Where to look to salvage this season

It's way too early to look at any significant deals.

No team is going to do anything, most likely, until a month from now.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Disagree.......

IMHO now is an excellent time to make a deal.

With some teams hurting for cash Hendry may be able to swoop in and pick a player up. This year trades will be all about shedding salary.

by timeforachange2009 on May 11, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

if we try toforce trades now, two things likely happen

1. we give up too much, since we look to be desperate
2. we truly do not know who is availbale come June 1st that we cannot stop, say ST Louis from getting, because we have handcuffed ourselves.

IMHO beginning of June, we start shopping and see what is available, and what the cost will be.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree with both points...

Given our injuries, teams will really be looking to milk us in a trade knowing how many players we’ve had down already.

As for point #2…while I believe our starting rotation doesn’t need another piece (assuming Z comes back on track), say we acquire an Erik Bedard and later find out Halliday is on the market. An extreme example to be sure, but the market will continue to grow as the deadline nears.

P.S. +1

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on May 11, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point......

was that there are teams that are hurting financially. These teams may not require top prospects back. Their reward may be cutting cost

by timeforachange2009 on May 11, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by trading their good player(s)

the ones who draw the few fans that are showing up for them? by trading their top player, they will draw less people to their games than now. The upside to that is what?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is.....

all about cutting costs. Whether it is now or at the deadline IMHO there will be alot of sellers with few buyers.

The teams that are not doing well likely aren’t drawing big numbers to begin with.

by timeforachange2009 on May 11, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and those top tier players

who you are advocating be traded by their teams, how many have a NTC, how many are close to the only reason a fan goes to the game. A team will not trade their ONLY draw, that is not going to happen, nor can they trade those wiht a NTC without the player agreeing to the trade. Not to mention that those teams selling their top players are going to want quality prospects, no one is going to be moved for free.

your idea is not bad, but far fetched.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Take this with a grain of salt...

… but Peter Gammons agrees with him. I remember him saying earlier in the year on BBTN that clubs were going to have to sacrifice value in a deal because of their financial difficulties, and that smart teams like Boston would take advantage.

While I agree that big stars sell tickets, I don’t think that Garret Atkins (whom I use as an example solely because he is mentioned in the post) is the reason Rockies fans come to games. We’re likely not fishing for big stars, but second-tier guys (preferably bullpen help).

by Pat19 on May 11, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm asking this sincerely, assuming you may be right.

Do you really think that teams like Baltimore and San Diego wouldn’t make a trade if the right offer came along? Aubrey Huff, Melvin Mora those guys have no value to McPhail beyond trade chips. Kyle Blanks is playing LF on the farm, so I figure SD should be willing to trade one of Kouzmanoff/Headley.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The point is...

… look at history. Who makes big deals in early May? No one. And financial situations aren’t going to change that.

Early June is when teams look to deal. The longer the teams with the chips wait, the more they can get in return.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right, we're not going to get Garet Atkins or Cliff Lee right now

but Melvin Mora and George Sherrill?

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

George Sherrill ?

Baltimore is going to trade their closer in May and Gregg is THAT bad and he is that much better ?
Boy this stuff is silly.

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by Doggie Stalker on May 11, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think the Cubs would look at Sherrill as a closer

but as a LOOGY he could be effective and probably better than Cotts.

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by Trey2317 on May 11, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sherrill would be a VERY good acquisition...

He would replace Cotts as the LOOGY. The guy absolutely kills LH batters. His OPS against versus LH is .349(!) this year, and under .500 for 2006-2008.

That said, I don’t think we could get him. But he wouldn’t be used as a closer anywhere other than Baltimore.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sherril would be an awful acquisition...

And I say that as a Sherrill fan.

He wouldn’t close here, and likely wouldn’t be the eighth-inning setup guy either. So, why would a team pay, what? Twice the money — and prospects to boot — to replace their LOOGY.

This is how GMs get fired. Keep your powder dry, and use that cash for acquisitions that have real impact.

by Damen Jackson on May 11, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was referring to his ability, not his cost...

He would fill a huge void as the LOOGY. The guy destroys LH pitching.

As I said, we probably can’t afford him, and thus won’t get him. But he has talent.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That we can agree on....

I pretty much was cheerleading this idea during the off-season actually.

by Damen Jackson on May 11, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dang, yeah.

Sherrill’s career splits against lefties are FILTHY. 4.59 K/BB, .512 OPS.

But, as Damen, points out, the price tag would likely be way too high. And I really wonder how much longer Hendry can keep going to the well with the Orioles.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 11, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed...

I was merely contesting the idea that he wouldn’t be useful to us.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pujols would be useful

but I don’t expect to get him either. My point was that this is basically an absurd suggestion. NO ONE is trading yet and the Cubs do NOT have the players /prospects to trade to get anyone of significance . I also get a chuckle out the idea we can pick up much salary. We dumped or let go Marquis, Wood & DeRosa for financial reasons ( well DeRo cause he was right handed too).

Well let’s just say I can tell this an off day. I am impressed the post did not suggest Peavy or Roberts. That showed some restraint but I can not emphasize to much how silly this stuff is.

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by Doggie Stalker on May 11, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought I had read that Sherrill had lost his closer's job.

That may be wrong, but it was the kind of idea I was suggesting, that a player with limited value and a player the O’s may see as losing value, could make sense for them to trade w/o fleecing us for wanting the trade early in the season.

The question of salary is the big one, though. I really only see us being able to work the market if we can take on salary. If we can’t, we can’t. And I don’t think any of us know what the true state of the finances are.

Yes, the Cubs said finances were behind Marquis and DeRosa, although I think it’s just as likely that a desire to give Marshall and Fontenot were as much behind those trades as anything else.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Might as well find out

hell, if MacPhail is willing to acquire Gathright, I’m not sure the Cubs can go to the well enough.

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by Trey2317 on May 11, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I looked back, because I thought the Carlos Beltran (to the Astros) trade had come early in the season.

But even that was at the end of June. Any baseball historian remember the biggest name that was traded before June in the recent past?

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Recent past....biggest names....

May 14, 1998

Florida Marlins traded Manuel Barrios, Bobby Bonilla, Jim Eisenreich, Charles
Johnson and Gary Sheffield to Los Angeles Dodgers in exchange for Mike Piazza and
Todd Zeile.

Does that qualify?

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by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the Astros

acquired Carlos Beltran about this time five years ago.

by elgato on May 11, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

are you sure?

maybe if u read up a few comments…

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my bad

sorry

by elgato on May 12, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

June 24, 2004

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes it does

but to every rule there is an exception, and how many players involved in that move had a NTC, and do we have the players needed for such a move as above?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was a salary dump by management that didn't know what they were doing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Plus it was 11 years ago

which shows the point that trades of any significance rarely happen this year.

To the poster above: Beltran was June 24.

by rlpete on May 11, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

plus was after winning a WS

and they didnt hang onto Piazza long either

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Marlins traded Piazza almost a week later on May 22, 1998

to New York Mets in exchange for Geoff Goetz, Preston Wilson and Ed Yarnall.

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not many big names, but here are some of the notables

April 30, 2008
Detroit Tigers traded Jason Grilli to Colorado Rockies in exchange for Zach Simons

April 24, 2006
Los Angeles Dodgers traded Cody Ross to Cincinnati Reds in exchange for a player to be named later; Los Angeles Dodgers received Ben Kozlowski (June 1, 2006)

May 14, 2005
Philadelphia Phillies traded Marlon Byrd to Washington Nationals in exchange for
Endy Chavez

April 25, 2004
Atlanta Braves traded Russell Branyan to Cleveland Indians in exchange for Scott
Sturkie

….this is a reach calling Branyan good

May 22, 2002
Oakland Athletics traded Jeremy Giambi to Philadelphia Phillies in exchange for John Mabry

May 12, 2000
Chicago Cubs traded Mark Guthrie and cash to Tampa Bay Devil Rays in exchange for Dave Martinez

May 21, 1999
Minnesota Twins traded Rick Aguilera and Scott Downs to Chicago Cubs in exchange for Kyle Lohse and Jason Ryan

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only trade of any significance there is...

… the one where the Cubs got Aguilera. They did that in a panic move after Rod Beck had to have elbow surgery. At that May date the 1999 Cubs were still in contention. Needless to say, the move failed, and so did the ’99 Cubs.

All those other trades are very minor in nature, similar to the Gathright/Freel deal.

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by Al on May 11, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

this supports the point that the pennant-chasing deals are not made in May

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by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Buckner for Eckersley

If I recall was in late May. Buckner of course went on to blow a WS for Boston, and Eckersley became a Hall of Famer after the Cubs traded him away so I guess we broke even?

Billy Beane once said teams spend the first quarter of the season figuring out what they need, the second quarter of the season trying to acquire what they need, and the last half of the season trying to win with what they have. I guess the moral of the quote is the Cubs should wait until at least a quarter if the season is gone…cuz’ we just might need something more in a few weeks when the rest of the team lands on the DL than we think we need now.

by BucknerKongCardenal on May 11, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

-1 for saying Buckner blew the WS

The Sox had already frittered away a 2-run lead with 2 out and bases empty. The game was tied when Buckner made the error — and there was a game 7!

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by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But... but...

… it was all Steve Bartmans fault!

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by AndrewJStone on May 12, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Something about a cat or a black goat . . .

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

but that’s the play we remember.

In 1980, the USA-Russia hockey game was the semi-finals, not the finals. I don’t remember that game at all, wasn’t it against Sweden or Norway? But the Miracle on Ice is the USA-Russia game.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Finland

I think.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed, it was Finland

USA won, 4-2. They trailed 2-1 entering the third period.

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by Trey2317 on May 12, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Still, it's not factual

Like our alter-ego Dave, I don’t like to let things like that go unchecked.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we are makers of fashion, Kate!

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Factual?

Buckner was my favorite Cub, but let’s not kid ourselves. The last play of Game 6 rolled under his legs. We all know what happened after the botch, the Mets won the WS, and yes they needed another game to do so, but what happens if Buckner makes the play? Fact is Boston still could have won Game 6, right? He blew it.

Also, if Stephen Hawking was sitting in Bartman’s seat in that other fateful Game 6, do you think the Marlins would have still won?

by BucknerKongCardenal on May 13, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's kind of a weak argument...

because Boston still could have won Game 7 by the same argument.

If Buckner makes the play, there’s no guarantee the Sox win Game 6. Buckner missing the play ended Game 6, but did not guarantee the Sox would lose the series.

by SouthernCub on May 14, 2009 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely right -- thanks for the backup

And yes, BKC — factual.

Just because it’s a convenient video clip doesn’t mean that’s why the Red Sox lost.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 14, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What do you examples have in common?

They dismiss accountability.

Bartman opened the door, but the Cubs had plenty of chances to close it.

It is indeed a fact that the Buckner play did not, in itself, cost the Red Sox the W.S. How is that more an issue than giving up the two runs to tie it? Or any other inning where the Mets scored, or any scoring chances that the Red Sox may have missed out on?

Let’s say he makes the play, then the Mets win an inning later – don’t you think that still would have been a crushing defeat?

You’d ALMOST have an argument if it was game 7, and the miscue allowed the tying AND winning runs to score. But still — that ignores everything that happened before that point.

To take your flawed logic to an admitted extreme — Rich Hill pitched a great game on the last Saturday of the 2007 season. We all know what happened next. The Diamondbacks swept the NLDS and Hill couldn’t find the plate for at least a year. So, clearly the Cubs and Hill were made complacent by that game.

Also, if the dog hadn’t stopped to s**t, he’d have caught the rabbit.

Accountability.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 14, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why oh why did we re-acquire Guthrie in '03?

Stupid Mike Lowell homer.

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by Goodie1969 on May 11, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree...

…the time to assess is mid-June, and if you are losing significant ground, that is the time to get aggressive.

Right now, the most important thing they can do is to get the pen straightened out. Beyond that, toss the guys out there and let them play.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 11, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the use of the word "salvage"

is really hyperbolic.

There’s absolutely no reason why the Indians would return Mark DeRosa to us. None.

And Sean Marshall deserves his shot at the starting lineup. We cannot shove every mildly shaky performer into the pen; if we did, only Ted Lilly would be in the starting lineup. Not that Ted Lilly couldn’t pitch every day if he wanted to; he just lets the other pitchers into the rotation as a gesture of respect.

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by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs

Marshall has done an excellent job so far.

I don’t understand why people want to take him out of the rotation.

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by Al on May 11, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

To get Cotts off of the roster

Also, as I said yesterday, I’m still not convinced that Marshall has the stuff & stamina to be a starting pitcher. I’m not saying that he doesn’t, either — I’m just not convinced yet.

Wells’ next start could be an audition to stay in the rotation, not the bullpen.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cotts could be replaced by Jason Waddell.

Marshall isn’t really a LOOGY either.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure that a LOOGY is required

Piniella doesn’t use them that way, anyway.

I think that the Cubs could do a lot worse than Marshall as the #5, but he could be a nice fix for the bullpen, and Wells could be adequate as a starter.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why not try

Waddell before you start mucking with the rotation.

Marshall has starting experience in 06, 07, and 08. That in my opinion is invaluable as the season drags along. He has confidence and he does not get get rattled. Those are key attributes to have in August and September.

Wells had a nice start on Friday and looked decent last year coming out of the bullpen but I don’t think he is talented enough to makeup for his lack of experience. At this point, I don’t really care if they have a lefty or not in their bullpen. I just want a collection of relievers who can get guys out on a regular basis and be consistent strike throwers.

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by TheRiot Police on May 11, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not suggesting that this is the move that they make

I believe that this is the move that they WILL make. I think that’s the rationale they will use.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how do you get convinced

without giving him the chance to prove it?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It doesn't matter if I'm convinced or not; it's not up to me

And I think that is a move the Cubs will make. I’m not voting yea or nay on it at this point.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's more so

that they could use him as the lefty in the pen since Cotts has proved he can’t get the job done. I think Marsh deserves it but the Cubs may have no other choice.

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by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

At this point, I’d rather take Dempster out of the rotation.

(And I don’t want to do either of those things.)

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

with a little better support, he would have at least one more win. His numbers are excellent for a fifth starter.

by qccub on May 11, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

I’m disappointed by the word “salvage” in the title of this Fanpost.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 11, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd...

I can show you about 15 teams right now that would love to trade places with the Cubs; teams really in need of having their seasons “salvaged”.

This is really something of a silly post.

by Damen Jackson on May 11, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not so sure the rotation needs fixing just yet.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And we would offer these teams what exactly

in return for these players ?

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by Doggie Stalker on May 11, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Even with the injuries to the offense

I still think that the Cubs major concern is bullpen. I don’t think that Ascanio is being auditioned. I think he’s being given a chance.

With Bradley, Soriano, Fukudome, Soto, and the rest of the guys, I really think the Cubs can weather this storm as is offensively.

by jerry morales rules on May 11, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Salvage?

The Cubs have made it without Soriano the past 2 seasons for long periods of time and still made the playoffs. I think they can do the same without Rami. When the bullpen gets figured out they will be just fine.

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by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 9:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yep, fixing the 'pen is job 1

The offense is #2, though (pun intended). Soto and Fontenot need to step it up.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soto especially...

I am a little worried about LBR. He may only be a utility guy. If he can level it out and get more consistent he’ll be ok. Not sure he can though.

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by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed on Fonty

I think he was used very well last year. There are some players that don’t have the ability to play every day, but when used right, can shine. I’m concerned that he might be one of them.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think him playing the majority of 3rd has been good for him.

Again, they really didn’t have a choice and he was thrown into that role, but I am sure he hasn’t been able to settle down playing a position that he isn’t used to at the major league level. This may be nit picky but it may have some effect on him.

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by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There probably is something to that.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's pretty clear that the problem is left-handed pitching.

If only we had a right-handed 2B/3B on the roster.

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by D98 on May 11, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think

fonty’s stats are slighty inflated last year cause of his situational batting…I’m pretty sure he was only against righties…..But for now…im more concerned with Soto.

by BadDecisions on May 11, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If I had to rank it, I'm more concerned with Soto, as well

Because a platoon at 2B could be found. They don’t have an in-house option at C that’s ready yet.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Am I missing something here?

What about Koyie?

He seems to have performed quite well when he’s been given opportunities.

Since Geo hasn’t come around yet, I would think it makes sense to platoon the two of them more.. but I’m not an expert, so please correct me if I’m wrong…

by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 11, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

beat me to it

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Hill deserves more playing time

But I would be shocked (not apalled, though) if he was a significant offensive contributor playing more than 1-2 games/week.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Two games a week would be about 50 games this year.

Given Soto’s struggles, we may need that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

May need more than that -- this is the point

You can’t have a .170 hitter for 110 games, and Hill isn’t likely to be a big contributor carrying the bulk of the load.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed, but...

… what option do we have?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You silly!

That’s how this mini-thread started. Scroll up a few posts to what I wrote at 10:37 AM.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

:)

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

It’s hard to keep track sometimes!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know it....

I’m bouncing between about 4 different posts right now.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ditto

and I am also working….multi-tasking rocks

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Geovany Soto

should be given as much of an opportunity to refind his stroke as we can give him. His potential is too high not to invest in.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's the question -- how long can he be given?

My guess is that he finds it again. But it has to be soon . . . .

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not that i think you are wrong

but didnt we think the same about Jerome Walton?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

I do think Soto’s smarter than Walton — and Jerome very publicly went on the banquet circuit and got really fat.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and there was a much larger amount of time between playing

wasn’t there? Walton’s season was cut short by a strike, and when he came back several months later, he was done. This was just a standard offseason.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's true, there was the stoppage in 1990

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

there was not a short season in 1990

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/1990.shtml?redir

Cubs finished 77-85 (total 162 games)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There was a lockout in 1990.

It delayed the season a week and resulted in games being rescheduled.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didnt remember that

did the season start earlier or later than this season?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A little bit later.

It was supposed to start on April 2, but instead got pushed back to April 9.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

alright

I thought it was a longer period of time. I guess it’s not all that relevant, then.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Slight differences...

Soto had a better rookie year than Soto as a hitter irrespective of positions, and Soto plays less of a hitter’s position (increasing the value of his added offense).

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's say your friend is offering you 10-1 odds on a coin flip.

And you pick heads and it comes up tails. Should the lesson you learn from that be that you shouldn’t bet again?

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just who would we give up for Lee/DeRosa or Atkins

i think we’re seeing that Cliff Lee wasnt all he was cracked up to be last year, so do you give up our best prospect for him and a guy we just traded a few months ago?

If its Atkins, who plays where when Derrek and Aramis return?

This couldve been avoided by retaining DeRosa and signing Juan Cruz

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 11, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Everyone is talking about Dero...

but i remember looking at his stats last week….and they really werent that impressive

by BadDecisions on May 11, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well he is in a new league

Well readjusting would be more accurate I suppose, but clearly he felt comfortable here, as he had 2 of his best seasons.

Juan Cruz seemed to be a no brainer to me, our 1st round picks havent been to impressive anyway, so no big loss

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 11, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Devil's advocate

Wouldn’t Cliff Lee benefit from being a pitcher in a different league?

(Note: I don’t think that’s the answer — but if you’re going to dismiss Lee and advocate DeRo, then explain DeRo’s struggles by being a hitter in a different league, it’s something to think about)

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Lee's 08 was an aberration

Regardless of league, but I suppose you could expect a small uptick if he moved to the NL. DeRosa proved he could succeed in the NL, but if they somehow traded back for him, well that would be just an indictment on Hendrys entire offseason M.O.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 11, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Completely agree

DeRo’s not coming back to the Cubs as an active player any time soon.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

can we please stop all of the bring back DeRo talk? Don’ t get me wrong I love the guy and wouldn’t mind it but what’s done is done he is an Indian now

Derrick Rose-2009 ROTY Tyrus Thomas-2009 MIP...hope I'm at least half right

by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on May 12, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cliff Lee

has actually pitched pretty well this year. His first two starts of the year were not good, but he has been excellent since. In his last five starts, he has pitched a total of 37 innings, giving up only 7 earned runs and has all of one win to show for it. He got beat by Verlander the other night even though he went 8 innings giving up only 1 earned run. I would take him in a heartbeat but it isn’t going to happen. What’s to salvage of this season? Still a long way to go and all things considered, I think they are hanging in there pretty well.

by qccub on May 11, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, perhaps that was a bit harsh

but its an outlier so far in his statistical career

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 11, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But he is still an excellent pitcher

Probably worth over 4.5 wins a season.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 13, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Salvage?

Too early to talk like that.

Trades are probably 3-4 weeks away. Guess that taking a look at some teams’ attendance may start to reveal something by around Memorial Day. Teams way down in the standings and at the gate with some significant dollars to be paid to some players may want to pull the trade-trigger a little earlier than normal.

But we’re not to the half-way point yet in May. It’s still too early.

As for who the Cubs would give up, we’d first have to ask how long the current “window” may be open. If the answer is only 1-2 years, then no one is off-limits.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 11, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Money

Remember the Cubs do have an estimated $7-8M in the budget reserve and with the expected sale Ricketts could offer another $5-8M as a welcoming present to the fans.

Ivy, you have no godly idea how much remains in the budget or what kind of welcoming present Ricketts will offer. The man is financing this deal up to his ears and is spending overall about $900M. His welcoming present may be an edict to slash $20M off the budget. I don’t see that happening, but it could. So stop speaking as though the money will undoubtedly continue to flow. The economy sucks and the Cubs owe a few players a lot of money.

by dmlichte on May 11, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he's that far off base

The $7-8M number is close given the same assumptions thrown abound for several months previously.

The $5-8M is Ivy’s assumption that Ricketts could offer up.

While I too don’t think Ricketts first offering will be a $20M slash in payroll, I do believe he would OK a slight move up – along the lines of Ivy’s assumption – but no where near evil empire levels.

The Cubs are doing fairly well in attendance thus far.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 11, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think the Cubs sale will be done...

… before the end of the season. What Ricketts does or doesn’t do is irrelevant to 2009.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unless he has to provide

a “go” or “no-go” for some NWT deadline deal.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 11, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ya... it was the assumption

but only an assumption. We have no idea and the fact is that when these assumptions were thrown around, no one was addressing the fact that Hendry had to cut in certain areas just to afford the players he wanted to add.

I just think that Ivy has been spouting off on how the Cubs are going to have all this money to add players once teams start falling out of contention, and it is totally baseless. Hendry going into salary cut mode this offseason should be an indication that the Cubs don’t necessarily have the money to add a key player. They might, but there is ample reason to believe that they won’t.

by dmlichte on May 11, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

of the $7-8M number

how much of that is pre Vizcaino and Gaudin DFA? Is it possible that number is less now due to eating contrats?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It would be basically the same...

those guys were on the roster (and payroll) when the estimates were made, and they’re still on the payroll now. The Cubs were eating the contracts either way, whether the players were contributing to the roster or not.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of Vizcaino...

…it looks like the Indians can’t decide whether to pick him up or not. (And, no, I’m not going to be suckered into posting another Fanshot on this.)

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on May 11, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

talk about a team needing salvage!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

This is classic Ivy Walls

I didn't get the players I wanted in the offseason!! Hopefully I get what I want in the Regular Season---The World Series Trophy!! Go Cubbies!!

by cubsluver22 on May 11, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Yes, yes it is.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Weird post.

Agreed with dmlichte that you have no clue what sort of “welcoming present” (whatever that means) will be given. It’s kind of silly to operate under the assumption that the Cubs are just going to add 12-16M in payroll in the next month.

That said, DeRosa isn’t coming back. We’ve got a nice little collection of versatile players (Freel, Fontenot, Scales) that can play multiple positions. No need for DeRo.

The bullpen is the biggest area of concern for me. Not much can be done at this point other than a “change of scenery” trade where we swap a crappy reliever for another, hoping that the new home will benefit the new guy. Bidding adieu to Cotts and Patton is something I’d look to do TODAY if I’m Jim Hendry.

by kanderber on May 11, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Welcoming Present?

How about we finish the sale of the team this year first.

Looking way tooooo ahead in this post. Let’s talk about this at the end of May.

by ak123 on May 11, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Cliff Lee and Derosa?!!!!!!!!

We don’t have anyone to give the indians for lee and derosa. We’ve already got a weak farm system

by cubsmania on May 11, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Indians are 11-21

I’m not saying their season is over, but they’ll probably start looking to dump salary in a month or so.

DeRosa could probably be had for a song.

by dr stabbingworth on May 11, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Remember how the Cubs

traded 3 young (minor league) pitchers for 1 year of Juan Pierre?

You know, the Indians did the same for Mark DeRosa. It will be interesting to see how the pitchers the Cubs received develop.

In light of the total flop the Indians have been this year (comparable to the total dud the Cubs laid in 2006), it will be interesting to see how that deal is viewed in a couple of years.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heard on the Radio this weekend

That all 3 pitchers they got for DeRo are having really good seasons so far. We may not see the payoff for this trade other than maybe Stevens at some point but it all sounds positive

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stevens has not allowed a run, earned or otherwise, in 14 innings to start the season

at Class AAA Iowa.

11 games, 14 innings, 4 hits, 13 K, 7 BB

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm. 7 BB in 14 IP

Maybe that’s why they didn’t call him up instead. Could be they figure he needs to refine that a bit.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's not getting the Maddux/Glavine strikes called???

i keed

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, the ol' 25" wide plate . . . those were the days

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That could be a reason

Here’s another Stevens’ stat: LHBs are hitting .000 off of him. They’re 0-for-11, with 4 walks (1 intentional).

Though I agree, those walks could be holding him back. It is nice to see that he’s effective against lefties as well.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on May 11, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm encouraged by all 3 so far

But yeah, I think Hendry might be afraid Piniella would stroke out if Stevens came up and started walking people.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed.

While having good, young arms in Iowa is a bonus, they’d better be able to control their emotions from the get-go, because the one thing this bullpen already has a problem with is walks. And I can’t imagine Lou is going to have much patience for Ascanio, Stevens or whomever else comes up if they’re walking batters.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on May 11, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chris Archer at Class A Peoria is a starter

6 starts, 23 IP, 1.17 ERA, 26 K, 15 BB, 10 H

He has hit 3 batters, 1 WP

Control issues?

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

At the time of the trade

Archer was the furthest away but also the biggest upside. The H/IP and K/IP shows a lot of promise if the control comes.

by rlpete on May 11, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

John Gaub at Class AA Tennessee is a middle-man

7 appearances, 8.1 IP, 2.25 ERA, 15 K, 4 BB, 5 H, 0 HR

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for posting those...

Lots of potential there. Archer seems a little wild but lots of k’s.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I recall watching a tall 22-year-old named Randy Johnson pitching wildly in 1986

while with the West Palm Beach Expos. He was fun to watch.

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lee has a club ioption for 2010...

at $9 Million. The link will show $8M, but he had a $1M escalator clause for the Cy Young win.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2543171

At that price, wouldn’t they have to be blown away to trade him???

by bison on May 11, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

We dont have what it takes to make any big trade this year

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 11, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think it's quite so cut and dry as that.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would like to point out that Mark Shapiro (Tribe GM)

is a pretty shrewd trader. We’re not talking about a fleecing Dave Littlefield situation here.

The Indians have been built on the trades Shapiro has made. If any tribe players are traded, I expect them to at least get fair value.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed...

Shapiro knows how to work with a tight budget. He’s not going to give away two players for nothing.

Even if he does wind up trading both Lee and DeRosa, I’ll be surrpised if he traded them to the same team.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I really don't think our trade target partners are going to be the Indians.

Mark DeRosa is not coming back.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would like to say that:

1. Derosa isn’t coming back. It’s like trying to date an X girlfriend ( pretty hard to do and it usually never ends well). He had career years with us. We sold him high ( for once), and got a little bit of talent.

2. Dero/Fonty have similar offensive numbers. Give fonty more time. The reason he is hitting around .230 is not the main reason of our offensive woes.

3. Cliff Lee had 1 good year. It would be a poor investment to get him now. I have speculation that Greinke will end up like Lee. Win the Cy this year, suck next year.

4. After the bullpen our main issues i beleive are 1B and C.

by BadDecisions on May 11, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

50/50 ain't bad.

I agree on 1/2, somewhat. There are concerns over Fontenot holding up over a full season. I couldn’t detect a usage pattern last year that showed Lou protecting Mike, but others believed it was there.

3/4 I disagree – Zach Greinke is a very good pitcher. He was awesome before his panic attacks hit and now he’s finally over that. He is not to be compared to Cliff Lee.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

well lets give Greinke some time then…I hope he does do well though. Its fun watching him pitch.

by BadDecisions on May 11, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Number 3 is incorrect.

Cliff Lee is 77-44 for his career (pretty good). His career ERA is 4.12

He won 18 games in 2005 and 14 games in 2004 and 2006.

It’s more likely (at this point) that 2007 was an abberation and 2008 was a career year.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's barerly above a career average pitcher.

His career OPS+ is 107. He doesn’t strike out a lot of guys – 6.7 per 9. His WHIP doesn’t look brilliant – 1.321. This is the exact reason wins are sooooo overrated when evaluating a pitcher. Don’t get me wrong, Lee is a solid #2 and can be a crappy #1, but he is NOT a Cy Young pitcher…he’s a guy that won the award off an outlier of a season.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Correction: career ERA+ of 107.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not saying he's a number 1 pitcher.

I was just pointing out he has had more than 1 good year.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A #2 starter is still immensely valuable

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 12, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cliff Lee

Even if he doesn’t pitch as well as last year, is still a well above average starter. I doubt that the Cubs have the prospects to be able to get him.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 12, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was lights out his last few starts leading

into last night (haven’t looked up last nights result). He’s had no run support but a sub 2.0 era for the last 3 or 4 (can’t remember).

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 12, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If DeRosa were still playing for the Cubs

and hitting .238 / .301 / .431, as he is with Cleveland, would we be having a “trade him” conversation or embracing him because he’s a super-utility guy who is making $5.5M?

Freel can play that role now. The Cubs are essentially paying $800K—Joey Gathright’s salary—for Freel. The Orioles are paying Freel’s 2009 salary ($4M) and Cubs are paying Joey Gathright’s 2009 salary.

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

true

if he were here with those numbers, people would want to lynch him for being overpaid and not producing

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

All said about DeRo's #s

He is having to readjust to the AL and hitting now in a much less friendly park.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right.

DeRosa’s still a better player than Freel.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's another number

.266 BABIP. His numbers should go up a lot. His ISO is only a couple of points worse than it was last year.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 12, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

No, it is

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 11, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alright.

You convinced me.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont exactly see teams beating down the door to get their hands on Tony Thomas

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 11, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yet.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha, lets hope so

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 11, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I quit reading when I realized this post is about "salvaging" a season that is 30 games young.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Let me throw my wishlist name into this thread, too.

The Angels don’t have room to play both Brandon Wood and Maicer Izturis. I’d be very glad to get either of them. They could play 3B now and move over to SS eventually. The price would be very high for Wood and perhaps too high for Maicer, too. But the nice thing about those players are:
1) They are cost controlled.
2) They can play a good 3B now and help us at middle IF when Aramis gets back.
3) They would fill a gap on this roster even with everyone healthy.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think the Angels would be good trading partners...

They are historically stingy with their prospects. They’ve had a logjam of infield prospects/players for years, and they really haven’t moved any of them. They aren’t likely to move either Izturis or Wood (even though I agree that they should have already moved somebody. And if they do move them, I doubt it’ll be any time soon.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's realistic.

That’s why I’m only calling this a wishlist. Still, I hope Jim is talking to them in case they really like someone in our system.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And why o' why do you presume that Hendry can add to his already massively bloated $140 million payroll???

And who pray tell is Hendry going to trade away to entice any of these teams to hand over vital talent? Are you prepared to dangle Josh Vitters?

by BLou on May 11, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He can't and he won't. As Al has stated, deals are not usually made at this

point in the season. Sure, you can bring up a few, but they usually involve a player in a walk year that the team has no intention of signing. The team getting the potential FA is usually fleeced to the point that it takes years for their farm system to recover.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 11, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The two guys I named are making 400 K and 1.6 M.

I don’t think Maicer Izturis will cost Josh Vitters.

Wood might, though; and he might be worth it, too.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chone Figgins is a FA at the end of the year

so I’m not sure it would make sense for the Angels to trade either of those players unless they were getting a decent starting pitcher or bullpen help immediately. The Cubs have neither of those to trade and wouldn’t do so if they did.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There are a lot of 3B options

going on the free agent market this off-season. I could see the Angels taking Beltre.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But the Cubs don't have what the Angels would want in return for a trade.

The Angels want starting pitching or bullpen help for this year.

Actually, no one has (or is willing to trade) what the Angels would want in return.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who knows what the Halos want in a trade?

Again, this is a wishlist.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well..

If you continue to want something from the Angels then be prepared to offer up something like Rich Harden, Sean Marshall or Carlos Marmol in return. Arte Moreno and Mike Scioscia are in a win now mode and aren’t afraid of spending money. The ONLY way they trade away something valuable is if they get top ready to go pitching in return.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't like the chances of the Cubs to make the playoffs

Simply put, there are too many holes and too much wrong with this team to go along with a NL Central that is solidly competitive. Even ignoring the injury to Ramirez, the infield is a mess. Soto is seriously screwed up. Dempster stole $54 million and looks to me like a .500 type pitcher who will eternally struggle to keep his ERA under 4.75. The bullpen is an unmitgated disaster. And there are no solid prospects on the cusp of being ready in the minors.

It spells an 85 win season and maybe as bad as 4th place in the NL Central.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

There you have it folks. Today's gloom and

doom forcast from BLou. Right on time and negative as per usual.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 11, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is the

most depressing person I’ve ever seen. I feel sorry for his family.

by sue369 on May 11, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

have we figured out why he isn't a Cards fan yet

He seems to love them

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on May 11, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, he should just learn to turn off his brain

like the rest of us and see how great the Cubs are in EVERY way.

Soto isn’t REALLY a mess…he’s just pretending to have no clue how to hit to throw the other teams off.

Injuries? What injuries? With Ryan Freel in the house we’ll never even know A-Ramis gone.

There. My “Happy Cubbie Lobotomy” is working out just fine.

by bluekoolaide on May 11, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And as we also know;

Any reference to another team’s talent automatically means you have to stop cheering for the Cubs and start cheering for them.

by bluekoolaide on May 11, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In "Maddie's" defense

She’s not afraid to bring up shortcomings on the team. There are a few people who will blast anyone for saying anything at all negative, but she’s not really one of them.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nobody's saying anything

even close to what you’re suggesting.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ouch

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 12, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Little early in the season to give up, don't you think?

I recall things looking pretty grim in 2007 and the team ended up getting their act together and won the division. They did that by making quite a few roster changes. Let’s just wait to see what happens before we declare the season a disaster.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Over .500! I'll take it!!

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

cloudy

with a chance of hellfire and brimstone.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and I didn't even read it all

85 wins only means 4th in this division? Surely you jest!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There will not be four teams in the NL Central with 85 wins this year

and I think the Cubs will win more than 85 games this year.

As usual, you’re overly pessimistic.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whatever

I’ve been a diehard since 1977 and am entitled therefore to an opinion. This Cub team is a mess, despite proclamations to the contrary that state we are only one game off of last year’s pace. 2008 was the year of many productive seasons and few injuries by members of the roster. It no longer is working that way. A core player in Geovany Soto is an unmitigated mess, for whatever reason (I increasingly suspect he now can be classified an ex-juicer). Ramirez is the most vital hitter in the lineup and is gone for a minimum of 2 months. Lee is in career nosedive and it can be logically argued a liability on this roster given his contract and current production ability. The pitching? Well, Dempster looks a lot closer to being a starter who will struggle to keep his ERA under 5.00 for the next four years versus the career year guy he was last year. The bullpen? It gets bleaker by the week in many respects. God save the Queen if Gregg isn’t able to rise to the ocassion.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why do you think Soto juiced?

There was testing last year. Wouldn’t he have gotten caught?

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why wasn't Manny caught last year???

What we know is that the juicers were always a step ahead in their regiments. Well, the testers are getting better at tripping up those regiments, hence the Manny thing last week. I think it is definitely plausible to think Soto was on steroids previously and abandoned the juice this year for fear of being caught up in MLB’s dragnet.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, this is farther than you went yesterday

And is stretching the bounds of reasonableness

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoops -- sorry, Fishbone

Was meant for BLou

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

(I increasingly suspect he now can be classified an ex-juicer)

I increasingly suspect you beat your wife — and I have just as much evidence for that as you do for suspecting Soto.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's uncalled for

In the same way people shouldn’t mock your public display of your son feebly attempting to hit a baseball.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have just as much proof

of wrongdoing as you do, and yet you continue to insist on posting what is, at best, a supposition, and at worst, an outright attempt to smear Geo Soto’s name.

The difference is, I’m using mine as an example of why yours is bad in an attempt to help you recognize what you’re doing wrong.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are welcome to talk with my wife of 17 years on this subject

by BLou on May 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and you are welcome to talk to Geo Soto on this subject

Until then, shut the hell up about it.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by sue369 on May 11, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Clearly, you missed the point...

you’re making baseless speculation with minimal (at best) evidence, just like drewishdrewid.

The difference is that I’m pretty sure drewishdrewid isn’t serious, while you apparently are serious.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Try no evidence. Anyone can throw baseless accusations around. What about

Jimmy Rollins? Mark Teixeara? Lance Berkman? B.J. Upton? All of them are below the mendoza line, too? Is that now the criteria for a steroid user?

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 11, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if you're too good,

you might be a PED user.

If you’re not good enough, you might be a PED user.
If you’re someone he doesn’t like, you might be a PED user.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you used to stink, but now

you are good, you might be a PED user.
If you you used to be good, but now you stink, you might be a PED user. Everyone might be a PED user!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 11, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but don't worry

because why would you worry if you have nothing to fear, Citizen? DO you have something to fear, Citizen?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You've been watching to many movies, Drew.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

heh

perhaps. Perhaps not. The Wisconsin courts just passed a law that says that it’s legal for the cops to put a GPS on your car and track your movements without a warrant, because the driveway is a public space.

On the other hand, if the driveway is a public space, shouldn’t they be paying to re-asphalt it?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, since they do it with taxpayer dollars,

you’d just end up paying twice as much for shoddy work.

Much better just to pay for it yourself up front.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or you just might be a redneck

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As I said...

overly pessimistic.

I agree that this year’s team is not as good as last year’s team. But it doesn’t have to be to make the playoffs. We’re on pace to win 89 games right now despite a LOT of injuries and despite all of the problems you’ve noted. 89 wins would probably win the division.

And you seem to be pessimistically assuming that we won’t get more out of Bradley, Soto, Lee, Dempster, Zambrano, Harden, Marmol, and anyone else in the bullpen. That’s overly pessimistic.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this ain't 1977, BL

and Manny Trillo ain’t coming up to bat against Steve Carlton in the next series, so enough with your hearts and flowers

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on May 12, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm probably against the consensus here but I want a tight race to the end

I was bored the last week of last season. I found myself actually cheering for the Brewers the last weekend. I sat with thousands watching the Mets-Marlins game on the big screen at Miller Park.

I was excited for them when they clinched the wild card on the final day. And I hate the Brewers!

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's look at this

1) “NL Central that is solidly competitive” Reds are off to a good start, not sure if that will continue. Let us say it does. Couple them with the Cards and the Brewers and you have some solid teams in the Central-Jury still out
2)“the infield is a mess” Yes when you have a 2b starting at 3b and you have Miles anywhere in your starting line up in the IF i consider that a mess. Lee not hitting yet, I would think he will soon, but when? True
3)“Soto is seriously screwed up” I guess you can say that about anyone hitting a buck seventy. Currently true statement.
4) Dempster a .500 pitcher lucky to keep his ERA under 4.75—Jury still out. Dempster took plenty of heat on this site when he was the closer. In fact a number of these posters called him Dumpster. Prior to last season not too many here thought he would succeed as a starter. I say he ends up doing well, mind you not as good as last year.

5)“The bullpen is an unmitgated disaster”-Not quite. Disaster too strong of a word. But i see hope that a Guzman will come around and shine. You have a Marmol along with Gregg who has not been a disaster. Some changes are needed that is for sure.

6)-“no solid prospects on the cusp” I don’t see anyone coming up and taking the world by storm. I would say true.

Overall Blou is not really that far off the beaten trail. I don’t agree that it is doom and gloom. But honestly folks if they keep playing like they have been, it can very well turn out to be a long season. I know, someone will come back and say "hey they are 17-14. Big wow. Who are they beating up on? Let us see what this team does against the good teams in the NL. Maybe at time we will be able to better judge them.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Newsflash

To repeat, the 29 other major league ballclubs do not exist for the pleasure of trading away to the Cubs top shelf talent for the equivalent of a bag of magic beans.

EVERY year it is the same thing. The Trader Joes show up insisting that this team or that team is on the verge of financial catastrophe and will gladly trade us key pieces for nothing. As if we the Cubs will actually be doing them a favor.

It doesn’t work that way. And with Hendry already plagued by a very bloated salary picture with bad contracts aplenty, it is him that might actually be doing the selling at some point.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

This is a point, finally, worth talking about.

Could this season be one where the Cubs go into sell-mode? Who would order that, though? If we’re assuming the new owner doesn’t come in this season, why would the current owners encourage a sell-off move? Plus, who would we sell off? Kosuke? Not the NTC gang. Ted Lilly?

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was

predicting that we’d trade Ted Lilly in the off-season. I figure that if we DO end up tanking, sell mode would start during the offseason.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How far out of the race would a team like the Cubs

need to be to raise the white flag?

With the wild card, only the very worst teams are out of it right now and the overwhelming majority of teams have a chance to make the playoffs in the middle of summer. That makes it hard for teams to sell off players and give up on the season.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't the white flag the W flag?

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

HA!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

90 losses

maybe? That would be what, 73 wins? That’s probably out of WC range.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would be the final record,

but at what point would a team declare the post season out of reach? How far back do you think they would need to be out of the race?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

mathmatical elimination.

you strive to win with the team you have till it’s impossible to get to the post season.

Now, I think this team contends, and makes it to the post.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

to finish 73-90

we have to play a tie breaker

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry

couldn’t remember if there were 162 games or 163 games in a season.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats okay

one time I posted that there were 32 teams in the ML. Damn that booze.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

which is why I don’t see us going into sell mode unless another shoe or pair of shoes drop AND we fall far out of this. And even then, who do we trade? We’re not going into a rebuild mode.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The sad

thing is if the Cubs were selling, I am not so sure they have anything anyone would want. Maybe a few of the players. Some of these contracts are so far out there, either they eat a bunch of $ or get next to nothing anyway

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with one point

too many posters think that since we’re the Cubs everyone wants to trade us what we need.

BUT, every GM in both leagues knows what has happened to the Cubs. Anyone that wants to shed their dead weight is probably calling Hendry right now (or already has) to see if he wants to give away talent for nothin’. In these calls may be one deal worth doing, but not many. I agree, it’s too early for much to happen.

As much as I wold like DeRo back, I think the Scales/Freel/Wells experiment will go on a few weeks. Cotts new position will probably be “Left Out” when Z comes off the disabled list.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on May 11, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think anyone thinks that the other teams are the Cubs' candyjar;

I think people just like speculating on trades, because, you know, they do happen.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But generally, not in mid-May.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Although the Eckersley-Buckner trade was in May, IIRC.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

May 25, 1984

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And 25 years ago, and...

… done mainly to get Buckner off the team, since he didn’t have a position.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but the speculation starts this early.

:)

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think fantasy baseball contributes

to these crazy trade proposals by fans.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

+1

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely true.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+2

by doofus cubs guy on May 11, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And the 24-hour news cycle

which may be responsible for the downfall of democracy (as long as we’re dooming and glooming, might as well go whole hog).

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

True but at the same time...

How often does a team built to win lose it’s best player, possibly for the whole season, in May?

Just because it doesn’t happen often doesn’t mean it can’t happen in this situation.

by kanderber on May 11, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Yankees lost A-Rod before that.

The Dodgers lost Manny in May.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 11, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 12, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hendry is dancing a tightrope

If this 2009 Cub team disappoints and with the payroll already bloated at $140 millions, odds may be good that Tom Ricketts axes Jim Hendry. We don’t know the operating style of Ricketts, but I’m hoping he comes in here like Rocky Wirtz and takes a buzzsaw to old ways of doing things.

Hendry SHOULD be accountable for a farm system that remains putrid for one of the largest payrolls in baseball not getting the job done. And for the love of God if it does come down to Ricketts axing Hendry, then I hope he has the decency to ashcan Oneri Fleita as well.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, the farm system DID product the rookie of the year in 2008.

You seem determined to declare the season a disaster. Why not try a novel approach, wait and see what happens?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A rookie of the year that is playing like an ex-juicer right now

by BLou on May 11, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know,

Things do not always turn out for the worse case scenario. Your posts suggest that is your outlook on the Cubs.

I find that pretty sad and hope that at some point, you can find the joy that the game of baseball brings to so many people. Watching baseball is supposed to be fun. If it only brings your misery, like your posts suggest, I find that sad.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

some people aren't happy unless they are raining on other peoples parade

Obviously he can find a dark cloud in any scenio. Cubs would win WS and would fan post on why they won’t the following year

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on May 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't that the truth!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soto

Fontenot
Marshall
Z

Murton and EPatt got us Harden.

The minor league system isn’t great right now, but it’s not in the utter dumps you pretend it is.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong...as usual

Josh Donaldson is the chip that got Rich Harden. Murton and EPatt were filler.

Fontenot is late blooming (29 years old) career journeyman out of the Baltimore organization.

The minor league system right now is bereft of blue chip talent with possible exception of Josh Vitters, and right now he sits all the way down in Low-A ball.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know you like to disagree with Drew, but

go easy on doctoring the facts. Murton and Epat were viewed as good enough to play in the majors for a rebuilding or small market team and were cost controlled. Donaldson was the gem, but the other two were expected to fill current needs of the A’s.

As for your definition of journeyman, since when does getting drafted by one organization and methodically working your way up from rookie ball, being traded once as a minor league player and making the majors at 27 qualify for journeyman status.

Fontenot is not Lenny Harris, Neifi, Eckstein, Bonilla, or Hollandsworth.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 11, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did everyone forget Sean Gallagher ?

That trade was about Vitters and Gallagher. I firmly believe Murton and to a lesser degree E-Pat where put in because it was clear Lou was NEVER going to use them and Hendry has a reputation for trying to help players move on if they are not going to be played. Keep in mind at the time of the trade everyone also thought Gaudin was a very nice addition.

The minor league system DID get us Harden but the keys were Vitters and Gallagher ( who is back up with thte A’s)

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 11, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Vitters is still with the Cubs

Playing in single A Peoria.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Donaldson and Gallagher... not Vitters.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I did forget Gallagher and you're right.

Donaldson and Gallagher.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 11, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My bad

Typing without thinking. Yes I did mean Donaldson not Vitters.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 11, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not Fontenot

your favorite sparkplug, Riot.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No... it's pretty much a dump

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 12, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think after this

past off season, you are correct, Hendry if not already will soon be on the downs. I used to be a big fan, but this off season he has just taken so many steps backwards it is not funny.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow....3 games above .500 and we're in salvage-the-season mode already?

above .500 on the road, too

Home: 8-6 .571
Road: 9-8 .529

The Cubs should do well in this week’s homestand against the lowly Pads and Stros.

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Via Twittermeyer

Lee’s MRI reveals nothing we don’t already know. Could play Tues or Wed.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good news!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it?

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

I feel a whole lot better going with the Micah Hoffpauir experiment then I do Derrek Lee.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

On a positive note, it's nice not reading you

trashing Soriano on a daily basis this year.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soto's his new whipping boy

Sori is doing to well for him to rip on him. Give him time :)

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on May 11, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

With all due

respects, Soto should be. Nothing wrong with jumping on a MLB player that is not hitting his weight.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

certainly

but jumping on him to scream about PED abuse is different.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

For that reason

I will not become a member of the Blou fan club. That is wrong.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know, I have a big issue when people just throw names out

and make serious accusations.

This is no different than declaring that John Doe is a murderer.

So what? There’s no facts in either statement, just speculation.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope you don't

think I condone that. I agree with you.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know, just had to get that off my chest.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good

to see that cows do remain cool

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except if it were Prince Fielder, Ted Williams mark might be in jeopordy.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 11, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no one complains when

HE misses hitting his weight by ten points.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, now that The Riot has 1 more grand slam than Prince,

we could start speculating about that.

I’m just saying….
(wink, wink)

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry if I don't buy into your "all is peachy keen with the Cubs right now" philosophy

I don’t embrace the Luvable Loser strategy of excuse making. I look at this ballclub that is built to win now and with one of the largest payrolls in baseball to conclude being A) disappointed and B) acutely concerned for the rest of the season.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who's losing?

Last time I checked, the Cubs had a winning record.

Of course, from reading your posts, you’d never know that fact!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right - only 2.5 games out of the division race in spite of everything...

Despite the world caving in around us, we’re 2.5 games out.

I’ve been saying all along that I don’t think we should expect to be as good as last year’s team. But I also don’t think we’ll need to be as good as last year’s team to win the division. And I also think we’ll play better than we have thus far, because several players have played below their capabilities to this point and I think they’ll play better.

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There you

go again. Big stinking deal. What are they 17-14. Who have they beaten? Really the mighty Astro’s. I am awaiting to see this team win against solid teams. Time will tell, but as of right now I do not think this team will measure up against the better ones.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we're .500

with the Cardinals.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I always thought the way to win (over the course of a long season) was

to split with the good teams and beat up on the bad teams.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds

like a good recipe. Don’t get me wrong, but I believe as fans we will certainly see how this team stacks up against the better ones. Currently I admit I am not sure they will. But that is easy to say when you have your star 3b on the dl, your catcher sucking air, your fb not off to a good start along with a nagging injury. One of your better starters out for a couple starts. A bullpen that quite frankly scares the heck out of me. Shall I continue?

If all the above is reversed I would feel a lot better about this team. I am holding out hope that things will change and they will play up to their career norms.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 11, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly, by using sarcasm

to note you’ve picked a new target of derision and invented smears, I, by myself, propogate the lovable loser mantra and am giddy about how things have gone this year.

We are all aware that you, and you alone, are the keeper of the eternal flame of realism while the rest of us accept whatever product is thrown on the field and never ever note a concern.

You hammer the same nails on power pitching, fundamentals and injury history when trashing your targets, but ignore the same arguments when touting your man crushes in Harden and Hoffpauir.

All is not well with this team right now. Having to rely upon Harden in the rotation is not a positive. He’s supposed to be the luxury. With Soto, Bradley & Lee struggling, losing Aramis is a crushing blow and beyond Marmol & Gregg, the bullpen is a black hole.

All said, the season’s a month old and the team is over .500 and 2.5 games back. You need to differentiate between being concerned with the rest of the season and jumping ship.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 11, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Things could be worse,

we could be Indian fans!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

or Padre Fans, or Baltimore fans, or...

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 11, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Expos/Nationals are so bad we forget they're a MLB team

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on May 11, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I question that

and so do their fans, judging by their attendance.

Very sad to see an empty brand new stadium. What a total waste of tax dollars.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or best of all YANKEE FANS

God I love reading the New York sports pages these days.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 11, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just as last year...

… all the so-called experts conceded the NL pennant to the Mets before a single game was played, those conceding the AL to the Yankees this year failed to take into account the Yankees’ lack of pitching beyond CC and AJ (except maybe Pettitte) and their horrendous bullpen.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've been blistering in my critique of Micah Hoffpauir

So far at least, he is proving me wrong.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My thoughts exactly.

Glad to see that he’s not hurt, but Hoffpauir is such a better option than Lee right now.

by kanderber on May 11, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know if I agree with that

but I have no problem with Hoffpauir playing while Lee works to get healthy, for however long that takes, and then seeing how a mixed platoon goes.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It seemed like D-Lee

had been getting his stroke back when he came down with the stiff neck again.

I think with proper rest, D-Lee will be just fine for the rest of the season and Micah’s ability to produce is the key to Lee getting that rest.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hoff has a 250-ish point advantage in OPS

I think it’s pretty safe to say that he’s a better option right now, based on that alone.

by kanderber on May 11, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is an honest

but stupid question. Now im not sure about the splits on Dlee…but has there ever been a 1B platoon system. The only reason why i say this is because I would like to see more of Mike Power at the plate.

by BadDecisions on May 11, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

There have probably been platoons at every position other than C and P. There have certainly been platoon 1B. I think the Cubs did it with Karros and Simon late in 2003.

The problem with the platoon idea is that Lee is the RH part of the platoon. This would mean that he’d get about 1/3 of the games played. Now, if Lee is healthy, he’s probably better than Hoffpauir. So if that were the case, the platoon would make us worse. If Lee is not healthy, then he shouldn’t be playing at all. In that case, I’d recommend a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon (definitely not great, but would be functional).

by SouthernCub on May 11, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cool cool

thx. Maybe I’m wrong…I may be on the hate bandwagon.. But I think there is no doubt Dlee is in the decline…Maybe I wouldnt feel so jaded if he wasnt hitting in the 3-hole. When you are in that position…Theriot should not have as many HR’s and RBI’s as Lee.

by BadDecisions on May 11, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is good news.

Thanks Drew.

by sue369 on May 11, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good news for the day off.....thx

New sig currently under construction

by JB 23 on May 11, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We have a nice record right now, but

there is cause for concern. The bullpen is still a joke, and that situation isn’t going to be resolved anytime soon. The starting pitching has been solid, with the exception of Ryan Dempster who isn’t performing like a $52 million pitcher.

I’m concerned with the offense. Long term losing Aramis, is going to be lethal. Can’t replace his production with Ryan Freel and Bobby Scales. Even with Milton Bradley stepping up and Fukudome proving me wrong, Aramis’ bat will be missed.

Derrek Lee looks more and more useless, I just don’t know if he has it anymore, fortunately he can platoon with Hoffpauir.

Geovany Soto is my main concern for this season. I don’t know if its steroids (I doubt it) or something else, but Soto is in full Andruw Jones fatass mode. He has replaced Lee has the team’s DP threat, and when he isn’t grounding into rally killing double plays, he is striking out. The only way he can drive in runs is by getting a bases loaded walk, which is nice, but not as nice as an occasional double or homer. We were so good in 2008 because Soto was such a stud. I think it got in his head and that along with a few too many late night trips to McDonalds have made him fat and useless. Don’t discount the loss of Henry Blanco either. He mentored Geo last season, and the loss of his mentor may play a factor here. If Geo doesn’t pick it up quick, this team has no chance of somewhat replacing Aramis’ production for the two months he’s gone.

We have a nice record, but without Aramis that record can turn bad real quick.

Hey the Cubs are good again! This will be a good test of a sig jinx.

by nji232 on May 11, 2009 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I am willing to give Dempster a pass right now.

I think he has some bigger issues than pitching to deal with right now. Bruce Levine was reporting on Am1000 that this year has been tough on the Dempsters. Apparently their newborn has been having some very serious health issues to deal with. Levine went on to say that Dempster usually pitches his game then leaves goes home to take care of his family issue then comes back to the team a day or two later to catch his pen session and then prepare to start again. Not sure totally sure what is going on but my prayers go out to the Dempster family.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Demp's new baby daughter

has been in the ICU since she was born. She isn’t able to swallow and I heard from people on here that last week things got worse. I really hope they can help his daughter to get better.

by sue369 on May 11, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the clarification Sue.

Pretty tough situation. No matter what job you do how could you not have your mind on your family.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

by sue369 on May 11, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's awful.

I guess the question should be how is it pitching so well?

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 11, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I’m not disputing your report, but I will tell you that I have seen Ryan Dempster twice at Blackhawks games in recent weeks. He was sitting in the suite 6 rows directly up from us during one of the Calgary games.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so?

is that more evidence for him doing PEDs?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what?

Sometimes grim situations like his call for a need to get away for a few hours. Do not condemn someone if you haven’t been in their situation.

by sue369 on May 11, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Very sad to hear this.

I had no idea it was going on. I haven’t given up on Demp this year. He obviously hasn’t been anywhere near as dominant as last season, but he seems on the brink of pitching like a fairly consistent middle-of-the-rotation starter. He had a really nice start going on Saturday until those back-to-back home runs.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 11, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lou probably left him in an inning to long...

but since he doesn’t trust his pen he put him back out there.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 11, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How does a Soto with a great work ethic and commitment to craft in 2008 turn into a fat ass in 2009?

THAT is the point that does not compute on any level. And hence one of the things that leads to my aforementioned growing suspicion.

by BLou on May 11, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What's with all of the name calling?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe he got vegetarian diet tips

from Prince Fielder

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And yet you ignore the valid point he's making...

Why has our hard working, future team captain apparently turned fat and lazy (according to the excuses a lot of people are making for his abysmal season so far)?

by bluekoolaide on May 11, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I take it you have not

read many posts about this in many threads here, where i have mentioned my concern. Forgive me for making a joke.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry if I'm not keeping up with your every word

I’ll try to do better but having a life and all I don’t necessarily need to spend every waking moment here.

by bluekoolaide on May 11, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You seem irritable today

Everything ok?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soto having gained weight

and struggling does NOT equate him being “fat and lazy”.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well he is fat

which I have found comes from being lazy. Especially when you are a professional athlete.

Hey the Cubs are good again! This will be a good test of a sig jinx.

by nji232 on May 11, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that would seem to make sense

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 12, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've never gotten the impression that Geo is lazy.

Now, granted, I’m just a fan, and I don’t know him personally. But watching him on the field and in the dugout and seeing him interviewed, I’ve never thought to myself, “What a smug, lazy dude.”

And, if I may go against the collective consciousness here, I still don’t think he looks that much heavier. Some of you are making it sound like he’s squirming across the diamond like Jabba the Hutt. Maybe he’s a few pounds heavier, or maybe he’s just struggling with his timing and pitch recognition. Again, I’m guessing that, as soon as he snaps out of it, we’ll be reading stuff like, “Wow, Geo sure has dropped the weight!”

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by dat cubfan daver on May 12, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soto the Hutt

Boolio Michar Poodoo.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is heavier

And I think the inactivity of the WBC contributed to it somewhat. In fact, Lou made a comment to that effect when Soto came back from the WBC that Soto had eaten “too much rice and beans.”

I would hope that 6 weeks after the WBC finished, he would have shed some pounds, but maybe the shoulder problem kept him from lifting and cutting weight, too.

Now, had he been with the Cubs in Spring Training, would he still be slumping? It’s entirely possible as well.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on May 12, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Has anyone seen Bruce Miles' take on this?

If not, I’d like to hear what he’s seeing in regards to Soto.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 12, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yesterday on his blog, Bruce commented briefly on Soto's, uh, shape.

CLICK DA LINKY

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by dat cubfan daver on May 12, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks.

Some players take some time to get into shape in-season. Hopefully Soto picks it up sooner rather than later.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 12, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, he had some success last night...

…and his throws to second base seem pretty strong.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 13, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How the hell do

you know he is lazy. Over react much?

by sue369 on May 11, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well I think it might have to do with a couple things

He got cocky, thinking he didn’t have to work as hard because he “made it”. Kerry Wood shared his diet with him, maybe with Wood gone that diet is no longer being used. Henry Blanco motivated and mentored Soto, he is gone for whatever reason. Perhaps he was using, but if he had gotten away with it, there is no reason to stop.

The one thing we might all be ignoring, Soto had two outlier years where he performed out of his mind, and now he is regressed back to what he is, a light hitting backup.

Hey the Cubs are good again! This will be a good test of a sig jinx.

by nji232 on May 11, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder what Lou & Jimbo do on their off-days.

Cuz we sure as hell debate the crap outta this team.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I hope

they go fishing and don’t think about the Cubs at all.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now there's a thought.

I hate fishing but I vote for shopping! (Lou’s been known to visit a few shops on Michigan Ave.)

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lou drinks prickly pear pear martinis or something like that.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm guessing Jim's

drinks are a little simpler with merely three ingredients. 1. Ice, 2. Somthing clear or amber, 3. a glass.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 11, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can someone tell me if Braun was ACTUALLY hit by Dempster's pitch?

I’m having a hard time finding a definitive answer and/or video of this, and it’s very (not) important for a debate with my Brewers’ friend.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I never thought I'd say this...

…but check out this post at the Evil BCB. There’s a video posted there that pretty clearly shows Braun was not hit by the pitch.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 11, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

AAAAAAGGGGHHHHHH

JUST….

….CANT

….DO IT…..

…NOT…AT….EVIL….BCB.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

just hold your nose.

:P

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man, that just gets my blood boiling. Hit that guy for real this time. What a show boat. First off, he wasn’t hit. Second, he ACTS like he was hit. Third, he cocks off during the homer trot. And Brewers’ fans wonder why we say their players don’t respect the game or tuck in their friggin’ shirts.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha, at first read I was wonding why such foul language and figure out what a triggin shirt looked like.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where is that

poster from the evil BCB who called us stupid for saying that Braun was talking trash?

by sue369 on May 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno but I kinda miss that guy from last year...

…what was his name? He was great.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ack, I can't

remember right now. I’ll try to think of it.

by sue369 on May 11, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you mean Horace Tarbox?

He kept insisting he was a Kansas City Royals fan but was actually a pretty busy troll. I’d seen some of his other work on various sites when the favored team was losing. His avatar freaked me out a little bit.

"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome

by Goodie1969 on May 11, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

YUP THAT'S IT.

WELL DONE.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sick and I have nothing better to do.

Often difficulties bring about opportunities and I see that Ramirez and DLee are not going to be productive for the first half of the season and that could be a blessing. That said Hendry must earn his GM of the year by working the market place opportunities and add to this club where it could be stronger for the playoffs. Let us start with 3B and then go to the bullpen through the starting rotation.

Yes, let’s trade for a third base replacement a month into the season, because Aramis Ramirez certainly won’t be around for the playoffs!

There are a number of clubs who have stumbled out of the gate that offer some interesting player acquisitions. (Some of you ask why Ascanio today and to me he is being auditioned, but let us look at what could help and the relative cost.

It’s a month into the season. This is a terrible time to assess whether or not a team will be dealing.

Remember the Cubs do have an estimated $7-8M in the budget reserve and with the expected sale Ricketts could offer another $5-8M as a welcoming present to the fans.

See, now you’re just making stuff up. “Ricketts could offer another $5-8M as a welcoming present to the fans”? Where did you get this? Or are you just offering wild predictions to support your opinions?

Teams to look at, first is Cleveland whom the Cubs already dealt with this winter, they have Cliff Lee in the rotation who is up for FA and not having his Cy Young year the other is ironically Mark DeRosa. Making an early season trade for these two would make for an immediate impact since Mark could spell effectively 3B until Ramirez is fully healed and then back that up so Ramirez is the best for the playoffs. Lee could push Marshall to the pen which needs a lefty and middle reliever.DeRosa has not adjusted well on Lake Erie so I bet the respective cost would not be too much,

Let’s say I’m general manager Mark Shapiro. My team’s 11-21, but I’m in a division in which there is no clear-cut winner. Am I really willing to trade my team’s best pitcher and my starting third baseman a month into the season? Moreso, am I willing to trade said starting third baseman back to the team from which I originally acquired him from? You offer absolutely no evidence of rational thinking, just rambling speculation.

Other teams of note; Colorado has stumbled badly and their attendance will be soft in the summer, they have Atkins who can play 1B and 3B who also has started out slow where the Rox would like to get Stewart on the field.

Aramis Ramirez will be out for 6-8 weeks, not the rest of the year. Trading for Garrett Atkins would be an incredibly irresponsible use of both talent and money that could be used later in the season to trade for a Jake Peavy, Roy Halladay (I wish), etc. Are you thinking at all?

One could look at Arizona, Baltimore again or Houston but they might be too expensive. Then there is Oakland who might be willing to rethink their strategy. Utlimately it appears that Cleveland offers the quick fix and the question is can the Cubs make an offer to get a lefty starter and another versatile player?

Arizona has absolutely nothing to offer except for MAYBE Doug Davis. Baltimore has no pitching to speak of. Houston has ABSOLUTELY no pitching to speak of, and there’s no way that they’d trade with a division rival. Oakland could still contend because, for the millionth time, it’s ONLY A MONTH INTO THE SEASON.

Sigh.

"Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them, well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

by Keith on May 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs

Agreed..+1 +1 +1

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 11, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd

That’s gold, baby! Gold!

"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome

by Goodie1969 on May 11, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd +1

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1000

Esp. for calling attention to this special “welcoming present” that Ricketts is planning to spend for the fans. I LOVE the 5-8 million dollar figure!! Let’s just pick a number out of thin air based on absolutely nothing!

by bluekoolaide on May 11, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I read that as an...

ass-pull and nothing else. He could have stated more clearly it was a guess.

I for one hope Ricketts does up the ante a bit. If nothing more than maneuverability going towards the NWT deadline.

One factor I’m not sure anyone here has a feel for yet – and to no one’s fault – is how the economy could force some teams to sell this season wherein past season’s with a better economy they would not be sellers. That could open the door for teams willing to spend some monies. Hence my wish for Ricketts to expand on the assumed $140M payroll budget for the near term.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 12, 2009 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't often agree with you.

However, today you nailed it. Agreed & rec’d.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 11, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes that's

correct. So let’s not allow any posts that are not up to BCB standards. So the poster tried to convey their thoughts of the Cub’s only to fall short of expectations.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 12, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think

that’s Al’s point, nor is it Keith’s.

It’s superb hyperbole to use the word “salvage” for a season where this team is 1.5 games back, with 131 games to go.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No fair

You do a well written & researched response which comes to the same conclusion as my typo filled rants.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 11, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's how I do it.

1. Get the flu.
2. Have nothing to do.
3. Find something that is written very poorly
4. Rip it to shreds.
5. ????
6. PROFIT!

"Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them, well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

by Keith on May 11, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am good for all but the first one

Does being unemployed kind of amount to the same thing time wise and without the antibiotics ?

Also got to tell me about the PROFIT part. Al must be holding out on us.

Feel better.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 11, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You forgot to put in your list

“put some thought into my response”.

However your bigger response above clearly illustrated that. I may not agree with everything but it’s well thought out.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 12, 2009 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently this was a knockout punch...

…because I can’t help noticing that Ivy Walls has not responded.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 12, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chad Tracy is the answer. Can play 3rd and 1st, as well as some OF.

Milton Bradley will win the 2009 NL MVP

by Milton's Gameboard on May 11, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You mean like Ryan Freel?

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by dat cubfan daver on May 12, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The fundamental premise of this post raises my hackles

Salvage? Good grief, we’re barely a month or so into the season??

(Cue The Ledge Jumping Song)

The perpetual drama behind the kinds of adversity that all MLB teams have to face from time to time that comes up on BCB is unreal.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on May 11, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd

and seconded 1,000 percent. This post has a ridiculous premise.

Aside from Ramirez, the biggest problem this team has right now is the bullpen. That will be rectified.

As for the rest of it, it’s called a baseball season. It happens to everybody.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 12, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seconded again

Another incredibly pompous, long winded post from a guy who is way too much in love with his own “expertise”.

by bluekoolaide on May 12, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How about the baseball gods?

Oh that’s right, they haven’t been too kind to the Cubs for quite awhile.

On a serious note, Hendry will have to make a deal or two to ensure the survival of this year’s team. The middle of the bullpen is bad, and our infield depth (includes hitting) has taken a huge hit.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on May 12, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ivy

go for it! At last glance this post had 366 posts. I applaud you for doing this post. Good job, I enjoyed it. Let all the nay sayers have their time, but it is you that has the guts to post what you are feeling about the Cub’s! Go Cub’s!

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 12, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I must have missed something

I didn’t realize it took “guts” to post. I guess at that rate, the ’net is overwhelmed with gutsy bloggers; heroes all!

by bluekoolaide on May 12, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no...

… if he had guts he’d come back and refute any one of the many questions that were posed… but he didn’t. Anyone can post random suppositions but the least he could do is come back and respond. But he doesn’t do that. Ivy’s MO is posting random ramblings from his so called baseball insiders, then heads for the hills any time anyone questions him.

by dmlichte on May 12, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

With 22,000+ comments, I'd say my guts are spilling all over my keyboard.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 13, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get it

Teams to look at, first is Cleveland whom the Cubs already dealt with this winter, they have Cliff Lee in the rotation who is up for FA and not having his Cy Young year the other is ironically Mark DeRosa.

So basically, Cleveland (who despite their bad start, still has a chance to win the division due to weak competition) would trade away one of the best pitchers in the AL and a well above average third baseman to the Cubs for whoever is in their scrap heap of a farm system.

Who do you think the Cubs possibly have that could land those two? Vitters? Maybe. His power ceiling is limited, and he is only in A ball. I doubt that he could even get Lee straight up. The package that the Brewers gave to Cleveland for CC last year was a lot better than just Vitters. I doubt that the Cubs have the prospects to get anyone of Lee’s caliber.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 13, 2009 12:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

if we were actually going to get DeRosa back -- and I don't think we are --

I presume we’d send them Miles and Freel in addition to prospects. Fonty would go back to the bench, Mark would be starting 2b again, and do the super-sub thing when others were hurt.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 13, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure they would want that

While the Cubs utilized DeRosa as a super-sub, he’s the Tribe’s 3B-man. They aren’t likely to want two role players and prospects in return for a starter. Neither Freel nor Miles would really be a replacement for DeRosa as an everyday player. (I know, I know . . . .)

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 13, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

which is why

we’re not going to get him back, among other reasons.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on May 13, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We're not going to get him back...

…because there’s too much pride at stake in reversing a trade; neither GM wants to admit they “lost” the first trade.
…because we don’t need a utility man so much as just a 3B and there will be other 3B on the market if we really look to buy a 3B.
…because we’re likely going to need to use our buying chips on other parts of the team if we are buying any players at all.
…because Jim and Lou decided they didn’t want him on the team.

I suspect that Jim and Lou don’t regret trading DeRosa; if they regret anything, I think it’s a combo of Miles and Koskie.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 13, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder whether Bobby Scales is making Hendry regret Aaron Miles.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 13, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No reason to regret Koskie

That was low-risk, relatively high-reward. It didn’t work out, but it didn’t cost much, either.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 13, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

[putting on my Indians hat for a moment...]

…and we’d want Miles and Freel, why???

[putting my Cubs hat back on…]
Hey! Let’s throw in Cotts, too!

Seriously Drew, why would any team want Miles at this point? And the Indians already have a Freel by the name of Tony Graffanino waiting in the wings if someone goes down to injury. A little bit older perhaps, but probably just as useful as a stopgap spare part.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 14, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know

I was just grasping at straws to find possibilities. The Indians aren’t giving DeRosa back.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on May 14, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Plus, Vitters is a third baseman.

Didn’t the Indians just trade for a third baseman last season?

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by dat cubfan daver on May 13, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wait

his name… can’t remember… on the tip of my tongue…

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on May 13, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No whisperin' in my ear...tell me all the things that I'd like to hear...

Oh, wait…I was confused. I actually meant Matt LaPorta, the player they got in the CC deal. But, as it turns out, he’s a 1B/LF. Nevermind!

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by dat cubfan daver on May 13, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They got Andy Marte

back in the Coco Crisp trade several years ago and Marte hasn’t panned out.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 13, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, OK.

Like I said, I thought LaPorta was a 3B for some reason.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 13, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

10-3 this month

not quite sure what the cubs can do to salvage this season

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on May 14, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

On the ledge?

Have a lollipop.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on May 14, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So the unicorn has given up on Matt Murton, too?

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by dat cubfan daver on May 15, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's time to move on.

We (mostly) look back on Murton era with fondness, but times have changed…

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on May 15, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And, let's face it, unicorns are pretty rare.

Not the best use of our resources.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 15, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs