Ken Macha Wants "Probe" of Dempster
Is this guy serious? First of all, that pitch didn't even hit Braun, and then Braun decided it was a good idea to stare at Demps all the way down first. Maybe they should probe Braun's showboating after home runs?
"The league frowns on people throwing at people's heads," Macha told reporters this morning. "I don't know if Bob Watson has looked at it or not. But I don't think that's a good idea, throwing at people's heads."
Don't forget that Theriot was drilled later in the game... if Macha wants Watson to look at this game, and the incidents that followed, he should be prepared for action to be taken for retribution. That's all I have to say about this. What a tool.
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Macha was probably trying to instigate a beaning for Braun
to get cubs pitchers suspended. That or he is really really stupid. Is there any other explanation?
by bclark89 on May 11, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He probably knows the more he can hurt the Cubs now
the better off he’ll be later in the season when his team’s pitching falls apart and his guys start hitting the DL.
by lswaidz on May 11, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there something in the water in Milwaukee...
…that makes their managers so whiny? Looks like Macha is going down the same cry-me-a-river as Ned Yost. I guess this means Todd Wellemyer should have been reviewed and suspended for throwing at Soriano in the last Cubs-Cards series. Oh, but wait, Lou didn’t need to going crying to MLB – or the press – because he dealt with it on the field.
Braun got his revenge – and the Brewers heaped on the humiliation thereafter. Take your series win and walk away, sir.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 11, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark my words...
…Willie Randolph will be running that team next year.
by lswaidz on May 11, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then mark my words
We are in for an exciting meltdown from the Brewers in September.
by ak123 on May 11, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reed Johnson
Not to mention the beaning of Reed after he stole the grand slam from Fielder.
by kofspades on May 11, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That team is obviously bothered by all the Cub fans who fill their stadium.
Maybe they should do local ticket giveaways on Cub dates or someting. Oh wait, that won’t work because ownership loves a stadium full of Cub fans. Maybe they should just shut up then?
by Jerry Mumphrey on May 11, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewer fans would just sell the tickets to Cub fans.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame
Demp couldn’t just aim lower and be done with it.
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by tony412 on May 11, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you stay on the Brew Crew site
and stop trolling here?
by dfrancon on May 12, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, hold on there
You make a fanshot about the way people talk, and you think this was the right response? Makes you sound more than a bit sanctimonious, don’t you think?
Frankly, I agree with TSSC. Making jokes about hitting someone in the head is not cool.
Someone is a fan of a different team, so everything they say is automatically wrong?
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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is part of playing Chess for the next series with us
because enough complaining, and the teams will start with warnings, and some fast hooks for anything inside.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yawn.
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by dtpollitt on May 11, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Guess Macha must be talking to Tony LaRussa.
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by Al on May 11, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Macha is an idiot.
I’m sure Dempster wanted to put the leadoff man on base in front of Prince Fielder in a tight ballgame. In that situation, it’s stupid to even bring up the possibility of a purpose pitch. However, if Braun keeps doing his little cocky little straight-arm jaunt around the bases and slapping high fives with both base coaches, he is going to get more than his share of chin music by season’s end.
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by ctcoff99 on May 11, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
actually is not stupid
by doing so, the Umps could be instructed, to warn the benches before the next Cubs/Brewers series. In turn the Cubs throw less inside, leaving the ball over the outside corner or middle of the plate.
I am not saying I agree with him that there is any reason to review it, but it is part of the game within the game.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but then...
that would mean the Brewers pitchers couldn’t come inside either leaving the ball out over the plate for Ramir…, er, uh…Sot…um, Le…um, Theriot?
by CubFan81 on May 11, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Scales!
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by dat cubfan daver on May 11, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we have seen many times
low and outside the strike zone to Rami and Sori turn into a swing and a miss too often. It is actually in favor of MIlwaukee.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could also be that the purpose is to protect his player next time.
I agree with you that if there is any real purpose behind his statements it’s to set the tone from the umps in the next meeting, but it could be for protecting his hitter against pitches from the Cubs. It’s not so much that his pitchers may not pitch inside, it could be that if the Cubs are more likely to retaliate for the “stare down” then maybe he can get some protection for his hitter from the umps. Even though Braun was “hit” it’s more likely that raun is a target next time because of the stare down or the way he admires his HRs.
by DudeVf11 on May 11, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he does.
The only thing that the MLB PROBE will conclude is that Macha’s star player fell down like a sack of potatoes after fouling off a high-inside pitch, and then complained that “he hit me in the f*ing head!” to Hoffpauir.
I’m cool with HR celebrations – these guys are entertainers, and that was a big HR. But pretending to get hit by a pitch is AJ Pierzynski territory.
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by D98 on May 11, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember..
when this was just part of the game? Managers and players dealt with it on the field and that was the end of it. Self-policing. It worked for years. Why change it.
by MattHaggard on May 11, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because...
… there isn’t the mutual respect there used to be. For example, in this case the Brewers are acting like spoiled little babies.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 11, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that was before Free Agency
put friends and former teammates against each other as often as it does now
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spoiled little babies take serious offense to that Al.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on May 11, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody who read my posts the other day about Braun
and my “new found respect” for the guy for not taking 2nd on Aramis’ injury. I just want you all to know that I have come to the conclusion that he didn’t take 2nd because he is stupid and didn’t know where the ball was. He wasn’t being nobel or classy. He is a douchbag!! I have NO respect for this guy after watching the rest of the series.
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by muehlman on May 11, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
If he keeps wagging his tongue and staring down pitchers when he hits homers, it probably won’t be last time he gets hit.
by mje1112 on May 11, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he'll get his probe
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by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Geez, here I thought I was paying attention...
…but I had no idea that much back-and-forth had already gone on. Still, if the Brewers did retaliate by plunking Theriot then the matter should be done with for the time being.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 11, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quote from the link
The Cubs don’t believe there will be any punishment because Dempster slipped when he made the pitch and videotapes will show Braun was not hit in the helmet, despite the call.
Exactly right. Go watch the video again (it’s helpfully on the evil BCB in the “why Brenly hates Braun” post. It clearly shows Dempster slipping. The pitch just got away, and it hit Braun’s bat.
This is a ridiculous exercise and isn’t going to win Macha many friends. He must have inherited the stupid pills that Yost left behind in the clubhouse when he was fired.
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by Al on May 11, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of watching tape
has there STILL not been a ruling on Bradley’s appeal?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, there still has been no ruling.
Strange, I think. That was five days ago.
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by Al on May 11, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what could they possibly be talking about
still? Is it possible that they just never rule, and by doing so, invalidate the whole thing?
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by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they're waiting for Milton's batting average to get over the Mendoza Line.
That way, when they deny his appeal and uphold the suspension, it’ll have a little more bite.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 11, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is clear at 45 seconds into the video
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anal probe?
I didn’t know Macha was into Demp… Um, like… liking him and all. How weird.
by TheHawkRules on May 11, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Since we're on the topic
A little write up by Yahoo on this and other cases recently which has some other interesting linky’s within this linky
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by tony412 on May 11, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
within you can find
EVIL BCB perspective & video
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by tony412 on May 11, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how the DBacks won a WS in spite of Brenley
and how Brenley has no credability according to them.
Does that mean Braun has LESS credability after trying to convince everyone he was hit with a ball that clearly did not hit him?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't advocate Evil BCB hate...
…but a few of those posters need to wisen up. Brenly advocating VIOLENCE?? Brenly is bitter…? Of what? Not winning two rings? How many times have the brewers been in the bottom of the league since Brenly won it all? I especially like this response, which was Rec’d by a few peoeple…
Milwaukee, and Wisconsin sports teams in general, need some players like this. Good guys who are confident enough in their abilities to be a little cocky. When has a Milwaukee Brewers team ever had swagger?
So in order for Wisconsin teams to be good, they need to be cocky a-holes? Come on… team “swagger” isn’t a bunch of guys staring down opposing pitchers, showboating, and carrying-on like little leaguers and whining when things don’t go their way… swagger is what a team like the Blackhawks has… it’s a QUIET confidence. Brewers fans need to remember the phrase “speak softly, and carry a big stick.”
by lswaidz on May 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ken Macha is an idiot.
He publicly asked for MLB to review this tape. What will MLB find? Well, that Braun WASN’T EVEN HIT and that he pretended like he was. That’ll surely sit well with those guys!
Stupid, stupid move by Macha.
by kanderber on May 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me something my mom used
to tell my sisters and I if we ever cried over something stupid (ofcourse I dont even know what crying is)…. “come over here so I can give you something to cry about for real”.
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by tony412 on May 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me about what my Mom said about crying wolf.
You can bet that Braun WILL be hit on purpose the next time the teams meet.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 11, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be too sure
That would lead to suspensions. Look for Lou’s old pal TLR to help out on this one.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 11, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they will find out that the ump
made the wrong call
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
so do they take the HBP off Demp’s stat line?
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by tony412 on May 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should
make sure that the Umpires are aware of the hoopla and tell them that there needs to be a definitive ball to person contact in the future. this could actually cause Braun to be HBP with a pitch that is borderline to HBP or not, and going the pitchers way now. Macha might have actually hung himself here.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 11, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts precisely.
This gem of a quote really got me:
“The league frowns on people throwing at people’s heads,” Macha told reporters this morning.
Oh really? Hmm… Well, I’d bet the league also frowns on wasting time and money dealing with this non-issue and your dumb ass.
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by Goodie1969 on May 11, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hit by pitch?
Didn’t notice on replays that Dempster slipped on the pitch. But a reasonable, rational, baseball intelligent person would know that he didn’t throw at Braun. First, sadly Dempster didn’t have his best stuff and was struggling with his control (IMO) the whole game, Second it was a close ball game and you don’t put the lead off guy on base, Third I think most players know there is a time and place to deal with various issues. I think Dempster is smart enough to realize if he wanted to hit Braun there are plenty of games left in the season with the Brewers that a less crucial situation will arise to put Braun on base. Though I don’t think there was any intent behind the pitch.
Just wish that Braun could face vintage Gibson or Drysdale after his showboating HR trot. They’d still be trying to get the baseball out of Braun’s ear.
by Rkfd Die Hard on May 11, 2009 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would have loved to see Braun stare down
Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens, Catfish Hunter, Jack Morris, Dave Stewart, to name a few. Then again, I do not think even he would be that stupid.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm late to the game
but….
I think you misunderstood. Ken Macha wants TO probe Dempster.
I’m tired of work and want to go home. My jokes can’t move past Grade 4 today. sigh
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by PacificCub on May 12, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Macha is an alien
and wants to take Dempster onto his space ship?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY.
God, I’m glad SOMEbody on this planet understands me!
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by PacificCub on May 12, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
reply fail...
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by PacificCub on May 12, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB will look at the "HBP"
Saw today that MLB will look at the pitch that “hit Braun in the head.” Can’t wait to see their press release and the spin they put on looking into a HBP that wasn’t….especially in light of only a $750 find to Jenks who admitted he threw behind (which what you do if you want to hit someone as the hitter’s natural reaction is to back out of the batter’s box and thus into the pitch) Kinsler.
Think with Selig, ex Brewer owner and doesn’t his daughter own or have some high raking position with the Brewers, as commissioner there will be a Brewer bias on what happens to Dempster?
by Rkfd Die Hard on May 12, 2009 6:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Seligs have no connection with the Brewers any more...
… other than living in Milwaukee. Wendy Selig, Bud’s daughter, was an executive when Bud owned the team, but when Mark Attanasio bought it, the Seligs were divested of all connection with the team.
That pitch didn’t hit him in the head and the video will prove it.
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by Al on May 13, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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