced it last year, but he is still trying to find a year long pace/regimen, so he may still wear down eventually. Probably he will do better for longer than last year.`
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Apr 17, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Fool
me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on Apr 17, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
good one Wild man!
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Whoa, whoa, whoa....

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
Dome2.0
“I never forget how I felt last October.”
- Kosuke Fukudome, from his diary of Apr. 9th.
by dragonsfanatic on Apr 17, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
When was this photo taken?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
judging by the kanji on the basket
was def. taken in japan. he’s also got his hair dyed red. it was probably taken before 08’. if i had ot guess i would say 2006?
Well...
… based on the “Dome 2.0” comment by dragonsfanatic, it was probably taken last offseason. I don’t see the “hair dyed red”, either. That’s probably just a trick of the light.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
click on the photo
and jump to flickr photo page – it was November 11, 2005 in Chatan, Okinawa for Autumn Training Camp here.
Yes, he dyed his hair at that time, he was a bit young… and the kanji on the basket reads “Chunichi Dragons (property)”.
by dragonsfanatic on Apr 19, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
First of all let me say I never hated on Dome.
But if you can post something ridiculous like this, then you are in the same group as the people who say demote DLee.
It’s ten games people, chill out!
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Well, I, for one, have nothing to apologize for.
I’ve said all along that the naked, untrained eye may not be able to see exactly what adjustments Dome has made at the plate. I’ve also said all along that we should give him a month before we begin to make even preliminary judgements on whether or not he’s capable of hitting consistently at the major league level. And I’m sticking to that. It’s too early to declare him either an unmitigated success or an unmitigated failue.
Don’t get me wrong: I’m very happy for him. And I hope and pray that he keeps this up. He is a smart, balanced, fundamentally sound ballplayer. But it’s very early in the season and he has a long, long way to go.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
pretty much this.
he needs an entire season of proving he can hit — and I expect him to slump at least once.
I never thought he wouldn’t do it. But I can’t truthfully say that he’s proved he CAN do it yet.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 17, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
Every player is streaky, and Dome will almost certainly go cold at some point. The questions then well be: 1) Can he pull himself out of it within a reasonable amount of time, and 2) Can he do enough little things (bunting, working counts, defense) to keep himself in good graces until he comes out of it.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
I don't think an apology is necessary.
I was just as frustrated as anyone with what became of him the second half of last season. And I’m just as thrilled that he’s producing now. But last year was his first Major League year, and we’re only ten games into his second.
I just hope he keeps it up.
remember
Sammy Jankis
by neverAcquiesce on Apr 17, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Agreed, rec'd, and exactly how I feel.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Couldn't agree more
this was a perfect response to the FanPost. My sentiments exactly.
I loved what he did in April of last year, and was pretty pleased with his May and June. I couldn’t stand his performance in July-September. I figured he would be a .780-.820 OPS guy this year (and I still think that’s where he’ll end up), but I could understand those who believed he’d stink again. There was certainly evidence to support that theory, just as there was evidence for those who thought he’d bounce back.
It’s been a fantastic start for him, and I hope it leads to a fantastic year for him and the team.
I agree
I stated before I think Dome is the key to the offense this year, just I think Heilman is the key to the pen.
Dome hits well, 15-20 HR’s, knocks in 80, scores 85, the Cubs will be fine offensively. You know his OBP will be up there, just knock in some runs.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Dome scored 79 runs last year.
If he hits better (i.e. raises his average and keeps his walk total similar to 2008), he should score 100 runs with Lee, Bradley and Ramirez hitting behind him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I really dont...
understand the point of this post.
I didn't get the players I wanted in the offseason!! Hopefully I get what I want in the Regular Season---The World Series Trophy!! Go Cubbies!!
FYI
some of us (ahem) were not negative about him during the off season, and did aexpect him to produce better this season (not going to name any names, like me)
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
I'm more than happy to admit the I (hopefully) was wrong about him
I LOVE to be wrong any time it means good things for the Cubs.
As I’ve said before, if he keeps up like this then the crow I’ll be eating will taste like a steak dinner!
Rough crowd.
Raise your hands if you hated on Soriano today after his first three strikeouts. How soon you forgot what he did in previous games this short season. And how quickly you rejoiced when he hit the game winner today….after the three strikeouts.
Many of you hated on Edmonds early last year. Many of you hated on Fukudome later in the year. Some of you hate on DLee. Most of you hate on Theriot.
Wow, and this is your team?
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
by flachimesa on Apr 17, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Here! Here!
rec’d
"This is a game to be savored, not gulped. There's time to discuss everything between pitches or between innings." -- Bill Veeck
FUKU MVP
AVG OBP SLG OPS
Kosuke Fukudome .375 .487 .781 1.268
Albert Pujols STL .341 .460 .707 1.167
current stats.10 games or not, gotta like it.
by vegasbleacherbum on Apr 17, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions
Robodome
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
wow
Puhols has an OPS of .167? Maybe THAT’s why he’s not batting 4th. :P
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 18, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I apologize
I apologize I thought Fukudome would suck for the first 10 games of the season.
When his .BA is above .280 in September I’ll really mean my apology…
what the hell
he could very well be an excellent hitter with a .260 BA.
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on Apr 18, 2009 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions
He hit .259 last year...
… and was league-average in a number of categories. He needs to hit in the .280-.290 range, with an OBA of .400 and a SLG about the same, to be above-average.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
sure
but that .259 doesn’t really tell the whole story. If he’d hit .259 CONSISTENTLY the whole season, we would have been a lot happier than the .300+ we got in the first two months and the .099+ we got in the last two months.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 18, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Good thing
With Bradley on the bench it is a good good thing for the team to have Fukudome producing. Whether we’re seeing production that will last the season – who knows?
While I disagree with the basic premise of this post, he thought has some merit. There
were several posters who were calling the acquisition of Dome as “Hendry’s worst ever” and were suggesting that the Cubs eat his salary and release him. Two weeks of good play doesn’t justify the signing of Fukudome, but this exercise illustrates the very nature of how basball should be perceived. Making decisions based on spring training performances or a few games usually leads to eating your words
I will be the first to concede that Dome had a terrible second half to the season and doubts about his long-term sucess were justified, but some of the posts calling for his release or trading him and paying a large portion of his salary were a bit silly. Obviously, the talent is there and he needed to make some adjustments. Sometimes patience is a hard thing to display in a case like this, but baseball is a game that must be allowed to unfold naturally. The subtle nature of this sport calls for a certain amount perserverence that lets these types of situation resolves themselves.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2009 7:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I have no apology
to give. I was willing to let Dome (as well as all the players) show what he/they can do this season. It seems that some forget about the human element involved. Humans are not perfect but some expect them to be.
The best part...
I dont have to be embarrassed to wear his shirt anymore!
But I’ll hold my breath, we saw this movie last year
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
everyone's too quick to react
both positively (this post) and negatively (the other one or two).
The Cubs aren’t even 2 full weeks into the season. I’m happy Domer is doing better and will only say I hope he continues to improve.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
This is such a waste of a fan post are you kidding me?
10 games into the season is nothing, so if he goes another 2 months hitting fine then collapses in the 2nd half again, then people are going to be all over him, this could have waited until August
Lets Go Hawks!
This is a stupid idea.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
He has to play 162 games...
this well in order for me to even to begin to think about apologizing. Nuff said
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
And look up your facts...
Soriano has 5 HR’s through 10 games… which doesn’t tie with Fukudome.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
I think
Ivy meant tied for RBIs.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 18, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I refuse to apologize
and this lnk will tell you why
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/2/6/751539/fukudome
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Yes, it is less than a month into the season
and maybe he’ll come back down to earth. But what I’m encouraged by right now is that he seems to have adjusted to the pitcher’s adjustments. He’s being more selective, etc.
And so right now I prefer to think that the fans who thought he needed more time to get used to playing in the major leagues and to become more familair with the pitchers might have been right after all.
I was a naysayer but I have no problem admitting I might have been wrong. In fact, at times like this, I’m absolutely gleeful about it.
Dome needs one consistent year at the plate in MLB.....
…once he has that, the questions about his ability to hit will go away, until he has that, they won’t. Here’s to hoping this is the year he does that.
dome
long season.i think if lou handles him better he might hold up longer.play reed a little more and fukudomew a little less.
Dome will be just fine.
This year is no comparison to last year with regard to his APPEARANCE at the plate. He looks confident, mean, and aggressive.
Last year (2nd half) he looked like I would look standing at the plate. He looked confused and fearful.
He just had to finish out the season last year, go home and re-group. He will be just fine.
"Just win tonight" - derv
If he starts to flop all of the sudden...
I’ll blame myself. Last night I picked him up for my fantasy team. If that doesn’t jinx him then I don’t know what will.
I couldn't be happier at Fukudome's success so far
Before the season. I wrote a fanpost critical that Fukudome was going to have any success at all. When I wrote that, i hoped that i would be wrong, but he looked so bad. There was a lot of reasons to believe that he wouldn’t be successful:
1) The Cubs went out and signed Bradley to play his position. Obviuosly, the Cubs didn’t have too much faith.
2) His performance for almost 10 months at every level (regular season, playoffs, WBC, and spring training) of play was atrocious.
I see nothing wrong with questioning his ability to be a functioning player based on all that evidence. I’m glad he’s succeeding, but I’m still skeptical. Let’s see him do it for longer than he did last year and maybe I could be more comfortable taking a different position. It should be noted that it’s only been 10 games and started like this last year too.
by jerry morales rules on Apr 20, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions

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