Did A-Rod Use Steroids As Early As High School?
Topic for discussion on a rainy Thursday morning. This ESPN.com article discusses some things mentioned in Selena Roberts' upcoming book on A-Rod, revealed in the New York Daily News yesterday.
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Love
that its a huge deal that he “only” tipped 15% at hooters… How does that bear mentioning? Who really cares if the guy is a jerk…
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Why does he go to hooters for that matter
When he’s made, or making, half a billion dollars in his professional career….step it up, Arod, find a Buffalo Wild Wings somewhere
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
he and John Daly
like to hang out at Hooters. That sounds entertaining.
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Hooters wings are about 10x better than BW3, IMHO
That said, the Hooters concept is as played out as a Justin Timberlake cameo on Saturday Night Live.
I'd go oppo
Gimme BDubs over Hooters any day a da week. Actually like the set-up of BWW over Hooters as well. Just my humble opinion.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Apr 30, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Any independent restaurant/bar/pizzeria are usually the best I find
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I came here to see if someone posted about this
also said he did it with the Yanks after 03. Suspension if a drug test can be found?
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you know its funny how everyone thought this guy was clean
yet it appears he has been juicing his entire life
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I think we should start a new Hall of Serum
all the suspected or verified juice users
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
It's a shame really
I hope Pujols destroys both Bonds and A-Rod’s records.
by dr stabbingworth on Apr 30, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Some might think he is being suspended right now
Double secret Michael Jordan like suspension.
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I thought there was talk about him coming back as soon as next week.
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
suspension
for a first time steroid offender is 50 games…there was a discussion here previously that this hip injury was a way to suspend A-Rod without the embarrassment of an actual suspension. We would know if he missed exactly 50 games.
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If he comes back game 51
I’ll be jumping on the suspension conspiracy. It will be interesting to watch it play out.
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Game 51 for the Yankees is May 31
Just something to file away in the back of your head.
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Maybe he'll do a reverse Jordan
And flounder in the NBDL in an ill fated attempt to make it to the NBA
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I have heard that...
But if he was suspended, I think Selig would want everyone to know it…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 30, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
At this point...
…I just don’t care anymore.
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It is relevant, though, because of what Chanman25 said above.
He could possibly be suspended if there was a positive test during the time suspensions were the penalty. Suspending a high-profile player like this would be a real big deal.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't like this story at all on ESPN
the headline they used was just so misleading. “Report: A-Rod’s steroid use didn’t end in Texas” gives me the impression that there is concrete evidence that he used it before he said he did and in New York. After reading the article, it just came off so tabloid-ish. Most of the information stated in the article said it was from high school teammates who said they thought he might have used it because of the 25 pounds of muscle he picked up from sophmore to junior year. It’s all speculation, and until someone come out on the record that they saw him using or injecting, then this article has no merit in my opinion. i don’t like A-rod and I don’’t trust him, but this article was very unfair to him.
Mike & Mike were
talking about this issue this morning. No concrete proof has come out and will not at least until the book or excerpts from the book emerges. They were saying that if all the book can offer is speculation then it will be pretty much worthless. It really will not be news unless there is concrete evidence and we won’t know until the book it out.
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Well, the report was from a tabloid, making it "tabloid-ish".
Guess we’ll have to wait till the book comes out, as you said.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I didn't know the New York Daily News was a tabloid...
I’m gonna wait as well, but I just don’t trust the author of the book, Selena Roberts, if I recall correctly, she was one of the “reporters” who pushed for the prosecution of the Duke lacrosse students involved in the rape scandal.
by aznsensation on Apr 30, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
that definitely destroys her credibility
but if she has proof…
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Well, I dunno.
Just because she was wrong about one incident doesn’t mean she’s wrong about this. Yes, it’s a tabloid report, but I am very interested in seeing this book when it comes out.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't really mind that she was wrong...
the problem for me is that she as a reporter is supposed to be objective and get down to the root of the story. She seems like she likes jumping the gun before even gathering any facts. That to me is what I’m unsure of her about. If she has evidence, like actual evidence instead of hearsay from former high school teammates and Canseco, then I’ll start believing it. But till then, bringing up things like how good of a tipper at hooter’s he is sounds trashy and is not helping her cause. I’ve gained 25 pounds before in a year by working out and proper diet, it wasn’t that hard and I’m not even an athlete, at least professional anyway.
by aznsensation on Apr 30, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
We don't know that.
… because all we have seen is that NY Daily News article. Wait till you see the entire book before you draw conclusions about her reporting.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That Duke thing made a lot of people look real stupid
That’s what you get for making assumptions.
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more like jumping to conclusions and a media outlet that is bias
but I won’t go any further…
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pitch tipping
This bothers me almost as much as anything to do with PEDS. The idea that he’d tip pitches to ‘friendly’ opponents when the game was out of reach in return for the same favor in order to pad his statistics bothers me a lot. Has anyone else ever heard of players doing this?
further...
…if I was a pitcher and A-Roid was tipping my pitches behind my back I’d go after him. There’s no way teammates could be ok with this is there?
I just don't really see how that's possible
He’d have to read the signals from the catcher at 3rd base and at a further distance from the pitchers mound. And he’d also have to work out a system with the others team’s hitters to relay what pitch is coming. It just seems farfetched that he would actually go through all of that. But if their are players who come out on record of saying he helped them by tipping pitches and the video evidence shows it, then i’ll believe it.
by aznsensation on Apr 30, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Giving
away the pitch to the batter is as easy as putting 1,2,3 or 4 fingers down in a conspicuous place. pretty standard 1 is fastball, two would be a breaking pitch, three would be a breaking pitch and four is the change. It could even be as simple as telling them that a fastball was coming.
I would be disappointed if this was reality, but again we don’t have the book or the proof, just some information from a tabloid about what the book says.
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Agree
It seems like it would be difficult to pull it off. Although the article alleges that happened with the Rangers and I think he was still a SS then.
Yes, he was
He didn’t become a 3rd basemen until he was traded to the Yankees.
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The funny thing is...
The PEDs vs. pitch tipping question is now the poll question on the front page of espn.com.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Apr 30, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The pitch-tipping bothers me too
But then I think about this line:
Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.and it brings a smile to my face.
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25% of the people on my HS football team were juicing...
Not sure why any news like this is shocking. It sells a book, other than that it’s not that interesting.
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What percentage of you HS football team
are now making $200 million and probably going to break the HR record?
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See... baseball is so damned sentimental...
As if these “records” mean a hill of beans anymore. It’s impossible to put the whole league on trial, so we do the next best thing, which is to single out a superstar.
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I think the records do still mean something
So far, the only record that has been broken during the steroid era has been the HR record. And it seem as though nobody really acknowledges Bonds as HR king, but rather they still view Aaron as the leader. Yes, records are important in baseball.
I don’t think A-Rod is being singled out, you also have Clemens and Palmero as examples. These guys are superstars, yes, but the reason they have been thrown under the bus is how they have handled the situation. That’s the same with A-Rod, he called the reporter a stalker and basically said he unknowingly took the drugs during his time with the Rangers, which would seem to be false.
Its not that A-Rod took steroids, its how he and Clemens and Palmero have handled it. Take Pettitt for example, the guy said, “I did it, I’m very sorry,” and the issue was basically dropped. If A-Rod had come clean from the get go, he could have taken the high road and it probably would have been mostly forgiven, but he didn’t and now he is reaping what he sowed.
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The worst part of all of this -
We, as Cub fans, are now forced to put our hopes for baseball’s future into (shudder) Albert Pujols.
We have to hope that he’s actually only 29. We have to hope that he manages to avoid injury and play at a high level for another 10 years or so.
Bill James’ Favorite Toy gives Bert a 20% chance of hitting 700 HR, and a 9.8% chance of making 763. However, if he makes 700, you can almost guarantee that he’ll limp along to 763 – the Favorite Toy doesn’t account for players’ willingness to chase milestones as much as they actually tend to.
The elephant in the room however, is A-Rod…. he has a 58.3% chance of reaching 763, and is projected to finish at 780. If he keeps moving the goalposts downfield, Albert may never reach the record.
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We don't know how A-Rod will recover from the hip surgery, though.
He will be 34 in July. It’s possible this might put him in decline.
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I would absolutely LOVE it if King Albert Pujols broke the record. He’s the new Griffey. There’s nothing to NOT like about him, he’s a good defensive player, he works his ass off, his swing looks magical, and he could win an MVP every year. I simply love the man and the clean image he gives baseball.
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by dtpollitt on Apr 30, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed and rec'd
Albert plays the game the right way and makes sure the St. Louis is in the hunt every year even if they really have no other pieces to put around him. He is a high average, high power, high OBP guy and good grief is his defense good. I admire him as an athlete and love to see him succeed. I hate when he mashes cub’s pitching but at the same time you cannot hate him for providing one of the most exciting tickets in the game today.
Right now there are only a few players who change the game the instant they step into the box. As far as I am concerned right now those players are
Pujols. and a few others come to mind, but the only one I truly fear when he bats is Albert.
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Didn't we say A-Rod played the game the "right away" as well??
yeah, now look where we are…
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I dunno
Ive always admired A-Rod’s ability, but have far less respect for him as a person. he is alwasy caught up in a controversy. Pujols never was one to get caught up in the tabloids (as far as i know).
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yeah, I mean I hope Pujols is clean as well
but everyone is using the same argument..
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I understand
I think it would be an even bigger blow to the game than A-Rod. Lets hope that he is clean and that if he isn’t it never surfaces.
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I really would quit baseball if Albert was lying
He’s the face of StL. He’s as much an inspiration off the field with all his charity work. He has brought his faith up many times (something that means a lot to me) saying that he would never do PEDs because he can’t hide it from his faith.
If he is/was doing, then I guess I’d never believe anything from a player again.
by paposse on Apr 30, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 and rec'd
You have to be a pretty bitter fan to not like Albert Pujols as a baseball player and a human being. Sure I hate when he scores runs on us, but the man can flat out hit, has an absolutely amazing baseball mind, and the man does a ton of charity work
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And it's IMPOSSIBLE to ever know if Albert took steroids or not...
People thought the same thing about the HR record & ARod until he came “clean” and admitted he used them.
You either indict the whole league, or you don’t accuse anyone. There really isn’t any in-between, unfortunately.
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please explain
You either indict the whole league, or you don’t accuse anyone. There really isn’t any in-between, unfortunately.
You don’t see the difference between Pujols and someone who as admitted to using steroids? Its not to say that anyone is above suspicion, but there is a clear difference between Pujols and Arod.
I year ago would you have said that?
When neither was suspected of use I think they were in the same boat.
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yes
They were in the same boat last year, but that was last year. We now have additional information.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again… no player is above suspicion. However there is a distinct difference between suspicion and evidence. Pujols and Arod are different… doesn’t mean that won’t change. I’d never say that Pujols is assuredly clean because I can’t say that about anyone, however he should not be treated as though he were guilty.
Fair enough
I can agree with all of that.
Hey Cubs could you start winning again? That would be real nice.
Albert is great
but as long as he is a Cardinal I can’t really root for him.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 30, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
There is a distinct difference...
… between rooting for him and appreciating what he brings to the game. Obviously we will ALL be cheering for him to have his worst games when playing against us, and obviously its beneficial to our team when he doesn’t play well.
That doesn’t change the fact that we can all recognize his accomplishments both on and off the field.
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by AndrewJStone on Apr 30, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm overjoyed
when we get him out. It means we’re playing REALLY well. That game where he hit into the double play in St. Louis the other day, that was AWESOME.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 30, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agreed
I also do not feel to bad when he creates run because I feel like we got beat by one of the greatest in the game.
The only time i feel a little off about Pujols beating us is in situations like this past series where we walked two guys in front of him and have a kid facing him with the bases loaded. This is a recipe for bad news but at the same time its a learning opportunity for the kid. Dont put yourself in a situation like that, throw strikes to the guys in front so Pujols can’t hurt you badly.
All that to say I love playing the cards because whatever Pujols does you cannot feel too awful about the result.
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Funny thing about all this Pujols talk is that last year we all thought of A-Rod as the great hope
Who knows what will happen over time, a book about Pujols being on roids, being older, whatever could come out. I have no doubt that as a human being Pujols is better than A-Rod, but what says he is clean?
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Rainy morning?
Do you think they’re gonna get the game in Al?
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by Canadian Cubs Fan on Apr 30, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions
the storm looks like it'll be out of chicago in a few hours
Game doesn’t start till 8 I believe, so I see no problem with the game going on as scheduled.
by aznsensation on Apr 30, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Game time is 7 pm.
Weather forecast is pretty bleak. We’ll see.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
my fault...i didn't see the secondary storm coming after the current one
I guess it’s gonna be too tough to call until later.
by aznsensation on Apr 30, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Team could use a day off to get healthy.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 30, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Very true.
FWIW, I think the only scenario in case of a rainout today would be a regular (not split) doubleheader tomorrow.
Reasons:
- They cannot play Friday or Saturday night, per city ordinance.
- They cannot televise a game at 3 pm Saturday (Fox exclusivity), so they wouldn’t be able to televise the 2nd game of a Saturday DH.
- They already have a ceremony scheduled for 12:40 on Sunday and they’re not likely to want to schedule a DH on getaway day for the Marlins.
So — again, IF today’s game is rained out, I’d expect a noon doubleheader tomorrow. I have no inside info, but that’s the only scenario that makes sense.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree
it was for the above reasons that I believe the last true DH at Wrigley was on a Friday (I was lucky enough to have tickets and got a bonus game)
The last true DH at Wrigley was on a Thursday.
August 3, 2006. It was forced by a rainout the previous night vs. the Diamondbacks.
The Cubs lost the first game and won the second game.
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Al
both teams are off the 11th of May and 15th of June. On the 11th The cubs are leaving Milwaukee and the Marlins are heading there from Colorado. Any chance they make it up that day? Cubs will lose their first off day in 20 games, but it would prevent a double header. There are also a couple of common off days in June, July and August.
The only date that really makes sense is May 11th but Im guessing the Cubs dont want to give up the off day.
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In order to play on May 11...
… the MLBPA would have to approve, because that would make the Cubs play more than 20 days in a row. I doubt that would get approval.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I didnt
realize that was a rule. I really was not advocating that but it was the next mutual day off and the only one where both teams are near Chicago.
Thanks for that piece of info, learn something new everyday.
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Interesting note about this weekend's series.
As of the last time i looked (a couple of minutes ago) we have a near perfect normal distribution as to our expectations for this weekend’s series according to the sidebar poll. Wasn’t worth a fanshot so i figured this was a good spot for it…
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I wouldn't be shocked if A-Rod used steroids in High School...
But, at the same time… I wouldn’t make a big stink out of it. For those of us who went to high school in the ‘90s… and probably the ’80s as well, I’m sure you can remember how common steroid use was among the athletes at your school, and even some non-athletes who just wanted to be all big and buff for the ladies.
Does that make usage in schools OK? Hell no. But, in A-Rod’s case, you should put it into perspective of the peer group.
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As my Mom always said,
if everyone else jumps off a bridge, will you jump too?
Bad behavior by one person does not allow someone else to exercise the same bad behavior. AKA, two wrongs don’t make a right.
Just because other people used steroids doesn’t make it any less wrong that A-Rod used steroids, whether he only used them in Texas or if some or all of these new allegations are true.
Cheating is cheating, and no matter what A-Rod has accomplished in his career and what he accomplishes in the future, he will always be a cheater to me.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Apr 30, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not really discussing the cheating factor.
I’m talking about making decisions when you’re a teenager, in highschool, surrounded by peer pressure when it’s probably at it’s greatest in your life.
I made a ton of bad decisions when I was a teenager… does that make me a bad person today?
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Seriously...
Seriously, why is this news? I am so tired of hearing about A-Rod and getting A-ROD updates on Sportscenter showing him in Tampa working out…can it please stop? Worst thing about this is, if this lady wrote a book and it’s big story is that A-Rod “MAY” have taken steroids in high school and he “MAY” have done the same as a yankee…come on…
While ESPN might play it out a bit
I think this story is fascinating. The biggest star in the game caught cheating. Somebody who will most likely break a lot of relevant hitting records and forever leave his mark on the game. There is no bigger name to get caught with steroids playing right now.
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I hate the fact that A-Rod was caught...
…I’m a big Cubs fan but I’m even a bigger baseball fan. I’ve played all my life, and still do. I follow all teams and most players. A-Rod (as well as other big names who have been caught or suspected of taking steroids) have hurt the game big time. Baseball was down for awhile due to the strike in ‘94, then the Sosa/McGwire homerun chase in ’98 brought a lot of fans back, now we have this crap. This is going to drive away fans. Each morning, I go to ESPN.com to look at the previous days scoreboard and stats of the games. On there, you can view the attendance of the games. There’s rarely a sellout anymore, and a lot of games are even under 50% capacity. Fans just don’t show up much anymore. I know part of this may be due to the economy and people not having the financial means to attend a game, but jeez, it’s way low so far this year and all of last year. I haven’t done research, but I’d bet since all this steroid stuff, attendance has been down in baseball.
Being a huge baseball fan, I really think this blows. It’s not funny to me, not fascinating to me, I can’t stand A-Rod anymore and I used to think he was the best player in the league. He’s a damn cheater and liar and I hope he doesn’t come back for 50 games.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 30, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPN
Mike and Mike had Tim Kurtchen on this morning and he was saying that attendance is only down about 4%. I think we can be encouraged by that number in this economy.
Attendance has been at record highs the past few years even with the specter of steroids hanging over the game. I do not think that it drives people away very much at all. In fact the rise in home run numbers will bring people to games, whether the players are clean or not.
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It's important to note that attendance
is the tickets sold, not the number of fans in attendance. Looking at the stands at some games where the weather is bad can be misleading.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Apr 30, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Very true.
Im pretty sure that the 4% is based on paid tickets not attenders. Even so Im not really all that concerned about attendance in baseball and the concerns i do have stem from the economy far more than they do from steroids.
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Point taken
but it’s nuts that some capacities are under 50%. Granted, most are in small market teams stadiums but people in general, from what I’ve noticed and heard on blogs and in life general, is that baseball is full of cheaters and whiners, blah blah blah…I’m just saying that sucks because of the love I have for the game.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 30, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
True
But the average fan is not on a baseball blog, those tend to be people who care much more about the game then a family who goes to a couple of games a year or probably even the average season ticket holder. Just by being on a blog they distinguish themselves as someone who cares more about the game than the average fan.
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That's what you get for watching ESPN
watch MLB Network
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I prefer this book ( excerpt below)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/04/21/roger.clemens.book.excerpt/index.html
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions
When Alex Rodriguez
was in High School, I don’t believe there were any rules in effect about steroids. At least not baseball rules.
Until some sort of evidence is produced, I do not consider any of this to be “news”. It is merely sensationalism.
"I lof to hit de home ron!"
Umm....
Except he was still using illegal drugs. And his high school coach knew it. And he was the best player in the nation. And then he got drafted. And continued to use them.
HOW IS THAT NOT A STORY????
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 30, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
what?
• A-Rod “pitch tipped” when he played for the Rangers by letting opponents at the plate know which pitch was coming in lopsided games. A-Rod expected players he helped would reciprocate when he was having an off night and needed to get his batting average up.
seriously?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
Apparently...
What a slime ball.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 30, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
God, that sucker teed off on that like he knew I was gonna throw a fastball!
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
That sounds
a lot like a single event that was blown into a regular occurance. But we don’t know and won’t until the book comes out.
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Really?
If he was willing to take steroids, why would you put anything else past him?
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 30, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't
But I am saying two things.
1. We do not know what evidence Ms. Roberts has until we read her book.
2. Sometimes a single occurrence can be taken out of context (especially when the book has not been released) to indicate regular behavior. This may not be fair. I am not saying that this occurrence was just that it has the sound of a baseball legend.
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
What we really need is rock solid evidence...
not necessarily things a Sports Illustrated columnist wrote in a book. She’s been wrong before…
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Apr 30, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe there is rock solid evidence in the book.
A lot of people were wrong about the Duke incident.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Right.
The “evidence” is almost certainly first-hand accounts from players that were involved. And she seems to have been right on EVERYTHING she has reported on A-Rod so far…He admitted Steroid use…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 30, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed,
I guess we will find out on Monday. Im almost surprised that SI has not released an excerpt with the book’s release date being this close. amazon link here.
(I in no way endorse this book, link provided for entertainment purposes only)…
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
check that
This link is to the actual book
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
Nothing surprises me anymore regarding A-Fraud
All I know is that these steroid sagas make me REALLY appreciate the performance of clean players in the game like Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey Jr., Frank Thomas, Andre Dawson, etc.
If Bud Selig actually had a nut sack then he might come down hard on A-Fraud. But of course he won’t.
The window for winning a World Series may have waned.
How can he?
No one else from the 2003 positive test was punished so why should A-Rod be? that was an exploratory test and was supposed to remain anonymous. I do not think that A-Rod should be punished.
Am i disappointed in him? Absolutely. Should he be punished 6 years after the fact for a positive test that was supposed to remain anonymous (and actually be destroyed for that matter)? Absolutely not.
Whats past is past, unless Roberts comes out with some clear evidence that he used while he was with the Yankees I will not be upset at the results of this revelation. I hope that the rest of the 2003 test remain sealed and are destroyed promptly.
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
I want somebody to snitch and come out with all 103 names
That’s what I want. That’s what a lot of fans want. If baseball is going to turn a blind eye to the destruction of baseball’s sanctity, then let the court of public opinion paint a scarlett letter on the chests of these 103 douche bags.
We all know some of the names that will be on the list. Sosa, Piazza, Pudge Rodriquez, Palmiero, Bonds, Griffey, Clemens….might as well know ALL the names.
The window for winning a World Series may have waned.
Hang on
Above you said Griffy was clean, now your calling him dirty. Im confused.
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
Also
I can understand that, but why dredge it up. It would be in violation to the agreement at the time the test was taken. I don’t think that violating an agreement like that is healthy for the game. Players then did not have a clear understanding of the consequences. They are clear now, let the tests remain sealed.
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
Umm...
All I know is that these steroid sagas make me REALLY appreciate the performance of clean players in the game like Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey Jr., Frank Thomas, Andre Dawson, etc.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 30, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I really want to see the list
Its not fair to make A-Rod suffer alone.
Hey Cubs could you start winning again? That would be real nice.
I agree with that
but we know he was not alone, we just dont know who else they were. I don’t want to know, I dont think the fans need to know.
The fact of the matter is that the test in 03 was anonymous. It should remain so.
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
The expectation of remaining anonymous was lost when A-Rod's name came out
I think some big names are on that list, and the fans deserve to know.
Hey Cubs could you start winning again? That would be real nice.
It's funny,
but I remember being absolutely 100% convinced that Selig and his assortment of craggle faced cronies had conspired to juice the BASEBALLS during the sudden meteoric rise in dingers that started flying out of ballparks in the mid 90’s. A rise that, not coincidentally, was directly correlated with a steep incline in attendance and fan interest. Wrong again!
"It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game." - Grantland Rice
"Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I'm concerned." - Gene Autry
I remember
That discussion. I dont think many folks realized that the problem was less the baseballs and more the players.
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
Why did ESPN bury the lead?
“Biiiiitch Tiiiiiiits”
Coming soon to a ballpark near you!
I wonder how long it will take
until the “bitch tits” chants start when ARod comes back?
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
100% took steroids in High School
I played baseball in college in the miami area around the time arod was the #1 pick. My teammates grew up with him, played little league with him, played high school ball with him… They claimed back then he did… and I am suprised it took this long to come out
Bla Bla Bla
who cares….his legacy is completely destroyed and he has no shred of credibility anymore, why even pay him any mind?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
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