Injuries Multiply, But Fukudome Helps Lead Cub Remnants Over Cardinals 10-3
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 4:14 PM CDT
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By the time Derrek Lee left the game in the bottom of the first inning with what was described by Len & Bob as a "neck strain", the Cubs were down to one healthy reserve position player -- Koyie Hill, who eventually did get into the game on a double switch and singled in his first at-bat in 13 days.
But the star of today's 10-3 Cubs blowout of the Cardinals was Kosuke Fukudome, who celebrated his 32nd birthday by going 3-for-4 with a pair of runs scored, his fourth homer of the year and 5 RBI.
Who says the Cubs can't step up when it's most needed? Rich Harden made only a couple of mistakes, both hit for solo homers (if you have to give them up, best with no one on base) and he struck out nine, giving him 37 strikeouts in 21 innings so far this season -- tying him with Johan Santana for the major league lead, despite throwing four fewer innings than Santana.
The Cubs took it right to Todd Wellemeyer in the first inning; the first four Cubs reached base, including D-Lee with a RBI double before he had to leave the game. It appears, as of now, that (like virtually the entire team, it seems) he's day-to-day. Fortunately, word is that Aramis Ramirez and Carlos Marmol could return as soon as tomorrow in Arizona, which would be good news for the offense. That offense could have suffered another blow when Alfonso Soriano was hit in the head by Wellemeyer in the second inning in a play that was eerily reminiscent of the beaning that Sammy Sosa took from Pittsburgh's Salomon Torres almost exactly six years ago, on April 20, 2003. Soriano stayed in the game and later doubled off Wellemeyer and also made several defensive plays with the traditional hop, so he appears to be fine.
Micah Hoffpauir, who subbed for Lee, slammed his second homer of the season off reliever P. J. Walters (wasn't he supposed to be in the Cardinals' rotation?), and Aaron Miles had three hits, raising his average up to the Mendoza Line at .200. All told the Cubs had 14 hits, five for extra bases.
If you are still on the ledge and are in need a couple of bad things to worry about, they're the same things the rest of us have been worrying about -- Joey Gathright pinch-hit and looked bad again, striking out, and Neal Cotts still can't throw strikes, issuing another walk which resulted in the Cardinals' third run (when Lou came out to talk to him while he was facing his first hitter, it appeared to be another "throw freakin' strikes" visit). I wouldn't be surprised if Jason Waddell replaces Cotts soon, maybe even before the series at Arizona.
For the rest of us, think about this: the Cubs denied the Cardinals, the hottest team in the NL, a perfect homestand and have split six games with them so far this season. St. Louis just swept the Mets, who are supposed to be a force in the NL East this year. For a depleted Cub team to play this well and win, I think bodes well for the Arizona series, and it ought to be a pleasant flight for the team this evening to Phoenix. And for me, be happy too. Between batters and innings, I finished both crossword puzzles in the Sunday Tribune magazine. Who says print is dead?
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CUBS WIN!!
Guy at bar: "Do you just like that hat or do you like Chicago?"
Me: "I'm in Love, Obsessed and Addicted to the Chicago Cubs!"
by KC in OK on Apr 26, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So when they win you do REALLY fast recaps ?
When they lose it takes a LONG time . I understand.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Apr 26, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its also Sunday
and as he said, the only other thing he had going on this afternoon was the crossword puzzle…
Maybe Al has a life outside this blog???
by bdoubleu on Apr 26, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Just had some time to start writing in the 8th inning… and it looked pretty safe to write that they had won.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be Careful
Never trust a 7 run lead with two innings to go when playing the Cardinals
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Apr 26, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I would have changed it if they had lost.
But I figured 7 runs was reasonably safe.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and once Cotts was removed
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
by LAcarl519 on Apr 26, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good game
Is anyone listening to the radio post game? They said they’d have a Derrek Lee update.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 26, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles looked better today, which was good.
Micah Hoffpauir’s approach at the plate looks much improved. I have more hope for him.
Hopefully Cotts can build off of getting some LH bats out.
What a difference a 10 run win can make! The biggest positive is that Fukudome has turned our expectations around 180 degrees – just think back to that fanpost the first week of the season…
Get well soon, Derrek!
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on Apr 26, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Miles
can turn into a Riot type hitter, that would be very good.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Fukudome's approach at the plate.
He looks, again, like he did during April and May last year. The #2 spot seems to suit him perfectly.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's stopped corkscrewing, although he still looks gangly
but I love these results
by Emelie on Apr 26, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing to remember
Cardinals only have 6 losses. Half of those are to the Cubs. With 26 days in April the fact is, Cardinals have played better than Cubs. But despite the fact, Cubs have split the series in Cards. We’ll be OK.
Also, I’m convinced that Harden will be healthy all year but will be completely overlooked in Cy Young and be considered the most underrated pitcher in the NL.
by ak123 on Apr 26, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Harden is healthy all year...
…. he won’t be overlooked.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right
By the way, how much did I suck at dropping Fukudome on fantasy the first week of the season :)
by ak123 on Apr 26, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that's why he's doing so well!
Don’t pick him up again!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first pick was Pujols though...
I know I’m disgusted with picking him because he’s a Cardinal but we have to face the facts and I’m in 2nd place in my league (I know it’s early).
by ak123 on Apr 26, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overlooked?
Ol’ Jon and Joe just had a list of ML strikeout leaders with Harden nowhere to be seen….Santana – 37 – Greinke – 36 – Lincecum – 35
Doesn’t Harden have 37?
by kodypuckett23 on Apr 26, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deep breath, everyone.
Great game. DOME ROCKS!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This place is a lot more interesting when the Cubs are losing.
If I wasn’t a Cubs fan, I would only come here to read the ridiculous entertainment that goes on when they are floundering.
That said, I hope the Cubs win all year and this site is happily boring with recaps of great Cubs success and people posting about their cats.
by bdoubleu on Apr 26, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true...
My cat’s breath smells like cat food.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 26, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TMI
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
It sounds more interesting when Ralphie from the Simpsons says it, I guess :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 26, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second pitcher in Arizona
Andy Petit. He’s still playing? We can take that series.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yusmeiro Petit
Replacement while Brandon Webb is on the DL. He’s allowed 5 ER in 10 innings, though he hasn’t been helped by his bullpen at all.
(Andy spells his last name Petitte, I believe; Yusmeiro pronounces his name like “small” in French, I think)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 26, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, well
that explains it. I thought something was wrong about the name.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CUBS WIN.....W FLAG IS UP.........
This is the team we knew could do it….Just a bump in the road,,,,Both offense and defense stepped up….Now it’s onto Az …..And more quality wins ..
by cubs north on Apr 26, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
By going to school near St. Louis
I have the opportunity to watch the Cardinal announcers every now and then, and was watching them with a few Cardinal fan friends of mine today. When Harden hit Pujols, the announcers went nuts, saying how “he was obviously trying to hit him in the previous at bat, and finally he was able to execute team orders” or something along those lines. They also stated how warnings should have been issued, which I would understand, but how “everyone in the stadium must understand how obvious it was that Harden was trying to retaliate for Soriano’s HBP.” Not sure if it was on purpose, but the Cardinal announcers sure knew exactly what was going on in Harden’s head at the time. But it was nice to have a win like this, I hope D-Lee isn’t out for long.
"The finish line is just the start of the next race."
by Sobenergy on Apr 26, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it was on purpose
which is fine. Who knows, maybe something happened last year and the Cubs picked a good time to retaliate.
The only problem is that TLR likes to get into beanball wars, so who knows how this will end up. These teams see each other a lot in the first half of the season.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 26, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden did the right thing.....
After Alfonso got hit in the head Harden needed too and did the right thing by beaming a cardinal batter and Poo Hole was the right one to hit. He didn’t aim for the head or try and brush him back with a high and tight pitch. Harden hit him in the butt. Poo Hole reaction to hit was not necessary and what a sally he needs the trainer to come out after taking a fastball to ass. Nice win today now let’s get a streak going!
"Commit to the Indian!"
by Bpatterson83 on Apr 26, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um...grow up.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um....no
"Commit to the Indian!"
by Bpatterson83 on Apr 26, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...but your going to have a hard time talking with the adults here.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay tool
"Commit to the Indian!"
by Bpatterson83 on Apr 26, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, dear.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What picture is he gonna go with?
A tool shed? I’ve always been partial to the spade.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Apr 26, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just calling it what it is, eh?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you did there.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Apr 26, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meaningful look over the tops of my glasses
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keepin' it classy, eh?
Ok, I’ll do the dumb thing and jump in.
It’s “bean”, not “beam”; this isn’t Star Trek. And it’s only a beaning if the batter is hit in the head, i.e. “bean”. Pet peeve of mine.
As for the rest of it, yeah, grow up a little.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohh so sorry...
Bean
"Commit to the Indian!"
by Bpatterson83 on Apr 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the correction you come away with?
oh, dear.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bean
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played baseball for 17 years or so...
besides watching it religiously all my life. I can’t say I’ve ever heard that a “bean ball” is only when a batter is hit in the head. It’s possible of course since we tend to misuse all kinds of words, but even so that limited definition is a new one to me.
Btw, I’ve always been curious, if you don’t mind me asking: I assume you went to school in Madison, but what does the Shanghai refer to in your moniker?
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 26, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is one source for the beaning reference. There are others, but think about where the term would come from. Again, the “bean”.
From 2004 – 2008, I spent a lot of time in Shanghai for work, including an assignment that lasted almost 11 months. I figured it was unique and a user name that likely would be available most places! (And yes, I’m a UW Alumnus). Plus, I like Shanghai a lot, and would jump at a chance to live there for a couple of years.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool.
Thanks for the link.
I haven’t been anywhere in Asia yet (just all over Europe and some in the ME). I’m really curious about China though, especially since my girlfriend in 1st generation (Cantonese). Hopefully I’ll get to Shanghai at some point.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 26, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've not been to Europe yet; I'll get there
I’ve been to Thailand and Singapore, too, but for much shorter trips.
Shanghai is a fascinating city — it’s got to be like Manhattan was 100 years ago in the sense that you can see it emerging. You’re also not likely to find a place so modern, yet so backwards at the same time.
The worst part about losing my job was not going there; since I’ve got extra vacation with the new job that I have to take in the next two months, I’m going to go for a visit to see some friends.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waitaminute...
…did you just call Albert Pujols a “sally”?
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed,
that’s exactly what I said to myself, self.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate it when I don't pay attention to me
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a conundrum.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An enigma, even
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
puzzling
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite a question mark.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 26, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
by Goodie1969 on Apr 26, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, it’s Pujols. He’s the best player in the game of baseball, treat him like such. The reason the Cubs/Cards rivalry is one of the best in all of sport is because both sides respect and appreciate each other’s traditions and history.
Second off, if you’re going to talk like a child, you’re going to be treated as such. Like daver said, it’s old school baseball to hit someone for a HBP that was unintentional, but to do so to Pujols, in a game like today, with Harden rolling was IMO a silly idea.
Third, you might want to reconsider being a jerkoff to some long time posters here.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Apr 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so Pujols is untouchable?
He’s one of the best in the game, I just dont understand all the man love for him over here……….
by bheidge on Apr 26, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is, his name isn't "Poo Hole" and this isn't fourth grade
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's just say
we’re fans of the game as well as fans of the Cubs. Anyone who plays baseball as well as Pujols deserves respect.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of this is so obvious it hurts... sheesh
in any case, thanks for stating it.
by Emelie on Apr 26, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good morning from Okinawa, Japan...
Looks like another good day for Dome, right? I’ll go watch some video footage on MLB.com…
Keep it up Dome!
by dragonsfanatic on Apr 26, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yo, Dragon!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
What’s the spelling of this in the English alphabet?
誕生日おめでとう!
Happy birthday to Dome!
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 26, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 26, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Domo arigato
That and “Eigo ga hanasemasu ka?” is the extent of my Japanese, unfortunately. (But the universal language, beer, worked pretty well at the Tokyo Dome.)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 26, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
Baseball spoken here and there :-)
by dragonsfanatic on Apr 26, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Dragon...
Ohayou!
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Apr 26, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs and Bulls win!!!
I actually missed a portion of the game due to the Bulls. It was worth it.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 26, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it was.
Cubs win + Bulls win = great day.
Did anyone manage to split-screen and watch both games simultaneously?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 26, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was for awhile
But in the NBA, it all goes so fast that you need your full attention to it.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 26, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Blackhawks romped last night
a very nice sequence over the last several hours!
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by BigJohnAZ on Apr 26, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with 5 minutes to go in the Bulls game
I finally decided to TiVo the Cubs and finish the Bulls game live. It was a good decision. It kept me off BCB today, as I had to catch the Cubs a bit late. But it was fun to watch both games today. All this Chicago success in the last 18 hours (starting with the Blackhawks and including the White Sux losing!!) takes me back to my younger days on the north side.
A perfect day!
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
by LAcarl519 on Apr 26, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got on the elliptical with "5 minutes to go in the Bulls game"
and parked myself in front of a TV with Cubs-Cards. Little did I know that 35 minutes later the Bulls-Celtics game would still be going on.
by ChipSet on Apr 26, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I know the reason for this happening
I just got back from a 4 day train trip to Germany. During the trip, we lost. The first full day I get back, this happens.
Therefore, I must never return to Germany. Unfortunately, I’m going back on 3 May. Hopefully since it’s a different part of the country it doesn’t repeat itself.
The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.
by sanantonecub on Apr 26, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No it's because
I wore my lucky socks!
by santo4hof on Apr 26, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to get out of the trip somehow.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wohin...
in Deutschland bist du gegangen?
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 26, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not
but the Cubs are one of only two teams that haven’t put a player on the DL yet. (The Reds are the other.) But boy, it did seem like 1985 for a while today, except the injuries are to position players rather than pitchers.
This team has problems, but they can be solved and we can still win it all this year. Just got to play through this rough spot.
by Josh77 on Apr 26, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They haven't put a player on the DL...
But yet they have the most injuries.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 26, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubbie Ocurrences. :D
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You beat me to it
Only the Cubs. (I say this with bemused laughter, nothing else.)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 26, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta give credit to to Mark O'Neil and co.
churchofbaseball.com
by MJMars on Apr 26, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO CARDINAL FEED.....
We could not get any of the game from the Cardinal’s booth …Saw it on WGN . Most of the time Cardinals duo is anti Cub, Anti Chicago….Never got to see the Post game
by cubs north on Apr 26, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Felt good to see some signs of life from guys like Micah and Miles.
We need them to be on if our regulars are hurt. Dome looks just bloody brilliant so far this season, and I was amazed to see Soriano (1) stay out to run after getting beaned and (2) smacking another few hits later in the game.
Also, Harden pegged Pujols in the arse/hip later in the game. It seemed quite pre-meditated and unnecessary, as Wellemeyer didn’t appear to hit Soriano in the head (duh). Not sure why Harden did that.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Apr 26, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's just old school baseball.
Even if Wellemyer didn’t hit Soriano on purpose, he can’t miss so badly with a pitch that he nails a player – and a star player, no less – in the head. That’s pure incompetence, and his team is going to pay. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong – just the way the game has been played for decades upon decades.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Incompetence, yes.
Wellemeyer has been wild all year. I doubt it was intentional, but I think Harden did the right thing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're playing with fire.
Hit Albert a few feet higher and you’ve got his elbow. Not his throwing one, albeit, but still. If a plunk was intentional I have no problem hitting the crap outta the Cardinals, but no one in their right mind thought Soriano’s HBP was on purpose. Someone in the game thread did say it was a smart move by Lou because now both sides are warned—and if the Cardinals retaliate the retaliation (?!), someone wearing red woulda been ejected. Does that make sense?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Apr 26, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if the Cardinals retaliate the retaliation (?!), someone wearing red woulda been ejected. Does that make sense?
It does to me. Soriano’s was to the head; it could have been a huge loss if he’d really been hurt. Remember Koskie.
This was aimed pretty well, at the least bad part of the body, and was close enough to the end of Harden’s run that it could be explained with loss of control. If there’d been retaliation, the Cards would have had ejections.
Personally, I would have preferred Ankiel, or Ludwick. But that’s because I don’t like those guys as much.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Dave on this one
What purpose does it serve?
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just a bizarre, ritualized form of tribal communication.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know, but still
1 — With the Cubs having a decent lead, why stir up trouble?
2 — If you’re gonna do it, do it right and get him the first time you try.
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden did try the first time...
and Albert knew it was coming and was standing off the plate so far that Harden would have gotten run if he had hit him. Harden did the right thing by waiting until Pujols got close enough to the plate that he could throw the butt-ball without getting tossed.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say that he did it right by hitting him below the waist
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else enjoying the discussion of “Harden”, “Pujols”, and throwing balls at butts?
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by dtpollitt on Apr 26, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boystown is just a little bit northeast.
See you at Berlin!
by bdoubleu on Apr 26, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not bizarre or a ritual.
It’s letting Cards pitchers know that if they want to throw high and tight they damn well better not miss. It makes sense. If they want to back Cubs pitchers off the plate by throwing high then a Cardinal batter is going to wear one. Simple as that.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I happen to think...
…grown men beaning each other with balls is, in some sense, bizarre. And it’s absolutely a ritual IMHO. In fact, what you just described is a ritual.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's semantics then
I just see it as strategy. If they are going to throw high and tight to your best hitters and miss then they can expect their batters to get it in the back side. There is strategy involved.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I suppose there's some strategy as well...
…though I’m not sure putting Pujols on base is the greatest strategy – he’s a smart baserunner and he proved he can pull of a steal yesterday.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we were pitching around him all day
not sure what the difference is if we put him on base with 4 pitches or 1
by bheidge on Apr 26, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was gonna get walked
anyway. We only went after him once, when Gregg was pitching, and we lucked into a doubleplay.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grown men running around...
wearing matching uniforms and playing a game that is primarily played by children. Taking themselves very seriously and we are the fans, most of us former childhood players, take them even more seriously.
Baseball. Its part of the human condition.
by bdoubleu on Apr 26, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's part of the game...
it’s serves as one of the things that bind a team together. Pitchers protecting their batters. Remember, this isn’t pretend baseball like the AL. Harden will have to take his turn in the batter’s box against the Cardinals again someday.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see him hustle out that bunt today!
He ran like a ninja!
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by dtpollitt on Apr 26, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Understood, but
Again, it was clearly an accident.
I’m all for retaliation when warrented. For example, I really hope Lilly gets a start against the Giants this year.
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not an accident if they've told their pitchers to pitch up and in to Soriano to get him off the plate.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hitting him part was, but I see your point
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too many hitters around MLB
crowd the plate so much, the inside corner is their elbow. pitchers need to throw inside to get hitters to respect their plate.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with that
Way too many hitters get their dander up on inside pitches
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right inside but not necessarily high and inside
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is nothing wrong with a litttle up and in
but it has to be pinpoint, which most pitchers cannot do, beacuse if it gets away, the results can be horrible
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, which is why he shouldn't be throwing up and in
Pitchers can throw inside without throwing it high and inside, that’s my point. Again, imagine if Pujols had been hit in the head. What do you think TLR would have done? I will guarantee they would have been throwing at heads because they’ve done it before. They head hunt even when their players get hit “accidentally” in the rib cage.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that the hitters fault for crowding
and hanging over the plate tho? you cannot expect a pitcher to be suxccessful with half a plate to use.
and is used to be (and should be still) and up and in set up low and away
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tim typos strike again
and it used to be***
successful, no x
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can throw up and in without throwing at head
Sori does probably crowd the plate because he’s up at the front of the box but he doesn’t hang over it like a lot of guys do. You would probably see him get hit a lot more if that were the case. Carlos Quentin would be a guy that comes to mind that does that and gets hit a lot. I’m not sure we are necessarily disagreeing here but I think you can pitch inside and back guys off the plate without throwing above the arm pit. I also am positive that LaRussa would have intentionally been hitting people in the head if Pujols took one off the helmet first.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have not said throw at the head once
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't claim you did.
When you say it’s hitter’s fault for crowding plate you seem to be implying they should expect to have the ball thrown at their head. If that’s not what you meant then I misunderstood. As i said before, I’m not sure we are necessarily disagreeing with one another.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
expect inside pitches
that is the pitchers job, to take his palte back.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with pitching inside no question
..just saying that if you don’t have good control as a pitcher you don’t risk hitting someone in the freakin’ skull. You could end a guy’s career.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
and at the same time if a hitter knows he crowds the plate, and the pitcher has been wild, he needs to step back for his own safety. cannot strictly blame a pitcher. No pitcher is going to aim for a head (or atleast I would hope not)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just curious
Did you think Soriano could have gotten out of the way of that pitch?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a chance.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well... maybe
If he happened to react differently he may have dodged it. Then again had he reacted differently a pitch that had broken differently could have hit him. I certainly don’t think he was trying to get hit.
by aldimond on Apr 26, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The BCB spellchecker is failing alot today.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is my way of being original
no one can say i stole the line that way :=)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting for the fact checker to kick in
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the internet....
facts do not apply.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Facts...
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
I’m not normally in favor of throwing at hitters, but if the Cardinals are doing it, the Cubs have to send some kind of message that they’re not just going to take it.
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by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was also a little GS payback from Saturday
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by Zeke on Apr 26, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would tell my pitchers to do the same thing if I were managing against the Cubs.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but again...
…it was an unacceptable accident. A pitcher can’t be allowed to go high and tight and miss that badly.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
…and if their pitchers aren’t good enough to throw that pitch without beaning someone then they should realize there are consequences.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is one "tradition" I hate
someone could get seriously injured and it’s just childish.
by Emelie on Apr 26, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
I’m not necessarily rejoicing or disapproving of what Harden did. Baseball has a culture all its own and sometimes teams follow these rituals. As long as no one gets (seriously) hurt, I can accept it.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was only a matter of time before Soriano got nailed.
After Soriano hit that game winning homer against the Cards in the 8th last Friday, it’s not surprising that they were throwing the ball up and in at him. I don’t think Wellemeyer did it intentionally but I’m pretty positive LaRussa told them to get it high and tight on him. That’s how TLR operates. I don’t have any problem with Harden letting the Cards know he didn’t appreciate them beaning his guy. You better believe the Cards would have been throwing at skulls if Pujols had taken one off the helmet like Sori did.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
And if Wellemyer would have gone high and tight on Soriano but NOT hit him, the Cubs would’ve probably done nothing. But ol’ Todd can’t miss that badly.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I 'spsose...
Still, hit him the first AB throwing at him!
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"'spsose?"
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
add that to the BCB dictionary.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the definition?
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by DTJchris on Apr 26, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'spsose
[SPO-ZEE] vb. to acknowledge another’s point in a minor disagreement, possibly semantically related
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if anyone knows if Badger and Daver are semantically related
it’s us.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indubitably
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indivisidably.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One poster, with sand pounding for all
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get stuffed.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should have said
“Got Stuffing”? Surely, we can get a SWL picture for this…
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We talk funny sometimes.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And I’m sure Harden just earned a bunch of attaboys from his teammates for doing it.
Funny that TLR gets in a huff about stuff like this considering one of his franchise’s all-time greatest pitchers (Bob Gibson) used to live on the inside of the plate.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 26, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
besides
that low and away pitch that Soriano can golf is his bread and butter. You HAVE to pitch those guys high and inside to get them away so that the low and away pitch is available to you.
He just screwed it up too badly to ignore.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't looked into any comments from TLR
towards Wellemeyer, but he’s very anti throwing towards the head, and thinks all MLB pitchers are good enough to not miss that badly. I imagine he had a talk with Wellemeyer, and I’m pretty sure he would never start “throwing at skulls”.
Shaping up to be a good battle this season. it’s good to see intelligent cubs fans, here on BCB, to counter the ones who give the majority a bad name.
by STLRegalia on Apr 27, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since when..
do the Cards throw at skulls? I’ve seen several comments on here mentioning TLR, and throwing at heads, which he doesn’t do. I know that he is quick to retaliate, especially if you go after one of his best, but he never authorizes anyone to throw at the head. Welly has been wild all year, and I seriously doubt that he meant to hit Soriano. That being said, I’m sure he meant to go up and in, because you have to push Soriano back. The guys head is practically over the plate. I hate the beanball wars, but unfortunately knowing TLR, we’ve just started a new one. He protects Pujols like no other, and I’m sure he was none to pleased about the intentional HBP, in retaliation for a mistake on Wellys part.
by Cardsfan25 on Apr 28, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's almost worse than touching the bill of an umpires hat!
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lineup suggestion once everyone's healthy
Given that Sori’s going to be leading off indefinitely, Theriot’s hitting well, Lee’s not what he used to be, Bradley will hit sixth when he returns and Dome’s success, what about this lineup against righties:
Sori
Theriot
Fukudome
Ramirez
Lee
Bradley
Soto
Fontenot
I could also see switching Lee and Bradley …
by elgato on Apr 26, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
that didn't take long....
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Apr 26, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
leave Dome in the 2 hole
he seems to produce well there
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did well today in the three hole
Just sayin’
by elgato on Apr 26, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I initially thought the same thing...
…but he batted third today.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear
that’s where your best batter is supposed to go.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why doesn't Hoffpauir hit 3rd?
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he is not in Iowa
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a question
Clutche asks himself every night, as he drifts to sleep, holding his Hoffpauir Sekrit Diary. :D
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
small sample?
ahh the ever so favorite reply to anything here that is based on one game
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOSI
our LOSI with Dome in the 3-hole is too significant.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a relatively small sample...
…but it’s not like Lou couldn’t make some lineup moves later in the season if he so chooses.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I actually like it because Theriot doesn’t drop back to the eight hole.
by elgato on Apr 26, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was being smart ass more than anything
I really do not care where anyone bats, as long as they are hitting the ball
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but but but
this is LOU! Once he makes a lineup, it’s written in STONE!
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure wish Gregg
Could retire batters, at least every now and then 1-2-3. Even with a 57-run lead, it’s like a Mitch Williams flashback.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 26, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
as long as no one scores
I’m ok with it.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
making Pujols ground into a double play was pretty clutch...
…I’ll take it.
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by carmen_fanzone on Apr 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffpauir was in involved...
…so that should be spelled “clutche.”
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LBR made
a pretty good play on the double play to end the game
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by gwood on Apr 26, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also made a good play on an in-between hop earlier in the game. He flashed some
leather today.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 26, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was awesome.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-backs continue to flounder
now down 4-1 to SF on a Sandoval 3-run dinger….perhaps the Cubs are going to the PHX airplane hanger at the right time, finally….
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 26, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the Cubs need to...
…put the Curse Misfortunes of Chase Field behind them once and for all.
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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 26, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I cash my debit card rewards in...
for Cubs runs @ CHASE?
by bdoubleu on Apr 26, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from your keyboard
to the mountaintop.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice win for the
Cubs today. I’m thirlled to see Dome playing this well. Hope he can keep it going.
Hope Lee isn’t out very long.
by sue369 on Apr 26, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With the Bulls and the draft going on today
I didn’t see all of the Cubs game.
Can you guys tell me: did we play better fundamental baseball today?
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how did the Bears draft look?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They got 4 of the consensus "Best Available Prospects" at the beginning of Day 2
So, I have to say they did a good job. But, we all know you can’t evaluate a draft until 2 or 3 seasons later.
My link here on Windy City Gridiron
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our starting pitcher successfully put down a sac bunt, we got actual base hits with RISP and we only scored 1 of the 10 runs as a result of the other teams error.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good. Progress.
However… Harden is the only guy on our staff who can be counted on to lay down a sac bunt. He’s a very good athlete.
Everyone else has failed miserably at it so far in the early going.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster's bunting doesn't concern me . . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least we don't have to watch Rich Hill try to bunt anymore.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oy vay... U-G-L-Y
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster actually successfully sacrificed the other day
However it was hardly textboook. Molina tagged him out in the batters box. LOL.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he stays healthy, he'll lead the team in sac bunts
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina
never would have tried to do that to Ted Lilly.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
some stolen bases, some very snappy 5-4-3 double-plays, lots of patience at the plate, lots of small ball before the 7th inning.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fundamentals, from what I saw...
I left for a run once the Bulls game finished; up to that point the defense looked good. Kudos to LBR — I wasn’t expecting a lot out of his 3B work and he’s looked pretty good so far. I didn’t see Hoff’s homer, but I thought his approach was right on when he walked a run in earlier — forced a pitcher struggling with his command to throw him strikes. I think if some of the soft-hit balls early in the game hadn’t dropped in we’d all have been complaining about the lack of patience early on. I don’t recall the inning, but there was at least one AB where Johnson K’d where he expanded his strike zone too much. Riot’s bunt single in the first was OK; he might not have made it if it was covered better, but it was a safe bunt that would have at least moved the runner over.
As far as pitching fundamentals go, they walked four batters (and hit one) but three of the walks and the hit batsman were Pujols. Can’t complain too much. It’s disappointing that Harden couldn’t be more efficient with pitches and go 7 innings with a big lead and a short bullpen.
by aldimond on Apr 26, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cotts
If he’s not gone b tomorrow why don’t they save everyone the trouble and just put 2 runs on the board for the other team?
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 26, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We could have a useful pitcheron the roster named Vizcaino...
instead of this bum.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be suprised if no one picks him up
And if he is picked up, by the end of the year, no one here will be wishing the Cubs had kept him
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
If Vizcaino could throw lefthanded, he’d still be a Cub.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he can...at least as well as Cotts does.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just about anyone here could throw lefthanded as well as Cotts does.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which begs the question of why in the name of all that is good is Cotts still getting a ML paycheck and Viz looking for work?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Viz
is still getting a ML paycheck.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for the Phillies cap, I think he'd do just fine.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While searching for that, I found another reason to reconsider that lefty-righty thing
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bet she can throw lefty as well as Cotts
and look much better doing it
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to think the distraction alone would get some hitters out
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd tighten up in the box.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there would be a lot of hard liners i bet
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
her box
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
subtlety not your strong suit?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tempted to try saying
Acapulco Taco Pie 3 times in a row…
but, I’ll scroll back up instead.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ATP is not the only tongue twister around here
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Apr 26, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What on Earth did you search for to find that?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching Mounds
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we should use this when Cotts comes in
Like EA for Hoff…
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone post an EA pic before he hit the HR today?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know; I wasn't in the game thread
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not before
We’ve decided that he only gets EA when he actually PERFORMS. It’s a reward, not an incentive.
He got a few pics today.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
worth a shot
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If nothing else, something to look at
Especially if he pitches the way he has been…
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell, I still say sign her
and let her pitch, cant be worse than Cotts
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever see fans asking ballplayers to sign
the chest of their shirts?
She’d be the first ballplayer fans would ask to give their autographs on her chest
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any clue who she is?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None. I tried to find out, but the site only has random pics
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found this, though
Apparently, the distraction factor is real
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
she has a nice bounce
in her step IMO
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 26, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
Only the balls should bounce?
by northernsails on Apr 27, 2009 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Japanese culture
especially when this girl bows to show her… erm.. respect… to the fans and players.
by bdoubleu on Apr 26, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is it with Japan?
They have a pretty inordinate fascination with schoolgirl outfits over there. They do in the U.S. too, I guess, but they’re mostly stripper types. It seems pretty mainstream there.
Not that I’m objecting, mind you.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
by Goodie1969 on Apr 26, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love baseball.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aw, hell
you never fail to actually get me to l o l. Like, my wife is now looking at me with suspicion.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not, "baseball dogs"
Then I found one pitching without a Phillie hat, but after posting the above, figured there was no point.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like this photo
Liked it so much I made it my avatar. :)
by jeff_pico on Apr 26, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Outstanding!
Just trying to help the team . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I notice you didn't get in all of her
face.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
she is cute
but I think I got the best part lol picture probably a little too big for an avatar, but I’ll take it lol
by jeff_pico on Apr 26, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HELLO, NURSE!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great googli moogli
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Apr 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She's not teenager, but...
she was 29 years old at this famous first pitch.
by dragonsfanatic on Apr 27, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a strike to me
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 27, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing so far about Cotts though...
is that he’s been unusually unlucky with balls that are hit in play. His BABIP% is at .394, which is over 85 points higher than one would expect on his career norms. (His BA against him is also at .364,, which is about .110 higher than his career averages)
Obviously, his biggest problem is his command of the zone, but it doesn’t help when he’s also being extremely unlucky. And it could impact his approach to pitching, if he feels like he has to K everyone to get an out. It might make him over-throw and thus struggle with his command. I have no idea of course. But it’s possible.
(Granted, we’re talking only 10 game appearances, so it’s hard to be definitive. But those are the trends right now).
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 26, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cotts
Cotts has had 1 great year in the majors with the white sox and then a ‘decent’ year last year. He’s not exactly a proven major league pitcher. I think what we are seeing is just a guy who has lost ‘it’ if his ‘it’ was really anything exceptional to begin with.
by jeff_pico on Apr 26, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong.
I’m not arguing that Cotts is a great player. But BABIP% doesn’t lie either. He’s been unlucky, to go along with his other struggles.
My point was about the marginal difference between what we’re seeing, and what one would statistically project should happen. If somone wants to argue that he’s gone from ineffective to really ineffective that’s fine, but it still doesn’t disagree with my point.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
statistical norm
Wouldn’t the ‘statistical norm’ apply to a guy when he is actually playing at his average level?
There is nothing ‘normal’ about the kind of pitching that Cotts has done.
I mean Rich Hill would have never been expected to lose his command if you looked at his past statistics.
Stuff just happen to people. I feel bad for Cotts also and any player that sees their performance level decline so dramatically. He seems to be healthy physically but its just some minor case of Steve Blass disease.
by jeff_pico on Apr 26, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for him
he’s obviously struggling. But he’s paid to be a pitcher.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU.
As one of the very few who have dared defend the Undefendable Neal Cotts, I appreciate this comment.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Apr 27, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I generally think that people are way too negative on him as well.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 28, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if he gave up a homerun every time out
(and had the initials B.H.)
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the difference...
Does it really matter that your pen would be all right-handed, considering Cotts is absolutely 100% ineffective?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not when you can have Jason Waddell in pinstripes by tomorrow.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Jason Waddell supposed to be good?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't be worse than Cotts.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 26, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 8 appearances,
totalling 7.2 innings, given up 9 hits for 3 ER, including a HR, walked two, and struck out 4. Two appearances count for 6 of those hits, both BB, and the runs.
I make his WHIP to be 1.43, which isn’t great… but is a darn sight better than Cotts’ 2.8.
How long should we give sig lines at the bottom of the comments?
Bradley watch -- out 6 games of 16
by znohitter on Apr 26, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as long as Cotts gone... I'll replace him with anyone at this point.
The guy turns a 5 run lead into a nail biter.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Cotts doesn't read this site.
If so, he’s probably suicidal by now.
by bdoubleu on Apr 26, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs don't wear pinstripes on the road, Al.
;-)
by bdoubleu on Apr 26, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I’d rather they wore pinstripes than those blue softball shirts.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 27, 2009 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Unless it’s those powder blue road uni’s they used to have with the white pinstripes . . . pajamas.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 27, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he only gave up one today, no?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darn it my Fukodome jersey is in the wash!
"It was a wise Man that invented Beer" (Plato)
by LarryCubFan on Apr 26, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should make that your superstition?
Since Dome had a career day the same day you washed his jersey, maybe…just maybe, he’ll…
Nah who am I kidding.? I dont believe in that mumbo-jumbo.
by northernsails on Apr 27, 2009 3:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Lou was wired for that visit to the mound with Cotts today.
You could see Lou’s lips moving at a pretty rapid rate. My guess is he sounded more like Tony Soprano than a manager on that visit.
Soto was trying to stay as far from Lou as possible.
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
by LAcarl519 on Apr 26, 2009 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably a lot like
the one-sided conversation Lou had with Dempster in the ninth on a very cold night in Cincinnati at the start of the 2007 season.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 26, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like Soto had a big smile on his face right after Lou walked away
Btw, any update on Lee? Anyone heard anything?
by kanderber on Apr 26, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was supposed to be
an update in the post-game presser. I didn’t see it, tho.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DLee is not going on the DL according to Bruce Miles.
Read it here.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Apr 26, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cotts DID get
two outs.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The earth is back on its axis: Yankees v Red Sox tonight!
over/under on a 4 hour game?
the first two have run over 4 hours and 15 minutes.
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
by LAcarl519 on Apr 26, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
only because of the State Farm halftime show and the marching band field show during the 7th inning stretch (brought to you by Viagra).
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Viagra is a sponsor
I know who should throw out the first pitch . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Dole?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he does throw left-handed
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 26, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank god, its been so long since they have been on national TV
New sig currently under construction
by JB 23 on Apr 26, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see the
Cub game has been moved to CSN+ tomorrow night. The Blackhawks are now on CSN.
by sue369 on Apr 26, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the note, I'll update the left sidebar.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 27, 2009 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy birthday, Fukudome!
Good post, Al. It’s April. Time to observe, correct whatever is in need to be corrected and time to be patient, not to jump off any ledge. We’ve kept the Cardinals under control (except for the previous 2 games), which bodes well for the divisional run.
by Fraggin Judge on Apr 26, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Happy Birthday, Dome!
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Apr 26, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One negative from this game -
Lou has an absolute blind spot when it comes to Reed Johnson and it seems to really show up in series v. the Cardinals. RJ is just not a good hitter v. RHP. On his career, he’s hit them .269/.328/.384. How in the world do you hit a player with those numbers 5th?
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on Apr 26, 2009 8:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LBR
and Soto aren’t hitting any better. Would you hit Miles 5th?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the problem.
I think I would count on one of Fonty or Soto stepping up, though, knowing that RJ is going to fall back. Or I would have started Hoff in LF and Sori at 2B in the first place.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on Apr 27, 2009 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or I would have started Hoff in LF and Sori at 2B in the first place
Shudder. Because think about it — you have to put Gathright in Left to replace Sori, so you’re not really gaining anything, are you? And think of the cost…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 27, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Methinks Lou has a number of blind spots.
Like “Stevie” Eyre, Bob Howry, Cotts, and others….
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Apr 26, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs are a mess right now
This should be a week where a lot of things come to a head. I would think we will see something happen with both Cotts and Patton. The former is awful, the later has zero business pitching in the majors right now. I also think we may see Bradley shoved on the DL.
Derrek Lee’s injury is a blessing in disguise on some level. I’m tired of the Cubs living in denial over the marked decline of Lee.
Big week for Geovany Soto. He needs to step to the forefront.
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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
only BLou
comes off a 10-3 win with a post headlined “Cubs are a mess right now”
Miles came through for us today. Fonty is playing very good Third Base, even if he’s not hitting that well. Soriano is a true trouper. The bullpen only gave up a single run. And look at Kosuke Fukudome, he is CARRYING THE TEAM.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kosuke is a mess right now
I’m tired of the Cubs living in denial over the fact that he’s been figured out and is nothing more than a glorified… wait…
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on Apr 27, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then there's that
guess hack-ducking Soriano…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 27, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure problems of two middle relievers can qualify team as a mess
As I’ve said many times (at least in my head), I know every fan of their own team thinks that all opposing team bullpens have guys with sub 3 ERAs down the line. These guys are in the bullpen for a reason. The Brewers, for example, have one guy in their bullpen with a sub 3 ERA. Others check in with ERAs of 3.09, 3.60, 5.00, 5.59…
by BeltwayCubsFan on Apr 26, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All these issues can be rendered less significant
If the Cubs just decide to start playing fundamentally sound baseball for the first time this year…
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is living in denial over DLee. Everyone can see that he is
struggling at the plate. What do you expect to happen, ship him off to Japan? When was the last time a veteran player of DLee’s stature was banished to the bench in the first month of the season because he started off slow? It doesn’t happen that way and you know it. Veteran ball players are allowed to pull themselves out of slow starts all the time. Just because the team hasn’t done what you want doesn’t mean that they are in denial.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 26, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The denial part is when people chalk up Lee's issues to a "slow start"
Some players do start out slow (like Ryno who never seemed to start hitting until June 1).
In Lee’s case though, he hasn’t been producing or hitting for power since mid way through last season.
I love DLee as much as anybody but his decline, to me anyway, has been pretty undeniable.
by bluekoolaide on Apr 26, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The main problem I have with your evaluation is the assumption
the once a players stats start to recede, he is automatically done and should be destined for the scrap heap. Players do have bad years and then turn it around and have a good year. It does happen you know? A perfect example is across town. Paul Konerko saw a couple of down years. His numbers peaked in ‘06 at .313/.381/.551. The next two year his numbers dropped. Last year he was at .240/.344./.438. What are his numbers now?.328/.378.537 The sample size is small, but telling. The point is, you can’t make blanket statements about veteran ballplayer based upon a small part of their career.
I don’t know enough about major legue ballplayers to positively say that DLee is done and neither do you. When a player of his years starts to decline, management doesn’t pull the plug a the first sign of a dropoff. They usually give the guy a chance to right himself. There seems to be some around here who don’t think he should be given that chance.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 26, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not advocating sending him to the trash heap
I’m not even necessarily saying he should be benched. The main problem has been Pinella’s very stubborn insistence (until recently) of keeping him in the three hole.
There’s nothing wrong with dropping him to fifth or sixth and seeing how he responds. we got away with carrying him last year because he had a lot of guys producing around him. This year’s line-up (so far) doesn’t seem anyhere near as balanced-if we have to start scratching for runs it isn’t going to help Lee or the team to keep him in such a high profile spot.
by bluekoolaide on Apr 26, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have absolutely no problem with
dropping him down in the order. Obvoiusly, if the 1 and 2 hitters are getting on base and he is not driving them in, put someone there who will. Altough you may not be saying he should be dumped, there have been many post implying just that.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 26, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfectly said. Rec'd, +1'd, and so on.
This post should be copied and pasted regularly at BCB.
Count me among those who also am happy to deny that DLee’s decline is “obvious.” Last year it was “obvious” that Dome was finished and unable to play ball in the U.S. DLee could indeed be in decline. It’s possible.
But he’s a fit 33, not a flabby 33, and a man who cares about his game. It is still a LOT more likely that Derrek Lee has productive years ahead of him than that he doesn’t.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on Apr 27, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed; as I've said so far this season, I'm not giving up on Lee
He’s shown flashes of driving the ball, has gone to RF and RC, which is what he does when he’s “on”. He had a good homestand, even ignoring the fact that 2 of his outs would have likely been homeruns on windless days.
And he drove an inside pitch to the LF wall yesterday that got out there in a hurry.
He’s looked a lot better this April than he did last September.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 27, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't figured out if the DLee bashing
is up as a result of Hoff love, or not. I still believe a declining Lee with his offense and defense is better than plugging Hoff in there every day.
If Hoff gets enough at bats and is run out there every day, pitchers will adjust and feed him the breaking stuff. The Cubs have no need for Rob Deer’s .200 30 HR, 45 RBI stat line with 200k’s from Hoff. If Lou can protect Hoff and keep him mostly on the bench and putting him in position to succeed, his stats will make him look like an all star.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Apr 27, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Way to gloss over the fact that he had just ripped a vicious RBI double off the wall in his only AB before he was taken out.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 27, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs starters may not go deep in games
But hard to think of another 5-deep rotation that basically gives team a quality start every time out. Now, as we’ve seen the past two playoffs, that is not necessarily the most valuable asset of a World Series team (i.e. – they didn’t even get to Lilly in last year’s playoffs), but it certainly SHOULD prevent the Cubs from running into any kind of series losing streak. While the Cubs are ‘nicked up’, plenty of other teams have far more serious injury problems in terms of losing players for significant periods of time.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Apr 26, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow... the Red Sox just stole home
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The game went only 3:09.
What’s wrong with them? I thought the Red Sox and Yankees got paid by the hour when they played each other.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Apr 27, 2009 4:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah!
great and huge win today. i know its early and hard to call any win big at this point but this is the cubs team we should see all year! go cubbies keep racking up those wins. only 3 back and not 5 WOOOOO
by cooltrev on Apr 26, 2009 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Couple of thoughts...
1. I m really proud of kosuke.. He is officially off my list of cubs that i cant stand. I thought his AB aginst miller regrdless of how it turned out was really good… If he can be 70% of what he is now throughout the season we have a good CF…
2. Harden is the man. No way around it. He really does look healthy and if he makes all his starts we will be ok and we have a bonafide ace. That pitch Ankiel took out was absurd. That isnt a bad pitch. That is a bad break. I have never seen a ball tomahawked like that.
3. I am worried about Soto…. I cant stress that enough.
4. The same goes for LBR… Our lineup is not nearly what i thought it is if Soto takes a significant step back and LBR doesnt progress..
5. If derek isnt ok tomorrow we need to make a move. We are WAY WAY WAY to thin on the bench. I think i have personally had enough with the car jumper experiment.
6. Am i the only ne who thinks Micah will have a more productive year with the bat then Lee? Or maybe even the first basemen that is playing at Iowa. I never wish injury on any player but it would be intriguing to me to see D LEE go on the DL and bring Fox up and see what happens with Micah and Fox….
7. I was channel flipping all day (Bulls Cubs and Nascar(anyone who watched the last lap of talladega how crazy was the Carl Edwards crash?/ I am now hooke on Nascar i hope the 7 fans are ok)) so i didnt see Harden plunk Pujols. My opinion: I like that our players care about each other enough to stand up for each other even though Wellemeyers pitch was obviously NOT intentional. (Class act by the STL fans to cheer for Soriano when he went to first.) Great rivalry.
8. Am i happy with the season? No but considering the fact that two people are hitting and two people are pitching I will take it. I just hope we play well out west..We can improe quickly. And i am not sold on STL’s pitching. We just need to start hitting.
9. I LOVE Harden
That is all
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
by fischisgod on Apr 26, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
couple of thoughts = 9? :-D
but yes on 1, 2 and 6
by Emelie on Apr 26, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome' quote on his birthday:
“I want to celebrate my birthday everyday if I can hit well on that anniversary.”
- Kosuke Fukudome
by dragonsfanatic on Apr 26, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he's got good reason to celebrate today
so happy he’s exorcising the 2008 demons
by Emelie on Apr 26, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's detail of his comment:
“(on RBI single in 1st) It was good single after first and second hitter on bases. I knew there was no chance for double play if I hit into first-base hole.
(on 3-run homer) It makes some different impression of me for the rest of this season if I hit one homer against left hander. "
by dragonsfanatic on Apr 26, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's aiming the ball.
That’s freakin’ EXCELLENT.
Think of the impression if he hits TEN homeruns against lefties! Dare, Dome! Dare!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so happy
for Dome. I hope he continues with the success he’s having now.
by sue369 on Apr 27, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the Mendoza line about?
What does it mean or refer to? Always wondered that
by northernsails on Apr 26, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wikipedia is your friend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_line
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Apr 26, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Named for the following player
who can see was offensively challenged. Not sure how it started but .200 has become the Mendoza line.
by rlpete on Apr 26, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_Line
The Mendoza Line is an informal term used in baseball when a position player’s batting average falls below the boundary between extremely poor and merely below-average offensive production, or the offensive threshold below which a player’s presence in the Major Leagues cannot be justified despite their defensive abilities. It is often used to characterize a batting average of below .200. Pitchers are not held to the Mendoza Line standard, since their specialized work and infrequent batting justifies less competence in hitting.
Named for Mario Mendoza, who hit .198 in 1979 playing for the Mariners.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batting average of .200
I believe named after Mario Mendoza, who was, well… a good defensive shortstop.
by aldimond on Apr 26, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember in the old days the newspapers used to publish all the NL and AL batting averages
And they usually “stopped” at the Mendoza Line to save space, and clearly players batting below .200 weren’t eager to see their names posted anyway.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Apr 26, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS: they published them on Sunday, IIRC
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Apr 26, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just brought back fond summertime memories of
fighting over the Trib Sunday sports section with my brother because, in those days, it was one of the only ways to check all of the individual stats.
by bluekoolaide on Apr 26, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another term I've heard used lately is "The Interstate"
ie. any BA that falls BELOW .200, into the .100s. Or I-99, I-94, I-90, for example.
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by Zeke on Apr 27, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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