OT: CUTLER IS A BEAR
It would take something huge for me to go off topic, four days before opening day, but the Bear have a franchise QB. Sid Luckman move over. This is huge. Good bye neck beards, good bye running off the bus. Hello passing game. Now we need to find someone for him to throw it to. GO BEARS
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Great news!
The price was steep, but maybe the Bears will be able to save some money by not having those 1st round picks.
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by RynoHoF on Apr 2, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that steep
They apparently got a 3d rounder back with Cutler. Since Angelo is horrible at drafting in the 1st round, and actually pretty sweet in the 3d and later, maybe this is a win-win.
by Orval Overall on Apr 2, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too
steep at all, IMHO. Plus, we ship neckbeard out in addition to everything else. Can’t beat it with a stick!
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Apr 2, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a 3rd rounder
5th rounder.
Bears sent Orton, the 18th pick of this year’s draft, their 3rd round pick, and the first round pick of 2010.
They got a fifth rounder for this year’s draft and Jay Cutler.
Considering Jerry Angelo’s feelings about first rounders and how poorly he drafts them, it’s really not that expensive a compensation. He has a couple second rounders and a franchise qb.
Plus the Bears also signed Orlando Pace to a 3-year deal.
by northernsails on Apr 3, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed completely.
And, let’s not forget, this year’s 1st is in the second half of the round, and we can assume that if Cutler performs as he’s capable, the Bears should win at least 8 games next year too, making the 2010 pick a late-ish first rounder.
But, as you note, our other course of action re: QB were:
1. Roll with Orton;
2. Use the 2009 or 2010 1st rounders on a rookie, pay him through the nose and hopehopehope he knows what he’s doing, if not, repeat;
3. Sign an old journeyman, hope he still has something, if not, repeat.
If someone told the Bears they could draft Jay Cutler with the 19th pick of the 2009 draft, they’d do so in a heartbeat. So really, the “cost” is our 2010 pick (again, we aren’t talking about a top-5 pick here), plus moving down from the 3rd to the 5th.
For a 25-year old Pro Bowl QB who is a Bears fan.
I can’t believe this actually worked. I just can’t believe it.
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by D98 on Apr 3, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE HAVE A QB
in my lifetime I have not been able to say that!
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
by Rudey on Apr 2, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This...made...my...day
God bless you..
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by Chanman25 on Apr 2, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just did the superbowl shuffle in my head.
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by IowaCubs- on Apr 2, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seeing as how William "The Refrigerator" Perry was in that video, you must have a big head... ;-)
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by ballhawk on Apr 3, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Actually, according to other sources, Jay Glazer to be specific, the deal is a 1st and 3rd in 2009, a 1st in 2010 and Kyle Orton for Cutler and a 5th in 2009.
Giving up that much in the form of draft choices is much too much for Cutler. He thrived on occasion in Mike Shanahan’s system but make no mistake, what they run in Chicago shouldn’t be confused with Mike Shanahan’s system.
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by krummy12 on Apr 2, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still like it.
He’s 25, relatively cheap and he’s a great quarterback. I at least admire the Bears for having the balls to pull something like this off.
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by IowaCubs- on Apr 2, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he may be the best QB in Bears history
no joke. Now if only Angelo can find some WR’s for him
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With what draft picks?
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by eswan9 on Apr 2, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agency
There are some decent and good WRs available still
http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#players-tab-set-1:players-grid-container-position/players-list-links-position:pos-wr
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can always find solid WR's
WR’s typically have a 2-3 year learning curve. A guy like Ramses Barden in the 2nd could be an intriguing big target. A faster guy like a Louis Murphy may be a thought. The reality about this draft was, after Crabtree, all the WR’s are raw, well, maybe not Nicks, but Britt/DHB/Harvin/Maclin (random order, Maclin is a possible top 10 pick, Harvin/DHB should go from 11-20 or so, and Britt in the late first/early 2nd, along with Nicks perhaps).
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we gave up Cade McNown, David Terell and Curtis Enis. Those
were 3 first rounders so that tells you what a first-round pick is worth for the Bears.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 2, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a couple 2nd-rounders
and he loves the second day of the draft.
Plus Earl Bennett used to play with Cutler and the two have solid chemistry.
by northernsails on Apr 3, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, with this year's 2nd, for starters.
There are always great WRs going in the 2nd round.
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by D98 on Apr 3, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BEARS 2009 DRAFT PICKS
Round Pick Overall selection
1. 18 18
2. 17 49
3. 20 84
3. 35 99 (Compensatory)
4. 19 119
5. 18 154
6. 17 190
7. 37 246 (Compensatory)
7. 42 251 (Compensatory)
So we lost the 1st and one of our 3rd and gained a 5th. We can still land a pretty solid WR in the 2nd round.
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a side note to add is that
for the most part, the first round this year, value wise, is considered weak. Doesn’t mean there won’t be players, but the value is fairly weak, and you’ll be able to find good pieces later.
Now, WR almost has to be addressed in the 2nd, because after you go past the top group of WR’s (Crabtree/Maclin are both likely top 15 picks, followed by DHB/Harvin likely in that 10-20ish range, with Nicks/Britt in that late first/early 2nd), and after you get past that 2nd tier (say, Massaquoi, Derrick Williams, Barden, Louis Murphy, Juaquin Iglesias, and a couple others), the WR talent things out fast. Again, good players will develop, but the value drops. Whereas, at our other big position of concern, S, the value should be there in the 2nd-4th range.
by toonsterwu on Apr 4, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't know
how to draft. Those draft picks that we gave up would, most likely, amount to freaking squat.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Apr 2, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They weren't exactly going to be top-10 picks, anyway.
As you note, the odds of getting anyone even remotely close to Cutler’s proven ability with a couple of late-first round picks were awfully remote.
Cutler and Pace. I can’t even believe the Bears did this at all, let alone on the same day.
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by D98 on Apr 3, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we need to stand back and view
Pace as this years 1st round pick. By trading the pick, Angelo freed the money to get a starting LT.
In this scenario, would the pick be Wood and Pace be Gameboard?
Moving assets to address need? Very un-bear.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huge fricking news!!!!
so pumped. Cant wait to see him and devin go long
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by fischisgod on Apr 2, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In other news... their receivers still suck.
by lswaidz on Apr 2, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yea hester is alright
we need torry holt
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by fischisgod on Apr 2, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#88 Harrison?
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think holt has more left then starvin marvin
but ouldnt mind either
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by fischisgod on Apr 2, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
get holt to go with orlando pace, who we also just signed.
by tim815 on Apr 2, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
r u saying the Bears just signed Orlando Pace too? Link?
by socalbob on Apr 2, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tribune Live stated he is signed
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
that is another great signing. Someone who can actually block on the left side. Forte is on his way to 1600 yards in 2009.
by socalbob on Apr 2, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-7-45/The-rich-get-richer—Chicago-agrees-with-Pace—too.html
On the day Chicago traded for Pro Bowl quarterback Jay Cutler, the Bears also agreed to terms with seven-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman Orlando Pace. It’s expected that Pace will take over at left tackle and shift second-year player Chris Williams to the right side, but we should get more details on that from general manager Jerry Angelo later Thursday.
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow!
Thanks. I hope Garza gets replaced. I am not a fan. He whiffs more than Adam Dunn. He’s the weak link in the OL, in my opinion.
Harrison and Holt outside with Hester in the slot—the 3 H’s would give Cutler plenty of options. Forte in the backfield and Olsen at TE is a pretty formidable offense.
Problem is Holt and Harrison are very unlikely.
by socalbob on Apr 2, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd settle for holt
that is do-able now
by tim815 on Apr 2, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent, fabulous trade
The Bears offseason had been very ho-hum up to this point … but this is the the tape of game changing move.
Look, Cutler hasn’t handled the situation in Denver well, but the blame also falls on McDaniels, who has looked like a fool through this process (1, if you want to trade an elite player, make it happen, as leaks always happen; 2, don’t act like an a$$ when meeting with said player and trying to work things out; 3, someone in the broncos org leaked stuff about Cutler drinking and diabetes (check internet reports from a denver tv station or pft, and so forth). That said, he was a Bears fan growing up.
Is it worth it? Yes, a 25 year old QB, one of the top 8 or so QB’s in the game, is worth it, IMO. Orton wasn’t bad, and with a strong supporting cast, fine. But he had a windup, an average arm. In Cutler, we get a guy who can make every throw in the game, has mobility, and can attack the different planes on the field. He can make that 15 yard out that Orton would be erratic on. People point to Cutler interception totals – I’d point to the fact that his interception/attempt ratio was fine as a counter. People point to his W-L record as a negative – I’d point to Denver’s horrible OL and no RB’s (they dropped like flies).
All in all, Cutler is one of the better QB’s in the game right now and we just nabbed him. Yes, we have other issues, but Cutler throwing to Hester/Bennett/Olsen/Clark and handing it to Forte/Jones sounds much better than what we had. We need another receiving option. But it’d be nice to sign Pace and have Shaffer as a backup (thus, with Shaffer and the loser at guard (Omiyale/Beekman seems like the matchup), we’d have some depth). Thing is, everyone wants an elite receiver, but in this day and age, having a skillset mesh at WR is just as important, due to the proliferation of spread offenses. We can find a capable WR in the midrounds to fill a role (or we sign Holt as the veteran teacher).
Defensively, here’s hoping Marinelli ails us of our problems on the DL. The secondary needs some work, but in a woeful NFC North, we suddenly look that much better.
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
recd
woud also like to add denvers turrible defense
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by fischisgod on Apr 2, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just
thought you were doing a Charles Barkley impression.
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by The Guy Who Accidentally Saved the World on Apr 2, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops that was a typo on my part
meant to say Denver’s horrible D – their OL was actually excellent, which was why Cutler managed to put up the numbers in a horrible situation.
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
well said. I love this move. Now time to get him a supporting cast
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
make it three rec's
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by JB 23 on Apr 2, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said...
Have a 4th.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Apr 2, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable !
Just shows how desparate Angelo is.
Since he can’t draft a 1st rounder to save his life, giving two up isn’t a big deal.
They better find someone to block for him.
by BatCubFan on Apr 2, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here's the thing, at 18 this year
there was no guarantee of getting a good OL guy. This draft class is average at best, and an OL run is anticipated early, with Oher the best chance of a top guy being at 18, but he might be off based on current reports. We’d be looking at guys like William Beatty (pure LT prospect … not powerful enough on the right side to really matter), Eben Britton (a bit limited in pass pro), Jamon Meredith (may be a guard), and a few other guys. We’re talking about one of the top QB’s in the game in his prime. I can stomach the deal.
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pace is reportedly in
If so, that does give us some depth on the OL, with Kevin Shaffer as the 3rd tackle and the loser of Omiyale-Beekman as a solid interior backup.
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No desperation there -
This is more along the lines of Hendry picking up Aramis or Lee because their old teams couldn’t afford them.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen this situation happen in the NFL before - how often do 25-year old probowl QBs who are under contract get…. traded?!
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by D98 on Apr 3, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We also got Orlando Pace...
I dont know what that means i dont know if he is healthy but we will see.
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by fischisgod on Apr 2, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
when you couple that with kevin shaffer
i’m okay with our tackle options. not in love with it, but this draft’s OL talent wasn’t as great as suggested (solid though, but it thins out quick). Add in we basically have a rookie in Chris Williams, and if he pans out, our need is at RT long run (I know Pace is supposedly going to grab LT this year), and the OL looks alright on paper. Still need another WR target, some secondary depth (FS would be nice, as I don’t trust Bullocks, someone like Louis Delmas in the 2nd would be perfect as a Bob Sanders type). Ideally, would like to pick up a young pass rusher to groom, with Ogun/Brown getting up there.
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
torry holt
has been pleaded for above, but things happen in threes.
by tim815 on Apr 2, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Dallas Cowboys!!!!!!!!
I didn't get the players I wanted in the offseason!! Hopefully I get what I want in the Regular Season---The World Series Trophy!! Go Cubbies!!
by cubsluver22 on Apr 2, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are ordered to turn in your man card.
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by sanantonecub on Apr 2, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Nope
In all due respect marvelous freaking trade for the Bears. They needed a QB and went out and got a definite franchise QB. Now they need to get a Weapon or two and open that offense up a bit.
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by cubsluver22 on Apr 2, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, never heard of
Desmond Clark??
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Apr 2, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
so—and?? they need to go out and get a weapon or two just like I said.
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by cubsluver22 on Apr 2, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clark and Olsen
Are a great TE tandem, and now that Da Bears have a real, All-Pro QB they might become the best.
Still, an offense really cant rely on strictly TE work. It needs options to be effective because teams can single cover our current receivers and fill up the middle where our TEs currently work. A WR threat (like Holt or Harrison) will force opposing defenses to put an extra man into coverage, or constantly shift their pass coverage, or get real creative at cheating their safeties, and open everything up
by northernsails on Apr 3, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!!!!!!!
And we just picked up Orlando Pace to help protect Cutler!
We have a quarterback! I can’t believe I’m saying that!
Opening Day 2009 can't come soon enough!
by TyCubsfan on Apr 2, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Jay is our quarterback"
i love it
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by fischisgod on Apr 2, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
YESSS!!!
It would take something major to make a Chicago team another than the Cubs the main focus of my thoughts on April 2nd. This is something major. When I got home today, I actually logged on to the Bears web site before the Cubs. I didn’t know Jerry Angelo had it in him. I figured he was engrossed “Days of Our Lives” up in Lake Forest. This is awesome. Opening Day is four days away and the Bears have a quarterback. What a great day!
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by ctcoff99 on Apr 2, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And
And Cutler is a Cubs fan. He was at a Cubs/Rockies game last year rooting for them.
Maybe he’ll throw out the first pitch for the home opener. No other real obvious choice except maybe Pat Fitzgerald.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 2, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obama?
Forget that white sox nonsense.
by Orval Overall on Apr 2, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jack cutler
“This is the happiest day of my life,” Cutler’s father Jack said after hearing from his son about the deal. haha
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's so cool
Good for the Cutlers. I know he came off as a bit petulant and mopey in Denver, but seriously, Denver handled the situation as poorly as they possibly could have.
Great job firing Shanahan, guys. Great job. Enjoy your late first-rounders.
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by D98 on Apr 3, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OR...
This is Herschel Walker all over again.
Most organizations know what to do with draft picks, just because the Bears don’t.
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by Worf on Apr 3, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that it's an order of magnitude different than that.
First off, QBs have a longer shelf life than RBs, and have a greater impact on the offense. But more to the point:
“Orton, 2 firsts and a third over 2 years”
is a lot different than
“6 players, 3 firsts, 3 seconds, a third and a sixth over 4 years.”
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by D98 on Apr 3, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how much salary cap
is freed without having to sign those two players to 4 years $20+ mil each the next two years as well. I am sure finances also came into play based on that
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading the 2010 first may have paid for Orlando Pace.
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by D98 on Apr 4, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Cutler got most of the heat, but the Broncos handled this situation poorly. Leaking negative stuff about a player? I mean, it’s par for the course when trying to move a guy, but they handled this situation poorly. As several Bears have commented, they understand where Cutler came from in that situation, as I suspect many players do.
by toonsterwu on Apr 3, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say it
Hate to say it but I almost cried tears of joy when hearing this.
When your best 2 QBS in the last 20 years are Erik Kramer and Rex Grossman and best since Sid Luckman are those 2 and Jim McMahon you have problems.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 2, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
true
when the Bears signed Brian Greise, his career stats at that point of his career would have placed him #1 among all-time Bears QB’s. That’s how desparate this franchise is at the QB position.
by socalbob on Apr 2, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cutler had 8 300-yard games last season
the bears all-time record in one season is…….
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by tim815 on Apr 2, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4,526 passing yards
last season alone. He’s got over 9,000 yards in his 3-year career.
Kyle Orton’s career number? 5,319
by northernsails on Apr 3, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!!
I liked Kyle but this is a great day for Bears fans.
by sue369 on Apr 2, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Orton will thrive in Denver's offense...
Back to the West Coast Offense he had at Purdue, quality WR’s. And it’s his free agent year.
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by carmen_fanzone on Apr 3, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Orton should be good in McDaniels offense. Cassel-lite is possible. He sees the field well, has short-intermediate accuracy. That said, his windup and his inconsistency on the outs and the deep balls may be problematic for them. He doesn’t have Cassel’s arm strength, and Cassel was only above average.
by toonsterwu on Apr 3, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I demand
That Orton’s locker be kept unused as a shrine!
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by Worf on Apr 2, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It will be
f’ing stupid if that doesn’t happen!
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Apr 2, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! Look!
Worf DOES have a sense of humor!
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by Al on Apr 3, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am very funny
You guys are just usually the targets, so you don’t find it funny.
Seriously, though. Neckbeard did just as much on the field as Blister Boy. They should get the same honors!
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by Worf on Apr 3, 2009 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're issues with Kerry, while
shared in harsh ways, are somewhat justified.
However, to imply that Kyke and Kerry did just as much and deserve the same honors is off base. Other than having names worthy of being Clemen’s kids, and reputedly being nice guys, they couldn’t have been different.
Wood was a leader who had (has?) tremendous skills and showed that incredible promise on the field. His career was derailed by injury, but when on the field, he was usually the best pitcher in the game.
Orton was a good college player who was only mediocre on the field, a game manager, and doesn’t have the skills to be elite. Orton was almost never the second best quarterback in the stadium as the opposing backkup usually outclassed him.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
That Kerry often showed promise. He showed enough to break your heart.
And I DO respect him for showing a ton of courage and I also respect that unlike Prior and dozens of other players in all sports, he seemed embarrassed by the fact that he was getting paid to throw 12 pitches off flat ground before walking away in pain.
But at the end of the day, it’s about results. Kerry is better than Kyle athletically and has more talent in his vocation than Kyle has in his. But they both had the same amount of success, really.
I’m still irritated by the locker thing. I am actually more irritated that Wood has received some deity-like status when other players are far more worthy.
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by Worf on Apr 3, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The locker thing is silly, but
I can’t get worked over about that detail. Too many other things get me going.
As for the “same amount of success,” Kyle isn’t there, yet. If he starts for a year or two and wins one playoff game, I will then agree.
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by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
In reality Grossman’s Bears career is more comparable to Wood’s Cubs career.
Both suffered from injuries and probably damaged their careers.
Both won playoff games but failed in the biggest game of their lives (Wood game 7 of 03 NLCS and Grossman in Super Bowl).
Both were outstanding off the field. Orton is not. The media portrays him as a great guy. He is not a bad guy but I am laughing at those who say Cutler is a partier as a reason to keep Orton over him.
And Rex is a Cubs fan while Orton loves the Sox.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 3, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally...
I really don’t care about what people say about Cutler being a prima donna; he is the first legit QB we’ve had since Sid Luckman. Did we overpay? Maybe. But the opportunities to get a franchise QB are few and far in-between, and for the Bears… it’s unheard of. We’re horrible at drafting 1st-round picks anyway so I can’t be too upset about those, and Kyle Orton is well… Kyle Orton.
And we got Orlando Pace today (good mentor for Chris Williams). Sign a veteran receiver, and I see this off-season as a success.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Apr 2, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
plus NFC
is not the strongest, so it will not take too much to leap into the NFC Title game
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears completely overpaid
And they still will win the NFC Central
The real question will be whether Cutler is enough to beat the Giants, Saints and Cardinals.
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by Worf on Apr 2, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overpaid,
shmoverpaid. Already sick of hearing that refrain.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Apr 2, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not the question
Not when the Saints and Cardinals are still so mediocre.
by Orval Overall on Apr 2, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears should hope to be mediocre enough
to win the NFC and nearly beat the Steelers.
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by Worf on Apr 2, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Saints I'll give you
But the Cardinals of Arizona still have a guy named Larry Fitzgerald.
by northernsails on Apr 3, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Breaston is a good receiver as well.
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by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And until Boldin actually leaves
Don’t discount that they might keep him. Warner wants him and Warner is pretty much Jesus Christ there right now.
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by Worf on Apr 3, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot Boldin hasn't left yet.
Let’s not get into the Warner thing today. We proved we disagreed on that back at superbowl time.
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by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I remember
But I think you might agree that, regardless of whether you think it’s justified, Warner has a ton of leverage with the franchise right now.
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by Worf on Apr 3, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, he does.
They have three great receivers and a budding superstart at running back. This window to win is short, but Warner can put the ball on target downfield when given time in the pocket.
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by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warner is also proven
multi time MVP, and has rings to back it up, those help to draw players interest in Ariz I would think
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals have excellent WR depth, that's for certain
Doucet is a guy who I think can be a solid Hines Ward-lite type player if given the opportunity, and he’s their 4th or 5th WR.
by toonsterwu on Apr 3, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that.
First, there are 1st-rounders, and there are 1st-rounders. The two we’re sending to Denver are probably going to average out at about the 20th pick overall.
It’s possible to get a great QB that low, but it doesn’t happen very often — there are probably more elite QBs taken
The bonuses and salaries that the Bears would have to pay those first-rounders would eat up a chunk of the cap, with no guarantee that the players would ever see the field.
And the odds of the Bears getting anyone with Cutler’s ability with either pick are slim. The odds of getting a QB with Cutler’s ability at #20 or so are so slim as to be insignificant.
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by D98 on Apr 3, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just imagine that we sent
Enis and McNown to Denver. Would everyone feel better then?
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by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes sir, I
agree. And in terms of overpaying, as I have already mentioned, I have lost all faith in this team’s ability to draft competently. So, to hell with it I say; ship off the picks (and the subsequent first round money that we would hafta throw at these “winners” we would theoretically draft) and pick up a proven, Pro Bowl Quarterback for the first time in my life. 4,500 passing yards? What’s that like??
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Apr 2, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bears as Cubs
Since Cutler has the best arm in football, I wonder what he could do with a baseball…7th inning guy perhaps? Have Hester steal bases!? HA!
BEAR DOWN!
by jwate871 on Apr 2, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What would shark do
on the Bears? Instantly our best receiver.
by Orval Overall on Apr 2, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sign him lol
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler....
…was a safety in high school, playing both ways. The Shark was a WR in college.
by Chadnudj on Apr 3, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shark was
Samardzija was a Free Safety for the Golden Domes
by northernsails on Apr 3, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might have your Samardzija's and Zbikowski's mixed up.
It happens. Jeff Samardzija was an All-America wide receiver for Notre Dame. Tom Zbikowski was the safety.
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by Trey2317 on Apr 3, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Shark was most definitely a WR
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by BeerCub on Apr 4, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you're right
I did mix them up.
How’d ND get TWO players with ‘Spellcheck’-type names?
by northernsails on Apr 5, 2009 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs-Bronco Fan here
I am sad to see Cutler leave but also happy. He has an incredible arm but won’t miss the interceptions or stupid stupid mistakes. But through all of this I’m glad the saga has ended…….it was getting very old. I wish him luck and really hope he can become a true leader because I believe that is one thing he did lack.
Guess I will be watching more Bears games this year…..lol.
Lets go CUBS!!!!!
by FLCubsGirl on Apr 2, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your team will be better off
While it is true Cutler is much better than any QB I can remember the Bears having in a generation, he is not a good leader at this point. It’s going to be interesting to see how he does in a new system. Even he has some doubts, as he demanded a trade as soon as Shanny and the OC left. He makes a lot of mistakes but maybe the Bears defense will help him out.
by LT on Apr 2, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
question
how do you judge leadership on the field? Prior to the issues this offseason, all indications were, that his teammates, at least, the offensive ones, looked to him and respected him. He called Brandon Marshall out when others weren’t willing, he held guys accountable.
Look, as noted above, he didn’t handle this situation well. Neither did Denver. But he led a Broncos team that had running backs fall like flies and a horrible defense to mediocrity. I mean … those Broncos teams were actually pretty bad in terms of talent (and it’s fit), and Cutler made them competitive. As noted, people point to the mistakes, but Cutler’s interception to attempt ratio is actually fine – which is a bigger indictment of the lack of support Cutler had from the defense and the run game. I’d also say look at how Cutler made Eddie Royal as I thought Royal was a bit more shaky than people acknowledged, but Cutler’s ability to get the ball to him and cover Royal’s mistakes made everything look good (and I’m hoping he can do that for Hester here).
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's only my opinion
I live in Nashville and have seen him play for quite some time. No bowl games for Vandy during his tenure. Now Vandy is rarely good but they did make one this year. I just don’t like how whiney he is. His team had the division locked for weeks and he couldn’t lead them to one win. Good thing they voted for the Pro Bowl at midseason or he wouldn’t have made it. Hopefully for the Bears he will learn to grow up instead of pouting when he doesn’t get his way.
by LT on Apr 2, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares if he's whiney. He can whine all day as long as he throws
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 2, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the worst complaint
is that he never has won any type of title in college or pros. You also left out the 18 interceptions.
by LT on Apr 2, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the supporting cast he had. Many of those interceptions came as the
result of receivers running incorrect routes or from balls bouncing off their hands. Nobody had heard of either of their wide receivers, yet Cutler manages to throw for 4500 yards. Ypu can’t ignore that fact. The guy had 8 300 yard games, for goodness sakes. The Bear record for a season is 4!
Seriously, how many SEC tiltles has Vanderbilt won lately. That knock about winning tiltles is just garbage. When evaluating a pro quarterback, you can’t look at wins and losses in college. A good quarterback can play for a lousy program and a mediocre quarterback can play for a powerhouse program. You have to evaluate them on their peformance relative to the players around them.
The Bears haven’t had anything close to a franchise quarterback in my lifetime. Now they have a 6’4" stud who is mobile and can throw the ball as good as anyone. Most scouts rate him in the top ten in quarterbacks in the league. Are we really going to quibble about college titles? This guy has only been in the league for three years and hasn’t gotten close to reaching his prime. Come on folks, the Bears have just picked up a franchise quarterback! When was the last time anyone said that?
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 2, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
really a side note
but Marshall was a highly touted sleeper prospec and Royal was at VT. I think Marshall is legit, but I do think Cutler made them better.
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wins for a college QB
how did Schnur work out in the NFL after leading Northwestern to the Rose Bowl?
“But he won in college!” Yeah right—wins is the measuring stick for an NFL QB. Assinine.
by socalbob on Apr 3, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A stud??
Holy hell, that’s hilarious!!
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 3, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at the int to attempt ratio
and compare it to other QB’s around the league – I’m not excusing it, but let’s see how he does with a run game and a better defense (not that the Bears defense was good, but the Broncos were bad).
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean ...
the last 6 games of the year, he had to toss 40 passes a game. If this was a pitcher in baseball, we’d think his arm was getting abused.
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I agree with you
that this is the best QB the Bears have ever had and he seems to have some great abilities. But I also saw him seemingly throw in the towel early in the last game against the Chargers last year. He didn’t look like he had the killer instinct. I am concerned that he is a head case and gets his feelings hurt too easily. But I hope for the Bears that I am wrong and he does well.
by LT on Apr 3, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm ... I watched that game
I didn’t get the feeling that he threw in the towel. I got the feeling that he was frustrated … but throwing in the towel? He was still pushing the team as hard as possible late in the game, from what I recall.
Only time will tell what happens with his career here.
by toonsterwu on Apr 3, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From 2007
I think you’re just determined not to like him.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 4, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Full disclosure then
I am not determinde to not like him, I don’t like him. Some of this act should probably be blamed on his agent, seeing the same thing happened with Favre and McNair….2007 is not that long ago, but let’s take the last 3 games of last year. He threw 2 touchdowns and 4 interceptions. But I realize that none of that is his fault. It’s all everyone else’s fault. True the Bronco defense was terrible, but a great QB should be able to do better than 2 TD’s and 4 INT’s with a playoff berth easily in reach.
by LT on Apr 5, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you see those games
and how his receivers missed a lot of passes left and right, and yet, he had to keep chucking because they had no other option? Seriously, I am a big Brandon Marshall fan in terms of talent, and I like Eddie Royal, but the media has made those two out to be the greatest tandem in the league when neither guy runs consistent routes.
I’m not defending his actions over the last 2 months (you should never ignore the owner), but let’s not kid ourselves and take a one-sided view that Jay was the only one at fault. Most indications are that McDaniels acted like arrogantly in their meetings. Also, McDaniels should be smart enough to know that, if you ponder delaing an elite player, you need to make it happen, as leaks happen. Finally, they’ve been badmouthing Cutler. I think most would agree that it’s bad etiquette what they’ve done in regards to trying to badmouth him, by saying he has a drinking problem of some sort and so forth. I’m not saying one side deserves more fault than the other – both sides are equally at fault, but the media has skewed it against Cutler.
Here’s the thing – prior to the last 2 months, every report on Cutler was that he was a good leader, from his days in Vandy to his days in denver (in fact, Biggs had an quote on his blog from a Denver coach). I’m not worried about Cutler’s leadership until there’s something to be concerned about. It’s noticeable a lot of the player responses have been, they understand where Jay is coming from.
In regards to what he can do on the field, there should be no debate on it. Yes, he makes some bad decisions, but one look at the overall staistics should show that, at the very least, you have to give him a grain of salt. He is one of the best in the league in attacking the different planes of the field, as he is able to diagnose and see the field well. He has a good feel for the position, sliding in the pocket, keeping his head downfield. He has a quick release, and a compact delivery.
Are there things to work on? Sure. If you look at the negatives for each player, fine, you can laways find things to pick apart. BRady makes some dumb, dumb plays at times, and Peyton throws some ducks. While there’s no way to prove this, I’m fairly confident neither guy would be as good if they had played for the Denver team the last few years.
by toonsterwu on Apr 5, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not like he threw six
in Arizona and got saved by a defense (ahem Rex ahem)
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 5, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broncos also used
what 7 different starting RBs? I still think Forte will benefit from the signing of Pace and trade for Cutler more than anyone in a Bears uni
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those Vandy teams were pretty bad
and Cutler made them passable. I mean, in some respects, it’s Cutler’s success there that has helped push Vandy forward.
As for the Broncos this year, again, I’d point to that defense and the loss of RB’s. He was forced to attempt 247 passes in the last 6 games. That’s just insane … and teams were teeing up after him.
I’m not saying Cutler is perfect by any means, but I don’t know if I buy the idea that the Broncos weren’t in the playoffs as a sole judgment on Cutler. In fact, I’d argue that he made, not only Royal better, but also the OL, an OL that is highly touted right now (it’s good, but I don’t buy it as a great OL), with his ability to move and with his release, along with his ability to attack the planes of the field, something few QB’s in the league can do effectively.
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forte
will benefit a lot from Cutler and Pace
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a Hester fan, but I
can’t wait to see if he can become a big play threat with a strong arm to get him the ball way, way down field.
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by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At age 25, he's entering his prime years as a QB.
The Bears have at least 5 years in which Cutler’s physical skills will remain at their peak, while his mental/QB skills will only increase. It’s a great situation.
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by D98 on Apr 3, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anquan Boldin.......Is he still available, and do we have enough left to get him?
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 2, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My first thought was that 2 first round picks was too much
but my second was that we’d probably waste at least that many picks failing again to draft and develop a quarterback over the next 8 years.
Besides, first round picks are often a terrible value, with how expensive they’ve gotten the last few years. I’d rather we use the money to instead sign someone like Pace (which we did) or Holt (which we should, for 2 years or so).
by madcow256 on Apr 2, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone PLEASE recommend this so the stupid Soto diary gets one step closer to getting off the page.
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by dtpollitt on Apr 2, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't want to hex the whole thing
but is it too early to fantasize about dual Cubs/Bears Championships?
by JFCubFan on Apr 2, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice trade for the Bears
but I am not to worried about their offense next year. Rodgers will have a better year than Cutler.
by bheidge on Apr 2, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems way too pricey...
smarter play, IMO, would have been for Cassell (went for only 1 second round pick) and keep the draft picks for some playmakers or another quarterback down the road. They certainly solved a need, but it came at a steep price and could severly hamper the future.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Apr 2, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
except
Cassel is basically Orton. A slightly better version, IMO, but not all that different. He doesn’t have the windup Orton has, and he has a better mobility, but both guys work better when within the confines of a system. I’m not sure Cassel (who I do think is a solid QB) would’ve been enough of an upgrade over Orton to justify said move.
by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel is not a very good comparison.
NE franchising him guaranteed him lottery money this year. That crazy contract knocked down his value.
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by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears have a Quarterback!!!
Its been like 8 hrs and I cant stop saying it!!!!!
by jtsurf on Apr 3, 2009 1:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
btw...
It’s already up on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Cutler_(American_football)
by northernsails on Apr 3, 2009 1:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears
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by Steve Sax on Apr 3, 2009 2:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
First Round Picks in Angelo Era
Just to recall what kind of damage has been done with early picks in the recent past…
2001*: David Terrell, WR
2002*: Marc Colombo, OT
2003*: Michael Haynes, DE, Rex Grossman, QB
2004: Tommie Harris, DT
2005: Cedric Benson, RB
2006: No pick
2007: Greg Olsen, TE
2008: Chris Williams, OT
* = Jauron was officially in charge of player selection at the time
Of all of them, Greg Olsen and Tommie Harris are the only two that have shown any consistent quality. Angelo gets primary credit for them. Rex at least had some moments, but you never knew what he was going to give you from game to game. The jury is still out on Williams. The rest (and that is half of them) have been total flops, though the blame for all but Benson can be spread around. Still, I won’t be too upset to be ignoring the early hours of the NFL Draft for the next two years.
by Qixotl on Apr 3, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jauron
Not sure what you are relying on when you say Jauron was in charge of player selection. My clear recollection, although I could be wrong, is that in 2001 Mark Hatley ran the draft. He picked Terrell and A-Train, and was fired by June. Hatley had an ambiguous title of Director of Player Personnel, so I grant you it wasn’t always clear where his authority began and ended, but that draft was still his.
Angelo was brought in specifically to become the team’s first GM in a long time, and has run the draft ever since. Colombo/Haynes/Grossman are clearly Angelo’s picks (also his fault), not Jauron-imo’s.
by Orval Overall on Apr 3, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Source
Yeah, I decided to believe the Wikipedia entry for Angelo, which claims that Jauron was officially in control of personnel decisions until he was let go. I believe that has some validity, but Angelo was certainly involved in the selections in 2002 and 2003. I could not find a distinct start date for Angelo, but I do now seem to recall now that he arrived after the 2001 draft, not before.
by Qixotl on Apr 3, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that summer
everyone thought Hatfill was the biggest bum that walked the earth. Then Mike Brown had those miraculous pick sixes and before you knew it, Hatfill was the genius who had built a playoff roster.
by Orval Overall on Apr 3, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's sad
that looking at that list, I’m happiest with 2006.
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 3, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Columbo has been good
It’s just that he’s doing it in Dallas.
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by Trey2317 on Apr 3, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scary
Grossman has had the best career of any of those players. That says a lot.
Although I like Greg Olsen especially when we won’t have a dink and dunk QB.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 3, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Packer fan (who is a life long die hard Cub fan)
I have always been amazed at how the Bears have had difficulty in filing the QB position. Yes we in GB were spoiled with having the stability of #4 for so many years.
I am happy for the Bears and I hope Cutler finds a home in Chicago. I hope this leads to a great rivalry between two good young QBs (Rodgers/Cutler) for many years to come. I am still Chicago-raised, so I never wish anything bad on the Bears. I look forward to the rivalry improving.
Good luck!
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by LAcarl519 on Apr 3, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As a 30+ year bear fan, it's
impossible to believe that in that time the franshise has been unable to get 5 good/great years out of anyone. One would think the draft, free agents, or trades would bring in someone who could string a few years together.
McMahon is considered the best of the period, but only his win/loss record and the superbowl set him apart.
I just hope Cutler is smart enought to learn the playbook quickly so Turner can open it up in the first game.
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by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears could have had...
… a long era of dominance if McMahon could have stayed healthy. That’s the primary reason they couldn’t repeat the SB success with McMahon as QB.
With Cutler, they may be able to start another one. The rest of the team behind him appears to be good enough.
Now if only they could get a coach who doesn’t make bizarre play calls (witness: the end of the Atlanta game last year)….
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by Al on Apr 3, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are quite a few ifs in that scenario.
If the bears had not traded down to take McNown.
If the bears had given Flutie more of a chance.
If the bears had stayed with Harbaugh.
If they’d signed one of the many free agents, better than any on the roster, etc.
I believe the franchise has undervalued the position and believed that as long as the rest of the team is good, mediocre is good enough at quarterback. I believe the opposite and that great quarterback elevates a mediocre team.
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by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
All of your “ifs” indicate poor management and poor coaching; even supposedly sainted Mike Ditka was a poor coach in his last couple of years.
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by Al on Apr 3, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
St. Ditka
ran out Flutie and Harbaugh. Both guys who left the Bears to have pretty good careers.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Apr 3, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and TZack IIRC
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for McMahon, I think his love of golf and beer were his downfall.
I remember seeing him at Kemper Lakes more than once and I have to say that he looked like he wasn’t working that hard on taking care of himself for a guy who was pretty close to starting training camp. I never understand how guys who have big contracts at this way, but I guess fun is more important than a bit of discipline.
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by LAcarl519 on Apr 3, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the
Charles Martin bodyslam wrecking his shoulder did more damage than any amount of suds and golf. When McMahon went out, the chance of a dynasty rivaling the 49’ers & Steelers disappeared.
by socalbob on Apr 3, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Martin's wikipedia page
“Martin died in 2005 at age 46, due to complications from kidney failure. During the funeral, a reference to the hit was made in the eulogy”
Yeesh, talk about inappropriate.
by Orval Overall on Apr 3, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McMahon was the right QB
mentally with that team of zanies and crazies. He was a leader who could handle them, His actual skill as a QB were far from Pro Bowl caliber IMO
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't really matter...
…Cutler has a losing record as a starter and has never been in the playoffs. He hasn’t proven anything yet since he’s been in the league. I like Orton better than Cutler, but I don’t give two shits about the Bears.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 3, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
obviously you dont give a shit about the bears,
watch them, or know anything about football whatsoever, if you think Orton is better than Cutler. I will give you just ONE state of about 1,000. Cutler had 8 – 300 yard passing games last season…the Bears franchise record is 4!!! Orton, had 1!!!! last year, and it was against the worst team (possibly ever) in football. Since you obviously dont watch football…what you just said would be the equivalent of trading sean marshall for tim lincecum and you saying, lincecum has never one been on a winning team, never been to the playoffs, hasnt proven anything, so it doesnt matter and i like marshall better anyways.
by KButler on Apr 3, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, please! My comparison isn't anywhere close..
…to trading Sean Marshall for Tim Lincecum. I do watch football, I follow football and I know the game. What I gave you is my opinion. You can bring Peyton Manning into Chicago, and with that weak offense they have, he couldn’t throw for 300 yards. I can’t say I hate the Bears, because I don’t, but they aren’t my favorite team. They’re a running team. If you think Cutler is going to be successful with the current offense they have, I think you’re wrong. They better sign some receivers or it’s going to be the same old Bears.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 3, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your opinion
makes it seem like you know nothing about football and do not watch the game.
by socalbob on Apr 3, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you Bears fans are too hyped up for Cutler...
….look at his stats…they’re decent, but in Denver he had people to throw to. In Chicago, he doesn’t have shit. Just because he threw for over 300 yards before, doesn’t make him a quality QB. Bob, you really need to look things up before you run your ragedy mouth.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 3, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ragedy mouth
are you responding to your own garbage?
“losing record and never been to the playoffs” – ridiculous statement on merits of a QB
“hasn’t proven anything since he’s been in the league” – Pro Bowl doesn’t count?
“They’re a running team” – maybe because they don’t have a QB worth a lick
Your opinion is based on inaccuracies.
by socalbob on Apr 3, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding me?
Going to playoffs and winning Super Bowl aren’t merits for a QB? That’s about as assinine statement that I’ve heard on this topic. No, he hasn’t proved anything since being in the league. The only reason he went to the Pro Bowl is because another AFC QB dropped out. He has a losing record as a starting QB, never been to playoffs and whines like some of the Bears fans on this site. No, they’re a running team because they’ve got no other offensive weapons, i.e. receivers
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 3, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so Rex Grossman
is a great QB—he went to the playoffs and a Super Bowl. Hardly.
“Like Orton better than Cutler” – for what a men’s facial hair commercial?
RIF—you wrote “losing record and never been to playoffs”—now you want to change the argument to playoffs and winning a SB? Whatever. If we use your thought process, then Tarvaris Jackson is a “Great QB”—winning record and took his team to the playoffs. I would say he’s garbage because he has the best D in the league and the best RB is the only reason MIN won and got to the playoffs. He can’t throw a lick in the NFL.
A QB needs a team around them and “good teams” get to the playoffs, not just teams with great QB’s. It’s really not that hard a concept.
Bears are a running team because their QB’s can’t accurately read a D or throw more than 15 yards, so they dump it off. And running hte ball would attempt to keep the D on the sidelines as the Bears D is not as stout as in recent years.
Stick to the Cubs and Hawks as you have good posts on the Cubs—remember you do not give a shit about the Bears.
by socalbob on Apr 3, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, I don't give a shit about the Bears...
…Cutler has better stats than Orton, ok, but Cutler had a better O-Line and receivers in Denver than he does in Chicago. Cutler has not accomplished ANYTHING since being in the NFL. Maybe the Pro Bowl, but only because lack of other QBs to go.
Proof is in winning, and Cutler doesn’t do that.
But hey, being a Bears fan that you are, and you like the trade, then great for you. Congratulations.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 3, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the problem
the Bears last year were unable to consistently challenge deep, particularly once Orton got gimpy. That allowed teams to stack the line on Forte, and with Kevin Jones still working his way back, the Bears offense bogged down. Cutler should be able to stretch deep, but the benefit will come on the underneath stuff, with the dropoff’s to Jones/Forte, with Bennett on crossing patterns and the TE’s. For once, the Bears can open the game up. It doesn’t mean they will succeed – the idea that adding Cutler is a guarantee is a flaw amongst some of the reactions. What it does give is a lot of leeway for the Bears.
Btw – those Denver teams were only decent because of Cutler. Watch some of their old games – that defense was horrible, the run game was inconsistent, and the WR’s were greatly helped by Cutler being able to cover for their mistakes. One man does not make a team, but he does give the team a better shot.
by toonsterwu on Apr 3, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playoffs
If making the playoffs meant everything you’d want Grossman not Orton.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 3, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized how many decent, or formerly good wide receivers are out there
Obviously Holt and Marvin Harrison are over the hill, but would be great on the Bears for a season or two. Same goes for amani toomer. Hank Baskett had an alright year with the Eagles, Lance Moore had a really solid year with the Saints, more receptions, yards, tds, than any bears receiver by far. There are some other decent ones as well. Any thoughts?
by KButler on Apr 3, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More importantly, KButler
are you ok with Cutler taking your #6?
Being a Colts fan, I’m not sure you guys would be happy with Harrison at this point in his career. He’s a possession receiver, and I don’t know if he would be alright with working the slot.
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by Trey2317 on Apr 3, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure about Harrison either,
but feel like a proven veteran would really help the team out. If he could be 70% of what he was, I would take it over most bears receivers now.
As for taking my #6, my dad actually named me after the Bears kicker. I was born just after the super bowl. How messed up is that? hahahaha
by KButler on Apr 3, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if your father called you Butthead, too, to match Butler
then I might say it’s messed up.
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by Trey2317 on Apr 3, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different Perspective
I live in San Diego. I have seen plenty of Jay Cutler. In fact, he’s one of my favorite players. That’s not good for you, Bears fan. He’s one of my favorite players because he can always be counted on to choke, which is good for my Chargers.
You guys just traded the freaking farm for a guy that Chicago will eat alive. The guy is a party maniac. That doesn’t bode well for Chicago, the best party city in the world. The guy is self centered. That doesn’t bode well for Chicago, the town whose media was killing Sammy Sosa when he was hitting 60+ homers a year in a time when ‘Roids were out of the question. If he couldn’t survive in Denver, how do you think he will survive in Chicago? When he throws 2 red zone picks in a game this year, how do you think he’s going to react to the media? Not well. He’ll blame others. He always does.
Oh he has great numbers. Let’s look at the numbers from his last game. He was 33/49 with 316 yards! Oh my god, he has 8 games under his belt already with over 300 yards! Hmm, let’s see what the competition did that game. Rivers was 15/20 with 207 yards. The difference? Rivers team scored 51 points. Cutlers team scored 21, 14 of which came after they were down by 30. Cutler threw interceptions inside both 20’s that game. My point? His numbers don’t mean jack. The guy is a loser, and always has been since high school.
There is a perfect example of how you should view Jay Cutler. Remember the Hochuli call this past year? Cutler takes the snap in the waning seconds of the game and single-handedly chokes the game away. Oh yeah, he looked great with the touchdown and two point conversion after Hochuli saved his ass, but don’t forget that he lost that game because he fumbled the ball in open territory with no one anywhere near him.
He also will not have the same offensive tools in Chicago. He won’t be playing behind the best offensive line in football. He will no longer have the best home-field advantage in football. His rating has gone down every year. His interceptions have gone up every year. He gets most of his numbers after his team is already out of the game.
Now I know what you’ll say. You’ll tell me he won’t be playing from behind all the time because the Bears actually have a defense. That is my point. For the most part, the only time he does well is when the opposing team has already won the game. When the game is on the line, he won’t come through.
I think it’s great that you are all excited for your team. Yay! They finally have a quarterback! Trust me folks, you will all hate this trade more than the Mirer one. They got jobbed on this one.
by Kornchex on Apr 3, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
It just sounds like....
… you’re pissed because the Chargers are going to lose twice each year to the Broncos now.
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by BeerCub on Apr 3, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
I mean they didn’t score in triple didgets against them this year or anything.
by Kornchex on Apr 3, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should be happy
Orton is as much of a problem off the field as Cutler with half the talent.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 3, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
you are right. It’s Cutler’s fault the DEFENSE gave up 51 points and he needed to throw a bunch. Do you even have an understanding of the game to write something so ridiculous?
That’s like saying Aramis sucks and is a loser because he went 5-5 with 3 HR’s and 8 RBI in a game the Cubs lost 17-10 to Milwaukee. “But Casey McGehee went 1-5 with 2 RBI, so A Ram is a loser and has been since high school.”
Not sure if you paid attention, but the Chicago media was not even close to killing Sammy when he was hitting his 60+ bombs a year.
Bad post from top to bottom.
by socalbob on Apr 3, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be.
I could be totally wrong.
From another forum:
Bears fan: He’s only 25 and one of 3 QB’s in the league to toss for over 4500 yards last year
Response: Of those 6 guess who had the worst rating, worst completion percentage, least touchdowns, most interceptions, and was sacked the least. Jay cutler is overrated.
But yeah. It’s all the Defense. I look forward to seeing what the excuse will be when he chokes this year. Lack of receivers right?
by Kornchex on Apr 3, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot
led a pathetic Broncos team to first place for 15 consecutive weeks with the worst defense in football as well as lost 7 RB’s to injury all while playing games without their top WR who was out on suspension. He had a great year on a pretty sad team.
He’s 25 and been to the Pro Bowl. He has a great arm and is mobile. Is he the second coming of Brett Farve? No, but given the horsehshit QB’s in Chicago over the last 30 years, then this is a serious upgrade and is something to be genuinely excited about. No more dink throws and bad sacks and fumbled snaps.
by socalbob on Apr 3, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad the season is longer than 15 weeks
And they only scored 10 points against the Raiders in Denver? I’m going to have to agree with Kornchex in that this guy is very overrated. But, he is a lot better than Neckbeard.
by LT on Apr 3, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
over-rated?
how is he over-rated?
Is he a Top 8-10 NFL QB? Absolutely.
Is he Elway, Montana, Manning, Brady? No. And no post ever said he was.
Is he better then the guy you call “Neckbeard”? Hell yes!
The Bears landed a top tier NFL-ready QB to be their leader for the next 8-10 years. That hasn’t happened in my lifetime back some 37 years of going to Bears games since I was a little boy.
by socalbob on Apr 3, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is overrated by himself
He thinks he’s better than Elway
by TennCubs on Apr 3, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe he said
he had a stronger arm than elway
by Cubinator on Apr 3, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF that is true
I am fine with it. An EGO is needed to win at that position.
And if he is so over rated, why is Elway crying that the Bonocos got screwed in this trade (according to Hampton on 670 The Score this morning, and here is the best link I can find so far about Elways commetns
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_12060007
“I wish it hadn’t come to this,” the Broncos’ No. 1 fan . . . or, at least, No. 7, said Thursday evening.
“This” is the trade of Jay Cutler, and that’s that.
John Elway’s first reaction in his first interview after the deal was done: “I’m disappointed. . . . It’s a sad day for one of the elite franchises in football and all the Broncos fans, and I’m sad.”
Elway called Kyle Orton, who was acquired from the Bears by the Broncos, “a decent quarterback,” not exactly a ringing endorsement. “The Broncos now need a quarterback to step up and help get this team back to elite status in the NFL. They’ve got to replace what Jay gave to the team.”
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I wondered when a chargers fan would start yakkin. Secretly, every chargers fan is glad Cutler is gone because they feared his potential, and they feared what he could do to them twice a year. If Cutler wasn’t any good they wouldn’t waste their breath defaming him at every turn. Plus, that way they distract themselves from their one-time superstar running back that drank the kool-aid on his own greatness, and now is having trouble coming to grips with his rapidly declining game.
I am really glad that the bears pulled the trigger on the Cutler trade. Even if he’s not the second coming of John Elway, he’s a lot better than anyone else currently available and he’ll probably be a lot better than the crapshoot that is the nfl draft. Even with a number 1 overall chances are 50/50 you’d be stupid and pick someone like Ryan Leaf.
by Cubinator on Apr 3, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I think they are really scared of him since he beat them all the time (only when Hokuli helped)…
by LT on Apr 3, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, keep blaming the refs
or coming up with an assortment of other excuses. as denver built its D back up, cutler would be beating the chargers overrated corners like drums over the next 6 years.
by Cubinator on Apr 6, 2009 4:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Charger Fans Have Something Else To Worry About?
Like that shriking Super Bowl window?
Like the rapid decline of their superstar runningback?
Like the Defense falling apart because of the performance enhanced showboats injuries?
Just to name a few…
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by imknowdummy on Apr 3, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like making the playoffs over and over again...
like Bears fans can talk trash to the Chargers.
Philip Rivers KILLS Jay Cutler.
Their whole TEAM KILLS Jay Cutler…and the Bears for that matter.
AFC will always be superior.
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by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Apr 3, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AFC west fans should be dancing in the streets
In Chicago there is a mutual butt kissing society between Orton and the media and a certain segment of fans unable to think for themselves.
He is possibly the most overrated player in recent Chicago sports history.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 5, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last i checked
this was a bears thread that random chargers fans jumped into to bash cutler.
the bandwagon has made you too bold, methinks. which team has won a superbowl? da bears. which teams has been to a superbowl in the past decade? da bears.
my suggestion? stop living vicariously through the other AFC teams that know how to win superbowls (broncos included) and just be happy that your team has one less franchise qb in its division.
by Cubinator on Apr 6, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AFC will always be superior.
One of the most silly things said in this entire debate.
The Chargers have shown that you can have great quarterbacks and still suck. Starting with John Hadl and Dan Fouts and they sucked. They have 3 receivers in the hall of fame and no running backs and that is why they sucked. With LT they will finally get a running back in the HOF. But they have shown that you need to have a combination of air and ground attack to win. With Cutler and Forte the Bears will have the kind of offense they haven’t had since Billy Wade was throwing to Johnny Morris and Harlon Hill.
If you go by some of the arguments in this thread you’d think that if a QB doesn’t take the team to the Super Bowl he was terrible. Neither Hadl nor Fouts took the Chargers to the Super Bowl. Neither one of them sucked. They were great QBs and maybe Cutler will be a very good one.
Now go home trash talking twits.
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by bubbamike the one and only on Apr 7, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best thing about Cutler...
…is that he is from Santa Claus, Indiana. Maybe his motivation for becoming a pro QB was to avoid a lifetime of toiling in one of those open-all-year Christmas ornament stores…anything to avoid being forced to listen to Bing Crosby every day, for the rest of your life.
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by LaddieRenfroe on Apr 3, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can think of worse things than Bing Crosby 24/7...
… I’ll get back to you on exactly what they are, though.
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by BeerCub on Apr 4, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jersey
They just showed him holding up the jersey. This erases the disappointment of not getting to go to New York this weekend.
I am giddy.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 3, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Next Steps
Going to move on from this whole argument for or against Cutler. My stance can be noted through my posts. Cutler isn’t going to do everything by himself, but I fully believe it was the right move at a price I can live with. For all the people talking about “Cutler is a loser”, the fact remains that he didn’t have much of a supporting cast around him in Vanderbilt or Denver, and he made that offense much better than it should’ve been. His 4th Quarter QB rating was usually fine. His interception to attempt ratio is fine. He can’t win games by himself, and that’ll be the same thing here. What we do get, as noted above, is one of the top 8 or so QB’s in the league. We get a guy who has a great feel in the pocket, has zip on the outs and the deep ball, thus opening the field up. More importantly, we get a guy who can attack the different planes of the field. Orton couldn’t do that consistently, and that’s why our offense bogged down quite a bit. What do I mean by this? Some QB’s are very systematic in going through progressions/reads. I’m not saying tunnel vision here, but it’s very automatic for them. After going through them, they reach a point where they attack. With Cutler, we get a guy who can go through and attack all points of the field at the same time. He’s one of the best QB’s in the league at that.
So, what’s next? We need to provide him the strong offensive base. The first and foremost thing is what he lacked in Denver last year – run game consistency. With a healthy Kevin Jones, I have better faith in that, although a young runner would be nice. We need a downfield, jumpball type WR to go with Hester. We have our guy to attack the seam (Olsen) and a nice safety valve in Clark.
Looking at the team
Offensively -
The OL is as good as it’s going to get. Omiyale/Kreutz/Garza, with Beekman/Buenning backuping up is fine for the interior. Great? Probably not. But fine. Pace/Williams/Shaffer is fine for the outside. As it’s been shown in recent years, talent on the OL is important, but consistency is just as important. We’ve got to keep the guys healthy.
TE is set, as is RB/FB. WR is the big offensive need. Holt would be a nice acquisition, but what we really need is a big target on the edge. I’m not saying we shouldn’t go after Holt – we should go after anyone we can get our hands on to upgrade. I think Bennett will be fine out of the slot. Two guys to watch for in the 2nd round would be Mohamed Massaquoi and Ramses Barden. One other option is for the Bears to basically make Olsen a WR and split him out. He has the ability to fill a role. Yes, everyone wants a lead receiver, but the reality is, unless we traded for one, we weren’t landing that player this year (granted, I do have dreams of spinning a 2nd and a later pick for Braylon Edwards (the rumored price was 2nd/5th/Steve Smith), but that’s unlikely. If you don’t have a lead receiver, you look for skillsets to fill what you lack, IMO. Now, Holt is nice. I don’t know how I feel about Matt Jones or Plaxico Burress. On the one hand, both can help us win soon, but you’d like the team to have some sort of standard, I think. Add in both are likely to face suspensions, I don’t know. I guess I’d consider it, but it would only come with huge provisions (low contract, some sort of behavior clause, and so forth … this is assuming that they aren’t in jail).
The bigger issue now is actually defense. Cutler can make our WR’s better. He can make our whole offense better, but he did that in Denver, making Eddie Royal look better than he was, and making average talent better. He didn’t have a defense to lean on.
DL – The interior is fine. We aren’t going to find better, not in a draft that is weak defensively on the interior. Marcus Harrison is a nice “wave” guy, able to play a little 3-tech, some nose. Adams was solid. Another depth piece is a thought, but we’re going to live and die with what we have there. I’d like a young DPR to groom (Designated pass rusher), but the DPR can be found later.
LB – Urlacher needs to be covered at this stage of his career, and I hope the coaches know that. He lacks the range and ability he used to have, and I worry about him in the middle. Maybe that means playing the safeties closer to the middle to cut off responsibility for the deep drops. I don’t know, but he has to be covered. That said, with the contracts we have, at best, LB is only going to be looked at late.
CB – I’d like another CB. Actually, going back to Vandy wouldn’t be the worst thing. DJ Moore is slipping a bit. That said, using a 2nd on a CB seems iffy. Corey Graham is solid, but Vasher seems to be in the doghouse. If Vasher is himself, it’s a nice threesome, and we can find a guy to groom.
S – This is our other big need. We need that stud FS. I’m not a big fan of Bullocks, but he might be okay as the centerfielder. I know the Bears are rumored high on Rashad Johnson, who is sort of similar to Mike Brown, although not the hitter. A guy I really like is Louis Delmas, but it’s not certain he’ll be there in the 2nd for us.
So .. I think with the 2nd/3rd, we should be going WR/S in some order. After that, I’d like to see us add a DL piece. Drafting a QB can’t be ruled out if the value is right, but it’d have to be great value.
by toonsterwu on Apr 3, 2009 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't cut Vandy down too much
There are 4 former Vandy players on the Bears now.
by LT on Apr 4, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ability to produce talent
doesn’t make for a great team/program. Furthermore, as I’ve consistently said, Vandy became a better program because of Cutler, and Earl Bennett and Chris Williams were two guys that came after him.
by toonsterwu on Apr 4, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the player that had a record of
11-35 while at Vandy with some of the loses coming to divison 1-AA teams? A better program because of him? They only made a bowl last year because there are too many bowls. They had a 6-6 record last year. Also, his record in the pros is 17-20 with zero playoff appearances.
by LT on Apr 4, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at vandy before him
and look at how they got more competitive with him there. look at how they’ve gotten better talent since his time there. again, we’re talking vandy and the SEC here. Do you remember Vandy in the 1990’s?
by toonsterwu on Apr 5, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyhow, after seeing your above comment on Cutler
I’ll probably leave this alone. Seems clear you simply want to take the media spin on the negatives of Cutler. I know he has faults – all players do, including the best. Go back and watch some games of Cutler and watch how he made the whole team better. Actually, if you can, go pull up Vandy games from a long time ago and compare them to Cutler’s time there. Again, Vandy … it’s not exactly a hotbed for sports.
by toonsterwu on Apr 5, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vandy has never been confused as a hotbed for sports
Their best cheers go something to the effect of “who cares about football we are going to be your boss some day”. Cutler was the best QB they ever had that I can remember, but even with him they were most still your fathers Vandy. Now he gets a new chance with the Bears. Hopefully his win/loss record will be better in his new home.
by LT on Apr 5, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually the best cheer is
“who ya wit?”
“VU!”
weak, i know.
cutler has definitely increased the exposure of the program, which is not something that should be overlooked. the number of pro caliber prospects they turn out each year is definitely headed in the right direction.
by Cubinator on Apr 6, 2009 4:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...Kevin Jones?
Need for a young runner?
The Bears happen to have a guy named Matt Forte.
They have another guy named Garrett Wolfe (who would be a LOT better if the coaching staff actually knew how to use him *cough*notupthegut*cough*)
They dont need to draft RB or FB.
by northernsails on Apr 5, 2009 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to add another young runner, yes
I’m not a Garrett Wolfe fan, and what I really would like is a short-yardage back to ease the wear and tear on Forte. Jones isn’t really that power, in between the tackle guy.
by toonsterwu on Apr 5, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the point of having Pace and Cutler.
With a QB who can throw the ball, play-action becomes that much more effective. A QB that can throw the ball downfield and force opposing defenses to account for the pass as well as the run and not load the box with 8 men. Forte will be fine, as will Wolfe if Lovie learns how to use him properly.
by northernsails on Apr 5, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OUCH is all I can say when I read this link
http://www.bearshistory.com/lore/chicagobearsquarterbacks.aspx
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If ever the "Punky QB" was applicable it is here with Cutler.
In the most negative use of the term. Still, a great arm/talent that the Bears have not had. (Million $ talent — 2 cent maturity.) Let’s give him a good running game and we should have a great offense.
by DudeVf11 on Apr 4, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what is interesting
is that, prior to this incident, there were very few questions about his leadership. Sure, there were moments he got emotional on the field, but almost all the information prior to this, from his Vandy days to now, was that he was an excellent leader who his teammates believed in (Brad Biggs has a quote from a former Denver coach on his blog that agrees with that assertion).
by toonsterwu on Apr 4, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things now remain
(1) They have to find at least one more guy to throw the ball to that can actually catch it.
(2) They still have to find a real O-coordinator, not one that thinks running 6 yard routes on 3rd and 10 is a good thing.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Apr 4, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
#2
Lets see what Turner does now that he has a QB he can show confidence in. Remember what Turner did when Erik Kramer was taking snaps for us
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 4, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I think the coverage of his response to Denver fiasco
…can be somewhat distorted, but in general it doesn’t reflect well of him.
That said, it’s a move I never expected the Bears to make and I won’t second guess them for a second because they actually went out and acquired a proven NFL QB, one who is above average, young, has a great arm, accurate, etc…I am more impressed with the move itself than I am of who they acquired because the Bears have been so set in their ways that the QB doesn’t matter, just need a guy who doesn’t lose games B.S., and frankly we are too cheap to pay top $ for proven QBs….Now the Bears have drafted QBs in the first round and were reluctant to admit their mistakes on McClown and Grossman when it was obvious even to the casual fan. So given the Bears abysmal track record at projecting QBs I am elated that the Bears decided to go after someone that the league has already determined is above average.
So even if Cutler turns out to be a cancer in the making, a whiner, an excuse maker, a guy who cannot take the extreme media scrutiny to which he will now be subjected, which I hope that he does not, I still think this was a great acquisition because of the change in mindset for the organization that it reflects.
by DudeVf11 on Apr 5, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People will quickly forget the "fiasco" which was created by Denver
I have to admit that I’ve been a devoted Bronco’s hater since my family moved to Colorado from Chicago in 1980. But two things to consider:
1. Would you trust a male owner who wears a womens fur coat – on the sidelines???
2. You gotta laugh at the sheer hypocrisy of their fans and media calling Cutler a “Cry Baby”.
They conveniently forget that their Christ-like figure John Elway pulled a genuine Cry Baby
move coming out of college in 1983 when he said he would sit out a year rather than play for
the Baltimore Colts and demanded that his rights be traded to the Broncos.
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by Bears31765 on Apr 6, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK Cubbie, I'll give you that
…and I hope you’re right. This clown just pisses me off to no end.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Apr 5, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so as well
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 5, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of comparisons
Trading Orton for Cutler is like the Cubs trading Theriot for Jeter in his prime.
Losing Cutler for the Broncos is as bad as losing Maddux was for the Cubs.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 5, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Two additional benefits to having cutler
1) He’ll make hester olson and forte better. Hester was doing a good job of getting behind defenses last year but would outrun orton’s arm in the process. Now he has a QB w/ a big enough arm to make those deep passes. Olson will be better because now he will get better throws letting him turn upfeild and break tackles, and allows him to run a deep out. Forte will get better since teams would be stupid to put 8 in the box with culter’s arm and hester’s speed, he had a very good season last year despite being the main target of the opposing defense.
2) True we have no really good WR, but if you were a really good WR would you sign w/ the bears last year. By filling this hole it’ll make signing verteren receivers much easeir.
I 'm starting to hate the NL West
by jds2 on Apr 5, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder is Moose's comment about
Chicago is where WRs go to die had anything to do with Angelo getting a true QB
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 5, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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