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So, watching today's game, I thought, well, Lou's done with Gathright after the pickoff.  Then, when he left Patton in to reap the Pujols, I thought, "Will we trade to keep Patton or just send him back?"  I think Lou's tired of playing baseball with a roster that has several holes where he just doesn't trust those guys.

Star-divide

There was a lot of good conversation about the roster construction in the recap thread for yesterday's game and since those fall off the main page so quickly, I thought I'd at least add a link to that page, if not also adding something constructive (or maybe just a poll).

One thing that's in my mind is that you can fix the depth problem in the bench if we can find a way to make two swaps similar to the following:  Dump the speedy/defensive OF in Gathright, replacing him with a speedy/defensive IF.  My favorite option there has been and remains Maicer Izturis, who can play 3B, SS, and 2B very well.  Ideally, he could be had in a deal where the main piece is Micah Hoffpauir, because I'd rather use his roster spot for a 4 corners guy, maybe Fernando Tatis could be had for the right price.  (He's not LH, but he's got fairly even splits on his career.) 

Better yet, would be to keep Micah and cut the 'pen by a reliever, you know that one that Lou only trots out once a week when the scores are separated by a touchdown.  I think if anyone could be convinced to go to 11 pitchers, it would be Lou in the current situation we are in now if only he'd find a long, long reliever he likes.

Anyway, the good take away from this game was that Fontenot looked good enough to me at 3B in limited action.  Maybe he really can hold that spot down and make some of the rest of the bench complications less complicated.  What do you guys think - of Fontenot at 3B, of the bench, and of who's the next to go?

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Which current Cub is next to go the way of the Viz?
Neal Cotts
77 votes
Joey Gathright
97 votes
David Patton
52 votes
Other
7 votes

233 votes | Poll has closed

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Gathright

has got to go. I don’t understand what he brings to this team, especially with either Kosuke or RJ on the bench. ESPECIALLY if he’s going to get picked off. Furthermore, he is the older version of Felix Pie, so I was really baffed by this signing. Bring back Jimmy Edmonds!

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Apr 25, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know that last part

isn’t so far fetched. I’m not sure of his conditioning though.

Anyone else know how good a shape Jimmy Ballgame is in right now?

It’s getting close to the time of the year when the Cubs acquired him in 2008.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Apr 26, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to mlbtr...

Edmonds will need 2-3 weeks after he is signed. Signing him will do nothing to help this team immediately, and I question whether or not he would provide any long-term help either. I think he is done.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband

by Ross on Apr 26, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would offer a Minor League contract

and see what he has left while he is in Iowa, without being stuck with a guaranteed MLB price tag

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing that I keep remembering

is that Edmonds attributed his slow start last year in SD to not doing his regular prep work in spring training because of an injury. Well, we know he hasn’t done his regular work this year. What if we sign him, watch him take 3 weeks to get ready then have to wait another 4 weeks before he starts hitting. Will Lou really be patient that long?

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on Apr 26, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hence seeing what he has in Iowa

that can be a tryout as well as ST for him in one. He can then either earn a call up, or make a personal choice about his future

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really think

that Edmonds would agree to spend time in Iowa? This is a 15 yr major league player. You think he is going to go to Iowa? Nope. My guess is that he will just stay home.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Apr 27, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how else does he get game ready?

has seen 0 live pitches since October, no team will throw himinto the line up right out the gate

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 27, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference...

… between not doing regular work because he was hurt, and not doing regular work because he wasn’t signed and in camp.

It would definitely be worth a signing. Just like last year, if he sucks just cut him.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 26, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to believe that he's done.

He hit right-handed pitching awfully hard last year.

Wouldn’t you like to see him fail just a little bit before writing him off?

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by D98 on Apr 27, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I agree that gathright should be the one to go and I love the stats Jim Edmonds put up for the team last year but are problem is back up infielders,, Fontenot can play back up third but we need a second baseman of the bench. Edmonds does not present that.

by cooltrev on Apr 26, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou can't do anything

With Cotts until he gets another lefty. Try out Shark in the 5 spot in the rotation to get another lefty in the pen. Dump Patton.

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti

by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 25, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jason Waddell is available.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 25, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that

Jack
derv
@themightycub

by derv on Apr 25, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Dynamite drop in, Monty!"

That broadcast school really paid off! :) :-p

(Not making fun of you. Just really like that movie…)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 25, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monday is Joey Gathrights birthday

I know this because its also my birthday. That would suck to get DFA’d on your birthday.

He really looked like a chump today getting picked off. He’s not the only Cub to get picked off in the past week though. Fontenot and Soriano have been picked off in recent games.

The thing that really sucks about Gathright getting picked off is that the Cubs had shifted the momentum. There were no outs- Theriot and Kouske coming up and the Cubs were only down 2 at that point. Whatever life was left in the Cubs got sucked out of them in that inning.

Sorry to say it but it doesn’t look like Patton or Cotts are going anywhere anytime soon.

Patton ices the cake by loading the bases and then does Cardinals fans a favor by throwing the cherry at Pujols for the top of their cake. They didn’t need those runs to win.

I wouldn’t have even used Cotts at that point. The Cubs were well out of the game. Patton needs experience.

by bdoubleu on Apr 25, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For the record...

For the record, I think Soriano’s was on a play that SHOULD be a balk (the “RHP fake throw to an unoccupied 3rd” that for some unknown reason is unofficially “legal”). It’s a BS move that isn’t specifically addressed in the rulebook, but nonetheless—I think—violates the letter and spirit of rules concerning “deception” (most plays involving faking to 3rd do so).

I can’t for the life of me figure out why MLB hasn’t done anything about its emergence yet…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 25, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not about the throw to third.

It’s about the ability of the runner to pick up on the key body movements that indicate the intention of the pitcher. The reason the MLB regulates pitchers movements is to maintain a balance between the advantages of the runners/defense.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 27, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's emergence?

I recall in my earlier years seeing the Red Baron do it several times. This is not something that is new to baseball…whether it is legal or not is another argument entirely.

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Apr 26, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I've read/heard...

from people in the game, it’s become a much more common method. That’s what I meant by emergence, as opposed to its “creation.” At least, it’s become common enough that a lot of people within the game now think it should be banned. Even BBTN had a segment on it not to long ago…

But you’re right, I was not intending to say that it is new; just that it’s much more widely used than it used to be…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 27, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gathright has zero value.

The only thing he can really contribute is speed. But he got picked off today, and almost got picked off yesterday — so if he can’t pinch run, then what purpose does he serve?

I’m 100% in favor of bringing Jim Edmonds back. For those who say “well what do you do with him when Bradley is healthy?” To that I say, A) you’re silly for assuming Bradley will be healthy, and B) let’s have too many good players then as opposed to too many bad players now.

by kanderber on Apr 25, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Edmonds thing

I know Al mentioned it but I totally disagree with it.

Are ya’ll forgetting that early and often Lou would provide pinch running for Edmonds last year? Yes the guy had some hustle left, made a few doubles happen… but he is old and he definitely isn’t going to be able to step in to pinch run for anybody.

Get rid of Gathright, maybe, but don’t bring in someone whose legs are about to fall off and expect results.

If MB goes on the DL, then bring in Edmonds to replace his spot. That’s the only way I see that move working.

by bdoubleu on Apr 25, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone is advocating Edmonds...

because of his baserunning ability, or lack there of.

I think it more has to do with the fact that he was the Cubs best hitter last year.

by kanderber on Apr 25, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was called goofy,

or my thoughts were called goofy when I said this teams chemistry reminds me of the 2005-2006 teams, and IMO the way the team was put together was awful. After the NLDS last year it seems like upper management felt it was time to change the makeup of the team that failed in the post season twice in a row.

The only move I liked over the offseason was the signing of Bradley and the trade with Marquis. I thought Marshall deserved a chance to start.

I’ve always been a fan of Derrek Lee and he has always been a tremendous leader and person in his time here with the Cubs — but he looks like he’s pushing 40 out there. I mean his bat speed is ALOT slower than what it was in 2004-2006 .. and I don’t know if that has to do with his wrist or just the fact that he’s getting older. The team is really built around him and Ramirez to succeed. But the fact of the matter is — is that Lee hasn’t performed at a franchise player level since his contract year and he’s almost a black hole hitting 3rd, 4th, and 5th. He’s batting off reputation not off performance.

Aramis Ramirez is the franchise player and I know that Soriano is being paid the most but he is not a better overall player than Ramirez. He should be hitting 3rd and Soto (when he gets out of the slump he’s in) should be hitting 5th.

As far as the signings/trades I didn’t like .. the whole DeRosa thing was my biggest issue. He was the MVP of the team at various moments in 2007 and 2008. Letting Kerry Wood go was a mistake. Trading Ceda for Gregg was a mistake in my opinion.

And that leads me to answering the diaries question — I think Gathright needs to go first. I don’t care how many cars he jumps… he is just a waste of space on the bench. Patton needs to go also.

Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008

by Unique on Apr 25, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

First things first – to be clear, the poll above is a prediction poll – who do you think will go first, not who should go first. I hoped we’d hash out who should go first down here. Anyone think I need to clarify the poll q?

As for your comments – I think it’s clear Lou doesn’t trust Gathright. I don’t know why we got a player Lou once managed before if Lou wasn’t going to trust him. So, he should go first, I agree.

What’s beginning to become clearer, after reading other comments in Al’s main threads, is that Lou doesn’t seem to trust Miles either, which is a problem.

Maybe there’s just nagging injuries affecting those players and that’s holding them back. We can hope.

As for DLee – I’d like to get confirmation on the bat speed from a professional scout. You aren’t the first to suggest that, but I don’t have the trained eye to confirm or deny it. It would explain a lot, but then if that was the problem, why has Lou shown such trust for Derrek?

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on Apr 25, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My question was

we signed Miles for alittle less money than what DeRosa was owed.. so why in the hell did we trade DeRosa? And sorry for not answering your question properly.

Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008

by Unique on Apr 25, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa was traded to let LBR start everyday

MIles was signed to replace LBR on the bench

neither have not worked as well as expected so far

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 25, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Tim here.

I think that DeRosa was traded because he’s not LH.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on Apr 26, 2009 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realized the question might not be clear

I’m just not sure how to re-word it.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on Apr 26, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And with Lee

I think Lou maybe thinks that with Lee’s talent — it will eventually show. I don’t know.

As for the future… doesn’t Vitters project as a first basemen anyway?

Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008

by Unique on Apr 25, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee's bat speed

There was one game, perhaps it was the Brewers ESPN game where Lee kept getting challenged with fastballs and he was totally unable to catch up. He was making some contact but the commentators were saying that Lee was being thrown fastballs and he could not catch up to them.

by dmlichte on Apr 25, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Derrek Lee plays like he is 40 years old

Which is only compounded by the fact that Mike Fontenot is being exposed playing everday and Geovany Soto is trying his damndest to be Rick Wilkins.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cotts is the one to go

but not till they find another lefty arm.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 25, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As noted above...

… Jason Waddell.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 25, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

God I wish we still had Marquis

allowing Marshall to be swing man, and then Cotts is not needed.

I will admit I do not know much about Waddell and have no clue if he is MLB ready or not.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 25, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he is good enough

but I guess it can’t be much worse

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 25, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee

The first thing to do is get Derrek Lee out of the lineup. I’m not advocating dumping him entirely but Hoffpauir at 1B for a few days would be just fine. Lee is offering next to nothing right now in the middle of the lineup and it’s getting much too late in the season to continue his “I’m not worried about me” answer when the reality is that he’s getting closer and closer to a below MLB average hitting 1B. Couple his lack of production with similar lines from Soto, Fontenot and injuries to Ramirez and Bradley and you can see why this stretch has been brutal and will continue awhile longer.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Apr 25, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+6

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 25, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe too many moves to make?

When a team is struggling like the Cubs are it seems like there are actually more areas that need attention than can possibly be addressed. I think it’s brought up in today’s telecast or maybe on a WGN/Comcast but, there is no punch off the Cubs bench. With Ramriez and Bradley out who in the Cub line up has the potential to hit the big homer to get them back in the game? Sadly I don’t think Lee is the big run producer anymore…Soto is not doing it this year—-is his shoulder problems more serious than reported? So that leaves Soriano. Either he is pressing to make up for the absence of Ramriez and Bradley or he gone into one of his cold spells. Could he have swung at 6 worse pitches in his 2nd and 3rd ABs? Guys who could/should go? Gathright (wouldn’t have minded if they got him 4-5 years ago and gave him a shot at proving he was a MLB player), Miles, Patton and Cotts. Miles was a huge downgrade from DeRosa..does he do anything better or even as good as DeRosa? Patton might have a good arm but, with the sporadic work he gets how can be become an effective pitcher? Cotts did actually get a LH hitter out today…but even a blind squirell finds an acorn once in a while. The Angels do have a surplus of IF and maybe the Cubs could get one of them for a reasonable price. For whatever reason management doesn’t seem to like Fox (I trust there is a baseball rational) but, isn’t he hitting around .400 at Iowa? Bradley to the DL and Fox brought up to help out in RF? Do have to say the Cubs caught lighting in a bottle with Edmonds last year but, won’t happen again. Anyone remember when the Cubs tried the same thing with Gary Gaetti several years ago…how did that work out? Enough ramblings from me. Pennants aren’t won in April but, they can be lost if a team gets buried behind too many teams. The Cubs need to shake up a spot or 2 on the roster before the dominos keep falling and can’t be stopped.

by Rkfd Die Hard on Apr 25, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Paragraph breaks are your friend.

That was really hard to read.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 26, 2009 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox plays RF worse

than Hoffpauir, and Hoffpauir is a butcher.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cotts is horrible, Patton doesn't belong

That’s 2 positions in the bullpen that are wasted. I said from the beginning that if the Cubs really do like Patton then get on the phone with Colorado and engineer a damned trade!! It’s ridiculous that a playoff aspirational team is wasting a roster spot on a single A pitcher in 2009. And damned inexcusable that Neal Friggin Cotts is the only damned left-hander in the pen on a team with a $140 million payroll.

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was too early

To worry about performance of players, to start shuffeling the lineup, to start talknig about making roster substactions and additions?

The Cubs lose 4 in a row, and now suddenly it is not too early, even for (what, me worry?) Al, to start suggestion roster changes, etc.

Posters have been saying these things for the better of a week, obviously, they saw some weaknesses that are now showing up with a couple injuries and some bad hitting.

by letsplay2two on Apr 25, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Worry over the roster composition has existed since spring training

Nobody felt good about how the Cub bullpen or bench was shaping up since the offseason. This isn’t irrational panicking after 16 games.

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some of it is.

But clearly, this team needs some bench help.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 26, 2009 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

joey

if we release gathright that will be the 3rd player we have to pay for nothing.gaudin gets a check along with vizciano.we trade a semi reliable 5th starter for this guy and release him.that was stupid

by NOMAR on Apr 26, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well

arent we also paying part of marquis?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indirectly, yes.

Taking Vizcaino’s deal was part of that cost. If someone else takes him, or if the Cubs can trade him in the next 7 days, they might be off the hook for all or part of that deal.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 26, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My 2/5ths of a nickel:

Swap Cotts for Waddell.
Swap Gathright for Jake Fox.
Dump a bottle of Tabasco sauce in Lou’s coffee.
Wait a week.

by znohitter on Apr 26, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hoff > Fox

as an all around player….and that is not saying much for either

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we had the DH, I'd agree with you.

But we don’t.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 26, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm not too keen on him in the field...

But it’s not like Gathright has gotten much time there. And Gathright isn’t hitting when Lou puts him in as a PH. I think Fox is worth a look, if only o see if he can keep his bat hot in Chicago.

by znohitter on Apr 26, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Case for Joey Gathright

I was originally bullish on Gathright’s role with the Cubs. I hoped that the influence of Gerald Perry would make Gathright into this year’s Theriot – a high OBP singles hitter, with an important exception – Joey Gathright has exceptional defensive value as well. That defensive value could be very important for us. Contrary to the general opinion around here, Reed Johnson is not a good CF, he’s stretched there, with UZR/150 giving him -13.6 score last year. His hitting against LHP justifies him playing there in a platoon, but against RHP, Johnson in CF is a net loss for us.
That Lou is playing Fukudome in RF when RJ plays suggests that the early returns on Dome in CF are worse than that.
So, the case for Gathright is that he should be playing CF for us, not just as a late-inning defensive replacement, but also starting from time to time in bigger parks, especially when a flyball pitcher is on the mound.
That case, however, is entirely negated if Lou won’t use Gathright that way.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on Apr 26, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In answer to a question sure to be in someone's mind - Jim Edmonds does not help matters.

Last year he was a -23.3 by UZR/150.

You know who just might work, though, and be available is Melky Cabrera.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on Apr 26, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melky Cabrera...

… like most Yankee “prospects”, is overrated.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 26, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, having lost the CF job this year, and also stuck behind Nick Swisher for OF playing time

that overratedness may finally have worn off. I see him as fringy starting CF, more of a 4th OF, and I think that would make him a really good, affordable option for us.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on Apr 26, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The key is "affordable".

The Yankees always overvalue guys like this, so they’d probably ask for far more than he’s worth.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 26, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right - what do the Yankees think of him? - is the key question.

I think they’re cooling on the guy after last year’s disappointing season. Plus their bullpen is currently worse than ours. I can hope that a Vizcaino-Fox package could net Cabrera, can’t I? At least for another few days…

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on Apr 26, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

…. I’d probably do that, if only because Vizcaino is already done as a Cub, and Fox is a DH.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 26, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees have prospects?

I didn’t realize they had a farm system. I thought they just signed free agents and occasionally made trades.

by bdoubleu on Apr 26, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta have

trade bait somewhere..

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by wax eagle on Apr 26, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

You’re right about Reed Johnson. The only defensive position he truly excels at consistently – at least according to UZR – is left field. He’s put up an astounding 43.4/23.8 UZR/UZR 150 over 2,642 innings of work. Miraculous catches aside, he costs teams runs in centerfield and right. That’s why I really wish Lou would get over Soriano’s superstar status and put RJ in left field during late innings. The only real risk of doing so is a runner tagging from third and trying to score, a situation in which Soriano’s arm would likely prove a better weapon.

As awful as Gathright has looked at the plate (which is no surprise) and on the basepaths (which is a surprise, though a very small sample), he’s the only real speed threat on this team and a VERY GOOD defensive centerfielder: 19.1/9.6 UZR/UZR 150 over 2396.2 innings. This is where Lou’s offense mindedness can be a bit frustrating. How many fly balls to the gap could’ve Gathright gotten to in St. Louis? How many might he get to in bigger NL West stadiums?

For this reason, I’d hang on to Gathright for the time being. Jim Edmonds is an interesting idea, but I’m still having trouble seeing how he’d help the team long-term. If I had to drop anyone at this point…geez…I hate to say it but I’d probably pick David Patton. I haven’t given up on him, but he was a long shot to begin with. And, yes, believe it or not, I remain steadfast in my belief that Neal Cotts may be able to turn things around.

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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 27, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

With Cotts and Patton both I wonder if a different usage pattern might be necessary to keep their stuff crisp.

I still have hope that Gathright can be a useful player; it just doesn’t seem like Lou is willing to give him that chance to contribute.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on Apr 27, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

This discussion also reminds me of this very well-written post from late last year on The Royals Review. Joey Gathright has value, but it’s up to Lou to bring that value to the fore. It’s not going to just appear on its own.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Apr 27, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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