Accountability
by CalDeano on May 1, 2009 2:54 PM CDT
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PrintWe can argue over whether the moves made this offseason were the right ones, and talk about the injuries, the matchups, whatever.
But how this team, with this payroll, after the year they had last year, can look this bad is incomprehensible. I'm at a loss, completely.
It's basically the same question I was asking myself in the NLDS - how a team that looked so good in the regular season, could look so bad in the playoffs.
We beat up on terrible pitching, but make mediocre pitchers look like Cy Young candidates. And when we face actual Cy Young candidates, we might as well not show up. And guess what kind of pitching you see exclusively in the playoffs?
We have no leader. We have no fire. We have no emotion. We have, maybe, one clutch hitting. We have no fun. So far, we have no accountability.
At some point, blame has to start falling, and not on the players we *dont* have, but the players we do.
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wait it out
Yes, they’re having some trouble. I really think Lou is going to consider some changes here and there plus treat some of the rest of the month as extended Spring Training.
As long as they don’t let things get out of control in terms of GB, I’m fairly certain they’ll be back up where they belong by around the ASB.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
Where the eagles fly?
On mountains high?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 1, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
We need...
Edmonds! Not for any logistical reason given the current roster, just to have a guy who has always been a winner on the team.
marquis fits that mold as well
in fact, the team that Marquis is on, has yet to miss the playoffs in his career
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
look at his track record
Atlanta, St Louis, Chicago and each season they made the post season
I am not saying he is the lone reason why
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Cubs and Cards didn't even put him on their post season rosters 2 of those post seasons.
Jason Marquis was in no way, shape or form responsible for anyone getting to the playoffs.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 2, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
if you read the post I was replying to
my comment makes sense. stop picking the fly shit out of the pepper
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Actually, I believe Marquis WAS on the Cubs playoff roster...
…in both of the last two postseasons – he just never played.
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We're fans
We have real jobs. It’s THEIR job to improve the product.
We have no more responsibility to make this team better than we have to make TV shows we watch better.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
plus the money we make at our regular jobs
is what pays their salaries. We pay for entertainment, and part of the entertainment value is winning in their industry.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
So let me get this straight
We do best against really bad pitchers
We do worse against mediocre pitchers
We do the worst against the best pitchers in the league
This is a hilariously stupid thing to be complaining about. You’re basically saying, “Like all teams in baseball, the better a pitcher is the worse we do! What’s up with that?!?! Grrrr accountability!!!!”
hardly..
We kill bad pitching.
We suck against mediocre pitching. We’re supposed to get to the WS this year, we should not SUCK against Doug Davis.
We don’t even show up for the best pitchers in the league. And yes, we should do well against the best pitches in the league. These are the pitches we’ll see in the playoffs.
Doug Davis has his not so good days, and then he has his awesome days
We just happened to get him on his awesome start. Chill
Funny the way it is, how a kid walks ten miles to school while another is dropping out
I think the Cubs are 6-8 against Doug Davis
So they’re slightly under .500 against him overall.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 1, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Doug Davis
is exactly the kind of pitcher who kills us.
It’s not good vs. bad, it’s straight-ballers vs. junk-ballers.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't even show up for the best pitchers in the league?
You mean like Roy Oswalt?
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
give it a little more time
NLDS last year was by a bunch of players that didn’t beileve they can win and play not to lose. That’s why all the errors in game 2.
This years team needs a little more time to figure it out. At least we have management that is willing to make changes.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
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they looked pretty good today.
Grand-slam by Riot, several insurance runs manufactured by hits and sac-flys.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
Thats because I created this post.
You are all welcome.
Nothing left to do but sell off our veterans for prospects and hope to compete in 2012... :)
While I’ll be the first to admit that our team currently has some obvious flaws, it’s hard to name an MLB team that doesn’t. It’s only May 1st and we’re still a .500 team in spite of it all. The ’03 Cubs were a .500 team on July 30th and they went on to win a playoff series. The ’05 ’Stros were under .500 on May 1st and they won the pennant.
Let’s all take a deep breath and at least wait until more of the season has played out before we get too eager to write off this team. It’s not like this is the worst Cubs team any of us has ever seen…
Theriot was Little Babe today, settle down.
With a lot of struggles in injuries and a pen that was downgraded, and a bench that looks physically and mentally challenged, they are still at .500 after a single month of play. It’s not time to roll out the red carpet but it isn’t time to clean house either. I’d look at carrying one less pitcher, and replace one of the existing bench players for someone who belongs at MLB level, and ad another bench player. That’s not really earth shattering. The Cubs are going to give some players much more time to see what they have and I think that’s a reasonable approach. There are some tweaks that can be made to the lineup in the interim but nothing that’s going to make us 40-20.
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this is almost like 2007 where the mgr has to start all over again. what hurt us was having no money to spend over the winter. thats why you end up with guys like miles and gathright and have to sell off players like derosa to free up money.amazing how everyone thinks the cubs winning is a given now.and lucky me i live next door to a cardinal fan.
DeRo hasn't been doing much better
Than Miles or Fonty. Some people really need to get over it. DeRo is gone and for good purposes.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on May 2, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Not neccasarily
They have a younger, and maybe even better starter at second now, in Fonty.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on May 2, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed, Fonte is a younger, better fielding, lefty with similar power that is cost controlled.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 2, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
But the point made was "good purposes".
I assumed the poster was implying that DeRo was dealt as part of the cost savings to acquire Bradley.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yes, DeRo was also moved to free up money, agree with you on that one.
DeRo’s trade brought in 3 pitching prospects, freed up money for Bradley, and allowed the Cubs to put a better fielding lefty bat at second. I hope I covered all the bases for all the DeRomantics that still can’t understand why he’s in Cleveland. I can’t wait until the end of the season to see how he and MB’s numbers compare.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 2, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
What I like about you!!!
You hold me tie-eeeet!!!
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up down turn around do it to me ev-ar-y NIEEEEEEEET!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 4, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Your whispering in my eee-yah!!!
Tell me all the things that I like to hee-yahhh!!!
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seeing as MB is RF and DeRo is 3B
it is apples and oranges
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Yes
That’s exactly my point. I had a man crush on DeRo, along with most people, but I loved the deal, because I knew if was for good.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on May 3, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Two things that refuse to be admitted around here...
1. The 2008 Cubs were blessed with an inordinate amount of players having big production years.
2. The 2008 Cubs were blessed with remarkably good health overall. Soriano was on the shelf for a period and so was Kerry Wood, but beyond that it was the typical minor aches and pains type of stuff.
The window for winning a World Series may have waned.
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