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Overflow Thread 2: Cubs vs. Diamondbacks, Wednesday 4/29, 2:40 CT

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What happened? Did we use up all the runs yesterday?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 29, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Your 2009 Cubbies.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Apr 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes and I say we should fire Lou

he knows we can only score a certaqin amount of runs per series, and he used them all yesterday damn it

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

No such thing..

Score early, score often

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marmol is struggling

What a mess this turning out to be.

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Apr 29, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson pinch hits

for Burns. 5-0 Diamondbacks, 1 out, bases loaded.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Allright! happy walkin'!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

OUCH!

the truth hurts

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ball two

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Shark Sighting!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Ball three

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Reynolds struck out 204 times last year

Those pitches must have been very outside.

"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."

by louslovechild on Apr 29, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

pleast throw a strike.

please.

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Apr 29, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Ball four.

We can’t blame it on overuse this time. 6-0 Diamondbacks. Lou comes out for Marmol. Shark to pitch. Bases still loaded, one out.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

This is ridiculous

I guess he is in there so that when it matters he doesnt do this.

"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."

by louslovechild on Apr 29, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...

I’d rather have him do this in this game than in a game we’re winning 4-3 ….

by Hilary Lee on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

This happened last year too. Lots of rest = wild.

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marmol didn't allow a hit. Still got it!

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL

"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer

by BoVandy on Apr 29, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is why the cubs are mediocre right now

pitchers walk the ballpark every game and their hitters are the most inconsistent pieces of crap

by lexmarklover on Apr 29, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I guess you didn't break your computer yet, eh?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

every game?

I refer you to 4/28/09.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't get me wrong

i’m just saying stuff to calm myself down. I know but i’m just really freaking pissed

by lexmarklover on Apr 29, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just an all-around awful game thus far.

Classic Chase Field action, really. It’s not helping that I stayed up late the last two nights watching the other games in this series.

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by daver on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Have I mentioned

that I hate this ballpark?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I HATE THIS FREAKIN BALLPARK!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would have let him pitch through it

But hey, what do I know, I just make maps.

by Mapmaker on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

actually I would have too.

He already cemented the loss, leave him out there until he throws freaking strikes

"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer

by BoVandy on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

at some point

it becomes counterproductive. He threw what, one strike to four batters?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember when Marmol blew Harden's first win last year?

What was that, a seven run lead? Lou tried to let him pitch through that one, and it just got crazy. And it led to a completely lost month.

I’m just thankful that this one was on the road. Marmol was awfully sensitive about that last year.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was ugly

even though we won.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

SHARK IN THE WATER!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

you're kidding, right?

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's not Howry. :P

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The difference *is* Wood.

If Kevin Gregg were replacing Bobby Howry, we’d be a better team.

However, he replaced Kerry Wood – a step down.

The re-shuffling of chairs in the bullpen left the entire situation slightly worse. Except Marmol, who remains in the same role, and is hopefully getting his one bad month out of the way in one outing.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Compare Gregg at this point to Wood at this point

I think most of the brainiacs here were ready to crucify Wood at this point in the season last year. So I’m going to wait a bit before rendering any judgments.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're completely missing the point.

Why couldn’t we have Gregg and Wood?

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

$$$$$

Wood wanted long term contract guaranteed, Hendry said no

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

So offer arbitration. If he refuses, hey, free draft pick.

If he accepts, hey, 1-year deal!

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if he accepts, hey, 1-year deal!

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

do you really think Gregg would have gone somewhere with an established closer?

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He came to the Cubs while we still owned Kerry Wood

And with Carlos Marmol as heir apparent.

Hell yes I think he’d go somewhere with an established closer. He wasn’t even the Marlins closer at the end of last year.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm - lost the content of my post.

Why couldn’t we have Gregg and Wood? All we had to do was offer arbitration.

Moreover, no one was crucifying Wood on this site at this time last year – or in any year, frankly.

But especially at this time last year, when he was more or less unhittable. I think he allowed a run in 2 total innings in April last year – he was 2-0 with 4 saves and another 4 scoreless outings. The league was hitting .150 off of him, and he had 12 K to 2 walks.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed....

BUT…instead of “pointing” at specific players….. look at the team…the offense is way down….and the pitching…while decent…is NOT as good as last year

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its April

see us again in May, late May at that.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with that too....

Just observing

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

k...

Im trusting most of our fears in April are worked into new fears by late May…ill wait until then.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

honestly, Marquis is a bigger difference here

Wood being a closer DOES NOT fix the middle relief issue, so its moot.

Marquis allows Cottssucker to be DFA’d and Marshall to be swing man. Marquis also was not as bad as so many say or think, he was a solid #5 who was over paid by Hendry (Not Marquis’ fault)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

HE ate up a lot of innings...

and would have beeen a 3/4 for a lot of teams in the NL last year…

AND he was the “ANTI-DUNCAN”

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wood is not any "mesiah"...

Ask cleveland how they felt about the 3 run homer the other night…

The bullpen wasn’t that good last year.

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you get it, KC?

This team would be 20-0 if only DeRosa and Wood were here!

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

with

a team BA of .750 and team ERA of 0.00

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Silly Polly.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

....

:)

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

On the plus side

this occured during the day while I’m at work so I don’t have to waste three hours tonight.

You know, glass half full and all…

remember
Sammy Jankis

by neverAcquiesce on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

That appearance really didn't give me the feeling

that our only reliever worth a f*ck is fully healthy. Shoulda left him in there to see if he could work some of the rust off.

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

what a horrible, horrible baseball team right now

talent alone is keeping them at .500

they best figure out how to play the game soon

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

STRIKE THREE!

Shark gets the K!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

looks like we will remain without a series win since 2003

in AZ.

did we look like crap all game, or just recent?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

we have two hits against Doug Davis

what do you think?

"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer

by BoVandy on Apr 29, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Demp struggled early

Davis had our number from the start.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

im here now

so its time for us to score some runs.

I DEMAND A WIN

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

and last years offense "fixed that"

…and Demp was in a contract year…

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heck...make him close again...andgo get Peavy

though with SD’s start he might not be on the market anymore

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds like

pitching was off in the first couple and then marmol was just bad. offense has never gotten going.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

pretty much from the get go...

although Soriano and Bradley both ripped a couple balls right at people. Other than that…poop.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 29, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

we still have two ABs left

we can still win!!!

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely

we rocked the Dback’s pen yesterday, we can do i again. Heres to hoff or hill leading off the eigth

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

what gets me is how lethargic they all seem

Fonzi’s comments earlier today are starting to worry me a little bit.

by bluekoolaide on Apr 29, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I missed those. Linky?

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Apr 29, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a fanpost about it.

Derrek Lee basically disagreed, saying that he “doesn’t see it.”

To which I would respond “well, that makes sense.”

To which he would respond, “what are you getting at?”

To which I would point behind him and then run away. But I’d totally tell it differently afterward, and Soriano would think it was cool.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

And yesterday they didn't look lethargic

So … I wouldn’t put a lot of stake in what he said, other than as a motivational tool.

And don’t forget who wrote them. Wittenmyer would fit right in with the ledge-jumpers here.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're claiming what? That he made the quote up?

That Soriano actually said the team is the best he’s ever seen, and we’re going to win 140 games, but in his ledge jumper mind, he heard something completely different?

"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer

by BoVandy on Apr 29, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

What...like7/9 of the Cub lineup?

:)

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yikes.

I didn’t realize things were that bad.

by rencelas on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deep fly ball to center

over Bradley’s head. Three runs score. Upton to second. 9-0 Cubs.

Right. It’s five and Max has baseball practice in 30 minutes. Time for me to go home. Someone else gets to do PBP.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I understand that the Cubs are going to lose

but honestly to lose this way? This is what really makes me mad. Seriously, only 2 freaking hits off Doug Davis. That’s just embarrasing. This team is embarrasing right now.

by lexmarklover on Apr 29, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

He's always pwned us.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes and no.

Davis would go to 8-6 against the Cubs.

Now, Randy Johnson OWNS them. Lock, stock and barrel.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

5 runs on 1 freakin hit!!!

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Apr 29, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 29, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

This bullpen would be comical

if I wasn’t a fan of this team

"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer

by BoVandy on Apr 29, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

shake it off, guys

see you tomorrow!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Later, Drew.

I’m out, too. I am no longer deriving enjoyment from this particular recreational activity.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Apr 29, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shark Ks

ends inning mercifully Snyder

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by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

we will score 14 this inning

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

If we did

what make you think the bullpen will hold the lead?

by sloathcheck78 on Apr 29, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we did that

I’d buy a round for anyone from here who shows up at the 1st game of the Cubs/Indians series

by Craig in South Bend on Apr 29, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't it be funny to see Woody come in and save every game for the Indians?

And DeRosa go 3 for 4 in every game? That would send Hendry a message.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Apr 29, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Lord

Deliver us from evil. Or dumb, whatever the case.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

If by score 14 you mean...

we score 14 Diamondbacks fans who can’t wait to face us again…I think you’re right.

by rrtycoon2 on Apr 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

time for a two out rally

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

he sucks my dogs balls

and my dog is a female

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

in his defense, this is when Joey should be playing

it’s not like we’re honestly going to start a 10 run rally

"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer

by BoVandy on Apr 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's no room on the team for Joey Gathright.

When the Cubs finally do the right thing and cut him, his career will be over. He’s not only our 25th man, but he’s MLB’s 750th man.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's so many things wrong with this.

I feel like letting you know I’m from To Catch a Predator

by Craig in South Bend on Apr 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying Jake Fox is better......

but what in the hell is Gathraight doing holding a major league job. Good Lord.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 29, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

it is sad Gathright can jump further

than he can hit a ball

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

heilman should have

come in after demp; he is rested & ready

by brian custer on Apr 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

a SS with range. check.

(Ojeda)

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

So we're really claiming

Ojeda is a better SS than Theriot.

Now things have really gone off the rails.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is not what I was saying

I just was just commenting off of what LAcarl519 just said. It was timing thing.

by sloathcheck78 on Apr 29, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Timing is everything

I was commenting off what he said more than what you said.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fantastic!

Good to know we’re on the same page.

by sloathcheck78 on Apr 29, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is the least of the Cubs' problems.

Our shortstop is league average with the glove by any and all metrics, and is above average with the bat.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

Theriot has been one of the few guys who’s played OK so far.

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I know

I was just working wiht the timing of the coment.

by sloathcheck78 on Apr 29, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

we have much bigger problems than Theriot

by bluekoolaide on Apr 29, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that theRiot is an average (or even above average) hitting SS who is just in a slump.

But his arm is below average and his range is well below average. Those are sad facts.

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

but I also agree that he is not our problem at this time.

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

the stats have been shown here multiple times

i take it you have not seen them?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not facts, dude.

His UZR is slightly above average in every season he’s ever played shortstop. His range is fine.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

you know that

many disregard facts and stats, because their opinion knows better

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

stats will tell you what you want you to tell them

I know what I see with my eyes.

Again, he is not the problem with this team. Let’s move on.

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I botched that.

anyway. theRiot is not the problem.

Let’s move on.

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

typo: drop "S" at start of sentence. :-(

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have tickets to Saturday's game

I’m seriously wondering whether I want to go. Why spend $60 on food and beer at something that will drive me crazy?

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

because if you dont go

they will score 12 runs and pitch a great game, and you will be twice as pissed for not going

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you don't want them, I'll gladly take them off your hands

feel free to email me.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Apr 29, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, really

You’ll have plenty of takers if you don’t go. (Unfortunately, I have to work.)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed

And I’m certainly not the only one who replied the same way.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

let's not get into it, OK?

I wasn’t trying to start an argument, and there’s been enough of that on this board lately.

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing

I don’t see what was argumentative about what I posted originally at all.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

all right

I was assuming a tone.

I guess I and many others are a little testy.

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

No sweat

Games like this don’t bring out the best in anybody.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

problem is ...

there have been a lot of them lately. Makes BCB a lot less fun.

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lotta good teamsgoing through

similar straits right now. Give it another 5-6 weeks and we’ll have a better handle on things.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

pardon my language

but this shit is getting really annoying and something needs to change

by lexmarklover on Apr 29, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

no. if this team is going to continue to suck major balls

they might as well just show me that right now so i don’t watch them this summer.

by lexmarklover on Apr 29, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

which means

willl watch, just will not have high hopes

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

GASP

Pat Hughes is talking about reading something recently comparing the rate of occurrences of cycles, and no hitters and how pitchers don’t get triples!

BCB shout out!

by Hilary Lee on Apr 29, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I wish Al

Could see this… Pat Hughes is a fan of BCB :)

by Hilary Lee on Apr 29, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

He posts under the moniker of "BLou"

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, that's not nice.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw it!

Pat wrote the foreword to “Cubs By The Numbers” — shameless plug. I’m pretty sure he’s at least aware of BCB; maybe he did read my post this morning.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Given his comments

He definitely did. They were very specific.

by Hilary Lee on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do they have an internet connection in the booth?

Cos he’ll easily get, like, a bazillion BCB points for just one post.

remember
Sammy Jankis

by neverAcquiesce on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

An inference

But, given the very specific nature of Pat Hughes’ comments I knew he was talking about the recap

by Hilary Lee on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

i didn’t hear the exchange.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

take the blackhawks

and keep the bulls. There is ZERO chance that the Bulls advance.

the hawks at least are legit.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the Bulls a lot.

Hell, I even like the Cubs a lot! :-)

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Apr 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

eggxactly

that is why they play the games

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories

BUT

do you really think the NBA would let that happen?

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

but do you really think the NBA wants the Bulls to win that game?

don’t know why it was cut off……

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

also a much larger maket for TV ratings

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's 20 friggin games

10-10……….yeah they look bad but it truly is a loooooooooooooooongggggggg season

by plenz on Apr 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

it is a marathon not a sprint

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

We hear that all the time--

It’s the mantra of the slow starter. Man, Dusty liked to say that while resting half the team to get ABs for Macias and Neifi.

Truth is, April wins count just as much as August wins.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will not argue that fact

but its not like we have 10 games left and are are out 9 games from the Wild Card

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Cubs had average in mind

when they shelled out $140 million for this team.

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I know the Yankees didn't

when they shelled out considerably more.

Thankfully, the season isn’t 20 games in length.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

true ...

though the Yankees probably have more resources to shore things up.

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

They've always had those resources

and it hasn’t done them much good recently.

Patience, grasshopper. The best is yet to come.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gregg seems pretty

nasty…

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

umpire

also appears blind…but i have pitchfx he doesnt

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Ugh.

This game has been horrendous. I have been working on a recap. It’ll be up not long after the last out.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope

you need a re-write…

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by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

For a 10-run rally, I'll stop the presses.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

for a 10 run loss, your recap should be

we came, we saw, we got smoked, see you tomorrow

the end

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

dempster's box score

does not look that good to me, nor did lily’s the other night… and we need marshall in the pen..

by brian custer on Apr 29, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

we are still within a touchdown and a field goal!

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And

there is certainly time for a field goal and an onsides kick…

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by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quick!

Call Jay Cutler and get Shark out there!

by Hilary Lee on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

crap. we need the two point conversion now!!

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think lou should think

about moving heilman into the starting rotation

by brian custer on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you a relative of Heilman?

Starting pitching is not the problem with this team.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we need a regular Bruce Wayne.

You know…Batman.

Okay, that was beyond bad, but a boring workday and horrific Cubs game combine to make my brains alllll goo and 390dakjl yeh.

remember
Sammy Jankis

by neverAcquiesce on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we have deduced

that he IS Aaron Heilman.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra

by DMCub on Apr 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I said...

Can’t expect to score runs when 7/9’s of the starting lineup is hitting less than .220

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

aaron

has been pitching well. he would not squander the opportunity, were he granted it…

by brian custer on Apr 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

how in the world is

having heilman start going to help?

by plenz on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He last started in 2005. And he was awful.

Why take away one of the only useful bullpen arms on the team? Starting pitching is one of the few things that is not broken.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

heilman threw

a complete game 1 hiiter on 4/15/2005; against a very good marlins’ team

by brian custer on Apr 29, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

lemme help with the headline....

Doug Davis K(Y)’s the Cubs

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about: "Cubs Bats Feast On Lefty Junk Pitching"

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're suggesting I post fiction?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, nope.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

cmon, Jerry, that's comedy gold!!

it works on so many levels! The garbage balls he’s throwing, the knockout innings, the —-oh, yeah, I can see why you wouldn’t want to use it on a family site.

Oh well.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about: Skokie changes Dempster St to Dempster Walkway

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy crapfest!

what happened?

I should go back to bed… it’s all a nightmare, right??

by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions  

we only wish

bad pitching, no hitting…pretty much the story of the day.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cripes.

That’s nine.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't look like very good pitching.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Apr 29, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think Marmol is still hurt?

He looked wild, and not in a good way, he he.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Apr 29, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

debatable

perhaps lingering injury, but he also tends to be wild when he hasnt pitched in a few days.

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by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's wild, and there's "walk 4 straight batters" wild.

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by D98 on Apr 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cannot wait for the post game

Either eruption or complete ambivalence from Lou today.

"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."

by louslovechild on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

"Well, we're not hitting.

What do you want me to say? You’re not gonna win if you don’t hit."

remember
Sammy Jankis

by neverAcquiesce on Apr 29, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll bet my life savings on ambivalence

"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer

by BoVandy on Apr 29, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

So is the fact that the bags are loaded in the 9th inning...

…is it because Gregg was put in a “non-save” situation…?

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

no it's because Kevin Gregg is pitching at all

"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer

by BoVandy on Apr 29, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al ...

I hope your summary includes some suggestions about what the Cubs ought to do to fix things/shake things up. I know Hendry and Lou probably won’t read it, but I’d be interested in your take.

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

what we will need

is health and some bullpen help and we’ll be ok. Well…….that and a SS

by plenz on Apr 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

seriously?!

Unless I missed something (I’m not watching the game), how can you possibly think Theriot’s the problem — or, a problem that ranks among the Cubs’ worst? As for health, the only guy out right today is Aramis.

I agree on the bullpen.

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

the hate by some for Theriot is a joke

they make him out to be the worst in the league, and he is far from it.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

He’s far from the greatest, but, at least for me, the Theriot hate is a exaggerated.

remember
Sammy Jankis

by neverAcquiesce on Apr 29, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I absolutely do not hate Theriot

he should be a starter…………….at 2B

by plenz on Apr 29, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree to an extent

The problems the Cubs have right now can be solved with tweaks, not radical overhauls.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

well ...

Lee, Soto and Bradley need to hit a lot better than they are. I can’t imagine where we’d be right now with Sori and Fukudome.

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

Water finds its own level, at least with Lee and Bradley. Soto, however, might be a bigger problem. They need him to produce.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm as worried about Lee

We might be witnessing his decline.

by elgato on Apr 29, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

might?

I hate to say it, but we seem to have been witnessing it for a while

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

it wouldn’t be so bad from the 7 hole though

by plenz on Apr 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I realize that's a popular meme

but I don’t necessarily buy it. People thought Konerko was in “decline,” too, but evidently he isn’t.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

didn't Soto

k about 10x in a row last year and come out of it? Lee is the bigger worry

by plenz on Apr 29, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

we might be saying

the bullpen needs a radical overhaul………let’s see after 40 games

by plenz on Apr 29, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about

at least it wasnt the Mets

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions