In the Wake of Nick Adenhart's Death
by Cub Style on Apr 9, 2009 4:30 PM CDT
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PrintBeing an avid Cubs and baseball fan and avid fan of the minor leagues, I have my favorites from around the league, both Major and Minor Leaguers, Nick Adenhart was one of them. In the eve of this season, I was anticipating seeing him pitch again in a Major League game and couldn’t wait to see a Cahill-Adenhart matchup because those were two of my favorites. Now seeing his career disappear like that, it just makes me sad. You wonder, what did this kid do to deserve this? He didn’t do anything, he just played the game of baseball, and played it very well. But I’m glad I at least got to see him pitch a few times. Rest in peace, Nick.
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Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Sorry if I offended you
I just wanted to make a more personal post regarding the death of one of my favorite players.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
How can you gauge....
someone’s intent by a simple link?
Relax.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
Awe, com'on, "cubswin". There's gotta be at least ONE person on BCB here that likes me...
Uncalled for, but I don’t care, because I don’t know you and you’re a bad typist/speller/abbreviator.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Dan - I agree
with your sentiment in posting the above link. Why on earth are there two fanposts and one fanshot on this accident?
If you want to make a personal comment, go to the Angels SBN site. I don’t mean to sound callous, but by this time tomorrow, this story will be an afterthought as we will be discussing Cubs at Brewers.
Bottom line: tragedies like this happen everyday that we don’t hear about. Of course he didn’t deserve to be killed by a drunk driver. I’m interested – who DOES deserve to be killed by a drunk driver?
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
Question???
Who made you guys fanpost police??? Who on earth really cares? A Peavy or Roberts post I can understand but you guys gotta mellow out. Let Al worry about regulating BCB — It’s NOT your problem
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
by calicubfan on Apr 9, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can you honestly
say this post makes any sense?
“In the wake of Nick Adenhart’s Death” leads me to believe the author has something relevant to discuss concerning the aftermath, like the Angels are going to ban alcohol from their clubhouse, etc, etc.
And this was the third of three posts on the topic, which pushes relevant posts off the front page.
“You wonder, what did this kid do to deserve this?” What kind of question is that?
BTW, I didn’t realize BCB was a dictatorship in which the peasants aren’t allowed to voice any sort of dissenting opinion….my bad.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
In the case of this terrible tragedy...
… I think that all of us, myself included, can lighten up on being fanpost police.
This post is fine with me; it’s a good place for people to express their feelings about this.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Thanks Al
Thats the one thing I really hate about this website is everyone thinking they have some authority on here. We’re grown people, and its just a simple Cubs forum. Calm down.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Look...
..we don’t need to turn this into a war of words. Point is, an MLB player got killed under terrible circumstances, the poster was moved by it, and he felt like sharing his feelings.
Is it obnoxious when 5 posts get put up on the same topic? Of course. I’d agree w/ you if this was a Peavy post! But this is an extraordinary event, and just like other big stories, people sometimes over-post. Just let it go. It does no good to bash the guy for posting his feelings. All it does is make people nervous of making a fanpost out of fear of over-posting.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
This isn't a personal vendetta or political statement on my part, and it is blown out of proportion.
I posted a link to a post on the same exact topic. Now there are three posts on the same exact topic. I think it’s polite and considerate to spend 5-12 seconds scanning the other posts/shots for related topics before you post one of your own. It’s literally that easy and that time consuming. I’m sorry, I have little patience and respect for a thread that is identical to two others, because it is clear to me the poster had little patience or respect for those other threads. I’m not trying to be a little bitch, I didn’t personally attack someone (like this “cubswin” did to me), or even say anything. No, it is not my blog, not in the least, but I’d like to think the users of any website (especially ones that are on it for years and thousands of comments) do a decent job of justly and fairly moderating it. It’s an emotional investment for them, too.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I agree w/ you...
… that people should scan for other posts. But this was only the second post on BCB for this person— so he probably just didn’t realize he was duplicating it.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
There are a few situations in life...
where we should just forgive each other a few mistakes.
So if someone posts without checking hither and yon, or phrases something a little badly, like with “deserve” yeah, OK.
It is indeed correct to point out that there has already been a post and a fanshot.
But “correct” and “right” aren’t always the same. This is one of those cases.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Dan...
… I’d suggest you drop this issue on this particular topic. On most topics, I agree with you and I ask people not to duplicate posts.
The death of Nick Adenhart is an extraordinary situation and I believe it deserves some leeway. Let’s stop this part of the discussion right here and stop policing. Thanks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I have no problem with that.
I wasn’t trying to come across as a jerk and I didn’t mean to offend Cub Style. I didn’t think my position was being fairly represented and wanted to state my piece without sounding like a jerk. I hope that came across.
Re-post, but if you haven’t already, you can share some words over @ Halos Heaven. I found it to be a nice tribute to Adenhart.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I agree re: Halos Heaven
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
To being part of a virtual "community"
You’re part of that too . . . every community has someone who thrives on mocking or criticizing others
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I missed ya!
Wait, that’s not true.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
You're OK...
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Apr 12, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
It is very sad
but no one “deserves” to be killed by a drunk driver.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 9, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions
Many, many people die in accidents involving drunk drivers...
the fact that he was a ML baseball player doesn’t make him any more or less special than the approximately 13,000 people who die in alcohol related auto accidents every year. I appreciate the fact that a “high profile” death like this can bring more attention to a terrible problem, but I get a little annoyed at how the media and some people jump on it and place the “famous” victims on a pedestal. It’s a tragic loss for his family and baseball, but it’s just as tragic for the families of the other 34 people who die everyday in drunk driving related accidents.
/rant
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 9, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
well said
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Absolutely spot on
rec’d
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
I think what's often said is true...........
put someone on a pedestal and someone inevitably will knock him off…..you did a good job
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
I think what's often said is true...........
put someone on a pedestal and someone inevitably will knock him off…..you did a good job
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
Sorry, I stutter when I'm upset
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
Impressions
I got the the impression that the poster was just wanting to comment on the passing of a player who he stated was one of his favorites not placing him on a pedestal. Why does it seem like the site is littered with eggshells?
Agreed.
People bitching about redundancy is so aggravating. What’s it hurting? I mean, really… what does it hurt to have two threads about this?
SWL was not bitching about two posts
his point is every day someone dies from a DUI related accident, as well as cancer, aids, gun shot, drowning, volcano eruption, heart attack, and countless other wats, but we never hear about these people unless they are famous people. It is tragic, and taking nothing away from this sad incident, it is also common in the world we live in.
Prime example, why did no one post anything about the pirates taking the US Naval ship, or the Captain still being held hostage from it, which is a bigger issue IMO since the armed forces men and women on the shop are protecting our feeedom, and deserve as much if not more recognition than a baseball player.
I feel for the family of this player, and his friends, do not misunderstand that, but I feel for the families and friends of those armed force members even more.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
wats=ways
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
shop=ship
i need Robodome to type for me I think
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
At some point, we do shut off
I’m trying to turn over a new leaf here and be respectful to all. You seem like the best place to start.
It is true that there are countless horrid tragedies every day. Nick Adenhart is one of 34 (I’m using SWL’s stats) that died that day. In that accident alone, a young woman died and she might get quickly forgotten.
It IS unfair. But at some point, we focus on what we focus on. This is a Cubs board, and a baseball board in general. It seems natural that the death of a 22-year-old baseball player comes to the fore here.
You could make a very strong case that we should celebrate victories in whatever skirmishes are taking place in Iraq and Afghanistan much more than we celebrate 11-6 victories in Houston.
But we don’t. Because this is a contained world discussing baseball.
And at the end of the day, it seems a little macabre to worry about portioning out grief according to importance. We feel what we feel and we shouldn’t feel guilty about it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I agree with all you said there
and if I seemed like I was trying tomake anyone feel guilty, that was not my reason for my post.
This is a tragic event, do not misunderstand my feelings about it. That being said I do agree with SWL, that tragic events happen to everyone daily, and almost all of them go without recognition.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Why did no one post about the US naval ship?
Because this is a baseball blog.
We posted about the baseball player because this is a baseball blog.
I’m not sure why you can’t see the difference.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
However, if you want to read my US Naval Blog
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Akl i was using it as an example
and I do understand the difference
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Why couldn't this have been a comment in either of the threads though
I’m sorry the original poster lost one of their favorite players and understand needing/wanting to express that… but there was a spot already. Its not like the site has ignored it. Or that anyone I’ve seen has lost their mind saying anything snarky.
Express your grief if you need to and however you need to. Just be advised that if you aren’t the right place, someone will point you to the correct one. And I don’t think anyone was unreasonable. And if you think thats “eggshells” then I apologize.
But I haven’t seen Cub Style taking umbrage for anything said here.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 9, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I've also read several posts...
talking about how his great game last night made it all the more tragic.
I know people didn’t mean anything by it. At least, I am not going to assume they did.
But folks, this would have been awful if he’d have been 0-12 with a 11.83 ERA for a Single A team and gotten rocked for six homers last night.
Or, to paraphrase SWL, just as awful for any person in any field.
I used to think possible good could come out of “famous” cases, because it would shine a light on the problem.
But we have long had enough light. It’s just a sad, worthless part of the human condition. Some people are selfish enough to believe that their fourth scotch is worth more than the safety of others.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Like so many other vulgarities in this world, drunk driveng is another
example of someone putting their own personal intrest over the rest of society. We seem to strive to do the worst to our fellow man without any thought of the consequences. It’s so destressing to hear the continual occurences of indiviiduals being so careless and thoughtless and cavalierly taking human life in this manner. I used get annoyed at the groups like MADD andn SADD for their continual efforts in trying to reduce these types of actions, but now I feel that we as society are giving this action short shrift.
When people like Charles Barkley, who have a public forum, say that they made a mistake but try to laugh it off, it annoys me. Changes in behavior start with a single act. This change is long overdue. Don’t drink and drive. Ever.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 9, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
But you said it yourself, Santow....
When ‘famous’ people lose their life to disease/tragedy/whatever, it can shed more light on the problem.
My father passsed due to Parkinson’s. Michael J. Fox can bring more way attention to fighting the disease than a million ‘regular’ citizens. He’s out there every day lobbying for funding and other ways to fight the problem.
I can give money to help fight the disease, I can tell others, but Michael J. Fox appearing in front of Congress can do much more.
Publicizing deaths of celebrities also might actually touch people — who have been fortunate enough never to have experienced tragedy.
If some individual decides they’d better not drink and drive, after hearing about this — maybe somebody else’s life is saved. There are stories every, every, every day about people who lose their lives in such accidents. They are buried at the bottom corner of the paper ‘because this happens every day.’ These stories are ignored.
This is a story that gets full attention — representing the thousands of others whose stories are never told.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 10, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree SDSJM....
I’d just like to see the the rhetoric toned down a bit sometimes over some of these guys.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 10, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand what you're saying
It’s not so much that it shouldn’t get attention, but it’s almost as a famous person gets cannonized.
Adenhart’s death is just as tragic, and he may well have been a wonderful human being. But the awful circumstances surrounding his death make him no better or worse a person than he was the day before.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly...
if he was as holy and awesome as ESPN, Peter Gammons, Buster Olney, Bud Selig, Mike Scioscia, Arte Moreno, Jay Leno, Jewel and Xzibit say….then why didn’t they tell us BEFORE his tragic, untimely death?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 10, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
And why didn’t they tell us about the fan who was killed at the A’s game? I hadn’t heard of that until yesterday — was that life no less valued?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Or the other 3 people in the car with Adenhart.
One survived the crash and the last I heard was in critical condition in the hospital. But everyone seems so busy publicly grieving for Adenhart that they’re saying nothing about the survivor. Who I guess wasn’t famous.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 10, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
not true
they are covering him in So Cal as his status has been updated quite a few times. I believe he was a former baseball player at Cal St. Fullerton.
i've heard nothing nationally
but i’m glad to know SoCal is paying attention to him.
The whole thing really is horrible.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 10, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPN radio has had live radio remotes
and mulitple interviews and every news channel has had on going coverage.
They charged the guy with murder today—not sure if that has made it out nationally yet. But this entire story is getting coverage, for certain.
Couldn’t agree more with you—this is horrible.
and they have had
tv interviews with the mother of the girl who was driving. This is a tragedy for all parties involved.
It truly is a tragedy for all parties
But the only reason they interviewed the mother on TV is that Adenhart was one of the woman’s passengers.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
what's it matter?
the coverage is not only on the person involved who was famous, but everyone. I responded to “that they’re saying nothing about the survivor. Who I guess wasn’t famous.” and that is just not accurate.
They aren't saying anything that I'm getting
But everyone and their mother has written something about how horrible it is that Adenhart won’t realize his baseball potential.
And that bothers me. But I’m genuinely glad to hear SoCal is getting updates on the injuried passenger. And hope they make a full recovery.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 10, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Aw man
that is awful.
Thanks the updates, socalbob.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 10, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
DA
hosting a news conference at 2:30 pm today (PST). Police have recommended a murder charge. It will be interesting to hear what the DA says.
Hope the DA throws the book at 'em
if they really were drunk.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 10, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It is relevant to the extent that it is what we were talking about
Follow up the comment line. We were talking about how celebs get different treatment.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't believe such people are
‘canonized’ but they are symbolic of those who do not get mentioned. Their ‘fame’ can be used to publicize a problem in ways will not happen if the guy next door loses his life in such a tragic incident.
I just feel a lot of you here don’t understand my point. That’s OK, but I am not putting these people on a pedestal, which many still seem to think is inevitable in such circumstances.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 11, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
FWI for anyone in Orange County and L.A. TV markets...
Fox Sports Net is replaying last night’s Angels game right now.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
Athletes don't matter more
But they seem to hit harder when they die. Posnanski sums it up much more eloquently than any of us can
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/04/09/adenhart/index.html?eref=T1
Athletes, especially male athletes (although that is changing), represent youth, power, potential, the ideal of physical and mental. (The fact that most of them are rich and have the world in front of them doesn’t hurt) Even the lowliest Single A pitcher can likely strike 90 percent of us out on no more than four pitches.
To see one cut down so young, so untapped, is heartbreaking.
No, it SHOULDN’T matter more than the 8-year-old dying of leukemia, or the 19-year-old soldier. There is youth and potential there as well.
And yet it does.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
not to be rude...
but I could have totally gone yard against the 2008 Bob Howry.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 10, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, there are exceptions to every rule...
I’m pretty sure I could have at least managed a gap double against the 2004 LaTroy Hawkins, at least if we told him a wild card berth was at stake.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
and if it was a save situation
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 10, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I think I might be able to eek out an infield single...
…against that cute Japanese knuckleballer girl.
You can call me "20K."
This is a piece
that kind of goes a bit far. It’s terrible when anybody young — athlete, or not dies. This article does canonize athletes and puts them on a pedestal, which I’m not in agreement with.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 11, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
And when he pitched the night before..
it seems even more surreal. I watched those highlights on ESPN from the night previous and they showed him in the dugout- to think he only had a few more hours to live is just unbelievable. It reminds us how brief our life is- we never know when our last day will be. It could be today.
It also reminds us how trivial things like sports are. Wherever Nick Adenhart is now, I’m sure he couldn’t care less about baseball.
My thoughts go out to his family
it is ashame that a life is taken (any life) by someone who is too selfish to consider others when acting.
Someone made a good point though. At what point does the bitching about redundancy become redundant here?
The “I’m new here” posts I can understand but it seems like a lot of time here is spent readying to pounce on someone who doesn’t conduct themselves exactly as certain people have deemed appropriate.
Why isn’t it up to Al to determine who is in the wrong? He did so with the “I’m new here” post.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
Another great piece
This was written by Ramona Shelburne of the LA Daily News. I highly recommend it.
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_12114112
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
Outstanding.
Thanks for posting the link.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Those of you criticize Scott Boras
for squeezing every dollar he can for his clients ( who often are of questionable talent) should take note that he was so overcome with grief he could not even speak. He broke down in tears. He had obviously cared for Adenhart very much. As annoying as he can be he does care about more than his commission .
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
Yeah, I saw that last night on CNN.
It was pretty moving. My wife had no idea who he was, so I had to explain why I was so interested in his reaction.
You can call me "20K."
You realize that was because he was thinking of the mega-FA contract Adenheart was never going to get to sign right?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 10, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I find my snark rising like bile when I hear about Boras’ grief.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
In all fairness, it seemed pretty genuine.
I’m certainly no fan of the guy, but I can’t quite bring myself to say he was acting.
You can call me "20K."
Boooooo!
uncalled for. I hope that was in jest.
This was about the transformation of Nick feeling like he was finally a “big leaguer” and sharing that moment with his family and friends after the game and then less than 1 hour after leaving them he was killed. It has nothing to do with contracts. C’mon.
In addition to Adenhart, a man named Henry Pearson and a woman named Courtney Stewart were killed. They didn’t have great fastballs and thus didn’t receive moving public tributes. Pearson and Stewart were 25 and 20 years old and their families are every bit as grief-stricken as the Adenharts.
The man at fault for the accident is 22 years old. He didn’t leave a bar or a party intending to slaughter three people, even if he did ultimately commit a crime. I doubt that his family is very happy right now.
Everybody lost.
"I'd rather play baseball than eat." - Andy Pafko
Actually...
… the Angels did mention both of the names of the others killed in the accident during the pre-game tribute. I thought that was a nice thing to do.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
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