Jake Fox: Two more HRs tonight
by IllinoisCubs on Apr 27, 2009 11:58 PM CDT
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PrintJake Fox hit two more HRs tonight to bring his total to 11.
http://iowa.cubs.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t451&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_27_iowaaa_nasaaa_1
Say what you will, but this is a great story for now. It would be a huge step back defensively but if Lee hits the DL, we don't really have a choice but to play Hoffpauir at 1B and maybe give Fox some ABs in RF. He's smashing he ball right now and the Cubs are dinged up with no offense.
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Instead of playing armchair manager
Can we discuss why all of the sudden the Cubs have stopped being patient at the plate? We’re not scoring runs and coincidentally we also aren’t taking walks. Coincidence?
You mean the team
that is third in walks in the NL right now? And the team that had three walks Sunday?
Maybe the reasons they couldn’t score tonight are called “Dan Haren” and “too many key players not playing.”
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 28, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Three walks is not a lot of walks...
and that’s the most we’ve had in the last several games: 0, 2, 2, 2, 3, 0 in the last six games respectively, during which time we’re 1-5. That 3-walk game is the only game on the list that we’ve won. So the previous poster had a legitimate discussion point that didn’t need to be poo-pooed so quickly.
I do agree that some of the explanation is that Bradley has been out for several games. But Lee and Ramirez played in most of the games in this stretch, so it’s not simply “Dan Haren” and “too many key players not playing.” It might simply be “rough stretch,” “small sample size,” and “Bradley has been out,” but to dismiss it based on Sunday’s game is too simplistic.
Thank you
For agreeing. We need to be more patient. I mean look at the game against Milkwaukee when Johnson stole the grand slam. If we weren’t patient we might have loss (and had Johnson not come into the game we probably would have been playing extra innings).
+4
the games we have lost, we seem to be rushing at the plate. not sure if that is cuz of the different people in the line up,or cuz everyone is trying and pressing to make something happen.
now regarding Fox, who has he hit the HRs off of? I am jsut curious the caliber of pitching he is hitting.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
no to play ameteur shrink
but it may be nothing more than the players left pressing and trying to do too much. They know some of their big guns are out and everyone’s trying to make up for it.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
I'm dismissing it
based on their overall walk standing. But thanks for playing.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 28, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Hi this is 2009 not 2008
And for most of last week they were not taking walks.
Look at pitch counts from opposing pitchers. Not only were we not taking walks, we were taking hacks early.
So dismiss this all you want but the fact is, few walks = few wins.
Thanks for playing Dusty.
It's not like
Haren was throwing balls to walk on. Harang wasn’t throwing many balls either, nor was Cueto.
You have to adapt your batting approach to what you’re getting from the pitcher. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to get walks; I agree — they’re pressing at the plate.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 28, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
If you want to stand there with the bat in your hands and watch strikes go by, be my guest.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 28, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Linky to box score...
If Lee goes on the DL, Jake would be the guy I’d want to call up. I just hope his bat can make the trip from Des Moines as well.
How long should we give sig lines at the bottom of the comments?
Bradley watch -- out 7 games of 18
Only if Lee goes on the DL.
Fox is basically a DH. He’s a poor man’s Dave Kingman in the field. And for those of you who never saw Kingman play, Kingman was one of the worst fielders in Cubs history.
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I saw Dave Kingman play. Senator, Jake Fox is no Dave Kingman.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 28, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Kingman was horrific
there were two things about his defense people need to understand
1. was best to stand back to ivy nad only run in to make a play
2. didnt know which would happen first, would he miss the ball or miss the cut off man
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
We used to call fly balls
" Adventures in the outfield with Dave Kingman"
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 28, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
it was always an adventure
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
But he could mash a baseball
How could anyone ever forget the ball he hit half way down Kenmore. He certainly was not a good outfielder and he never was going to hit for a high average but he could hit the long ball.
by Crazy Uncle Lou on Apr 29, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
So basically,
If Lee goes to the DL, Hoff gets promoted to “D-Lee”, and Fox gets promoted to “Hoff”, the roster spot formerly known as “Daryle Ward”.
As long as Hoff stays at 1B and Fox stays put in his Hoff/Ward bench bat position, it seems like a decent short-term fix.
Things were getting a little crazy there for a while. “Has anyone ever caught before at any level? How about second base?” Which reminds me, how did we go from 7 second basemen on the 25-man roster to 1 and a half?
It reminds me of when Iowa football coach Kirk Ferentz was so fed up with his punter that he had everyone on his entire roster who ever punted in highschool out on the field at halftime “trying out” for the position for the second half.
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Yeah, that I could live with...
…though I assume we’d have the same concern about Fox in the PH role that we had/have with Hoffpauir – namely, that he’s an inexperienced ML player being asked to take patient ABs at key points in important games.
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Although, like Hoff,
Fox has done plenty of DHing in the minors, which I would think helps prepare a player for PH duties. Not exactly the same, but still sitting on your butt for prolonged periods of time before you make a plate appearance.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
DH'ing is nothing like PH'ing.
As a DH, you hit four or five times a game just like the fielders. You can get into the rhythm of the game, maybe face the same pitcher three times. You know exactly when your turn at bat is.
As a PH, you get one shot, and don’t necessarily get a lot of warning when you’re going to hit.
Two very different things IMO.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Thanks for the primer on what a DH is
I’m quite aware that a DH bats several times a game, often seeing the same pitcher several times. I also realize that sitting for innings at a time, and not playing the field holds similarities to pinch hitting. That’s why some players hate dh’ing, because they don’t feel into the game.
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Sorry, I guess I'm just more conservative...
…but I’m not going to put a defensive liability on the field and gamble that his unproven ML bat will generate enough offense to offset the runs lost on defense. Again, I’m happy for Jake and wish the Cubs could do something with him, but I’m afraid the only something that comes to mind is package him in a trade to an AL team.
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Why is Fox playing 1B for Iowa?
Despite the current Lee/Hoff worries, they are not going to be displaced this year. Even if DL goes on DL, I’d guess Fox would come up to just ph and spot start IB.
He would be much more valuable, and have a lot better chance to move up, if he could handle LF, C, or 3B. All positions he has played before. This guy is never going to be a gold glover anywhere, but it seems to me 1B would be the position that gives him the least chance of being promoted.
If he could handle ANY of those positions, he'd...
have a multi-million dollar contract in the AL. If he was even close to league average at catcher, we wouldn’t need Koyie Hill.
I’ve seen Jake Fox play at Principal Park in Des Moines for two years now as a season ticket holder. He’s worthy of his defensive reputation. I’d be scared to death to see him in RF at Wrigley.
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isn't that overstating things a little bit?
In six minor league seasons, he has an ops of .850. That doesn’t scream multi-million dollar contract to me.
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If Fox could play third base...
…I’d drive to Iowa and pick him up myself. Hell, I’d design, build a prototype and mass produce his own bobblehead. Alas and alack.
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I'll pay for the gas,
but my point was this, I realize he’s bad at all those positions, but wouldn’t it be better if he was working at 3b, c, or lf than 1b?
My understanding is...
…he’s spent time at all of those positions (not this season, but previously) and has simply been unable to stick at any of them. (Not sure about left field, actually, but definitely 3B and C.) I can only assume that’s because he was so bad defensively, the organization wasn’t going to spend time and resources trying to develop those skills.
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I don't know if it's because he's that terrible
or the organization has others that play the position more capably. For instance, the I-Cubs could play Fox at third, but Scales can play it better. Plus, with Spears at second, it would retard his growth as a prospect to sit so that Fox can play third.
That’s just a small-size case, but probably part of the reason, as well.
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I've seen him play 1B and RF this season...
He’s equally bad at both, but probably worse at RF. They have him playing practically on the warning track, which is probably because they assume (and he knows) that he can’t go back on balls. If we need depth at OF, we can always re-sign Jim Edmonds, right?
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do any small market
AL teams need first basemen?
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 28, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
In Class AAA
I’m not saying he shouldn’t get a chance with the big club, but … I think you’re just looking for a reaction.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 28, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather see Fox playing multiple positions for Iowa
he could be a poor man’s Phil Nevin at the Major League-level, playing multiple positions (none particularly well) while hitting for power.
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by Bill Potter on Apr 28, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You...you know those don't count in major league games, right?
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He hit 6 of them in Albuquerque
which is smaller than my backyard.
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we need to make one of the options when you click "reply"
to be “sarcasm”. So that there’s no confusion.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 28, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
this is the exact opposite argument that Hoff gets
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
[Lightbulb flickers on]
Put Board Game on the DL retro-active in order to call Fox up? Of course that would take Bradley being a team player. No matter what ti’s not happening that way. Fox should be given every chance and we should not be waiting around all Season to do so, not with us being performing so weakly. Times like this make it painful to watch.
If Bradley wasn't going to play tonight or in the near future then sure
but since he’s ready to play, that doesn’t work. However, if Lee needs time on the DL, then yes, Fox will probably get called up.
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I hope they can hold off until Interleague play begins...
so that they can insert him in the DH slot.
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If Lee's healthy by then
I think Hoffpauir will be DHing. Though I think Fox could be doing the exact same thing on this Cubs team that Hoffpauir does now.
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Where would you play Jake Fox defensively?
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and how many runs
do we let Fox give up?
Bradley is ready to come back, according to Lou. He should be in the lineup today. Putting him on the DL is bad for the team.
Of course that would take Bradley being a team player.
Oy.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 28, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be afraid to put him in the Infield.
Isn’t he an lifer Outfielder? Now all of a sudden we’re going to ask him to fill in @ 3rd or 1st. Sounds like on heck of a gamble to me. I say wait for a bases loaded situation with one out to try it. If he handles that he’s got my vote. (last parts a joke people).
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Not a lifer
Fox was drafted as a catcher. He caught in high school and at Michigan. Might have played a touch of third his freshman year of high school.
The Cubs decided Soto was better behind the plate (not a bad decision there) and moved Fox around, trying to find a position. He’s played RF, LF and 1B since. There were thoughts about having him play some 3B in Spring Training, but they never amounted to much.
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Well given him Catching...
I’d put him in the Hot Corner. But we have a powerful bat there already so…
I re-named Cotts a couple of weeks back, now when he comes into the game the wife goes "Hey honey, isn't that your White Towel/Flag being thrown into the game?"
So...is that your answer?
I just checked his minor league stats and, apparently, he’s played a grand total of four games at third base in his minor league career.
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Well
If you’re not going to put him in the Outfield that’s about the only other place he’d feel comfortable. Seemingly the reasoning behind his experience Catching would back up him playing 3rd as for handling the heat, balls in the dirt, etc… What do you propose gives you comfort with him @ 1st? Given the Outfield, again, is not an option.
I re-named Cotts a couple of weeks back, now when he comes into the game the wife goes "Hey honey, isn't that your White Towel/Flag being thrown into the game?"
I never said I'm comfortable with him at first base.
Given what I’ve read, I’m not comfortable with him anywhere on the playing field besides maybe the batter’s box.
So, just to clarify, you would put a player at third base in a major league game who’s spent four minor league games – scattered over several years – at that position? That’s your answer?
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 28, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
My first reaction was that he's an Outfielder...
Not sure where your confusion is there. I said if not there (there being the Outfield)and then given his experience behind the plate and given he has to be plugged into the lineup then the only place I think he’d feel comfortable would be @ 3rd. It seems of though you are simply looking to find an actual argument beyond this topic which is not going to happen.
I re-named Cotts a couple of weeks back, now when he comes into the game the wife goes "Hey honey, isn't that your White Towel/Flag being thrown into the game?"
so
you would actually play someone who has four minor league games at third base as the third baseman for the Cubs.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 28, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
we did with Font who had less IIRC
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
You're ruining their fun
You should just let them play w/ each other, it’s funny to watch; as long as we don’t have to witness it in real life that is.
I re-named Cotts a couple of weeks back, now when he comes into the game the wife goes "Hey honey, isn't that your White Towel/Flag being thrown into the game?"
Brilliant!
Where can I buy your book?
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Tim, I know you're trying to stick up for your buddy...
…but don’t be disingenous. Fontenot established himself last season as an excellent defensive second baseman – in other words, he has skills as a defender that Jake Fox will probably never come within spitting distance of.
Obviously Mike is playing out of position at third base, but he’s doing so only because of Aramis’s injury. Subbing a second baseman at third base in an emergency situation is a lot different than giving an all-hit, no-glove prospect a specific role as a backup third baseman.
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You could ask the audience, y'know.
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how many lifelines
does he have left, Regis?
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 28, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
so this minor leaguer
you know so much about, you don’t know what position he plays?
He’s essentially Micah Hoffpauir with a less funny name.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 28, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
****UPDATE***** Fox homers again today in Nashville
MiLB Gameday: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_04_28_iowaaa_nasaaa_1
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I have to say...
… despite the fact that we do have to discount minor league stats to some extent, Fox is dominating his level to an extent I don’t think I’ve seen before.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What's even more amazing...
My Iowa Cubs friend who watched it on TV said it was a huge shot into the wind.
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Thanks bro
Clicked in time to see the bases get juiced. Now Blanco’s @ the plate, one out.. bases loaded…
I re-named Cotts a couple of weeks back, now when he comes into the game the wife goes "Hey honey, isn't that your White Towel/Flag being thrown into the game?"
I just wish
he could play a position that isn’t already backstopped.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 28, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen!
Thing is apparently they’ve had him spread all over so much he’s not had enough time to settle down anywhere but Left.
I re-named Cotts a couple of weeks back, now when he comes into the game the wife goes "Hey honey, isn't that your White Towel/Flag being thrown into the game?"
Fox roped an RBI double in the 9th
So, through 20 games, he’s hitting .446 with 12 homers and 31 rbi.
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Even for AAA....
… and discounting the stats a bit for a level adjustment, that’s pretty amazing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Albuquerque, Des Moines and Nashville are pretty easy parks...
… but you’re right.
On the other hand, similar performances were made last year by Dallas McPherson and Nelson Cruz. McPherson he fizzled out this year in ST, but Cruz has flourished in Texas. Just sayin’.
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Which only goes to show...
…. that McPherson, Cruz and Fox are all different players with different abilities.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And that all have small sample sizes right now
McPherson may end the year better than Cruz (although their respective opportunities make that exceedingly unlikely in this case).
Derrek Lee is good.
He's trying to force the Cubs' hand
and this performance sure beats pouting about the fact that Hoffpauir beat him out for a roster spot.
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is there not ANYPLACE
we could trade him to for some backup infielders?
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 28, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone want to guess who is hitting 3rd in the PCL at .411
Take a wild guess.
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Is it a redhead?
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Must be rough hitting chip shots at 5,000 feet...
…though a part of me misses Matt Murton right now.
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An "Orange Guy"
Who also has 5 stolen bases. Not to many homers though.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 28, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah yes, the Great Matt Friggin Murton
Mr. Minor League Journeyman. But alas, there are Cub fans around the world absolutely fascinated by players like Murton, Jason Dubois, Josh Kroeger, et al.
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Murton is better than replacement...
…and I’d rather have him in the lineup against lefties than Hoffpauir.
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But I thought Ryan Theriot was a backup infielder?
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by AndrewJStone on Apr 28, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Jake Fox and Micah Hoffpauir can't play the field
Just like Brian Dopirak, Brendon Sing and Jason Dubois couldn’t play the field. Jim Hendry has fascination for scouting and developing big swing DHs. Fox has NO major league future unless he learns how to play at least one postion on the diamond to acceptable defensive standards. So far, he is failing on that front.
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No, he really can't
Did you watch Monday night? Not pretty at 1st base either. Frankly, I’m getting sick and tired of the distraction of Micah Hoffpauir. Why is it that the Cubs ALWAYS need to have a journeyman minor league pile o’ crap as a needless distraction? If its not Jason Dubois, then it’s Matt Murton or Micah Hoffpauir. Enough. Either you are capable enough to be on the Cub 25-man roster (MEANING YOU CAN ACTUALLY PLAY A POSITION CREDIBLY) or your ass should be permanently glued to Des Moines.
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He looks OK to me at first...
…but the sample is still relatively small. Also, again, I’ve read at least a couple people who follow the minor leagues closely (toonsterwu, for one) state that Hoffpauir does, indeed, play a credible first base.
Are you referring to a specific play on Monday night?
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The dive and flop on the ball strategy...
There are many floppers at 1B in the major leagues. We’re blessed with a good defensive 1B with Lee, but you can go down the list at sub-par first basemen with starting jobs: MIke Jacobs, Prince Fielder, Jason Giambi, Russell Branyan to name a few. Their defense is barely tolerable, yet they make it up with solid offense.
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