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Am I nuts? (Wait, don't answer that ...)

We're not even 10 percent of the way into the season and I'm already reading posts about people accepting the "fact" that the Cubs might not make it into the postseason. I simply can't accept that. It flies in the face of logic and common sense.

Is anybody else sharing this feeling that this team could be done? If you are, I think you must have just started following baseball. But what do I know.

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No, you're not nuts...

I think it’s just that a lot of people are frustrated right now and sort of preparing for the worst.

That being said though, it IS still early and there is still time to sort things out and make a run.

I just don’t think it’s going to be as easy as it seemed last year. On the other hand, if we have to fight our way into post season, maybe it’ll make us better in the long run.

by bluekoolaide on Apr 25, 2009 12:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I think many of us ( i know i did) expected us to win the division in nothing short of a cake walk. Thus, we are more likely to overreact when we struggle early. We are by no means out of it and I still bet we win this division, but it is not going to be that is. We may have gotten a good dose of reality early on.

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by MJMars on Apr 25, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seemed easy last year?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 25, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember last year

as a long stomache-ache punctuated by moments of terror and joy.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2008 Phillies

Look no further than the 2008 Phillies they were 7-8 after 15 games last year. I’m sure we could go back on Phillies blogs and find people ‘giving up’ on their season, not only after 15 games but all throughout the year. The internet is just a magnet for negativity.

Very very few teams go from wire to wire. We were spoiled last year, did they go 4 months without even losing 3 in a row?

Every team will face adversity. Hopefully the Cubs can pull it together. Everything was just going fine on Tuesday night, I refuse to belive that 3 games later this team is suddenly doomed.

by jeff_pico on Apr 25, 2009 12:23 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

LOL

People here were flipping out on blogs and talk radio about the Phillies start last season. They have always started slow. They are calm about the slow start this season. Guess winning the world series does that.

by PhillyCub on Apr 25, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 10000000

All these doomsday posts are going to look mighty foolish come October.

To all the dipshits who think that baseball in April means no postseason for the Cubs, get your head out of your ass. The Padres are playing +.500 baseball, for Christ’s sake. By your standards, they’re going to win the World Series.

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on Apr 25, 2009 12:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't appreciate you referring to my post

In general I meant that if we make it to October or not I will still follow the Cubs.

The general posts of people lately are all complaining. They are arm-chair managers.

When I said I accept that Cubs might not make it to post season is that I am happy to accept that any year and it won’t take away me enjoyment of watching Cubs on TV when I can. I live in CT, I get Cubs maybe 2 or 3 times a week on TV and I watch them every inning when that happens.

I just think lately that the back to back post season appearances have spoiled the fans. They seem to expect us to win every game and when we lose 1 it’s the worst thing in the world.

by ak123 on Apr 25, 2009 1:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for misinterpreting your intent

Actually, I agree with everything you’ve said in this post.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 25, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem

And thank you for taking the time to see what I wrote.

by ak123 on Apr 25, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

do you walk around with a top hat, a monocle and a walking stick? If so, you might be nuts. You also might be Mr. Peanut.

But no, there is no reason to think the Cubs are doomed after an 8-7 record after 15 games. Jeez, you’d think we’d have lost more games than we had won.

by Josh77 on Apr 25, 2009 2:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My new take

My new take is looking at it this way. We’re not playing as well as we will and we’re not hitting all cylinders and we’re 8-7.

Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 25, 2009 4:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I said it during the game thread

There may not be an uglier sight in sports than an entire baseball team slumping at the same time. It is demoralizing.

I think some fans are overreacting to it.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Apr 25, 2009 6:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said

In my own way I’ve said the same thing, but about specific players. We’ll be watching the game and I’ll say to my wife, “Man, when Derrek Lee is in a slump he looks about 80 years old” or “When Soriano goes cold he looks totally clueless up there”. Ugly, indeed.

by CaliCub on Apr 25, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be nuts....but not about this...

…I think the Cubs popularity (and this sites as well) brings with it a multitude of younger naive "baseball" fans. Baseball is a long long season with endless ups and downs. It’s what makes the game so great.

That being said, Its really early, this team has left a staggering number of RISP so far, which will not continue and the more than likely Lee and Milton will be slugging sooner than later.

This team faced ZERO adversity last season and I think we all know what that produced when it mattered. It seems that the teams that have some tougher times during the season are more prepared for the challenges of the postseason

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by JB 23 on Apr 25, 2009 7:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This team faced ZERO adversity last season?

That’s a staggering bit of selective memory.

I recall Carlos Marmol in full meltdown mode just prior to the All-Star break. I remember Kosuke Fukudome shrinking into a whirling futility machine in the second half of the season. I recall Derrek Lee hitting into a staggering number of double plays. Alfonso Soriano got hit on the hand in June and went on the DL with a fractured finger. Bob Howry became a gas can and a target for fan anger and abuse not seen since LaTroy Hawkins. Felix Pie and his long swing entered Lou’s doghouse, precipitating the need to gamble on an aging veteran as CF backup. And on and on…

They faced plenty of adversity, and they overcame it. We gathered from this that they would overcome adversity every single time, and when they didn’t it was blamed on a lack of left-handed hitting. To claim that the Cubs lost in the postseason because they were not conditioned to face difficulty is a stretch of incredible proportions. Just my two cents.

"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome

by Goodie1969 on Apr 25, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your right, I am having some selective memory.....although some of those events you mention

…are just part of a baseball season. Regardless, last years team just seemed always keep rolling though those things and winning, which of course was a good thing. But as one poster mentioned above, this team was spoiled in a sense last year, they never got swept and basically went wire to wire. I think they attributed to them losing focus in September and that is what I remember most.

This years team is going to have to overcome quite a bit it appears now and hopefully that will weather them for the storm so to speak.

New sig currently under construction

by JB 23 on Apr 25, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the rays swept the cubs

It's not about money. It's about winning and getting over the hump. We've had the appetizer now, but we left the main course on the table.
-rod beck

by laidbackliam on Apr 26, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your first graph doesn't agree with your second

Its not some fantastic, wild delusion that the Cubs might not make the post-season. It’s also radically different than being “done.”

by ol Pete on Apr 25, 2009 7:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said...

It is a fact that the Cubs might not make the postseason. It is also a fact that they might make the postseason.

This team has a high ceiling, but also has introduced much more risk by decreasing the depth and adding an injury-prone player.

There’s a huge difference between being concerned with where things are right now and thinking the team is done. These are things Not Bruce Froemming has never seemed to be good at distinguishing.

by SouthernCub on Apr 25, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno about you...

…but I literally look forward to the ship-jumping posts after every big loss. I find it very funny. I attribute more and more of these to the fact that SBN paired up with Yahoo!. I’m not sure if that’s accurate, but how else can we explain the rapid increase of these types of diaries?

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 25, 2009 7:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Correction:

Not diaries from you, Bruce, you know what I mean. Damnit.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 25, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hang in there NBF

While I have my doubts about the club (when DON’T I have doubts about the club?) there’s plenty of time left for the Cubs to take control of things.

The lack of a strong bench is hurting the team now, and the gamble that is Milton Bradley isn’t paying off at the moment. We can only hope Bradley gets healthy soon and guys like Miles and Gathright find their way. Maybe someone will soon be available on the waiver wire the way Jim Edmonds was last year.

But what I think will continue to hurt the Cubs throughout the season is the lack of a solid supply of talented minor leaguers that can come up and fortify the team. While the system has provided Theriot, Soto, Marmol, and Marshall among others, it’s not the caliber of the Angels’ or Twins’ systems where solid young players keep coming through the pipeline. Good youngsters are also handy when it comes time to trade for established talent (see the Brewers and C.C. Sabathia).

The Cubs have done a lot to change their ways and run themselves properly. They spend money, they value OBP, and they put people in charge that badly want to win. But one more thing they still need to do is expand the scouting staff and create a top-notch farm that churns out top-notch products.

by CaliCub on Apr 25, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're not nuts

you’re just not one of those nervous nellies (as I refer to them) so it allows you to see the big picture.

Yeah, the starting pitching hasn’t always been there.
Yeah, the Cubs best reliever lost the game last night.
Yeah, they don’t have the roster flexibility they should have.

Yeah, yeah, yeah…or should I say yadda, yadda, yadda.

And IMO, the big picture is:

THERE ARE 147 GAMES YET TO BE PLAYED !!

That’s the best point because – as I stated in previous posts – Lou is taking a bit of the stance he did in early 2007; an extended spring training. He’s gonna see what works and what doesn’t work. Hendry will then have to make roster adjustments.

They’re NOT in the ALE where a slow start can doom them for the post season. They’re in the NLC where honestly I can’t see another 90-win team.

Lot’s of variables here folks. And don’t discount the affect of the economy on other teams. That could be huge and really help the Cubs, however…

The only thing that could hold up changes in 2009 as opposed to 2007 is the soap-opera we all know as the sale of the Chicago National League Ballclub.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Apr 25, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

cubs 09

in my opinion this team did not get better due to monetary constraints.they let wood go because they had marmol in the wings and yet they give the job to gregg.theybasically sold derosa to free up money to get bradley.and after 15 games he is hurt and in trouble with mlb already.and we have no bench.that said this is still a good team when the players perform. october is a long way off but the cards are looking really badass.always the wild card.

by NOMAR on Apr 25, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My name is Cubbie-Tim

and I approve this post

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 25, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The truth is

The Cubs might not make the playoffs. In fact, once you account for the Cards hot start (those games can’t be taken away), and the Cubs weak start, then there is probably less than 50% chance of them making it.

Think about it this way. If you thought that the Cubs were a 95 win team going into the season, meaning that they were a .586 winning percentage team, then you have to facor the “slow” start into that. Right now, the Cubs have 8 wins, with 146 games remaining. So if you still think that they are a .586 winning percentage team, meaning that nothing has changed so drastically that you think that they are a worse team than you originally projected, than they “should” win 85.5 of their remaining games. Add that to their current wins, and the Cubs are now only projected to be a 93.5 win team.

Now say that you thought that the Cards were an 87 win team before the season started (at least that’s what I thought). That means that they would have had a .537 winning percentage. The Cards have already won 13 games, with 144 remaining. So if you still think that they are the same team that they were before the season started, then they would be expected to win 77.3 of their remaining games. Add that to the wins that they already have, and the Cards are now projected to be a 90.3 win team.

So, hot and cold starts do matter. The fact that the Cubs have been playing poorly, and the Cards have been playing very well, may not change how you fell about the two clubs due to the small sample size. However, it does have an affect on how many wins those two clubs could get. If you figure that the projected records are now only separated by around 3 games, then you have to acknowledge the fact that the Cubs aren’t a lock to win the division anymore. They now are only slight favorites.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2009 2:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

fact is

right now any team can make or miss the playoffs

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, except the Nationals.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 26, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

technically they can

no one is mathmatically eliminated yet

but common sense does say otherwise

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They might not be mathematically eliminated...

but there is a clause in the MLB Constitution that says they have to suck until the Pirates make the post-season again.

by znohitter on Apr 26, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

forever

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if this............

doesn’t make clear to most here that don’t believe that April is important nothing will

If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.

by Clutche on Apr 26, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm really glad I took the weekend off from BCB.

I bet the game threads were bloody.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Apr 26, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

today's

were FINE.

:D

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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