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Sunshine, Day Baseball Don't Help: Cubs Walk Ten, Give Up Ten To Arizona, Get Shut Out 10-0

That smirk says, "Try to hit this 45 MPH slop. You can't!"

More photos » by Ross D. Franklin - AP

That smirk says, "Try to hit this 45 MPH slop. You can't!"

Look at it this way: it's April 29, 20 games into the season, and the Cubs don't have to go back to Chase Field again this year.

Well, unless it's the playoffs and in that case I think we'd all be happy to go back there and get some revenge for today's 10-0 shutout at the hands of the D'backs.

Seriously. Looking at the slop that Doug Davis was throwing all day, you can do three things with it:

  • Look at it land outside the strike zone
  • Hit it a long, long way
  • Swing and miss miserably

Unfortunately, today the Cubs selected choice 3. Davis barely threw more strikes than balls, but the Cubs had only two dinky little singles off him and he made the middle of the lineup look awful; the 3-4-5-6 hitters today did manage to draw three walks off Davis, but otherwise couldn't do a thing. Meanwhile, Ryan Dempster was channeling the 2001-vintage Dempster (you know, the guy who led the NL with 112 walks) with a 27-pitch first inning. Dempster threw six innings for the fifth consecutive start -- all five this year, in fact -- but allowed five earned runs and issued three walks, the fourth straight outing where he's walked at least three. Even though Dempster eventually wound up throwing 61 strikes in 97 pitches -- that's good -- the two extra-base hits (a double and homer) he gave up to Chad Tracy accounted for more than enough runs to win the game. Justin Upton put the game out of reach in the 7th inning with a bases-clearing double. (Wasn't it someone here who suggested the Cubs inquire about Tracy's availability, considering he can play third base?)

To add injury (possibly) to insult, Carlos Marmol looked terrible, throwing only five strikes in 22 pitches and walking four, including two with the bases loaded. Is the knee injury he suffered over the weekend worse than we could have imagined? And Kevin Gregg wasn't hurt and also issued three walks -- that was ten altogether for the staff today. That s ... well, that's not good.

The game-time temperature was reported as 88 degrees; I can't remember the last time I saw a regular season day game played -- by anyone -- in Phoenix with the roof open (I went to one, an exhibition game between the Cubs and D'backs before the 2003 season; during the Opening Day game in 2005 they had the roof open for the pregame ceremonies, but closed it for the game). Chase Field looks strange in sunshine.

Still, I am not concerned. Wait, that's not right. Yes, I am concerned. The Cubs have to get healthy -- and then they have to start scoring runs on a consistent basis. Milton Bradley, you can tell, is still not 100% -- he wasn't running at full strength going after Upton's double, and that has to be because his leg is still bothering him. Still, at this point I think he has to get out there and play. The Cubs are 10-10 -- that's .500 on the road, which is good; they didn't go over .500 in road games in 2008 until their sweep of the Brewers in Milwaukee in July. But their 4-4 mark at home isn't reflective of the talent this team has.

Enough for now. Tonight, go take a walk around your neighborhood or see a movie or do something else to forget about this awful game. The Cubs are home tomorrow and things have to get better.

Right?

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That was a crappy game.

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by DTJchris on Apr 29, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel like I need a shower after todays game!

"I'll tell you what's helped me my entire life. I look at baseball as a game. It's something where people can go out, enjoy and have fun. Nothing more." - Harry Caray

by goodstuff96 on Apr 29, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We all do.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I suggest

take in a minor league game?

Although for those in the Chicago area, you’ve only got 15 minutes to get out to Kane County before the game starts there.

by Josh77 on Apr 29, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

Rush hour traffic from my house? I think I could probably get there by 8:15 or so.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy

I’m glad i don’t live in Chicago…plus I can walk to our minor league stadium from my office if i was so inclined…

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's that?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chattanooga

the Lookouts have a stadium down town, probably a mile from my office. I’m planning on catching a few games when the Smokies are in town

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds great!

Post a report in the minor league recap when you go.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely.

Love Josh’s minor league recaps.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peoria Chiefs are in Burlington tonight

Could have forgone this game entirely and driven over there for it. Maybe even hit the casino. Wait, bad idea. Besides, I’ll hit Potawatomi when I see the big club in Milwaukee next week … :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely post some recaps!

I have some scouting questions too if you’re so inclined. We’re starting to get some good Smokies reports.

by Josh77 on Apr 29, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh

My email is now in my profile, please feel free to send me your scouting questions. I will try to get to a game. I don’t know how “well trained” my eyes are, but I can tell you what I see.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Love AT&T Field

I’ll be in Chattanooga for a day game between the Lookouts and Mobile Bay Bears on June 3 before going to Atlanta for a night game between the Cubs and Braves.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Apr 30, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im thinking

about going to one of the cubs games in atlanta that week. Not sure which one.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 30, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're lucky

No more minor league team here in Tucson. Sidewinders left here for Reno. An independent league will be starting here in a few weeks and will go and check that out but I don’t think the quality of ball will be very good.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Apr 29, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Toros?

Should be fun. Cheap tickets. We haven’t had Toros in a long time.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are bring back the Toros name

$5 tickets. Will certainly spend a few warm summer nights at Hi Corbett.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Apr 30, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meant to say "Bringing back"

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Apr 30, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I’m looking forward to it — going to a few games with some Snakepitters.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 30, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I lived in Des Moines I loved going to I-Cubs games

Back when Hee-Seop Choi, Bobby Hill, and Corey Patterson were still the Next Big Things.

"I'll tell you what's helped me my entire life. I look at baseball as a game. It's something where people can go out, enjoy and have fun. Nothing more." - Harry Caray

by goodstuff96 on Apr 29, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto here...

… the yearly tour of Prior and Wood through Sec Taylor (or Principal Park or whatever it is now) was for sure a high point of my summer every year.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Apr 30, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did even better

went to little league practice and ran the bases. I got to slide home! Gave the little bugger my spikes, too! HAH!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like I was run over by a truck today.

so I got my payback.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 30, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually surprised....

I would have figured I’d see at least seven “I’m done with the Cubs, throwing in the towel for rooting for baseball forever” after this game….none have popped up……yet lol

Chuck Norris is a Cubs fan...

by Walker71421 on Apr 29, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont think

the haters from the last game thread have made it over yet…

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SHHH!

Don’t tell them this is here. Let them calm down a bit first.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i missed the first two game threads

but i can just imagine the hatred they had

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and I'll admit I didn't handle their negativity as well as I should have

Sometimes I can’t help it. But just like the Cubs, none of us is perfect.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it happens to the best of us

I find the best therapy after a game like this for me is to call any customer in Arizona tomorrow and harass them for money

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In that case

You should have a record-setting day Thursday.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

should have seen me when the Eagles knocked the Bears out of the playoffs

in 2002………

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I made it about as far as the roll call...

… before i had to be done with the whole thing. We are losing, players aren’t doing well, blah blah blah, i get it.

It turns out being more and more of a jerk is NOT proportionally related to the cubs scoring more and more runs.

: : : Shakes head in disgust : : :

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Apr 30, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm alright now

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Apr 29, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't one more person have paid to see this game?

Attendance was 26,999.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

We got as many hits as the Pirates did today. And gave up nine more runs.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

free bases will kill any team

even the best

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least the pitcher didn't homer against the Cubs today

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Apr 29, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

man

this season has been very different then last season. The cubs seem to either have everyone clicking on offense or no one clicking in this games. ie the last two games a 11-3 win and a 0-10 loss. But i really do think that its all because of the opposing pitcher and lingering injuries. Sometimes you just have to as much as i hate to say it tip your cap to the opposition. But still I am still neither worried. This team is incredibly strong and will bounce back to win the division. There is SO MUCH baseball left. The cubs have an incredible line up and one of the best skippers in the game. So games like this hurt but more cubbies will be smiling in the future.
GO CUBS

by cooltrev on Apr 29, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right on

Great attitude and I think the proper one for this time of year. Look forward, even Cubs fans cant be down on their team at every opportunity.

This team has serious flaws, so do the Yankees, Rays, Red Sox, Indians, White Sox, Angels, Athletics, Rangers, Mariners, Cardinals, Brewers, Pirates, Phillies, Mets etc. its only a matter of time before the fatally flawed teams fall from contention and the minorly flawed teams rise to the top.

There are things to be concerned about, but if anyone thinks that Lou and Jim Hendry are not looking at addressing those concerns they have not watched this team the last few years. Our concerns in a month most likely will be completely different than they are now. The guys who are going to come around will and the rest will find homes elsewhere.

Anyways, great hanging out with you guys today. I am going home.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing Lou and Hendry have shown

is that they are willing to fix things and address concerns.

This won’t be like 2005, when Dusty had Patterson lead off for three months even though it was apparent he couldn’t hack it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does seem...

that we are either all hot/all cold. My memory may be exaggerating it, but I feel like last year we always had one or two guys who would step in and lift the team whenever everyone else was struggling overall.

Obviously it’d be great if we could find that magic again…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 29, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, for the most part that was true

There was that stretch in September that was a lot like this one, however. I guess the big difference is that came at the end of the season and this is coming at the start of it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

It’s funny—though not surprising I guess— how the placement of a streak (good or bad) really impacts how people react to it.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 29, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just ask Jacque Jones...

he wound up having a pretty decent first season with the Cubs. But his first month was so awful that he never got out of the doghouse with most people.

It’s just a lot easier to identify (both good and bad) stretches when it’s right out of the gate, because the overall impact is not muted by the rest of the season (yet).

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the bright side...

I guess that means teams like the Mariners and Blue Jays are in for great attendence the whole year :) Actually, I hope so. The more people following baseball, the more people that will witness Cub fans revel in the glory of a World Series victory this year…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 29, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say this

But this is feeling very “2006”. Everytime we think Cubs are about to click and go on a good run they play horribly for a few days. Then they win two, things are looking OK and then lose horribly the next day.

I think things will get better and this is a small snippet but I can’t help but not feel this way.

by ak123 on Apr 29, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see much of 2006 in this season, aside from the current record...

That team just had really really bad pitching. This team has a better offense and better pitching.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The 2006 and 2009 teams are worlds apart.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I forgot to mention the difference in managers even...

But man, that rotation was BAD. We had 16 starts from Rich Hill (who was actually solid that year), a good year from Zambrano, a #5 starter quality 2/3 of a season from Maddux, and the rest of the rotation was filled in by a bunch of guys who probably weren’t even ready for AAA yet (Mateo, Guzman, Marmol, Marshall).

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are world aparts

But I said I feel the same way I felt in 2006 in regards to expecting each series for things to turn around when they don’t.

The major difference is that this team will be able to turn around their woes and win a lot more games.

by ak123 on Apr 29, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps you were too optimistic in 2006...

There was really no reason to expect things to turn around, especially once Wood, Prior, and Lee went down. That was just not a good baseball team by mid-May.

This team, as you said, at least has the proven talent on the roster to turn it around. The 2006 team just lacked the horses.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

7-22 in May 2006

I believe that was the Cubs’ record that month. For all intents and purposes, the season was over at that point, particularly without the biggest horses for the rest of it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and needless to say

I highly, highly doubt this team ever will go 7-22 over a month.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch

Dont remind us :(

by jeff_pico on Apr 29, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

And I’m always over optimistic with Cubs. I think at times we all have to be.

by ak123 on Apr 29, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is more 2004

Great team, picked to go far, lots of injuries. Still, this team is much better than the 2004 team.

by dr stabbingworth on Apr 30, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Long time reader first time poster

Good evening! Just thought you guys should know i love this site and have been following you guys since spring trainning and i find your insight very valuable (Except for the useless we need this and we need that crap.)

I’m a baseball gambler and your knowledge of your team has helped me greatly so far and i hope to be along for the marathon all the way to October.

I don’t bring much into insight, but i have been following you guys religiously so far in this young season.

This is my first year betting on baseball as it seems to be the only sport where you can actually win money from (trust me, i’ve learned the hard way with the others).

I decided to ride the Cubs and with your help, i’ll get through this marathon with some $$$.

So, again, it’s my first year so, my contributions will be limited, but i will have tons of questions for ya!!

Looking forward to this homestand Arami$ coming back!

GO CUBS!!!

by Freddyd on Apr 29, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

welcome

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Apr 29, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome and...thanks for betting?

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by dtpollitt on Apr 29, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GET THAT W FLAG

Ready for Friday afternoon,,,,,,

by cubs north on Apr 29, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Thursday?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Apr 29, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

howdy

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So hard to figure this team out

10 runs one day, 6 the previous 4 games, then 2, then 10, then 0. Hopefully the bats will show up tomorrow. I’ll chalk this game up to “getaway day” and look forward to hooking the Fish tomorrow.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Apr 29, 2009 6:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There was a motion in the last thread

that seems reasonable – even for me:

June 1 is “not early” anymore…

It is pretty obvious that this team is weakened without Woody and DeRo. Whether they will be able to win the Division or Wild Card will depend on if they dramatically improve in every category right now – although starting pitching is pretty good.

This means, hitting with RISP, bullpen, defense. They have A LOT of work to do, in spite of how “talented” they are on paper.

by The E-Man on Apr 29, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No offense...

but that sounds awful chicken little-ish. I haven’t followed if you fall into the category (so apologies if you don’t), but I’m bemused by the sentiment of panic that seems to have set in for some folks.

I do think we have some stuff that could be better, but this isn’t a bad team the likes of the Padres, et al. that needs to be torn down and rebuilt. It’s still early. When guys get healthy we’ll have a better idea of where the team stands. And I feel pretty confident saying that at that point, it’ll become apparent that thigns aren’t nearly as bad as some BCB’s are saying it is. Some minor tweaks here and there maybe, but we’ll be fine.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 29, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

E-Man usually is pretty even-keeled

But I think the playoffs last year threw him off his stroke a bit. Like the Cubs, he’ll be fine.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

And it’s still a month till June 1.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and BTW...I wasn't being sarcasstic or mean....

just giving you may take on “seeing the same thing”

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't attribute your keen observing to just 2 players...

Wood hasn’t been a whole lot better than Gregg …. and DeRosa, while knicking in runs for RBI’s isn’t exactly teraing up the AL……BUT….

Here’s my take….

1. TThe Cubs miss DeRo…b/c of his ability to hit (in the clutch)…and PLAY lot’s of positions…
2. The bullpen wasn’t particularly good last year…and it isn’t much better (maybe worse) this year.
3. Pitchin g has been OK this year…but starters were VERY GOOD last year…andd that’s sshowing u now…specially….
4.. B/C the Cubs aren’t SCORING…..

Wood and DeRosa MAY or MAY NOT have helped…but … yes one can argue body for body…BUT it isn’t as smple as Miles for DerO and Wood for Gregg…

As a team…the Cubs aren’t playing better than last year…

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the issues are easy

Marmol should close
Wood would have guaranteed we scored and hit the ball better
Theriot is too above average to be able to man SS
MB is done, he never will hit again
Dlee is too “nice” about the teams problems, and should be sent to see a therapist
Soriano has anger issues, and will challange Lee at UFC 100 Live from Las Vegas
The ledge jumpers have buiilt a grandstand so they can see over Wrigley Field in the US Cell
Hendry forgot to reup the contract with Wheeties for between inning snacks
Zell asked the Cubs to lose so that the sale will be prolonged
Rickets is the Cubs savior, but so is Cuban, and MTV will have a celebrity Death Match for Cubs ownership
Its 20 games in, so the other 142 are guaranteed to produce the same results
Jake Fox is a modern day He Man and needs to be batting 4th
Lou cannot manage, he just got luck with two winning seasons in the NL Central
The entire team should be sent to Iowa and the iCubs should be at Wrigley tomorrow

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that about sums it up :)

Of course you forgot that Hoffpauir is headed for the HOF.

by jeff_pico on Apr 29, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats not an issue

thats a guarantee :=)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You wrote all that

and never mentioned DeRosa? I’m disappointed.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we all know he would have pitched 20 perfect games by now

didnt think I had to remind us of that

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hi Emelie

who is this Peavy you speak of?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can he back up

third base?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh-heh

Emelie wants Jake Peavy to come over to her house and lay some cable… hur hur hur…

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 30, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alon with Jake Fox.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 29, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Along, Along dammit.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 29, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

over rated from the start

This team had its heart taken away when De Ro was let go. They are highly over rated. A third place finish in Central Div would be good for the players they have now, Harden is by far there best most dependable starter. Waiting on next year already

by Larki40 on Apr 29, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha! Good spoof

of all the ledge-jumpers out there. Excellent piece of satire.

Right?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice

1st comment. see ya next time the cubs lose.

by bheidge on Apr 29, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, troll!

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by dtpollitt on Apr 29, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, third place?

you’re picking us to do better than the Pirates? You optimist, you.

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by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any news on Ramirez?

He might be dl’d? So what is that 2 weeks?

by Freddyd on Apr 29, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct

but it would be retroactive to last weekend, so it would be more like eight days.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

8 days

lets just throw in the towel, we will lose 45 games during those 8 days

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

more like a million

April ledge jumpers are always awesome, and a great contribution to society.

by NittanyCub on Apr 29, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ledge jumper = comic relief IMO

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are a bizarre bunch...

I often wonder if they’re hormonely imbalanced teenagers or if they just have never followed a team through the ups and downs of a season before…? :o)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 29, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or bandwagon - fairweather fans

who will move on to another SBN group until that team is losing

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends on the situation?

If its June 1st and you are 10 games out its not early anymore

If its July 1st and you are only 3 games out, its still early enough to make waves.

by jeff_pico on Apr 29, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade Deadline

is the fail safe point to me. after that making moves will not be as easy

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bring it back!

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally want

those pants. However, my wife is not likely to allow me to have them.

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by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drew

Mine either. I had a pair of bright orange pants that she refused to allow me to wear out of the house…

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by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT Jonathan Toews turned 21 today

I hope they continue the Canadian Drive By with a victory in the second round over Vancouver

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

End of July...

with a second post-waiver trade deadline of end of August.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

for those who missed it, CSN will be replaying todays game

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

still better than a White Sox game

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by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That might be the first rebroadcast that has zero viewers.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oboy?

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by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When we continue to see our pitchers not execute, I ask:

Why does Lou have so much faith in Larry Rothschild?

Why is it that many guys leave this staff and do better elsewhere? Or when guys get here, they rarely improve upon the game that they brought to the Cubs. I know Larry is no Dave Duncan, but I have never liked his approach. Maybe he is just too weak to be his own man in front of Lou, but I didn’t like him when he ran the staff with Dusty.

I know walks are 51% mental, but this has to get solved, and fast. It is contagious. I am not a ledge-jumper and it is a long season. I just think there is plenty of talent on this staff that doesn’t get fully exploited. I have faith in the pitchers (ex-Cotts) that we’ve got.

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by LAcarl519 on Apr 29, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i think it is less Rothchild

and more the strike zone. we have not seen many consistant calls this year so far.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster got a lot better with Rothschild last year...

Zambrano turned out okay. Lilly has worked out.

Rothschild isn’t a great pitching coach, but I don’t think he’s the problem. I suspect that (like managers), there are very few exceptionally good ones. Most are pretty interchangeable. Obviously there are exceptions, like Duncan. But even Duncan has his faults (doesn’t work well with young pitchers – he’s better with reclamation projects).

But ultimately a lot of it is just the pitchers performing (or not performing). Dempster has struggled with walks throughout his career. Last year, he did really well to limit walks. So far this year (though it’s early), he’s walking guys like he did earlier in his career.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus with any coaching

you can tell them what adjustments to make, but you cannot make the adjustments for the players

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rothschild

I’m sure if there was some ‘magic dust’ Rothschild could sprinkle on the pitching staff to keep them from walking guys he would have done that a long time ago. Dempster is just prone to walks. He’s always near the league leaders in batting average against he’s got good stuff just doesn’t know where its going sometimes.

by jeff_pico on Apr 29, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...

The Cubs have trouble with walks because we have pitchers who have trouble with control. Guys like Harden and Lilly don’t have problems with walks because they have good control. Guys like Zambrano, Dempster, et al don’t have the same control, and thus are more prone to the walks.

The pitching coach can only do so much.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

he can only suggst changes and hope that pitchers listen, and he also can only work with the talent he is handed by Hendry

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That all said

An exceptional pitching coach can do a lot. But there’s only one Dave Duncan. I suspect he’s even better than Leo Mazzone was. How often did/has Mazzone made chicken salad out of chicken cr@p?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how many good pitchers were given to Mazzone

Maddux
Smoltz
Milwood
Hampton
to name a few

what has he done in Baltimore?

some of what made him look like a genius was how prepared the pitchers he received were from the farm havng the kids ready, or the pitchers signed that were well scouted before coming in to Atlanta

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just threw a few names fast

but yes, that name helps further my thought process

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mazzone simply had a good philosophy...

But that philosophy only went as far as his 3 hall-of-fame pitchers could carry it. Duncan is far better at alchemy than Mazzone.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

part of his philosophy

was if he felt he could not make u good, you were gone ASAP, he did not give many chances to under performers (like how he didnt keep Marquis long, etc)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant his actual pitching philosophy...

as in:

Work the outside corner (especially low and outside). Don’t give in to the hitters. And don’t overthrow.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Atlanta also had some generious calls from the umps

which helps ANY pitching staff

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Glavine, especially, worked about 6 inches off the outside corner for strikes.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

which helps make the pitching coach look amazing

dont it

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part

of getting good calls is learning how to pitch to get good calls. There are a couple of really good analysts that have shown how pitchers like glavine and maddux will actually work in such a way that they fool not just the batter but often the ump as well. You start with a pitch that is definately a strike and take it gradually farther and farther off the plate and test the zone.

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by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

But Glavine in that 98 playoff game was just a mockery. In my eyes his whole career deserves an astericks. He got 3 extra inches his whole career and I really don’t understand why.

by jeff_pico on Apr 29, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its

Harry Pavaldis who posts here, he was saying something about the umpires getting between 2 and 4 inches on either side of the plate in the grading system. So its not out the question. I don’t know anything particular. I just know what ive seen and heard between analysis and recent games watching on game channel with pitch fx.

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by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

but how’d Duncan do with Marquis…vs. Rothchilds?

PS I don’t know the answer…just food for thought

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

Marquis might be the most notable flameout under Duncan. Yet he did well under Larry. Go figure.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

did excel under Duncan or Mazzonne

but he was also younger when in Atl which might have something to do with that one

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 30, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

In reference to what Larry did when Dusty was manager, it doesn’t help when your two best starting pitchers are injured more often than not. Lou seems to think pretty highly of Larry.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou won a WS in Cinci with Rothchild

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Rothschild was the bullpen coach, but yes...

he was on the staff for the 1990 Reds team. But again, it’s easy to look good when you have good pitchers to work with.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe I'm saying this

but I agree with SC again.

Rothschild doesn’t get the credit he deserves a lot of times. Marquis wasn’t too shabby under his guidance, either, and Marmol’s switch from a poor starter to a very solid reliever probably didn’t develop from thin air.

Like SC said, Dempster needs to cut down on walks. If he does that, he’ll be fine.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

that a good pitching coach, like was mentioned with Mazzone will recognize when he can’t help a particular pitcher and send them packing. He won’t worry about them having success elsewhere because he recognized that they didn’t fit his system.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Demp had his contract year last year....

and…..Marquis didn’t exactly flourish under the annointed “KING” of all pitching coaches AKA Duncan

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

grading the Cubs after 20 games is almost as bad as graging Obama after 00 adys in office

its is way too soon to

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

100 days*********

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the box scores from the first 20 games

The Cubs have played their “A” lineup (Soriano, Fukudome, Lee, Bradley, Ramirez, Fontenot, Soto, Theriot – in no particular order) 5 times. Look at that again – 5 times. I’m pretty certain this team was built for those 8 to play together more than five times.

As Al said in his recap, this team needs health. With so many injuries, Lou has not had the luxury of using players in their normal spots in the batting order (see Reed Johnson batting fourth the other night) or using his role players as intended (with the exception of Joey Gathright, perhaps).

(If you want to point out a flaw with this team, I would go with the lack of a replacement in the event of an Aramis Ramirez injury. While it’s odd to say, Ronny Cedeno would have played a role for this team in that spot, allowing Fontenot to stay at second.)

Once this team is healthy (and it hopefully will happen in the next week or so), I except things to start clicking, once players get comfortable with their spots in the batting order and in their roles for this team.

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by Trey2317 on Apr 29, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Well said...

One of the biggest differences between this year’s team and last year’s team is depth. Last year’s team (once we got Edmonds, that is) could withstand a few injuries in the lineup. This year’s team probably has more top-end talent when everyone is healthy, but it’s not built to handle multiple injuries at once.

The hope was that the injuries would be few and far between. So far, that hasn’t been the case. Hopefully, the team will have better health in the near future.

That said, the team’s health is something to keep in mind throughout the year. Hopefully the bench will be tweaked a bit (if possible) to provide better coverage for injuries (we’ve got some dead weight on the roster right now). But if the team can get and stay healthy, the results should get much better.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When everyone is healthy, this team is deep

Johnson, Miles, Hoffpauir and Gathright (to an extent) all can fill different roles for this team (platoon, spot starting, power off the bench and speed). The problem arises, as you’ve said, when there are multiple injuries, exposing guys who are limited in their roles.

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by Trey2317 on Apr 29, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I mean by not deep...

We have a great starting 8 and good role players. Last year’s team had 10-deep in terms of capable everyday players (including a guy who could play 5 positions), and solid role players after that.

I think the organization expected more out of Miles (which was, I think, a poor evaluation), which is a big reason why we don’t look as deep this year.

But as long as the team is healthy, it’s really capable.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I suspect

pieces will be added and subtracted to that depth as we roll along. Maybe having this dilemma now is good, because at least there’s enough time to get through it and rectify any problems should this happen again.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would suspect the same

and the nice thing is, we’re discussing the 21st, 22nd players on the roster – in the grand scheme of things, it’s not a terribly big deal and is a luxury to have this problem instead of something far worse.

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by Trey2317 on Apr 29, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moves will almost certainly be made...

I think that Piniella has given up on Miles as a utility guy and I think he’s given up on Gathright. I think the Ramirez injury illustrated the need for a backup on the left side of the infield (Fontenot is a great option at 2B, but not a good solution at 3B).

Also, Cotts and Patton have to be on thin ice. There are probably 3-4 spots on the 25-man roster that could be adjusted to improve the team.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha.

I would agree that Miles looks like a serious reach right now, especially as Lou seems reluctant to play him anywhere but 2B. If he starts hitting, though, I could see Lou moving him around more.

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by Trey2317 on Apr 29, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cedeno at third

could have been very interesting to see.

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by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gathright has got to go.

I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again. He’s completely worthless to this team. Completely.

by kanderber on Apr 29, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

how has Gaithright lost us any games?

And who would be such a great fit on this team as the 25th man?

by jeff_pico on Apr 29, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Jake Fox.

ANY infielder.

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 29, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not about him costing us games...

that’s a silly way to measure a bench player’s value.

A better question would be this: what has Gathright done to contribute? Honestly, has he done ONE thing to contribute?

by kanderber on Apr 29, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has hw won "us" any?

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is my point

He’s basically not been a net positive or a net negative for the team. I personally like a speed guy at the end of the bench. He’s not a pinch hitter but neither was Ronny Cedeno.

by jeff_pico on Apr 29, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a negative because he fills a spot that is needed elsewhere

While also contributing nothing to the team.

Surely Felix Pie could have done this for half the salary.

by dr stabbingworth on Apr 30, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the pickoff in STL

… was a huge, huge rally killer.

by elgato on Apr 30, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, we rarely got blown out last season

but this year I feel like every game we lose, we lose big time as a result of the bullpen. Very 2005-ish type pen we have..

Movement to make Jeff Samardzija our closer!

by Chanman25 on Apr 29, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we also rarely had an injury

we got very lucky last season with minimal injuries.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aramis I remember was out a lot, so we had DeRosa fill is shoes

Soriano was out for awhile as well and we had Reed in to play. We had much more depth last season than this year. If someone was heavily slumping, someone could take his place

Movement to make Jeff Samardzija our closer!

by Chanman25 on Apr 29, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup yup

Movement to make Jeff Samardzija our closer!

by Chanman25 on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As did Edmonds...

a shockingly good season.

Of course, Fukudome had a pretty terrible second half.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds might have been the biggest surprise of 2008

I think he was universally proclaimed dead when he was acquired. I know I didn’t like the move.

But I was wrong, as were almost all of us. Glad for that.

Although I disagree with Al about re-acquiring him. Gary Gaetti all over again, I fear.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, for two reasons...

First, I think he’s not likely to repeat his otherwordly 2008. He was mediocre in 2006, bad in 2007, and awful in early 2008. I’m hesitant to let a nice 3-4 months override a three-year trend.

Second, I think there isn’t the same need. We don’t have a gaping hole in the lineup unless someone gets hurt for a long period of time. And we don’t need another LH bat.

If he could come for the league minimum and would be okay with being a pinch hitter and Bradley insurance, I’d be fine with it. But I doubt that’s what he’d be looking for.

by SouthernCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa and Cedeno

both played 3B and Cedeno, for all his bonehaeded things, had a good arm and did not do a horrible job filling in defensively there

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup, I kind of miss Cedeno

Movement to make Jeff Samardzija our closer!

by Chanman25 on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where is ONEDEC now?

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 29, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

playing for seattle

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by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cedeno

154/241/308

1 HR and 1 RBI 26 at bats.

by jeff_pico on Apr 29, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That trade actually worked out OK.

Essentially, Pie, Hill and Cedeno for Heilman. I think the Cubs came out ahead on that one.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny how that would have landed us ....

nope not going to say it..

Movement to make Jeff Samardzija our closer!

by Chanman25 on Apr 29, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it wouldn't.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 30, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was gonna say a certain 2b

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by Chanman25 on Apr 30, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

It still wouldn’t.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 30, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would have landed a lot more a year or two ago...

whether or not it would have landed Roberts. But Pie and Hill were untouchable.

Just goes to show, dealing in prospects is a tricky business.

by SouthernCub on Apr 30, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hill was a bit more than a "prospect".

He won 13 games for a division champion and was one of the better LH starters in the NL in 2007. His decline is inexplicable.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 30, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the point, but sure...

You’re nitpicking the term prospects which is beside my point. Playing along though – Pie and Hill were also untouchable in 2006, when they were both still prospects. They could have commanded more than they ultimately landed us.

I’m not saying I would have traded them either. I was just saying that trading guys at the right time is a lot harder than it seems (whether they are prospects or just young MLBers).

by SouthernCub on Apr 30, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah hindsight 20/20

Hill looked like he was going to be the next Zito (which he actually did do) and Pie was going to be our CF for at least ten years

Movement to make Jeff Samardzija our closer!

by Chanman25 on Apr 30, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree with that.

Had anyone known what Hill was going to do last year, they could have traded him after 2007 and gotten a whole passel of top prospects, or maybe a starting MLB shortstop.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 30, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs were able to avoid multiple injuries at a time last year

losing your 3-4-5 hitters at once is blow that will hurt any team. And yes, having DeRosa to plug the leaks last year helped, but he could have only filled in at one spot this year when Bradley and Ramirez were both out.

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by Trey2317 on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, but we didn't have Bradley last year

plus Fukudome could have moved to RF, Reed in CF, that would have worked

Movement to make Jeff Samardzija our closer!

by Chanman25 on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would have

but then we’d be worried because Reed hasn’t hit on a daily basis yet.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Apr 29, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that,

But early last year, it seemed that whenever the Cubs lost momentum on the road, they returned to Wrigley Field. It happened on several occasions, in particular when the Cubs struggled in Houston and Pittsburgh, when they lost four of six. They came back home, and swept a seven-game homestand against Colorado and the LA Dodgers.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 29, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Aside from Soriano’s extended hiatus, the mysterious Wood blister and some usual Aramis stuff, the team was pretty healthy last season.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't that enough?

i don’t think Soriano+Aramis+Wood was by no means negligible.

We had big injuries last year too. The big difference is the bench strength.

by cubsnlinux on Apr 29, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano's injury

was the only “big” injury the Cubs had.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs got blown out 9-0 by the Reds on May 7, 2008.

They looked awful that day. They had just finished a stretch of going 5-9.

Just about then they took off and never looked back.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that was the Lieber game right?

But the Cubs giving up close to 10 runs per game has been a common affair this year so far

Movement to make Jeff Samardzija our closer!

by Chanman25 on Apr 29, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they gave up 9 to the Rockies

in the game they came back in the bottom of the ninth.

The only stats that matters are wins. Obviously we need to get more. But I don’t care how many runs score during the game, so long as we have more than the other team by the time the game is over.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no.

I think Heilman is a great find. I like Guzman and I think Patton has real potential. Marmol is the fireman, and I really don’t think Kevin Gregg is as bad as other people do. Shark provides that swing-man coverage. The only really not great guy is Cotts, and Lou appears to have a blind spot with him. That’s seven, with the five starters, that’s twelve pitchers. I’d like to see Cotts go away, and have us get another lefty — not necessarily a LOOGY, but a lefty — but other than that, I’m happy to stand pat.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I think Cotts is the only hopeless case in the bullpen right now.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 30, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was at that game

It rained off and on all day, and the Reds just teed off on Lieber. That was a long ride home afterward.

They were 2-4 last season at GABP, I believe.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 30, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and then didn't they come and do it to us

at Wrigley as well? To Jon Lieber AGAIN?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 30, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a day game that Cincinnati

I was cleaning and it was one of the few day games last season, that I was frustrated enough to turn it off and turn back on public radio.

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 30, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this game

was NOT the result of teh bullpen.

Besides, don’t you remember the games vs Cincy last year? Wossnames, that one pitcher, he got destroyed by them twice.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes!

Poor John Lieber.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also feel like we have not played at home

Movement to make Jeff Samardzija our closer!

by Chanman25 on Apr 29, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Bruce - or Other Brothers/Sisters

Did Bruce Froemming finally retire, or is he still with us?

Also, has Big “Country Joe” West retired this year finally?

That guy has difficulty running out to the outfield anymore.

I imagine they are protected heavily by the Union.

by The E-Man on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Retired 2 years ago

Insert witty and/or humorous signature here.

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not an on-field ump anymore

but I still think he works with MLB in some capacity, as an advisor to Selig. He and Bud both live in Milwaukee.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhhh...

That’s interesting.

Did not know that.

I think we have one Ump living in the Chi area, but I forget whom.

by The E-Man on Apr 29, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, didn't know that.

Next time I’m in the Milwaukee area, I’ll keep my eye out for a sofa wearing a little black cap.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if you see him,

tell him I’m still pissed at him for screwing Milt Pappas out of a perfect game.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that

was a pretty douchey move.

Insert witty and/or humorous signature here.

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Joe West

still is active. For better or worse.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may know this...

But Cowboy Joe has a “band” and a website.

HA! lol

by The E-Man on Apr 29, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

three blind mice

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you meaning...

that’s one of their “Hits”?

by The E-Man on Apr 29, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or the name of the band

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 29, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know

Too funny. Although he was OK in “The Naked Gun.”

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HE WAS IN THE

NAKED GUN??!!

No Fing Way!

by The E-Man on Apr 29, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe he was one of the umps

with Leslie Nielsen in the ballpark scene.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 29, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is SO

Funny, Bruce!

Now I have to rent it after twenty years just to see that!

by The E-Man on Apr 29, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

next time we play at Chase

any chance we can move the games to hohokam?

by bheidge on Apr 29, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about Milwaukee?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the kind of game that makes me drink too much beer.

It just needs to be forgotten about.

The biggest problem with this team is that I can’t figure out what its identity looks like. We looked unstoppable yesterday, and we got TWO F-ING HITS on DOUG DAVIS today. I have no idea which is the real team. It’s very frustrating, and I know we as BCBers are expressing that frustration. Someone above said that we know Jim and Lou aren’t going to “wait the storm out”, they are go-getters, and we will have a refueling, new supplies, and some badass new weapons in here before too long. That, or Lou is gonna break some stuff.

Okay, time for LOST.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 29, 2009 7:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what they can do or get

in terms of players, but I’ll be the first to admit that I haven’t looked to see who is potentially available. That being said, due to injuries and slumps, it’s hard to say the offense truly isn’t working, it hasn’t been in one piece long enough to know.
Pitching has been inconsistent at best, though, and that will be an issue if not straightened out. Personally, while a loss is a loss, I’d rather lose due to the other team hitting us than walks being issues that are turned into runs. Meaning, if they don’t have the control to nibble the edges, or can’t tell what strike zone the ump is going to give, challenge the hitter, let the defense help you.

And one thing I’m wondering, extremely small sample size, if Dome continues his strong start, will he be allowed to face lefties? No real answer, but I like having his defense out there, and hopefully his plate patience would make it worth trying.

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 29, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dome hit WAY better against LHP than RHP last year:

RHP
BA: .251
BAbip: .292

LHP
BA: .276
BAbip: .337

So yes, I think he will be facing lefties. He hits them much better.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 29, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised

I thought he was still largely being “protected” against LHP. Did I just misunderstand that, or is it a case of Reed typically just doing a better job?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 29, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reed's stats from 2008:

RHP
BA: .280
BAbip: .329

LHP
BA: .333
BAbip: .398

Reed hits LHP much, much better than he does RHP, and much better than Dome, too. That BAbip is pretty damn high, but he does do a better job with the southpaws than Dome.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 29, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reed's stats from 2008:

RHP
BA: .280
BAbip: .329

LHP
BA: .333
BAbip: .398

Reed hits LHP much, much better than he does RHP, and much better than Dome, too. That BAbip is pretty damn high, but he does do a better job with the southpaws than Dome.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 29, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

those stats are weird

Just from memory I remember Fukudome just looking horrible and lost against left handed pitching last year.

I think all of his homers came against rightys. Reed is the better career hitter against lefties. I think the platoon is ok for now. I’m sure Bradley will be out enough to where Fuku will have to play against lefties here and there.

by jeff_pico on Apr 29, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, a .276 average isn't very good.

At least not good for a $48 million dollar player. A BAbip of .337 is a tad high, suggesting that Dome was either lucky in his success against LHP, simply hits them better, or had a year that is irregular. Hard to tell without more data.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 29, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What was his % of Line drives on the split?

That would let us determine how out of ordinary the BABIP is…

(I guess I could look this up myself, huh…) :)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 30, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, on Gregg's walks

And Kevin Gregg wasn’t hurt and also issued three walks — that was ten altogether for the staff today.

I was listening to the radio in the car at that point, and I heard Gregg got ejected for jawing with the ump. I was glad to hear at least ONE Cub get some fire in his belly. Were the pitches badly thrown or badly called by the ump?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 29, 2009 8:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Both, I think.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 29, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the start badly called

but after being jobbed on two straight pitches he completely lost the zone.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gregg

Pat Hughes said Gregg got up with Marmol, but then sat down for a while. Later, Hughes said Gregg was up again, and apparently he pitched later in the game.

So what happened with Gregg’s knee? I though Lou said he wouldn’t get him up and then sit him down again.

by dr stabbingworth on Apr 30, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

that was mostly a cold weather precaution. It was apparently warm in Arizona and the roof was open so maybe they thought they could get a away with it.

From the perspective of watching the game on Gameday, Gregg came out very sharp (struck out the first 2) but then had the third man he faced under his toe, got jobbed on a couple of calls and then walked him and nearly everyone else he faced.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 30, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

20 games in

Slowly the small sample size argument is going away. This team is very frustrating because they can be as good as last night, but also pull the crap from today.

That Dempster contract isn’t going to look so hot as the season goes on. No longer does he like to throw strikes until after he has allowed runs. That needs to be fixed ASAP.

The bullpen is the other problem. Marmol needs to be put on the DL. I don’t care what he says, just give him two weeks off to rest his arm.

The offense will show up once Aramis is back and the Marlins are gone. I sure hope a weekend home is just what we need, and everything goes well.

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by nji232 on Apr 29, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dempster's contract

Like Abreu’s contract — people tend to forget that the market collapsed midway through the off-season. A lot of people thought Dempster could have gotten a lot more had he tested the waters. Abreu would not have signed for what he did in November.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Apr 29, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who was it that once said...

give me 9 starters in their ccontract years and I’ll give you a winner…

(Dempster had his contract year last year)…

I’ll bet it was Sparky Anderson or Whitey Herzog

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Apr 29, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sparky

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Apr 30, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marmol had a problem with his knee

not his arm. He hasnt thrown much, no need to rest it. I think Marmol has two problems

1. Arizona
2. too much rest

by bheidge on Apr 29, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A stinker/laugher depending on your view.

Still, the Cubs have had a lot of struggles and are .500. Hopefully guys get healthy and over time we’ll get more production. The bullpen could be an issue all season and the bench needs to be improved. I expect the Cubs will address the latter from outside, but the former may be in-house. It’s a long season and I’ll be more surpised/shocked if this team doesn’t get it together and compete. Given their health issues and the bullpen I think .500 is good.

by DudeVf11 on Apr 29, 2009 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Um my root canal WAS more fun than the game

Both still hurt.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 29, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is shaping up as very expensive mediocre ballclub

This is a 85 to 88 win ballclub here ladies and gentlemen. The holes and question marks are there aplenty.

- Ryan Dempster converts a career year into a $54 million contract, then proceeds to revert back into the middling pitcher he is.
- We actually miss Jason Marquis and his reliability. Quibble all you want but Marquis is better option in the rotation than is Sean Marshall.
- Al Yellon was right — Kevin Gregg really does suck.
- Carlos Marmol isn’t the same pitcher he was last year. For whatever reasons.
- The bullpen in general is a clusterfuck. And can we finally yell out “uncle” when it comes to everybody’s latest teddy bear David Patton, he of the 9 plus ERA.
- Geovany Soto is struggling to such a degree that I am having nightmare of Rick Wilkins and actually wishing Jason Kendall were still a Cub. Don’t tell me I’m the only one who thinks this either.
- Mike Fontenot is a nice little ballplayer who is being manifestly overexposed playing everyday.
- We traded the excellent Mark DeRosa and his $5.5 million due for the privilege of acquiring Aaron Miles and his lead glove for $5 million.
- Derrek Lee has transformed into a 40 year old ballplayer and hereby gets my vote for 6th most desirious 1st baseman in the NL Central.
- Lou Piniella? I love the man and have defended the man to the max, but his expressions say it all…he wishes he were not in Chicago and instead taking the Steinbrenner’s money serving as special advisor to the Yankees.
- Minor league system? A colossal joke as always.
- St. Louis? Good ballclub. Maybe a real, real good ballclub.

The window for winning a World Series may have waned.

by BLou on Apr 29, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

BLou

I think this is as good of time as any to change allegiences. Why not follow the great St. Louis Cardinals?

by jeff_pico on Apr 29, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's an excellent idea, I think

Or is singing the praises of Brian Barden every night not nearly as enticing as bitching about David Patton?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 30, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ack

Let me try this again.
I don’t know about Lou wishing he was a Yankee, if you hadn’t noticed, they’re in exactly the same situation we are in terms of record. But I think there is an apt comparision, we have a lot of big contract, aging/injury prone guys, who are currently not living up to what we had hoped. We threw a lot of money around, and the results are not currently there. We’ll see what happens.

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 29, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we

Wait until Dempster has a few more starts till we are talking about his contract being a bad idea.

Wait for Marshall to have a few more starts before we wish he was Jason Marquis

Give Gregg a few outing to really find himself (I believe woody blew a few saves at the beginning of last year, and today was just a bad day for everyone).

Give Carlos a bit of time to ensure he is actually healthy. (he left with an injury not long ago and this was his first day back).

Aknowledge that the bullpen may need some work, but is not the collasal failure that you are implying. Gregg, Marmol and Heilman have been pretty good this year with few exceptions. Guzman and Patton have also performed admirably at times but are still figuring out the big time.

Give Soto a few more weeks before we write him off as a bust. Also a few days off with Hill in the lineup

Drop the talk about Mike Fontenot being “over exposed” when he is one of the few cubs actually showing any power lately.

Cut DLee some slack, he made good contact the other day and then got bit by the injury bug, leave him alone for a while.

Not fault Lou for having future employment lined up for when he leaves. I haven’t watched much, but from what I have heard Lou seems to be in this to win, I dont think he is looking forward beyond the Marlins tomorrow.

Actually look at Josh’s minor league reports before we dismiss the farm system. There are several guys in AAA, AA and A who look like they could be prospects or at least trade bait.

Forget that there are other teams in the division for another week or two at least…Right now the season is about winning every game that you play, when we get to June and July we can then start to worry about the standings a little bit. When the Card’s magic number is 50 we can talk.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 29, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee "made good contact"...ha

close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. I was listening to the game on the radio, and in talking about D Lee, Pat remarked, “this is a player who would fit in well in any era.” I chuckled to myself, as I realized he’d fit extremely well in the dead ball era. No power whatsoever anymore. Here’s predicting 10 HRs all season for Lee.

As far as Soto, does he have options left? If he does, here’s predicting he’s back at Iowa by June. Not saying he’s a bust, but he’s hurting the team, and I wonder if time to regroup at AAA is in his future.

Dempster? Nice clubhouse guy and all that, but average pitcher that we overpaid for. What part of 7 walks in game 1 last year didn’t Hendry understand? That’s always been his problem- walking too many guys. This year, I fear we’re seeing the real Dempster; good stuff, poor control, ERA in low 4’s, .500 pitcher.

what scares me most is this mediocre lineup. Solid throughout, but no one who scares you. Moderate power throughout, but other than Soriano (who can’t hit em with men on base), 20 some homer power, and guys who press with men on base. That don’t produce in the playoffs, folks, and that’s what we’ve seen the last few years come October.

I love the Cubs, but I would have blown this team up after last October. I still stand by that. This team as currently constructed won’t win anything.

by reedjohnson on Apr 30, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Reed

Im confused.

DLee had a great double on Sunday before leaving the game with a neck issue. He was capably replaced by Hoffpauir. Im not sure how a double to the wall in St. Louis is a problem. He will find his power stroke, give him time.

I do not think taht Soto has options left. Also why would you send down the most productive rookie catcher in years when he is slumping. He is in a major league slump and needs to work out of it at the major league level. It will not do him much good to go to Iowa and mash AAA pitching for a while. Even if it was an option why would you teach a guy that the only way to get sorted out is to go back to AAA. He is going to have slumps like this in his career and he needs to learn how to work out of them at this level.

Im ok with fearing the worst with Dempster, but the man is driven, as a good clubhouse guy I do not think that he will let himself struggle forever. He will get the help he needs to get his control. He is a vet, let him work it out.

Im confused, we have at least 3 guys in this lineup that have 30 homer power. Ramirez, Sorianno and either DLee or Soto will all cross 30 again if not this year than next. I also think that if Milton gets hot and stays healthy that he is capable of that kind of production as well.

I’ll admit that at times the lineup doesn’t scare me, but I will say that when hot this lineup will mash with the best in the league.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 30, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"When hot they can mash"

couldn’t agree more- but that’s the problem- “when they’re hot.” I see a feast or famine lineup here, and have seen that for the last few years. Little consistency, and again, you can’t win in the posteason like that.

I know the Lee thing gets beaten to death (see the excellent thread elsehwere on this site), but hasn’t he only hit like 6 home runs since last May? I don’t see the power stroke returning anytime soon.

I hope, however, that you’re right and I’m wrong. We shall see.

by reedjohnson on Apr 30, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the main problem so far

has been that they have all been hot at once or cold at once. Over the course of the season they will spread out the hits a bit more and it wont be so bunched. Think natural curve as a distribution of runs or hits. (I have no idea of that particular model fits, but i bet its close enough for the example to fly)

The post season is like pulling a few data points out of a nice distribution. You can get anything, with a small sample size like that you have no clue if the points you pulled out are outliers or smack in the middle of the distribution.

Lee has hit 8 homers since May of last year, Ill admit that’s a bit disturbing. But in the same time he has hit nearly 30 doubles so maybe the wind was working against him a bit last year. I have few problems with him not hitting many homers if he is still contributing with that many doubles.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 30, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

consistency

is a problem for EVERY team. Everyone goes through slumps. It just so happens that this year, we’re getting slumps out of the way early, and all at the same time.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 30, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that optimism

i hope we are just getting them out early and will tear it up through the summer months.

by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 30, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you want to send last year's NL Rookie of the Year

back to AAA when it’s not a rehab assignment?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 30, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think sending Soto back to AAA is even an option..but..

look at this way -

I want to send a struggling catcher having potentially a hurt shoulder to the DL or to AAA to find back his groove.

It’s just not his hitting, teams are stealing bases at will against him

by cubsnlinux on Apr 30, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The shoulder injury may be a legitimate issue.

If he’s hurt, send him to the DL.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Apr 30, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

but no one can suggest that Soto is a bust.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Apr 30, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time time time time time time time...

Everyone is always saying we just need to give them time. They’ve had enough time. We’re a month into the season, coupled with ST, that’s plenty of damn time. 10-10 through 20 games is unexceptable. They need to turn it around NOW…no more TIME.

by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 30, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um

a lot of teams are extremely grateful if they are 10-10 after the first 20. I grew up watching the orioles, most of these folks here watched some horrendous cubs teams. be grateful they are playing 500 ball this early and have hope of turning it around.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on Apr 30, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irrelevant..

we aren’t Baltimore, we have more talent than Baltimore and we have better ball players than the teams that have an identical record than us, not to mention, we have a hire payroll.

If you’re happy that we’re .500, then fine, but that comes out to be 81-81, and not in playoffs. I know it’s early, but there’s no reason why I would accept a .500 through the first month of season with this ballclub.

April games mean just as much as September games.

by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 30, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs