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Get to know: The Peoria Chiefs

Who are they? The Chiefs are the Cubs Low-A minor league team in the Midwest League.  They are the lowest minor league team that plays a full season; that is, their season starts now instead of June.  They play in Peoria, Illinois, so those of you who show up in Peoria, Arizona are going to be warm but disappointed.

Who is in charge? After two seasons of having a hall of famer and Cub legend running the Chiefs, the fans in Peoria are going to have to settle for Marty Pevey as their manager this season, who comes to the Cubs after 13 years in the Blue Jay system.  Pevey was the third base coach for the Toronto Blue Jays last season, so he has major league coaching experience.  He was let go from Toronto after the shakeup there last June.

The hitting coach is former Tiger Barbaro Garbey, who was the hitting coach for Tennessee last season and famously left Cuba in the Mariel Boat lift in 1980.  Some lesser known trivia:  His sister finished 4th in the long jump at the1972 Munich Olympics.  Rich Bombard returns to Peoria as the pitching coach.

How did they do last season? The Chiefs had a few moments last season, but 2008 was a disappointing season all around, finishing 60-78 overall.  That was the third worst overall record in the Midwest League.  They were very consistent, finishing 30-38 in the first half and 30-40 in the second.  Their poor performance means that a lot of players are repeating Peoria this year.

Of course, the Chiefs had an eventful season last year too with staging a pretty successful game at Wrigley Field and having a terrible brawl with the Dayton Dragons that made every newscast in the country.  I'm sure you remember both of them.

 

Star-divide

Who should we be watching, Josh? In this case, I really don't need to tell you this.  The guy to watch is Josh Vitters, the Cubs' #1 prospect who will start the season as the third baseman for Peoria.  I'm a little disappointed that Vitters isn't starting the season in Daytona, but I see reasons to start him in Peoria.  Some are developmental, in that there is no real need to rush him and you can always promote him later, and some are political, in that Peoria has been a loyal minor league affiliate and letting Vitters start the season there makes them happy.  (The Peoria Journal-Star sportswriters were grumbling during the off-season that Vitters might never play in Peoria.)

Josh Vitters is a prospect with a tremendous eye and tremendous bat speed and a stroke, if he were left-handed, would be described as "sweet."  He's also a line drive machine who can hit the ball hard to all fields.  Some have criticized him for not drawing more walks, but Vitters is not a free-swinger.  He doesn't draw a lot of walks because his bat skills are so good that he doesn't often see a pitch in an at bat that he can't hit hard.  He may have to change his approach as he moves up the minors.  That's something to watch for this season.

Joining Vitters in the infield is his Boise teammate Ryan Flaherty, who will be the shortstop for the Chiefs.  Flaherty had a tremendous first season with the bat for Boise last year after being a supplemental first round pick of the Cubs last June.  Flaherty is a big guy who projects to have good power for an infielder.  No one seems to believe he can stay at shortstop, but the Cubs are willing to let him have at least one more season at short before moving him to second, third or the outfield.

Rebel Ridling will be at first again for the Chiefs and will no doubt be a Peoria and Minor League Wrap favorite again.  Ridling has good power and he hit 14 HRs in 260 ABs last season, including one at the "Road to Wrigley" game last year.  Making contact often enough will be Ridling's challenge.  Josh Harrison will be the second baseman, and he's an intriguing prospect with good speed and a good glove.  He hit well in Boise last season, but struggled when promoted to Peoria. Harrison will share time at second with Junior Lake.  He's a quick. 19 year old Dominican infielder who got promoted from Mesa last season. If Lake can make the jump to the Midwest League, he'll become a top prospect.  David Macias, who struggled to hit at Boise last year, closes out the infield.

The catchers for Peoria are Mario Mercedes and Luis Flores.  Both are repeating Peoria and neither one is a significant prospect at the moment.  If I had to choose, I'd take Flores.

The big story in the outfield is Kyler Burke, who is going to start the season in the Midwest League for the third straight season this year.  He's struggled here the previous two seasons and he won't get a fourth chance.  He's a great athlete who has struggled to hit, although both the Padres and the Cubs had been screwing around with his stance.  The Cubs are just going to let him do his own thing this year and sink or swim.

Cliff Andersen is repeating Peoria after a miserable season with the bat last year, although defensively he's strong. He's another great athlete with upside but hasn't shown any of it at the plate recently.  Tony Campana and Nelson Perez are both up from Mesa last year.  Campana is a little speedster who didn't hit much in Mesa but stole 22 bases in 24 games.  Domincan lefty Perez did hit well at Mesa, although he was a little old for Rookie ball.

The rotation in Peoria will be anchored by a pair of heralded draft choices from last season--Aaron Shafer and Chris Carpenter.  Carpenter was ranked as the Cubs #18 prospect by Baseball America this offseason.  Watch for Carpenter's walk rates because if he can get his walk rate down, he could be something special.  Of course, he's got a name that will be tough for Cub fans to cheer for.  Shafer was the Cubs second round pick out of Witchita State.  He pitched well for the Boise Hawks last season, but the velocity on his fastball has never really returned after an injury in college.  He was considered a top-ten pick in the draft before his arm problems surfaced. The Cubs threw a record bonus at Chris Huseby a few years ago to keep him from going to college, but he's been derailed with injuries and only pitched only 15 innings last season.  If healthy, he's a heck of a prospect, but he had TJ surgery in high school too, so health is going to be an issue with him. 

Chris Archer should be in the rotation for the Chiefs and was the third pitcher acquired in the Mark DeRosa trade.  Archer can wing it in there--he struck out 106 batters in 115 innings in the Sally League last year.  But he also has trouble finding the plate (84 walks), and won't move above low-A until he does.

The rest of the Chiefs pitching staff are going to be fighting for spots in the rotation and in the bullpen.  None of them are great prospects at this point, but you never know.  Alberto Cabrera, Kevin Kreier, Josh Whitlock and Jose Pina return to Peoria from last season's squad.  Mike Perconte pitched for Boise last year and is the son of former Cleveland Indian Jack Perconte and fulfills the Cubs requirement that each minor league team have the son of a major leaguer on it.  Erik Hamren, Marcus Hatley and Jeffrey Beliveau are also up from Boise.  Of those three, Beliveau is the most interesting and could be in the rotation.  He struck out an incredible 51 batters in 34.2 innings in Boise last year.  Unfortunately, he walked 28 batters too.  Ryan Buchter rounds out the pitching staff.  He came over from the Nationals organization in the off -season and I know nothing about him yet.

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Nice write-up

The one thing I would like to add to that is that Nelson Perez has the most raw power of anyone in this system. He’ll be 21 this season, so I don’t think age is much of a problem for him.

If Burke can’t hack it, reportedly the Cubs would try him at pitcher, as he has a pretty good arm.

by Outshined_One on Apr 7, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Burke has to agree to it first

Which is disappointing, as I’d like to move him right away, but ah, what can you do.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, I'd like to have heard

the conversation between Josh and Carney this offseason:

“Dad, I’m going to become a pitcher.”

“NO SON OF MINE IS EVER GOING TO BE A STINKING PITCHER!”

:-)

by Josh Timmers on Apr 7, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

um

Jared Lansford is a pitcher.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

how would i know if you were joking

I don’t know if you follow the A’s organization or not.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, the emoticon

is kind of a hint.

It’s just that Carney was the type of ornery hitter who never seemed to like pitchers much.

by Josh Timmers on Apr 7, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perez isn't old

for the Midwest League, just a little old for Mesa. Skipping Boise catches him up. And yes, he’s got some pop.

Moving Burke to the mound is certainly an option to consider if he fails at the MWL a third time.

by Josh Timmers on Apr 7, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thx again Josh for all this

Your daily updates on minor league games make this site that much better. Appreciate all the effort!

http://irudey.mybrute.com/
Fun little Time waster!

by Rudey on Apr 7, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

See!!

We did get Peavy

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Apr 7, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

damn

i was just about to write that!

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 7, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quick thoughts on Peoria

somewhat more extended from what I posted over at Sickels when Outshined posted the Peoria rosters.

Vitters at Peoria is absolutely the right move, IMO. I wasn’t a huge fan of the Daytona talk. He hasn’t had to work on much with his bat yet because the pitchng wasn’t good enough. I was wary of a jump to Daytona due to the tougher pitching. It’s funny to me, but Fleita talked about Castillo to AAA and Vitters to Daytona this offseason, and neither happened. But Vitters glove was improving at third last year, enough for many to start believing he has a better than even chance of sticking there. I’d caution against expectations being too high for Vitters in the MWL – I hope he gets off to a big start, but it is cold weather and the MWL can be tough. Moustakas struggled for part of the year before taking off. I’ll be most curious about Vitters glove and power – as of now, the latter seems to be projected as above average. He’s got a good enough approach that I’m not too worried about him hitting for contact, as I think that will come.

Don’t be surprised if Lake grabs shortstop time from Flaherty. While neither is really being projected to stick at short, Lake, for the most part, seems to be perceived as the guy with the better chance, as for Flaherty, most assume it’s a question of when, and not if, that he moves. That said, if Starlin Castro has improved as much as the Cubs think, to justify a HUGE jump to Daytona, then it won’t matter. I think Lake ends up at 2nd/3rd sooner than later, and he has some power potential that will be intriguing to follow. Like Vitters, I’m not too worried about Flaherty hitting for average. I will be curious about his power – for the most part, it’s predicted as plus power for the position (MI), and his approach isn’t conducive to that much more power unless they rework the swing.

As Outshined informed me over at Sickels, Brenly is out. I was a tad surprised at the catching tandem, with Carlos Perez getting squeezed aside for Mercedes for now. What I do like, though, is that a strong game caller/defensive catcher like Flores is in place to work with the young arms. I thought there was a shot of seeing him at Daytona. There’s enough in the bat that, if it develops, he could be a guy to watch as a backup backstop in the bigs.

Rebel Ridling got off to a hot start in a small sample in Boise, leading to the bump up. He ran into some struggles at Peoria, but last I recall, there was some bad luck. He has the raw power to watch, which is something lacking in our system. The biggest thing for him will be striking out less. He can’t strike out at his 2008 rate and succeed. With some guys ahead of him, namely Rosa, they’ll probably give Ridling’s power every chance to develop. Josh Harrison is really stuck in a tough position. I hope he gets a shot, but I wonder if he gets enough AB’s with a better prospects there in Lake and Flaherty. Wouldn’t surprise me if Harrison is the utility player there – dabble at short, a little OF, a little 2nd, a little 3rd. Harrison has discipline and some pop, but he’s not a speed guy. Actually, he makes me think of Fontenot a bit, although I think Harrison could adjust to the OF.

Perez has huge power and a huge arm. If he develops, wow. I believe AzPhil had a great comment on him, saying he reminded him a bit of Sammy Sosa (albeit, lefty bat). He’s been on the radar for awhile – again, this is the MWL, so the numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt. Cliff Andersen was an intriguing overslot from, I think, 2005, but he hasn’t put it together. He’s got loads of athleticism, but his bat hasn’t come around, and this might be make or break time. He had a decent start last year, iirc, before slumping badly. Kyler Burke is likely in the same boat. Make or break time for him, particualrly with Nelson in Peoria. Macias may be a utility guy – he dabbled in the IF as well.

I am very, very curious about Tony Campana. Loads of speed and his bat looks decent. He’s a little jumpy though – if he can get back to taking pitches and working the count, coupled with that speed, he has a shot to be a top of the order type bat. Won’t ever get much pop going.

It’s a very exciting team there. I was a bit surprised that Ryan Keedy didn’t make it, but that said, his lack of power is always going to limit Keedy in some people’s eyes (and I dunno if some injury happened that I didn’t follow this spring). There’s a potentially excellent lineup that offers a nice array of options. Defensively, it’s actually a decent group, outside of whoever is manning short.

Pitching – Carpenter is an excellent arm, and if he gets consistency on the change, wathc out, as he could end up as the best arm from that class. That’s his biggest issue right now, but there were some positive reports, IIRC. Shafer … well, here’s hoping his velocity comes back. Reminds me of Bobby Brownlie in some respects (that is, a guy with good “pitchability”, but just not enough “juice”). Archer is a very intriguing arm with an excellent curve. Somewhat reminds me of a young Sean Gallagher – well, he had better stuff and less control than Sean at the same age. He’s easily the most intriguing arm we received in the DeRosa deal, with loads of upside if he develops. Beliveau makes me think Rich Hill 2.0 – complete with some mechanical kinks (different issues than Rich, though) that need to be worked on, but comes with a nasty curve to go with an average fastball and no third pitch … okay that last part is a joke. Outshined indicated that Hatley/HusebyCabrera would share the fifth job. I’d rather see Hatley in the pen – he’s somewhat similar to Maestri in terms of stuff (not consistency). Huseby was another overslot from 2005. He looked very promising 2 years ago before his control just disappeared last year in what, IIRC, was attributed to mental issues/focus (however you want to word it). I don’t know what to think, but I wish the kid the best. Cabrera, IIRC, is an electric young arm with low-mid 90’s velo, a plus slider, and a “developing” change (btw, “developing” is one of those words used to make things sound nice – really, it means the change ain’t good and it needs work).

We got Ryan Buchter for Matt Avery, and considering Avery was limited, nice deal. A lefty, Buchter throws high 80’s, touching low 90’s, with a curve and a change. I’ll be curious on how Kreier’s stuff looks – he had decent production, but the reports on stuff was very fringy (only remember that his fastball hit the high 80’s right now). Let’s see, who else – Erik Hamren was the 36 or 37th round pick from Saddleback last year who was headed to Irvine before the Cubs signed him, IIRC, late. Off the top, don’t remember much on him right now. Josh Whitlock runs it in the low 90’s on the fastball with good movement, but has to get better control. His off-speed stuff is decent, but I can’t recall if it’s a curve or a slider right now, although I think he used to throw both. I remember reading good things about his attitude/character, but I can’t recall where right now. Perconte was a UDFA that signed with us, from um, Murray State? Man … I don’t remember much on him right now. I want to say low 90’s fastball with a decent curveball. He should fill out his frame a bit more. Pina showed improvement last year, particularly with his command, but I think he’s 23 or 24, so I haven’t paid that much attention.

Will be curious where Dan McDaniel is, who I am high on. I haven’t seen the Daytona roster, so that might be where he’s at, unless I missed an injury. Starting the year, this is a very good minor league club. The pitching should be advanced enough to compete. A lot of raw ability that needs work, so it’s good to see Flores there in that respect.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Daytona Roster Out

Link

Pitching-wise, Leverton, McDaniel, and Searle all skip Peoria. Dolis makes a reappearance after getting off to a promising start in Peoria in 2007 before going down to injury (TJS I think?)

Hitting-wise, no surprises since AZ Phil reported on guys like Rundle and Castro starting with Daytona. Colvin should be getting quality time at DH as he rehabs from surgery.

by Outshined_One on Apr 7, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOO!

Alberto Alburquerque is back!

The Cubs do that just to torment me. And the Daytona Cubs too, apparently, since they misspelled his last name too.

by Josh Timmers on Apr 7, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey OO

did Cashner get hurt and I miss it? Otherwise, the only explanation that I can think of is that they want to try this starting experiment and have him down at XST working on the change.

The Searle skip is the one that surprised me the most. McDaniel and Leverton, somewhat, but the former has excellent stuff. Leverton, while not expecting it, I wasn’t floored (such as the Castro bump flooring me since I wasn’t following). He does have a nice arsneal and some developmental room, for lack of a better term right now. Searle surprised me due to either BA or Bp’s poor reports. Dolis probably has the stuff to make the jump.

Anyhow, a lot of shuffling will occur.

I imagine AzPhil is right and that Canzler will get quite a bit of time in the OF, as Rosa is likely to get a lot of time at first.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cashner

Sounds like he’s still rehabbing and playing catch-up in Mesa after hurting his oblique.

by Outshined_One on Apr 7, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah thanks

forgot about the oblique. Well, if they want to take the time to work on his change there, awesome.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey OO, if you are still around

do you know where Luis Bautista is? I was always curious how his bat would play, but he is in a tough spot in our system due to him being a 1st/DH guy.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bautista

I know they were working him at catcher, so maybe he’s back in EXST getting used to it?

by Outshined_One on Apr 7, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would he need to get used to it?

Sort of just asking it out loud – I haven’t followed. He was a catcher – we moved him off of it because he wasn’t a great receiver. Add in that, the system has some decent depth in Catching talent (off the top, at XST, there’s Brenly, who should be at Peoria soon, probably at Mercedes expense; Perez, who has quality tools, and Cerda).

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just Got Word

He was released. So there we go.

Also, Marco Carrillo is currently injured.

by Outshined_One on Apr 8, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

I guess I’m not too surprised …

I’m very curious what happened to Jordan Latham. I know Holley published that article saying Latham was released, but the Cubs came out saying he wasn’t.

by toonsterwu on Apr 8, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm

was reading an interview with dan Mcdaniel – sounds like he’s going to be starting this year, and I’m excited about that. A nice power arm to try – he can always go back to pen work later. A solid 4 pitch arsenal.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

One important point here.

It is very, very, hard to hit in the Midwest League in April. It’s cold, it rains a lot and when games get in, batting practice is often cancelled anyway. The MWL is a pitcher’s league in the first place and it’s even worse in April. Josh Donaldson struggled all April and May for Peoria and then got traded to Oakland who moved him up a level to the California League where he tore the cover off the ball.

That’s one reason I thought they’d move Vitters to Daytona—just to see him hit in a better environment. But as toonsterwu said, nobody panic if Vitters or others struggle in April. Conversely, don’t get too excited if Chris Carpenter throws a seven-inning two-hitter, either.

by Josh Timmers on Apr 7, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

on Donaldson and Vitters

He went from a very hard hit environment to one of the best minor league hitting environments. The FSL is far tougher than the Cal League, and when you couple that with tougher pitchers, I wasn’t looking forward to that move all that much. That said, the reports on Donaldson, even when he was struggling, was fairly good.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true

The FSL is a pitchers league too, although I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as the MWL. And the weather is a lot better in April.

I think that’s a problem the Cubs minor league system has. Although the NWL is a good place to hit, you have pitchers leagues in the MWL, FSL and SL. Then you get to the PCL, and it’s happy time for the hitters again (although the Eastern half of the PCL is not as hitter friendly as the West Coast is.) But it makes evaluation difficult.

by Josh Timmers on Apr 7, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather a pitcher's league than a hitter's league

in all honesty. I look at orgs in the Cal League, and each year, their talent gets overhyped. You can always tell if a pitcher has stuff and location.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree

although I was more referring to the whipsaw of prospects going from high-octane Boise to sluggish Peoria. Making the jump to full-season ball is tough and adding that change in environment just adds to it. Then Iowa yanks it back.

I did look up Daytona, however, and I noticed that Baseball Prospectus has Daytona ranked as the best hitter’s park in the FSL. I thought there was some reason prospects seemed to hit better when leaving Peoria. So there is a bit of a whipsaw there. Tennessee is also a hitter’s park for the SL. Peoria is just death to hitters.

Daytona’s ranking makes what Jay Jackson did last season even more impressive, btw.

As far as the Cal League goes, good organizations know what the environment is and can compensate. The people who get all screwed up on it is the fans, and we don’t matter. The real problem with the Cal League is those blowout games in Lancaster or Adelanto where your pitchers have to throw way too many pitches. On the other hand, there is the positive of no rainouts, too.

by Josh Timmers on Apr 7, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Josh Donaldson can hit

He’s got a definite major league future if he can find a defensive position on the field to settle into. I think he projects as a better version of current Oakland player Daric Barton.

by BLou on Apr 8, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I do like

is that, based off quick scans of teams that we’ll be facing at each level, I feel like we have the capability to field competitive clubs at each level. Sure, that doesn’t mean that much considering the talent level is still low, but it’s a start. We’re really pushing some guys, but that’s somewhat expected with college oriented drafts, and well, a thin system. Even XST should be a competitive “squad”.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Michael Brenly

Just wondering where Brenly is playing since I didn’t seem him on the Peoria roster or the Daytona roster.

by Cubs1984 on Apr 7, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Outshined One

indicated that he got hurt over at Sickels (concussion off the helmet). I haven’t paid that much attention this spring.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Josh...

…. as always, thank you for your efforts and attention to detail in these minor league posts and your daily recaps. I’m grateful to have you here doing this.

Question: how long before Vitters gets promoted? I think the Cubs too often hold back guys like this — some players his age, with his upside, would already be in Double-A.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Apr 7, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I imagine

A superbly hot start by Vitters, and he might be in Daytona in May/June. That said, he really does have some work to do, particularly defensively, and we really can’t judge how good his bat is off of his Boise work.

I just don’t see a point to rush him. He isn’t needed anytime soon, and he could still end the year in Tennessee. The jump up to face harder pitching and be in pitcher’s leagues? Outside of rumors/spec, we don’t know much about Vitters mental toughness. The pitching in the NWL just isn’t good enough that we don’t know how Vitters will be able to deal/adjust. The injury certainly delayed him last year, but there’s no need, IMO, to rush him on account of the fact that other top talent from that year has moved on from Low A. If he’s good, he’ll force his way to Daytona, or the Cubs may keep him at Peoria and jump him straight to Tennessee.

It all comes down to Josh Vitters. I think the Cubs would fast track him in a minute (3rd base is really lean, Kyle Reynolds at AA and Marquez Smith at High A) if he’s doing well.

As for the Cubs movement philosophy? Hard to argue they hold guys back too much, as they’ve pushed some guys in the last year and a half. Guyer at AA, Castro at Daytona, Samardzija’s recent history, James Russell, Jay Jackson, Casey Coleman, James Leverton, and others. Now, Hendry does like his minor league vets at AAA, so that does create a backlog at some positions at times (for example, Canzler getting demoted to High A).

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on how he does, of course

He could go up as early as May, but I kind of doubt that he’ll dominate enough that early to get the call. The exception might be weather-related—if he can’t get enough at-bats in the MWL because of the weather, I could see a move to Daytona. But I think that is unlikely.

The Cubs like to make their moves around June, especially from the time of the June draft to the All-star break. I’d expect him to get moved then, assuming he’s not on the Moustakas plan where he’ll struggle the first half before tearing up the second half.

How well he does will determine where he goes. If he exceeds expectations, he could get bumped all the way to Tennessee, although the Cubs don’t do that much mid-season. Most likely, he goes to Daytona in June and Tennessee sometime in August for a cup of coffee.

by Josh Timmers on Apr 7, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

With recent trends

I’d look for the Cubs to start making moves earlier than June. We’re getting more aggressive in placement, and the overall system, from an organizational perspective, seems a bit more streamlined.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Vitters in Peoria

Number one, I might get to see him play in Cedar Rapids. Number two I hope to see him in Wrigley in a few years. Getting him some exposure to inclement weather hitting should be useful.

by Nibbles on Apr 7, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Cedar Rapids eh

the Angels (and it’s always funny to me that the Angels prospects go from the MWL to the Cal League – talk about polar opposites) have some intriguing talent passing through, off the top. Couple arms really worth watching.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vitters' D

What do you guys who follow the minors so closely make of Vitters playing an above-average 3B according to TotalZone? I know it’s not a huge sample size (140 chances), and the data might not be great in the minor league parks, but still, I found that both surprising and relieving.

by patches on Apr 7, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually

most of the reports late last year was that his defense had improved in Boise. Whereas, when he was drafted, he was considered an iffy proposition to stick at 3rd, most think it’s likely now. He always had the tools to play 3rd … it was a matter of consistency, footwork … the little things.

Now, I want to see how he does in a tougher environment. That is, his confidence was high last year due to the pitching being so bad that he just raked the NWL. I want to see how he does when he goes in a slump – does he carry it into the field?

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

as an added side note

While there’s a lot of development that needs to happen, for the first time in awhile you can somewhat envision an excellent home grown IF that could play at a high caliber. For our recent history, we’ve had some well known positional gaps. But with Vitters at 3rd, Castro getting pushed to Daytona and Ju in the system, a bevy of 2nd base options, it’s promising. The one position where some would debate if we have a good looking talent would be first, but I’m a big fan of Jovan Rosa’s potenital and believe that he can make some of his gap power into HR power.

by toonsterwu on Apr 7, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I saw him play

last sumer, he seemed fine although he wasn’t really tested much. He made all the plays he should have made. He has a strong arm and can get it to first in a hurry. He did embarrass himself by whipping the ball into right field once, although thankfully for the Hawks it was during “around the horn” after a strikeout.

by Josh Timmers on Apr 8, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

oops. I hated when I did that!

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Apr 8, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Josh Vitters Misinformation Campaign 2009

Funny how a couple months ago Jim Hendry was talking Vitters up on maybe making the leap all the way to Double A ball. Personally, I’m disappointed to see Vitters start out at Peoria. And I don’t think political decisions should or did enter into the assignment of the best prospect in the system to Peoria.

Big year for Vitters. He needs to kick it in the ass and demonstrate the organization’s faith in him. And his defense needs to make big improvements.

by BLou on Apr 8, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Vitters' Defense

TotalZone has Vitters as having plus defense at 3B last season, albeit in a relatively limited period of time (140 chances). Seems he’s already well on his way towards making those big improvements.

by Outshined_One on Apr 8, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

By most accounts, most are satisfied with his potential ability to stick at 3rd.

I highly doubt that politics was a huge factor in the decision on placement. Could it have been a tie-breaking factor? Perhaps, but there was every reason to start him at Peoria, even for a cup of coffee there.

by toonsterwu on Apr 8, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bear in mind that TZ numbers are relative to other minor league fielders...

…who are typically not as good as major league fielders. (I don’t think the effect is as pronounced as with hitting, but it’s still important.)

by cwyers on Apr 9, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to seeing them come to Lansing

to play the hometown Lugnuts May 5-7.

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by Zeke on Apr 8, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Will do. Hope Vitters is sill with them by then...

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by Zeke on Apr 9, 2009 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

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