Mt. Lou is gurgling
And who could blame him?
The meltdown I am witnessing v. Fla. (Thurs.) is inexcusable. I wonder if we might have to bludgeon teams all year 10-4 because our guys lose their nuts and play at 80% speed when the game gets tight? Are they too old?
I remarked to my freinds that I would have dealt some of the vets in the offseason (I won't identify them here b/c I abhor 20/20 doucheba*s). The fact remains that this team is not fundamentaly sound, and it's a shame, b/c I thought they were prepared for a charge towards the World Series.
Lost in the 96 win seasons is Hendry's awful offseason '08 - '09. And I am a Milton Bradley fan, so not bitching about him here. I would have preferred to dangle Derek Lee and for Joey Votto and pitching prospects, or line up FA Mike Jacobs. Lee's a wonderful guy and good glove, but the framework of this team starts and ends with Soriano and Ramirez (position players).
The rotation still has potential, I think they pitch like a bunch of bulls (good).
Thanks for reading.
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Im sure the reds would give up a young, LH, power hitting 1B for a guy on the decline
Come on.
Heilman was just another dynamite signing, Im beginning to think Hendry doesnt watch much of the NL. First Marquis, then Vizcaino and now Heilman.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Apr 30, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
need a cup of coffee?
Marquis was a good signing, he over paid for. This has been discussed at legnth here.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 1, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that he was overpaid makes it a bad signing
Theres no reasonable justification to give a 5th starter 21 M dollars, especially not when you saw his suckitude first hand for years.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 1, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was not Marquis fault
but your initial comment seems to be more about talent than $$$$$ which is why I replied to is. If you are talking about the signing itself being bad due to finances, you should state that. I would never believe you menat anything but on field talent with this
Heilman was just another dynamite signing, Im beginning to think Hendry doesnt watch much of the NL. First Marquis, then Vizcaino and now Heilman.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 1, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I dont have the time to do a comparison of 5th starters the past two season, but he had ERAs over 4.5 and Whips approaching or exceeding 1.4
I will say it worked out better than my initial dread had suspected when he was signed, but I think it was a risky move to hope that Heilman can somehow resurrect himself after last year
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 1, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was a good
#5.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heilman
is doing fine. He ended up warming up too much in the pen last night because Lou used Marmol instead.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're totally right
on Votto. I’m just pissed.
"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"
by scottsdalecubs on Apr 30, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IT'S HARD TO WATCH
THe mistakes the team is making day after day …..I can only think that with the talent they have things can be turned around …..It is hard to accept because sports writers all thought the Cubs were the team to beat…..They still could be but changes will have to be made …..
by cubs north on Apr 30, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
This is the thing this team has talent. The problem is that most of it is underperforming or injured and to top that off they are flat as a pancake. I also hope they can turn it around and soon.
by jeff_pico on Apr 30, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no intensity
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
by Clutche on May 1, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isnt that what Bradley was brought in for?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 1, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Apr 30, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't Call This Ledge Jumping
I know how many of us are tired of throwing up in our mouths listening to the most frustrating start to any season in my life. The reason why this team will not make the playoffs this year (crucify me if you want, but I was dead on about the rapid decline last year, and the problems are still here) is because there are simply too many people to point the finger at, and too small of a time frame to take care of all the issues.
Jim Hendry: What the hell did you do? You took the best Cubs team, most of us have ever seen and turned it upside down. You shipped off Jason Marquis to save money, and yet, you burn a couple million getting rid of the guy you traded him for. You got rid of Kerry Wood for a a guy who has a bad pin, can only get up once in the bullpen, and on the rarest of occasions, is actually good. Say this next part out loud: you gave up a good big league hitter, who can play all over the field and has the personality you want on a team for a a guy who has significant personality problems and even more significant health concerns. You went and signed that player, largely off his production last year as a DH. Sounds pretty slick to me. Its hard to fathom that Hendry makes better business moves on a hospital gurney than he does from his office chair.
Lou Piniella: My keyboard’s batteries may run out before I’m done with Sweet Lou. I’ve said it time and time again. Lou Piniella is a terrible fit for this team. I know the popular reaction will be that he led this team to two consecutive division titles. Well, I firmly believe that if you have good talent like he has had, a manager’s job is completely overrated. Example: Joe Torre. However, you can ruin that talent by making terrible decisions and having the wrong personality for the team. When a team buckles like the Cubs did the last two postseasons there is no doubt that the problem is the mental preparation of the team. It is my belief that the main focus of a manager should be to get his team mentally prepared to win the must win games. Again, the popular response to that will be that they won 97 games last year. They must have been mentally prepared. To that I ask, how many of those games were must win games? You can’t tell a lick about a teams character when you’re not playing must win games. The only times they did last year, they went down 1-2-3 without a fight.
More on Lou: Derrek Lee. Anyone who thinks Derrek Lee is not in a decline does not have a clue what they are talking about. And what does Lou do? He puts him in the premier production spots. What the hell has to happen before Lou realizes that Lee is 6’ 5" of complete softness. Lee hits with about zero authority anymore. Its clear. His offensive approach is disgusting. He’s a 3 hitter that looks like a pitcher trying to draw a walk. There is no denying that he is completely punchless. Go ahead, say its “still early”, you don’t look that feeble, then just wake up and find it because the calendar turns over a month. But hey, Derrek had a monster year 4 years ago, he’s due to break out again….
Leadership: Again, as shown the last two postseasons this team has had zero leadership. Not a lick. Who would have thought that Soriano would be the one calling guys out? But wait, the big bad Derrek Lee thinks he shouldn’t be questioning effort. Really? You have a guy like Soto taking protective swings in a 3-1 count. You have Ryan Theriot dropping balls thrown to him because he’s got the carriage in front of the horse trying to turn an impossible double play. You have Mike Fontenot getting thrown out at 3rd in a tremendous rally that looked nothing but promising. Sorry Derrek, being unprepared mentally is a lack of effort.
This team is not a smart team. There is no way around that. That is why, in my opinion this team will fail to make the playoffs. When you’re in your mid 20’s and 30’s you don’t just wake up one day and start understanding the game. You don’t just start to get smart overnight. These are mentality issues that have nothing to do with slumps or bumps in the road. Its character. Who is ultimately the one in charge of changing the character of a team? The manager, and this manager has shown when push comes to shove, when its must win, his team’s character is tremendously shallow.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Apr 30, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
The TCobb1911 Manifesto?
"I'll tell you what's helped me my entire life. I look at baseball as a game. It's something where people can go out, enjoy and have fun. Nothing more." - Harry Caray
by goodstuff96 on Apr 30, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000000000000000000000000000000000
Thanks for saying what I think a lot of us are starting to think.
And I wasn’t bothered by the length at all-being an english lit. teacher I still have an old fashioned weakness for the written word.
by bluekoolaide on May 1, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, a lot of words that say not much
You might look very foolish in a couple of months. At least I’m qualifying that with “might.”
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 1, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is
plenty said there. I’m fine looking foolish. But the reason I state it, is because I believe thats what’s going on. If I’m wrong, I’ll jump for joy. I have no problem going out on a limb, but the things being shown now, don’t just start to get better.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on May 1, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst case scenarios are proving true thus far...
Namely Soto’s sophmore slump and Fontenot being exposed as a full timer…granted its only May 1st, but Pujols and Co. are playing out of there minds, so we can only say “oh its still early” for so long.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 1, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean the same Fontenot
who has homered in three of his last four games?
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 1, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the very same
the one batting .232 with an OBP below 340
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 1, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, those stats are enough
to anoint DeRosa as the Cubs’ savior.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 1, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I guess Second base has been a bit of a revolving door since Ryno left too: Morandini, Macias, Perez, Walker, Grudzielanek, Hill, DeRosa, Theriot, Fontenot
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 1, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Several of those 2B did good jobs when they were here, at least for a while.
Morandini, Grudzielanek and DeRosa all were key contributors to playoff teams.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 1, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah Mark G got a raw deal
losing out to Walker
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 1, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU DID NOT
Look foolish at all…..You made some very good points…I read every single word…..
by cubs north on May 1, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the most frustrating start to any season in your life?
Well, you must be 11 years old, because I think going 0-14 to start 1997 was pretty damn frustrating myself.
Frankly, the start of the 2007 season was a lot more frustrating than this one.
Christ on a bike.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 1, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason why this team will not make the playoffs this year
see you in October – and if you’re right the you win the ‘first to figure out that only four of the sixteen NL teams make the playoffs’
by doofus cubs guy on May 1, 2009 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you call yourself "doofus"
and your post certainly backs that up.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 1, 2009 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not the point.
I’m trying to show that no matter what time of year it is, the problems the Cubs have do not just go away. I know how many teams make the playoffs genius. Its not about trying to pick winners. It is me, stating what I see happening. But I guess you’ve never done that.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on May 1, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me that 1997 or 2007
had the same expectations.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on May 1, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
0-14 became funny after a while
Didnt it? I thought so, I mean what else could you do at that point but laugh
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 1, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
I think the team’s 1997 start might have been a bit worse.
The 1997 Cubs lost their first 14 games to start the season.
By April 25th, 19 games into the season, the Cubs were 2-17, and 10 and a half games out of first.
Perhaps a little perspective is in order…or, maybe you are very, very young.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 1, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops...
sorry, Not B. I didn’t read down further, but 1997 immediately came to mind when the words ‘worst start’ were spewed.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 1, 2009 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
First thing I thought of.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 1, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again,
tell me you had the same expectations for the 1997 team as you did this team. I was young at that point, and I didn’t even have expectations for them.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on May 1, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree on Torre
His dodgers had less talent than Lou’s cubs last year, and…well…we saw the outcome. Not saying it’s all on Lou, because we are in need of a player or two that bring some professional swagger to the team. But managers play a significant role in whether their talent shows up.
A manager may not control how much talent his team has, but he definitely has a role in dictating the attitude of the team. Torre’s teams have consistently been ballers and he deserves much of the credit for that.
I’m not trying to bash Lou; I think he’s a better than average manager. I’m just saying Torre deserves the credit he gets. He’s one of the best, IMO.
by Cubinator on May 1, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was sub .500
with the Cards. He gets all the talent in the world in NY and he’s the greatest manager ever.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on May 1, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
the Dodgers played in poor division, and then faced a feeble, mentally weak team in the Cubs the first round. The Peoria Chiefs would have beat the Cubs in that series.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on May 1, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its ok...
TCobb1911-buddy, just let it out…you’ll be alright. Alternatively, there are other ways to find people to vent these kind of early season worries. You could get a girlfriend (or a wife), have some kids, get a dog (a better choice), go to a bar (the best choice). That way you don’t pour your heart out in text – heck in person people could see tears well up…thats waaaayyy better drama.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
by StevenABQ on May 1, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all...
I have a wife. I have a kid. I have a pet. I don’t waste money on bars. I have better things to do than sit around college nerds in pink shirts. That’s not pouring my heart out. Thats a legit, thoughtful explanation and descirption of the problems I see. Just because I don’t say exactly what you want me too, and its not all sunshine doesn’t give you the right to be a clown. If you don’t want to read something, especially when it pertains to whats going on, and isn’t vulgar and pure insanity than just move on by.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on May 1, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa buddy
Is it just me or did you write the disclaimer in your comment:
“crucify me if you want”
I took your invitation and decided to make jest, thats my right. Just as you can come on here and give a “legit and thoughtful explanation” (sounds like pouring your heart out — as it is your opinion), I also can “clown” on you for your comments.
On to more important things, sounds like you have it all, I would think you would be a far more optimistic person — not prone to making long posts about a MLB team facing problems in the first month of the season. But then again, it could be because of the lack of going to a real bar — because I am not familiar with the ones with “college nerds in pink shirts”. And I would also you suggest you follow your own rule with regards my comments, if you don’t like it you are welcome to just “move on by”
But seriously, I’m teasing you no hurt, no foul.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
by StevenABQ on May 1, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with everything you're saying
but this does not compute:
That is why, in my opinion this team will fail to make the playoffs. When you’re in your mid 20’s and 30’s you don’t just wake up one day and start understanding the game.
So, then, how did they make the playoffs last year and the year before? Is the loss of DeRo and Woody THAT great?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The loss
of those two does hurt talent wise. The more talent you have, the easier it is to get by. The increased play by Fontenot and Hoffpauir right now hurts in total experience. They’re in a stretch right now where guys can’t afford to have a bad week or two like they could last year. Take Lee for instance, he takes a terrible approach for a 3 hitter at the plate. With Ramirez and Bradley out, and Soto struggling he’s needed to step up. That could be the case down the road if Bradley keeps missing a lot of time.
You’re question makes sense, and its a good one. I just feel they lost talent, guys are getting hurt more often so the same ugly mistakes they made last year will be magnified.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on May 1, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The loss of two guys isn't the problem
Players not performing to their expected potential — that’s the problem, along with injuries.
And, unfortunately that happens. This is the type of problem that can undo a good team.
Ironically, the one player nobody was counting on (Fukudome) is now one of the most consistent performers.
However, this situation with “1-inning Gregg” (Does he know Judd Sirott??) is a bit irritating, if this so-called injury was unknown, or not disclosed.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 1, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if the team was in rapid decline at the end of last year
Doesn’t that dictate that something be done? Sure, we can look at the moves and say that they are not currently paying dividends, but if your argument was that Wood and DeRo (who are not having stellar seasons so far either) need to be here, and that DLee (who is not going anywhere) needed to be moved, then you’re simply setting yourself up for disappointment.
by chitownhawkeye on May 1, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Piniella is not the sole problem
But we need to finish games defensively.
"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"
by scottsdalecubs on Apr 30, 2009 11:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we need to begin the game offensively
and I’m guessing that may happen sometime in the next few months
by doofus cubs guy on May 1, 2009 2:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think that Hendry could have gotten Votto for Lee?
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 1, 2009 6:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 1, 2009 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not unless he bought the Reds during the offseason.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on May 1, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or somehow Dave Littlefield becomes Reds GM
by cubsnlinux on May 1, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Lee waived his NTC
its a moot point
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 1, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
What makes you think DLee would have any interest in Cincinnati? He’s got kids here, a foundation…
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by AndrewJStone on May 1, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee would waive in a heartbeat to play for Dusty--that's what Dusty does--he's a talent magnet.
by DudeVf11 on May 1, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find that
hard to believe. As a player who survived 2006, I don’t see why Lee would want to go play for Dusty at all.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
There’s no way D-Lee waives the NTC to go to Cincinnati.
The ONLY place I can see him doing that for, IF he ever were asked to waive it, would be San Francisco, which is close to his home in Sacramento.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 1, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't look
all that good in green. :P
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not easy being green
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 1, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, my comment was intended to crack on Dusty, since he was always claiming that he could woo talent to the team
Maybe we should offer Gaithright to Cincy, he’s the kind of player that Dusty would overpay to acquire.
by DudeVf11 on May 1, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that's not a bad idea.
He pulled a Cedeno today — overslid the bag at second. I can’t imagine he’s here for very much longer.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 2, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Lou might sit up and take notice.
Gathright, up to now, appears to be a Howry-type Lou “pet”. (He played for Lou in Tampa.) But how long does this team have the luxury of a roster spot being taken up by a pinch-runner who plays two innings of defense per week?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 3, 2009 4:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I put a lot of the blame on Pinella not necessarily on Hendry.
Piniella calls a lot of the shots such as having lefties in line-up no matter how little they produce. Piniella didn’t like Marquis so he is gone, He didn’t like Erye so he went Bye ,bye last year instead they kept Cott’s. They released Visciano with 0.00 era but keep Cotts on the roster because Piniella didn’t like him as well. Piniella is calling the shots not Hendry.
by cubdreamer on May 1, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And you know this how?
Piniella certainly has input, but to infer he’s the sole decision maker is just plain wrong.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on May 1, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the approach is more on Hendry.
Hendry gives the Managers a ton of latitude and maybe he has to when he’s paying that kind of grrr for them to manage. I can understand having to give latitude to the manager but I don’t think Hendry has a philosophy or program that he wants implemented. I think it’s more of a traditional approach by a baseball guy to let another baseball guy call those shots.
by DudeVf11 on May 1, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong but...
D-Lee has a no trade clause. So how would you dangle him?
by __Sean__ on May 1, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You basically can't.
I believe he has stated in the past he would enjoy being closer to home (Sacramento, maybe?) so MAYBE he’d waive it in the offseason if we found him a comfortable situation. But where would it be? Would he really want to play for San Diego? Would Anaheim go near him if we took on some of his salary? Possibilities, but I believe that would only happen in the offseason.
Derrek Lee is on this team. I expect him to improve, but I have no problems moving him down in the order or giving Hoffpauir a couple starts a week until he is either exposed or proves he can consistently hit. Hoff has good stats thus far, but he’ll have to keep improving on a slow basis to take more time away from Lee.
That’s the problem with this whole debate. I’m on the Lee side, but it seems all of US acknowledge that he might be suited for a different batting slot and that it might be beneficial to give Micah a run at 1B here and there. I don’t mean to speak for everyone supporting Lee, but we believe he will eventually be more productive then he has shown this year; essentially, he’s NOT washed up.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on May 1, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'd say you got the crux of it there.
Nicely said.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on May 1, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? D-Lee to SD?
They have a budding star, Adrian Gonzalez at 1B. If that stupid team doesn’t lock him up to a long-term contract, they deserve to lose him….he is their ONLY legit bat.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 1, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's been mentioned before...
but how bout San Fran? They could use him. Lord knows they love “experienced” players, and they don’t have a real 1st baseman. Remember last year when Bochy walked Lee to get to Rami and then Aramis promptly parked one on to Waveland? Seems like Bochy is a Derrek fan. If we could find a way to pry Sandoval from their grasp that would certainly provide some versatility and young talent, but I doubt they’d let him leave.
San Fran would be the logical destination though.
And on the sixth day, God created Joakim Noah...
by TheTruth11 on May 1, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
very much this. Recd.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree Kansas
especially with the down in the order and time off thing for dlee
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 1, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sac has a AAA team
any way to ship him there?
SARCASM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 2, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to let Lou boil a little
and try some things. Let’s see how this balances out. Right now they’re 10-11.
There’s some injury issue there with Rami; that’s big, worth a win or 2. For argument, call it one less loss.
Soto started slow and so has D-Lee. Lee may be a bit worn out but the combo of those guys not doing that well has to count for 2 lost opportunities for wins. That’s 2 more wins, plus the one for Rami, that makes 3 now.
The ‘pen has probably counted for a couple losses. For argument, call it 1, that’s 4 add’l wins now.
Fonzie has been hot so we can’t assume he’ll produce at that clip all season. Now this will be a -1, so it’s back to 3 add’l wins.
So add 3 to the “W” column, take 3 from the “L” column and the Cubs are 13-8 instead of 10-11.
If Lou (with a little help from Hendry) get some of the ‘pen straightened out, Lee, Rami & Soto come back a bit, there’s no reason to believe that by mid-June they’re not 7-10 games above .500.
I still think 21 games in is too early to consider drastic changes.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on May 1, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think 21 games in is too early to consider drastic changes.
yes and no, depends on what the change is and why. I will use the Hawks bringing in Coach Q as a perfect example of a big move early. Sure it was not on ice talent that was changed, but the lines, and the mentality did.
I am not saying move Lou out, it is just an example of an early move that paid off big time
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 2, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lou
sorry but the best move the cubs made was getting lou. these players need to be accountable.lou gets that from them unlike dusty.produce or you dont play. true regulars will sometimes get a pass but you have to stick with your main guys.sorry but i think lou is doing a fine job.
by NOMAR on May 2, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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