Question about Baseball Broadcasts
I have a question in regards to the camera work/broadcasts during baseball games. Being a Cubs fan, I pretty much catch at least some of most of the television broadcasts of Cubs games throughout the year (minus some day games of course). My friends and I have consistently noticed that the camera work during Cubs games happens to capture some "high quality" fan shots throughout the game. In fact, it is so blatant at points, that we just call it the "hot chick cam." Please tell me that i'm not the only person who realizes this!
My greater question revolves around the logistics of the camera work for baseball broadcasts. I know that the Cubs games that are done by Len and Bob span several different channels here in Chicago, but I am guessing that they have the same broadcast team, including camera men/women, regardless of what station they are on. So, when Fox/ESPN come into town, I know that they have their own broadcast team, but do they bring in their own cameras and camera men/women to shoot the game? What about the instances where the game is on Fox/ESPN, but the game ends up being on Comcast with Len and Bob locally? I really doubt that there are 2 camera teams shooting the same game. Or is it by stadium? Do the Cubs take their own camera crew on the road with them? Or do they rely on the crew at the road stadium? If this is the case, why is it that the Cubs seem to have such a sweet "Hot Chick Cam" compared to other broadcasts? Or am I just not watching enough of other teams to realize that this is just a part of baseball?
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Of course
Maybe the local camera men are more easily distracted than the national crews
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by bren on Apr 28, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
But I think they’re different cameras because their always seems to be more color when it’s on Fox/ESPN.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 28, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More color?
Are you referring to chrominance? (The color portion of the video signal.) Then it’s called “saturation” and it depends on the camera shader in the truck. And the types of cameras used, although they’re all pretty good these days.
by MN exile on Apr 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There have 2 crews
on several occasions at Wrigley. I have seen it. This happens sometimes even when it is only the visiting teams local broadcast. When ESPN broadcasts the game (not the Sunday game, but a weekday game) and WGN/COMCAST is broadcasting the game, there are always 2 sets of cameras set up in each camera well. Each broadcast crew then has it’s own truck outside the park for the director to pick and choose his shots. THis way if one direcotr wants the 1st base camera man to get a shot of the 3rd baseman, he can get that, and the other director wants the 1st base camera to get a shot of the pitcher, he can get that.
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by kaseyi on Apr 28, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Standard practice.
Home and away feeds, or network and local feeds, and there’s usually at least some "handshaking’ of cameras between trucks.
In answer to the general questions above, there are “regulars” in the crew talent pool that get most of the calls, either home or away feeds. Directors, TD’s, producers, and a very few others will travel with the team, as well as the announcers, of course.
And the “texture” shots are called for from the truck for the most part, although on the way out to breaks, it’s standard practice for the camera people to get these. Often, the director will just say “Faces!” and that’s enough. Happens during other stoppages as well, and also after home runs, goals in hockey, touchdowns, you get the drift.
I used to look for hats, happy kids, and hot babes, in no particular order, when I did sports. It’s called “selling” a shot when you get one and let the director see it first.
When the regulars get to know a director, they know the show he calls, and anticipate. When an out of town director gets an away feed crew that doesn’t know his show, and doesn’t take that into account, tension can result.
There’s also a playback crew and graphics in the truck. The truck chief is generally called the EIC (Engineer in Charge).
I have an edit and a pre-light taking up much of my work day today, I’ll look in again after and I’m sure a couple of other TV types will weigh in. If you have questions, post them here as replies…
by MN exile on Apr 29, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was pretty well said.
I do a lot of font coord work in Florida. It’s always funny how people will say something about the quality of a broadcast on different networks, but it’s really the same people on everything minus the producer and director. Sure, those two can make a huge difference, but in terms of technical work and overall picture quality, not really.
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by camnorris14 on Apr 30, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same trucks, too...
As often as not.
by MN exile on Apr 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't watch many games
but I believe it’s called fan cam where they show the pretty girls.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 29, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like you now have a reason
To watch more games.
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by StevenABQ on Apr 29, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, except that Madison Cub Fan IS a girl.
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by Al on Apr 29, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
Sorry MCF, but if it did give reason for you to watch more games I would have no problem with that.
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by StevenABQ on Apr 29, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great seinfeld reference btw
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In New Zealand...
…Rugby broadcasts it’s known as the “Honey Shot”
by kiwibob on Apr 29, 2009 4:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure, but I've thought of those shots as ads.
Isn’t it called the Bud Light Fan Cam? Ever notice that those “hot chicks” are usually holding a beer. I could be totally wrong because I don’t pay much attention to that. I usually listen on the radio.
by katie casey on Apr 29, 2009 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh its
definitely a “sell the lifestyle” push. They want to show people having fun and drinking beer. to say drink our beer and you too will:
A. Have fun like these hot chicks
B. look like these hot chicks
C. Be with these hot chicks
Its kind of a standard beer commercial gig…
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by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is speaking of something different
They have the Bud Light “Fan Cam” during the broadcasts but it is normally done directly after a commercial break in between innings. They post the Bud Light Fan Cam on the bottom of the screen and normally play music and show various fans (both men and women). However, many times during the game there are shots that are more “sinister” of nature. These are the 5-20 second cuts to women in the crowd. They are normally in groups of 2-3 and scantily clad on warmer days. My wife and I just laugh at this point when they come up. I will never forget the first couple of times she sat and watched a game with me. She asks “Is it just me or have they showed a lot of women…?” “No, Its not just you. Welcome to Cubs Baseball.”
by jajonez77 on Apr 29, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the 'olden days'
WGN director Arne Harris called it the ‘hat shot.’ But may times a babe was wearing a hat. However, the shot has evolved into the ‘babe shot.’
There has been much said here, I can’t add much but, for any given game, there are as many crews as are cable/broadcast outlets covering the game. Now though, with new technology leading to static placement of small cameras which are robotic, I believe crews will share the use of those — but only one crew — usually the ‘home’ crew, is controlling it.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 29, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of hat shots,
did you see the one when we were playing St. Louis the other day of the lady wearing that hat with the dead cardinal on it? That was entertaining.
by katie casey on Apr 29, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen that several
times in person at Cubs games, complete with “X’s” over the eyes. For me it only works if the lady wearing the hat is my grandmothers age — somehow it carries a little more spite.
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by StevenABQ on Apr 29, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's almost as good as someone wearing a shirt
a couple years ago, with the bear cub sitting on a horizontal tree branch taking a dump on a cardinal sitting on a lower branch.
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by blackhawk24 on Apr 29, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
Did they have to be wearing a hat?
by hmlee on Apr 29, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinkin
“olden days” When more women wore dress hats out in public?
Just a guess.
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by StevenABQ on Apr 29, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes...
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Apr 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something tells me
the “Hot Chick Cam” — kinda sucked back then.
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by StevenABQ on Apr 29, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now if these crews can learn to follow a ball
Even ’GN has worsened. CSN sucks but ESPN is always good. Fox has improved.
My rant on the cameras: If they’re gonna show a called strike three, have the common sense to frame the plate in the picture.
As far as the “olden days”, it sure was the hat shot. Even in the 80’s Harry would often reference these to Arne, on-air during the game. They often mixed in the “boats on the lake” and even someone walking outside the ballpark, the fire station, guys leaning out a box-hole in the scoreboard, etc. Boy do I miss the old ‘GN telecasts. You just don’t know how good you have it until it’s no more. RIP Arne, RIP Harry!
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by blackhawk24 on Apr 29, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THEM WERE THE DAYS.....( Old WGN)
We would sit at the corner bar….By the third everyone’s focus was on Harry and what he would say about the good looking babes….Once we even bet beers when Harry would say it..The hotter the day the better because less clothing was worn……This was the early 80’s when not alot of homes had cable TV…..
by cubs north on Apr 30, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can remember...
many years back harry lightheartedly “arguing” with arne harris about what images to put up…big props to those that have followed harry, but i sure miss him and stoney…
as for the “hawt chick cam”, i too have noticed that the truck seems to exploit those images to some degree, but many of these scantily clad women surely make an attempt to dress that way for many ‘o reasons, one of which would be the fact that they’ve possibly seen telecasts and know they can get on tv that way…i believe pam anderson was “spotted” on the jumbotron by a modeling exec or something…and not to get off topic but cubs broadcasts show a plethora of people ranging from elderly women, shall i instead say “lifelong” cubs fans in funny hats with pins a-plenty to small children and ’specially babies w/ “my first cubs game” signs in tow…
anything w/ a W.G.N. (world’s greatest network ALWAYS works) play on words will get you airtime during those broadcasts…same for FOX and ESPN
by 12to23to17 on Apr 29, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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