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The MLB Commissioner's Office Is Losing It

Two recent incidents and their aftermaths give evidence that Bud Selig and the rest of the commissioner's office is rapidly losing the ability to reasonably run major league baseball.

OK, you're saying, you've known this for years. But the two incidents, both involving the Cubs, are so egregiously wrong that it calls into question virtually anything that Selig and his designated discipline minion, Bob Watson, whose formal title is Vice President, Rules & On-Field Operations. Watson handles all appeals of suspensions and other matters related to on-field discipline.

While there is no question that players shouldn't be allowed to simply run amok on the field, these recent incidents show that umpires -- and in one case, a manager -- are beginning to put themselves above the game and common sense.

First, let's talk about Milton Bradley's two-game suspension for (allegedly) brushing the bill of his helmet against the bill of umpire Larry Vanover's cap during a brief argument after Bradley was called out on strikes at Wrigley Field on April 16. All the video replays showed contact, if it even happened, was brief and incidental. Sure, the rules say that "contact" with an umpire should result in a suspension. But common sense in viewing that video should dictate that someone should pull Larry Vanover aside and say, "C'mon, Larry. It barely touched you. Yes, Milton has had problems in the past but this time he just beefed, got close for a second and then walked away." It's almost as if they suspended Milton on reputation -- that's just plain wrong.

In any case, Bradley had his appeal heard last Wednesday in Houston -- that's six days ago. Why has there been no ruling? Here's a purely speculative guess: they're considering eliminating the suspension completely. Most times, when a suspension is appealed, it's reduced by a game or two or three. Reversing the suspension is the right thing to do, but they're probably considering what the consequences of doing this is for future suspensions.

That's wrong too. Eliminating an unjustified suspension is not only the right thing, it should send a message that umpires and administrators should use common sense when filing reports on minor incidents like the Bradley one.

Now, let's discuss the Ryan Braun/Ryan Dempster incident from last Saturday. As you know, a pitch from Dempster to Braun in the fifth inning sailed at Braun's head. It did not hit Braun -- the video replays on this are absolutely clear -- it hit his bat. Nevertheless, plate umpire Jerry Crawford, as shown in the photo, pointed at Braun's head and sent him to first base, when it should have been a foul ball. Further, in the video, Dempster is clearly shown slipping; the ball just got away from him.

Nevertheless, Brewers manager Ken Macha asked for a "probe" into this.

What is this, MLB or the CIA? And did Macha take some of the stupid pills that Ned Yost left behind in the clubhouse when he was fired last year? In any case, Paul Sullivan says this likely won't amount to anything:

Club sources said the team is confident MLB won't act, noting Dempster's solid reputation and the fact he slipped while making the pitch that sailed toward Braun's head as Braun squared to bunt.

A fine is a possibility, though a suspension is unlikely.

Even a fine is way over the top. Sullivan agrees with me that Dempster slipped and this was a non-incident (and further, an incorrect call by Crawford).

When things like this happen, someone in the commissioner's office has to stand up for common sense and say to Ken Macha, "Grow up." Unfortunately, no one there seems to have any common sense.

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Well said Al

It’s even more infuriating to us Cubs fans because in both instances it was a critical game vs a divisional opponent/rival where the umpirie’s missed call could have, and at least in one instance did affect the outcome of the game. Something that should never happen. Plus it felt like a kick in the ribs while we’re already down, specially in the Braun/Demp instance as these are tough times we’re going thru.

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by tony412 on May 12, 2009 8:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Completely OT, but I don't have time for a fan post

1pm CT TODAY on MLB Network, is the 1984 “Sandberg” game v. St Louis.

For those who have never seen……..a must DVR or (like me) analog VCR.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post.

The Bradley thing I can understand. The rules say don’t touch and ump and he touched him. Shouldn’t have been screaming in his face to begin with. But at the same time, it was a terrible call and in that situation the player SHOULD yell at the ump for failing miserably at his job.

But the Dempster thing is just so far beyond ridiculous, that I don’t even know what to call it.

by kanderber on May 12, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting...........

………..there was not a peep after Soriano was struck in the head in STL, and then Pujols in the rump as retaliation.

I’m a big fan of self-policing. Let the managers and the umps stay in the shadows.

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by tville on May 12, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Up to a point, of course.

You can’t let it get out of control. But, when incidents are minor, let them go.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

From the same league that brought us black out rules that keep us from seeing our own teams play!

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by AndrewJStone on May 12, 2009 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

And the biggest steroid scandal known to man

……….this will be a long thread

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by tony412 on May 12, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL @ Photo Caption
No, Jerry. The ball didn’t hit him there.

My Caption: He’ll stare you down with his eyes, BIG eyes at that. (partially borrowed from BB)

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by tony412 on May 12, 2009 8:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Macha

is grandstanding to look like the new manager has his players’ backs. Some people open their mouth before putting their brain in gear.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on May 12, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Good point.

It’s never too early for the new guy to try to make points with the fellas.

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by tville on May 12, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

But...

… assuming this “probe” comes up empty — which it will — Macha just looks stupid.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

There won't be a probe...

and that’s the point. I doubt Macha really expects MLB to probe the matter. He’s just standing up for his guys. I don’t think he cares if he looks stupid in the media, either. He’s just showing support for his guys.

I think the MLB is probably simply ignoring Macha’s statements as managerial blathering to the media. And I think that’s fine. They don’t need to make more out of Macha’s comments than there really is. That’s just media and fan fodder for discussion.

by SouthernCub on May 12, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

There already is one

There’s a link to the Trib bit on it in the fanshot, and Al linked to it above.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless...

I doubt Macha cares about looking stupid. I also doubt he expects the MLB to actually sanction Dempster or the Cubs.

I suspect that he’s doing this for one (or more) of three reasons:
1) to show he “has his players backs”
2) to get it on the minds of MLB for the next time a Cub pitcher hits a Brewer (especially Braun)
3) to try to get in the heads of the Cubs

Will it work? Who knows. But he’s not losing anything by bringing it up, and I guarantee he doesn’t care about looking stupid.

I also don’t see anything wrong with the MLB’s statement that they’ll look into it. It’s Watson’s job to look into these matters. Looking into it doesn’t mean there’ll be discipline, and I doubt there’ll be discipline.

by SouthernCub on May 12, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo

I think you hit the nail on the head. I think people are making much ado about nothing here. Its gamesmanship on the part of Macha and the commissioner’s office placating the Brewers. Not sure why its a big deal.

by dmlichte on May 12, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

You give three examples of positive outcomes of the action

There are others. Other than Cubs fans I doubt anyone would call that stupid.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

What are the others? Are they likely?

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

This does not even register on the Macha-scale of stupidity

This man has looked like a complete horse’s ass so many times in the past (especially in Oakland) that this request is really just amusing. A’s fans have to be loving this

by murphymj on May 12, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

totally agree with the Macha thing, he was trying to get points with his own team.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley

I’m sorry but I’m going to have to go against the grain here. Bradley did aggressively approach the ump and contact did happen. And especially with his reputation he shouldn’t even come close. So a one gamer should be adequate in this case.

I know Bradley is on our team and we should root for him to stay on the field, but the question should be if Bradley was on the cards or the brewers would your opinion change about the incident? I think most of all would say give him one or two games if he was on the other team.

Hell, as long as mlb is reviewing it, maybe they should review the actual strike call and at least reprimand the ump for a really bad strike called.

And on a side note, what happens if they uphold the 2 gamer and he has to sit now. He was injured at the time and now without Aram this is the wrong time to lose his bat. He should have just accepted the suspension and sat out the 2 games since he was injured anyway. I know its about principle, but how about putting the team first?

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

"Contact"?

You can barely see it on the video replays, if it was even there. It was a complete overreaction on Vanover’s part.

If ANY other player does the same thing, nothing happens.

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by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

someone agressively approaches you

and you feel contact, and it touches the hat, then that is contact. I’m sorry but if I was Vanover at that point and a player with Bradley’s rep had come at me and I felt contact, I would have run him there too.

But I would not have made the bad strike call either.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

"a player with Bradley's rep"?

So you’re admitting you’d let your biases play into it. I don’t want umpires like you. A strike is a strike is a strike, and all players should be treated the same in this type of situation.

Vanover almost definitely went to the tape before filing his report. Even if he thought at the time there was serious contact, he should have seen that he was arguing over a tap.

by madcow256 on May 12, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly right.

It does seem that Bradley’s reputation has figued in to this controversy. It shouldn’t have.

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by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I can see the ejection, but a suspension is out of line. Maybe, MLB feels the ejection wasn’t punishment enough because Bradley was a pinch-hitter and would have been out of the game anyway following the at-bat. I do agree that Bradley is getting treated unfairly.

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by memphiscub on May 12, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess thats part of it

did he get in the umps face because he knew he was headed to the bench?

Still shouldn’t get suspended for barking at an ump- getting tossed was enough.

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

at the same time

the ump also approached Bradley. The ump is not to go towards the player and get in his face as well. The ump is towalk away. It is a mutual OOPS, and should not have been escalated to this point.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

don't see the ump approaching Bradley

Bradley approached the ump. The ump turned to face Bradley, that’s all he did.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

watch the video again.

the ump turns to face bradley and moves or leans towards him.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

you beat me to it.

the Ump did not back away, but moved towards MB

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

did again

and see Bradley arguing right away. Bradley comes around, the ump turns to face him. Bradley still argues, the ump takes off his mask and throws him out.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

The best video

is the one of Lou talking about it and they have a clip of Bradley leaning into the guy and the hats clearly bumping.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

but dont trust Video

your own words

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gamecast said Bradley got kicked out but

NEVER mentioned anything about brushing caps with the ump. Therefore, he shouldn’t get suspended. RIGHT?

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by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

sure

as long as we cannot see the f/x of the bills making contact, then it never happened, bcuz video is not something to review or trust.

This is what I learned from ol Pete today. I feel much smarter now for it.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will probably watch the game on Gameday tonight.

Because I will be able to get a much better/accurate visual of the game.

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by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I figure I will

wait for the F/X version of it to be released by MLB, since video cannot be trusted

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

I’ll bet the instructions for umpires is the opposite of what you want and with good reason.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

the ump is to difuse and retreat

not confront a player

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take that bet.

because you’re wrong.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley's rer gave him the 2 gamer, normally should have been 1 game

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

c'mon now, don't you think that Maddux got the benefit

from the umps because he was always close to the zone. Whereas another player would throw in the same spot and not get the call. It’s part of the game and life for that matter. Biases and predispositions are part of this game whether we like it or not.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep

and i kind of like it that way. If some guy makes a great bang-bang play but the runner ties, well the runner is probably going to get called out even though ‘the tie goes to the runner’.

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

tie goes to the runner

is not a rule, written or otherwise.

by tootle on May 12, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not, I thought it was.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

It most certainly is

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, actually, it's not.

There’s no written rule regarding “tie goes to the runner”.

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by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where does it come from then, just a little league thing then?

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to admit, I thought it was a rule

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

It’s kind of a time-honored thing that’s been drummed into us by years of hearing it. But there is no such written rule.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guess I can go home now

I have learned something new today.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

look in the official mlb or college rulebooks.

it is a judgement call whether or not the runner beat the throw to the bag. if you are sure the runner beat the throw, then he is safe, if you are sure the throw beat the runner, then he is out. please read the book

by tootle on May 12, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alright, I'll concede you may be right

But I have no time to look right now

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

The rule(s) in question are 6.05 j for the batter, and 7.08 e for baserunners

the batter is out…

(j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;

the runner is out…
(e) He fails to reach the next base before a fielder tags him or the base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner. However, if a following runner is put out on a force play, the force is removed and the runner must be tagged to be put out. The force is removed as soon as the runner touches the base to which he is forced to advance, and if he overslides or overruns the base, the runner must be tagged to be put out. However, if the forced runner, after touching the next base, retreats for any reason towards the base he had last occupied, the force play is reinstated, and he can again be put out if the defense tags the base to which he is forced;

by tootle on May 12, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I do have to say, the “before” part, the way it is written, does imply that the tie goes to the runner.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed!

One could argue that it does mean that in this case, but I suppose you could argue the opposite, too.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that's the key.

It wasn’t a borderline call, it was a BAD call. Vanover should have known immediately that Bradley was going to be pissed and, when looking at in hindsight and on video, should know that his reaction was more than justified.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Precisely.

At some point, MLB has to make their Umpires accountable on the field for poor calls. Now ball/strike calls are judgment calls, but none the less, with the QuesTec system in place, umpires should be held accountable for making the wrong calls.

If Larry Vanover butchers a 3-2, bases loaded pitch that is clearly a ball, he (and MLB) should be giving some leeway to the player who disagrees with the call, regardless of whom the player is.

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by Bill Potter on May 12, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

bad calls happen all the time and to every team.

There is this little rule that you can’t argue balls and strikes. Bradley knows this and doesn’t have to get so close to the ump to make his feelings known about the bad call. He should have kept his distance while argueing. Sorry, but Bradley’s bad on this one.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

except

that the Ump turned towards Bradley and initiated the contact. The ump should seek to REDUCE the confrontation, not increase it.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry but Bradley came toward the ump and not the other way around.

I just looked at the video 5 times in a row and Bradley came towards the ump

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I continue to disagree.

Bradley walked around the plate, and towards the ump. The ump took off his mask and leans or steps towards bradley. THAT’s when the caps touch.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

he took off his mask to throw him out of the game

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

and he leaned or stepped in.

thus increasing the confrontation. He should have thrown him out and walked away.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

he threw him out with his right hand. his shoulder was turned

Bradley stepped in while he was turned increasing the confrontation.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

not even close to true

Bradley was coming at him and leaned into him.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are incorrect.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

they show clearly

that the ump initiated the contact.

Your brain deceives your eyes.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only if Bradley is a marionette.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh-huh

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you care so much about Bradley?

I could give 2 $hits about any player on any other team other than my own. I wouldn’t even care about this scenario if it were a Brewer.

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by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

go back and look at the gameday pitch track

It wasn’t a terrible call. It looks to be within the parameters of what MLB considers acceptable. Al should post a screen capture of it and set things right.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's been posted

the video has been posted. The reactions have been posted. It was a terrible call, and you know it, and the only reason you’re here is to still up trouble.

Go back to your blog and rhapsodize about Braun’s eyes.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gameday isn't accurate

go back to boohoocrewball

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by The Lip on May 12, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's dependant on the pitch f/x technology

now, if the pitch f/x feeds the exact location of the pitch at the spot where it crosses the plate, then yes, it would be accurate to say that the ball may have been on the periphery of the strike zone.

However, if the Gameday software at the Major League-level still requires the inputter to mark where the pitch was, then there is the distinct possibility it was done wrong. In fact MLB.com encourages the inputters to make sure that called strikes are always inside the strike zone, so as not to show up the umpire.

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by Bill Potter on May 12, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good grief

Do I have to post the video again? Its plain and clear. He hit him because he was freaking out. He leaned into him not the other way around. Its not Vanover who is reacting.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow, I thought I was a lonely voice here.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amazing isn't it

some people just see what they want to see.

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by TheRamZamDLEE on May 12, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

which is the point I was making

about Bradley being on the Cubs and the fans coming to his defense. If Bradley was on another team then some would feel differently.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I have more invested cos he's on my team

but I wouldn’t. I’m not saying Bradley is the patron saint of arguing calls, but Vanover (and a lot of umps these days) do far too much showboating for someone who should be effectively invisible.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

have ^been^ more

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you are saying to hold it against Vanover

because of some other umps “showboating”. Kind of playing into the reputation thing.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair point.

I still think he wasn’t holding to the rules of umpiredom. He didn’t blow up, no, and looks absolutely tame compared to Bradley, but he still did more than he should have.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

besides the bad strike call. I don't see what the ump did wrong on this occasion.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

And we agree to disagree.

Still love your avatar, though.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, my fav player was buckner

so when I saw the image of 22 on the girl, I said that was the one for me.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh...

There is a number on there.

Huh.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah 2 of them!

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

refused to defuse the situation

and then overreacted to the bills touching when he initiated the contact in the first place.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I just can’t believe this thing is still dragging out. Make the decision already, it’s almost been a month!

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by TheRamZamDLEE on May 12, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1+1+1+1

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the replay...

…..Bradley was headed to the bench. It was the umpire that took off his mask and took a step towards him, not the other way around.

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by carmen_fanzone on May 12, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

It seems that umpires want to get face time on ESPN and MLBN. If that’s their aim, it’s worknig.

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by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

next

they’ll want to change it to MLU — Major League Umpiring. Baseball is just the background noise. Look at how gracefully Bucknor calls strikes!

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

takes

K:BB rate to a whole new level.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

BA=Bawling Average

CS = Caught Smirking

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOB = Left On Bench

GIDP = Goaded Into Detrimental Posturing

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

very nice

HBP = Horrid by player

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna keep going til I run out.

WHIP = Wrongful Hindsight Is Provoking

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

SLG

Slow lingering goombah

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

GS = Games Screwed

POS = well, it’s obvious, isn’t it…

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

BABIP

Bolluxed
And
Bobbled
Innings
Percieved

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa, I think you took the cake there.

I respectfully concede. I was stuck on LOOGY anyway…

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOOGY

Loose
Out
Offering
Gabby
Yahoo

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Goddammit.

Tip o’ the cap.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought LOOGY was

Losing
Often
Offers
Girlish
Yelling

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by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

only when referring to actual pitchers

as opposed to umpires.

Can’t
Obviously
Throw
Strikes
Sheesh!

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correction - two t's:

Can’t
Obviously
Throw
Too many
Strikes!

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by daver on May 12, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

darnit

I knew I’d catch myself at some point.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well Dome

Cotts is abbreviated. The full name is
Can’t
Obviously
Throw
Too many
Strikes!
Sad
Unfortunate
Cubs
Keep
Evaluating
(w)Rong

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by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

well Dome?

lol!

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meant Well Done**

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by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dome?

Dude
Once
Meant
Excitement

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by tony412 on May 12, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once?

Dude Owns My Excitement

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

DOME

Dude
Over-reacted
Milton
Exploded

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by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

GWRBI

Golly
We
Really
Balked
Intentionally

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by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the first thing I do every morning...

Check the umpiring assignments. Can’t miss the chance to see my favorite ump call balls and strikes.

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by Chris Dobbertean on May 12, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

darnit!

I can’t find the listing of which crew will ump the game tonight! HOW DO I KNOW IF I SHOULD WATCH?

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

you dont watch

just wait for the f/x later

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose

you have a point. Oh, the thrill of replaying Gameday!

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry Carmen

but just looked at the video and the ump made the bad call and was looking at first base side. Bradley gets upset and makes his way around to the ump to argue. Bradley approached the ump not the other way around.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that is an important distinction

if the player approaches the ump aggresively, enforce the letter of the law. and hand out a one day suspension. If the ump is the instigator, then enforce the spirit of the law and no suspension. The message that you want to send is that you will protect the umpires, but not if they are instigating.

by TC Cubby on May 12, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Umps need to be

help responsible for their faults, which they are not.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you mean bad calls, then I'm with you.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

bad calls do not mean instigating a confrontation.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

at the same time

they cannot think they are God, and continue to screw up. The Umpires Union needs to start fining or suspending Umps who constantly make bad calls or bad decisions, including a quick thumb or moving towards a player

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by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

turning towards a player

and leaning/stepping towards him does.

The ump should have stepped away. The call was made, he’d already thrown Bradley out of the game. The ump chose to create the confrontation.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. The ump's point was already made.

It’s like a boxer knocking a guy out then continuing to gloat in his face.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

the Ump is not to bark back

but to walk away. If the Ump moved towards the player, he is wrong.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

He exasperated it plain and simple.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

exacerbated

But his exacerbation sure exasperated the heck out of me! :D

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

great googlie mooglie

you are the master exaceraborator

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by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

careful

or you’ll go blind.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, it is not my day.

I new that two.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

precisely.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

would you

ever turn away from a person in a heated arguement?

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

an Ump is supposed to

their job is not to be confrontational, but impartial.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

what's he supposed to do

see Bradley approach and give him his back? I think that would get Bradley even more riled up.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

you walk away.

Bradley was not looking for a long argument. He got his point across and HE is the one who turned and walked away from the ump.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

So what exactly is your arguement here.

Bad call, WE all agree with that.

Can you say the ump was okay to toss him for arguing? I think we agree on that.

Then I think this is where we disagree, the ump tosses him with his shoulder turned and Bradley moves toward him. Bradley was the aggressor in my opinion.

You seem to think the ump should in one motion throw a player out and then continue with that motion walking away.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

no

I think the umpire shouldn’t over react, and shouldn’t increase the confrontation.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did he overreact?

Did he diminish or increase the confrontation? Seems like Bradley acted much better than several incidents in the past.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

the umpire increased the confrontation by turning towards Bradley and leaning in or stepping towards him.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure Drew

Poor Milton is a victim. He was just chatting. He didn’t lean into the ump who should act meek. And just because gameday says the call wasn’t “terrible,” they should get you to testify.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see the ump

leaning into him right there.

 I don’t give a sh!t what gameday says. I saw the pitch, and it was bad. You know it.

The umpire is supposed to do their job. You may not care about it when a division rival is the one getting jobbed, but you can ignore the rules all you want — doesn’t make an difference. The ump is supposed to defuse the situation.

But you don’t care. You’re just here to rile people up so that they’ll go over to the other BCB, and you can ban them. Does that make you feel like a big man?

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

if I'm trying to

defuse the argument, yes. Are umps supposed to defuse arguments or ignite them?

Take your time with your answer. I want you to be REALLY sure.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

please read

i didn’t mention a call at all. The instigation is moving toward the player. So, tell the umps, we’ll protect you if you do not instigate a confrontation, but if you instigate, you are on your own if you get touched lightly.

by TC Cubby on May 12, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

turning toward an approaching player is not insitgation.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again,

I haven’t watched the video and I don’t take a position on whether the ump did or didn’t instigate here. I just think that the distinction is important.

by TC Cubby on May 12, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

cool, just battilng a 3 front war here.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

t'anks

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

And especially with his reputation he shouldn’t even come close.

Wrong. When an ump screws a call, the player should have recourse.

I know Bradley is on our team and we should root for him to stay on the field, but the question should be if Bradley was on the cards or the brewers would your opinion change about the incident?

Nope. The play on the field should determine how the game goes, not bullsh!t suspensions.

And on a side note, what happens if they uphold the 2 gamer and he has to sit now. He was injured at the time and now without Aram this is the wrong time to lose his bat. He should have just accepted the suspension and sat out the 2 games since he was injured anyway. I know its about principle, but how about putting the team first?

0-3. If you let the umpires push you around, they become even more difficult to deal with. Bradley was not only justified in his reaction, he was RIGHT.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

he was right

but he should have just sucked it up and taken the suspension when he was limping around… he was right but do we really need to risk losing his bat now when he finally started hitting?

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

you don't

decide to fight a bad call just because you’re limping. You stand up for your principles and what’s right. If he doesn’t argue with them, how often are they going to call that ball a strike in the future? Every. Single. Time.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

principles are great

but the reality of him getting suspended for two games is not great.

He made his point-, and was proven right by the replays. Hopefully MLB drops it since it was not serious.
I do not think every ump will now ‘take advantage’ of Milton because he doesn’t yell at one of them when they make a bad call.
If anything- yelling at at ump will normally get you worse treatment from other umps who think you won’t respect them.

Yep- if you argue with umps all the time and act like you are going to kick their ass they are going to have knee jerk crappy calls for you- even if it is in their subconscious.

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

And if you have a knee jerk crappy subconscious call against you...

… you’ll probably want them reviewed and overturned. Or should we set the precedent that its ok to have those types of calls in baseball?

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by AndrewJStone on May 12, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry but umps calls are never overturned by MLB

You can protest a ruling but balls n strikes calls are not overturned ever.

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

doesn't mean that it's right.

It also doesn’t mean that the MLB shouldn’t look at a body of work by an ump and realize that he can’t accurately call the ball.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ump vs. team, ump vs. pitcher

Where do you draw the line?

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by Clutch16 on May 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

with the facts

the strike zone is a set thing. Use the technology to grade umpires on balls and strikes. We can see in the replay that the ball Dempster threw was, in fact, not a HBP, but a foul ball because it hit Braun’s bat, and not his head.

Make the umpires accountable for their actions, just like the players are. If a player makes an error, a run may score. If an ump makes an error, they’re effecting part of the game in which they are not supposed to.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

they are

so we are sort of arguing for something that is already happening

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

obviously

they’re not doing a good enough job of it.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

IIRC

they use the results for

1. Off season training (not correction during the season)
2. to determine who gets post season Ump duties

correcting an issue from April in November is not going to work no matter what for anyone in any industry

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

your logic and use of facts

are convincing! I would like to subscribe to your newsletter!

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

and you did a great job

of showing me ANYTHING that corrects me if i am.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

They already grade umpires using technology

The high def replay shows a change in trajectory at Braun’s helmet. If the umpire heard a double tap, what should MLB do? The preponderance of evidence would support the umpire.

Seems to me you don’t like facts.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, here we go.

the pitch didn’t hit him.

Your brain is deceiving your eyes again.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

like I said

They already grade umpires. My mind can tell a straight line. The hypothetical I posed may very well be true. You don’t answer… yet again.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

and the chancge in projection

if from hitting the bat not helmet. Had that hit his helmet he would not have been up that fast (history has shown that)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go Home...

Go talk about the game coming up against the Marlins or something. We already know from yesterday that you don’t think the ball hit Braun. Fine… We all think it didn’t hit him and hit the bat. You’re not going to change our minds with the trajectory tick argument.

As for Bradley. I am sure you didn’t watch the game or the pitch sequence to see that Strike 3 was the second bad call of the at bat.On 3-0 the first strike was bogus as well.

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by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't want to see instant replay in baseball

I like having human umps on the field calling plays. Yes they make mistakes sometimes but most of the time the calls hold up and the game goes much smoother.

MLB is using the Questek system to evaluate umps- in the end it is one call over like 150+ calls an ump makes a game. Yes it was important but there are 161 other games to worry about.

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I find it insulting

that fans in the stands have access to more information than Umpires on the field. I can pull out my phone and get a replay of a play, but an ump isn’t allowed to look up at the jumbotron to verify what they thought they saw.

I find that ridiculous. Give people the chance to get the call right.

by Allie on May 12, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you say it was a bad call?

The record of the event says it wasn’t. According to your logic, Bradley should never have said a word.

The idea that players should scream a few inches away from the umpires face because he doesn’t like the call is absurd. Your idea that the rule against arguing balls and strikes should be eliminated is a recipe for a nightmare.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

the record of the event

CLEARLY shows that the call was wrong.

The idea that players should scream a few inches away from the umpires face because he doesn’t like the call is absurd. Your idea that the rule against arguing balls and strikes should be eliminated is a recipe for a nightmare.

I have suggested neither of these things.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you think the gameday shows clearly that it was wrong

you’re operating with a mistaken set of assumptions. I think what I wrote is a pretty reasonable inference based on what you’ve written.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

the video

clearly shows it’s a ball.

I think you aren’t capable of making inferences that aren’t tainted by your own preconceived notions.

Don’t you want to win the RIGHT way? Shouldn’t it be enough for the Brewers to win based on the game-play, rather then trying to get the umps to job the call for you?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've looked at everything

you’ve suggested, and find that it ALL supports the concept that the call was bad, the ump leaned into Bradley, and the suspension was ridiculous.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because gameday is the be all end all?

Not sure I get what you are saying. Is gameday what the umpires use to monitor the strike zone? Is that what MLB uses as their checks and balances?

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

is gameday 100% gauranteed accurate

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's usually quite close, but no

Harry P the pitch f/x guy could give a much better answer.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

then stop pointing to Gameday

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

funny

you were referring to the video when you talk about the “change in trajectory” of the ball that clearly misses Ryan Braun’s inflated head.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

video is video

or am I missing something?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

One is a close up of an event. The other is an estimation of whether a pitch is a strike from a camera mounted askew and elevated in the back of the stadium.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

so one video

is not video, but the other video is video, and we should selectively decide which video to trust and which not to trust? isnt that being prejudice against certain videos, which will make them upset and feel bad, leading to the million video march

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, he does have a valid point here

I’m not saying I agree with his conclusions — but the point is valid.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have been refering to

guidelines for an Ump, you seem to prefer to make up your own story.

An UMP is instructed to BACK AWAY, and NOT TO BE CONFRONTATIONAL. This Ump DID NOT do that.

A friend of mine happens to be an Ump in NCAA. He watched the footage and told me himself that this Ump was in the wrong. He did not follow the guidelines.

Is that enough for you, an Umps view on it:? I mean, he has only been umping for 20+ years, what does he know, right?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

meaning?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

where "did"

has the meaning of “the opposite of what he was supposed to do”.

It’s grand living in ol’ Pete’s world.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

because it's visual evidence?

I don’t think you should watch a game ever again. because what you are seeing isn’t quite true. Always trust a computer.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

a computer that humans enter the data into

after all, there will not be any human error that way

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

especially when humans input info into a computer

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey

When I suggest people look at the alternate view of the confrontation, people don’t do it. You can make ridiculous extrapolations, but the visual evidence doesn’t support all the crying and whining about injustice.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure why you even care about this issue.

Has NOTHING to do with your team. You didn’t see the game. You didn’t see the full at-bat. You look at a computer picture to tell us what is right and what is wrong. GO HOME.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bye.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And he did

http://www.cubsfx.com/2009/04/miltons-eye-is-too-good.html

As Harry said, it was technically within what is allowed as a strike. according to Pitch f/x. But I don’t think anyone would say a pitch three inches off the plate is a strike.

Also, the first called strike looked way lower than Pitch f/x shows. So either it dropped precipitously after crossing the front of the plate or something was off.

by redward on May 12, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

But was it 3 inches off the plate?

Using the CF cam is sure to give a distorted view. But thanks for posting that.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 inches is my guesstimate

Since the plate is 17 and the outside boundary is 24. 3.5 on either side and that ball was about a third over the line.

How does the CF cam distort the view (not picking a fight, genuinely curious)?

by redward on May 12, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

thought the call was bad

but there is a point that the center field cam does obscure the view since it is off to the side.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would assume they would correct for that

Since they’re using fancy compooters and all.

by redward on May 12, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

How could they?

Do a little experiment and put a ball just off the plate, clearly a ball. Then walk backwards and awayfrom the ball, the ball would appear to be over the corner, eh? It’s a perception thing, nothing they can do with a camera to negate that.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

zoom in

wouldnt that correct it, and arent the camera able to?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's still off center though

I don’t care how much they zoom in

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geometry

If you know the distance to the plate and the angle by which the camera is off, you can determine where the ball is.

Or something. Geometry was always my worst subject in math.

by redward on May 12, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats mathematical right

I was arguing against the visual evidence of watching the center field camera.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ohhh

I thought you were talking about Pitch f/x. I’ll go away now and think about what I’ve done.

by redward on May 12, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

I never said it was the be all and end all, but Drew’s claim that it was a terrible call is contradicted by the record. Video is a horrible way to judge. You don’t know where the ball was when it crossed the plate, the camera’s elevation and offset from center make the ball look lower and further away from the plate than it really is.

All I’m saying is that a pretty good record of the event shows it to be within the parameters of what MLB says is acceptable and the wailing and gnashing over a “terrible” call isn’t supported by the record. Drew is clearly pretty wound up.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're pretty clearly

trolling.

It was a bad call. At this point, I trust Bradley’s eyes over the Umps’.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you care about this so much?

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's trolling.

I should take my own advice and ignore him, but it’s very frustrating that a moderator of a division rival would come and troll here.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

with pure ignorance no less

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

everything it seems

you entire reason to be here seems to be to stir shit and troll. you are making arguments with false purpose and insufficient facts. you have made such great replies as “you are wrong” with no supporting facts or evidence. you say not to use a tool, that you continue to tell us to use at the same time.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially when the topic isn't related to his team.

If Bill Hall got thrown out of a game I really wouldn’t care what or how he did it. If he was up for a suspension I wouldn’t even care. Ridiculous.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

trolling?

Pointing out visual evidence? No matter how hard you try, you can’t overcome the facts.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're a Brewer fan...

You would NEVER agree with anything we are talking about anyway.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 12, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just catching up, but...

ol pete will never agree, not fair to say that’s because he’s a Brewer fan. Just seems that most Brewer fans that come to BCB come to stir the pot, ol pete especially.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 12, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

visual evidence

like video, that you said cannot be trusted

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

like visual evidence

of Bradley “behaving like a psychotic”? But visual evidence isn’t to be trusted when it goes against what YOU say.

You are a troll.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Recourse
Wrong. When an ump screws a call, the player should have recourse.

To what end? You seem to feel here that its always black and white, who is right and who is wrong and that the players, in the heat of a competitive game has the clear perspective to know when he is right or wrong. This isn’t the case. How many times have we seen a player or manager argue a ball or strike call or a safe or out call and find that the umpire was right? It happens all the time. So when you say that the player should have recourse and intimate that Bradley was right, you open up a can of worms that will lead to some very ugly behavior on the field. MLB and the Union should have (and I believe the do) some mechanism for dealing with evaluating umpires. Perhaps that should be modified, but giving players license to freak out whenever they wish just is not in the best interest of the game.

I understand why Bradley did what he did. I probably would have, too, but the ump then needed to kick him out of the game. What followed was extreme, however I do not believe that its right to give players free reign to unload on umpires.

by dmlichte on May 12, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

to the end

that the umps know that they made a mistake and work harder to get it right the next time. When a player breaks the rules, it’s all over the news.

We have the luxury of seeing games on TV as they happen, and instant replay, and we can SEE that the umpire is wrong in a way that a manager or player on the field cannot. I would presume that the appeals board has that same luxury.

I’m not intimating that Bradley was right — I’m outright SAYING it. The call was terrible, and then the Umpire was the one who initiated the contact.

I seek checks and balances. I don’t want the players to have unlimited behavior on the field, however, SOMETHING must be done about these umpires. Their terrible decisions are affecting the outcomes of games, and umpires are SUPPOSED to try to NEVER do that. They’re not play makers, they’re play CALLERS. Right now, umps seem more interested in being play makers.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok

Well while I prefer a sport where the umpires make the right call, I also prefer one where players are not constantly acting like two year olds. You decided not to respond to the bulk of my post, where I pointed out that players are often wrong in their opinions of ball and strike and safe and out calls and that allowing players free reign to act like children would not be good for the sport. But so be it.

by dmlichte on May 12, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I addressed it just fine

by saying:

I seek checks and balances. I don’t want the players to have unlimited behavior on the field, however, SOMETHING must be done about these umpires.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

but the point is...

… that by saying what Bradley did was okay, you’re allowing that unlimited behavior.

by dmlichte on May 12, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

not at all.

Bradley got thrown out of the game, and should have been. I’ve yet to suggest that Bradley should not have been thrown out of the game. The call was terrible — it was laughably, utterly, visibly, completely wrong — but it was the call, and that part of the game is over.

I am, however, suggesting that a two game suspension for this is another indication of how the umps are out of control.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most players also

deal with the press and their teammates expressing their fault in any mishap (error, strike out, etc). Umps hide behind a wall and you NEVER hear from them. I think if the Umps had to explain themselves to the press, that could force accountability.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

so would you agree that a one gamer would be appropriate?

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Half a game.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta pull him for Cliff in the fifth?

OK

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 12, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe on his groundouts, he can run half as hard

oh wait…

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let him play

but he doesn’t get a glove.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

he has to throw left handed

and play 3B

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

on his knees

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

With a uni two sizes too small.

Or big. Whichever’s funnier.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

clown shoes?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about with Erin Andrews on his shoulders?

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're right

then Roseann Barr

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats not fair to anyone

that is beyond cruel and unusual.

maybe he jsut has to listen to CDs of Gilbert Godfrey

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah she can sing and everyhing

thus being one of the coming signs of the apocalypse

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

She's definitely Famine.

Without a doubt.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Famine, are you sure?

nothing about her says famine, unless she ate all the food.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Per Wikipedia: “Famine is portly – riding upon a black, sickly horse – representing gluttony and hunger.”

Fits perfectly.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just got an image

of Roseann riding a black horse, I think that would make him sickly.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or a gimp.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cruel and unusual

only applies to government action.

MLB can do what they want. Bring on Roseanne.

by Arbusto on May 12, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you want Milton

to flat out quit baseball?

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?

We’ll get it to the point where Milton will go, “Jeez, just give me the day off.”

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did not mean to reply to myself.

And I realize by explaining it I’m doing it again and I’m okay with that. I’ll reach 20000 quicker that way.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

blindfolded

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

no.

He was thrown out of the game. Any suspension at all is too much.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry drew but disagree

What recourse does a player have to argue balls and strikes. None. You can’t argue balls and strikes even if it was a bad call.

my point with Bradley being that’s since he’s on the cubs we are getting worked up about the suspension. But if he was on a rival of ours, then we would say he deserved it.

He was right to argue, just not get in the face of the ump. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would not say he deserved it

I would say he got jobbed on the call. I want the game to be decided by the plays, not the refs.

And I’m not suggesting that the ump should have to reverse his call. There’s a difference between saying “Bradley should have gotten the call reversed” and “the ump overreacted by imposing a suspension for contact that took place because of the ump’s aggression.”

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry just don't see the umps "aggression".

Bad call, yes, but he was not the aggressor.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, I wouldn't say aggression

but the ump was acting out of place. He, as the official, is to be held to a higher standard of maturity and control than the players. It’s like this: hearing your friend say “shit” isn’t a big deal, but if the President goes on TV and says it the nation is shocked.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes,

if the umps makes the bad call and says at the same time You’re outta there Hothead. Then yes, he instigated it. But I don’t think that was the case. But if the player comes at you swearing and calling you names then I don’t see a problem with the ump responding in kind.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

not exactly the same thing

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know, but the comparison still stands.

The ump is meant to be the levelheaded protector of the game. I don’t have the rules on me but someone posted em after the incident which blatnatly states an ump must keep his cool in those situations.

A judge can hold someone in contempt. They don’t get off the bench and take a step towards the defendant.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

again

The ump turned toward an approaching player. He didn’t take a step toward him.

And I think the ump responded to Bradley, I think in an appropriate manner.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think

you’re wrong.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel

MLB agrees with us, otherwise MB would have completed his suspension by now

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

we'll see

If they repeal it then they see it as you do. If they lower it to 1 game, then I’m right. We’ll have to wait and see.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

we can agree to disagree then

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea

by suspending him or tossing him out of school

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

thing is

to be impartial is to call a game WITHOUT any ego. When the ump steps towards a player, barks at the player, or makes a judgement based on prior reputation, he is not officiating as an impartial judge. That is where the umps need to lighten up and do their job. To the ump every batter is named Joe Blow and Jon Doe is pitching

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Throw a guy out if he gets in your face, I’m totally fine with that. I’m not fine with the way some all but draw a line in the sand and tape their fists up.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe this link will help some

http://baseballumpires.com/index.cfm

1. Get the call right!

If you have to sell the call, then you probably didn’t get the call right. I don’t like hearing from association presidents “if all else fails, sell the call.” It is better to stop and discuss the situation with your partner, and even get the rule book out if necessary, and ultimately get the call right, then to decide something on the fly and have it come back to bite you in the end. Our job as umpires is to be the final authority during a baseball game, and that requires for you to get the call correct at all costs. Use your keys of understanding the rules, correct positioning and proper mechanics to put you in the best frame of mind and best position to make the call and to get it right.

2. Competitiveness

Accept the fact the every player is giving their maximum effort, you should too. Being lazy will let the game slip away from you. As an umpire you have to be willing to call the first pitch of the game the same way you call the last pitch of the game. If you don’t your going to be in trouble. Realize that every pitch means something to someone on that field, and it should be important to you also. That 0-2 pitch, in the bottom of the fifth inning, that is low and outside may mean you get to go home if you call it a strike, but it may be the only at bat this player gets all month long. If you call a strike because you want to go home, you have done yourself and those players a disservice, you should have found somebody else to do the game for you. That pitch is important to that player, and it should be important to you.

3. Every blue shirt doesn’t come with a license for respect

Just because you wear an umpire uniform doesn’t mean you deserve respect. You don’t deserve anything until you earn it. If you walk onto the field with the attitude that no matter what you call you are always right, then you do deserve something. You deserve to have that manager stapled to back riding you the entire game. Earn your respect with confidence, your knowledge of the rule, correct positioning, and proper mechanics.

4. Don’t be afraid to answer questions

Answer all reasonable questions with reasonable answers. If a manager has a reasonable question, then tell him why you made the call the way you did. Don’t allow a manager to use this chew on you, but use it as a tool to diffuse a situation and regain the confidence of players and managers. Remember, if you don’t give a reasonable answer your not going to get a reasonable response.

5. Don’t be the judge, jury and executioner

Your job is to umpire the game, not to pass judgment on individuals. Some players may not be the most outstanding of individuals, but don’t let that distract you from what your job is. Accept the players for what they are, baseball players, and do your job, umpire the game. Control the game as necessary, and never pass judgment on players.

6. Most importantly, leave the game on the field!

Once the last strike is called, leave the baseball game on the field. Use the situations that happened during the game to make you a better umpire by going back and reading your rule book or asking another umpire, but that is as far as it goes. Managers that ate you up during that game are just regular people outside the diamond, as are you. Don’t let a situation that occurred during the game relive itself somewhere else. Decide how the situation could have been handled better, learn from it, and let it go.

If you as an umpire can combine all these elements into your job, that is when you are a professional. We all have fell short at one time or another during a baseball game, but use those situations and these keys to continually improve as an umpire, and each time you walk onto the field think of yourself as a professional and your job as an umpire will become one that continually is filled with satisfaction.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, that's what I referenced above.

That spells it out pretty damn clearly.

Cheers.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

#5 and #6

seem to be the two missing in how this ump reacted with MB

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't

see how the ump instigated this whole thing. Nice link but Bradley acted just like his reputation and got treated as such. I don’t see the ump going out of his way to prejudge Bradley.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMO

here is a big part of why the MB hearing is carrying on so long

Accountability is a major part of sports, and there is not enough when it comes to umpires. Oh, they are graded more closely by supervisors than in years past. And teams have ongoing dialogues with MLB officials about umpires they deem to be less than satisfactory.

But job security is not high on the anxiety list for most umpires. Their union is too powerful, and MLB has allowed them to get away with too much.

Ballplayers screw up every day, and most of them are accountable when they do. But how many times do you hear an umpire say he blew a call? How many times do you hear an umpire apologize? How many times do you even hear an umpire?

Umps are not held accountable often enough. MLB and MLBPA might (for once) be trying to tear that wall down and actually have the ump held responsible for not doing his job correct.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tim

I’m with you in doing something to make the game called better. It was a really bad call.

Rarely do you here an ump admit a mistake, although it happen a couple of times. But then it’s the whole thing about if you admit your mistake on this one, then the next borderline call then the player/manager makes your call into question.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

which is part of being an Ump

admitting it to others or not does not change that managers will always question calls.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

as well they should!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm beginning to think

especially based on your comment about Bradley running above that you just don’t like Bradley.

Which means you’re falling into the same trap that the umpire did. You have to be able to evaluate the call impartially. And you’re not doing that.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are soooo wrong

I love the Bradley signing and think he is exactly what the Cubbies need. I think I am being impartial about the incident, that’s all.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

if that were the case

then you wouldn’t rag on his running.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was in a funny part of the thread.

And I love Aram, too but can’t I complain when he does the same with his grounders too? I still think Aram is the best player we got, even with his sometimes jogging.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley

was fighting a groin injury. Ever try to run with a groin injury?

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes I have

and not being paid millions to do it either. I think Lou said the same, if the player isn’t 100% then he shouldn’t be out there.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

Just because you wear an umpire uniform doesn’t mean you deserve respect. You don’t deserve anything until you earn it. If you walk onto the field with the attitude that no matter what you call you are always right, then you do deserve something. You deserve to have that manager stapled to back riding you the entire game. Earn your respect with confidence, your knowledge of the rule, correct positioning, and proper mechanics.

And this:

Your job is to umpire the game, not to pass judgment on individuals. Some players may not be the most outstanding of individuals, but don’t let that distract you from what your job is. Accept the players for what they are, baseball players, and do your job, umpire the game. Control the game as necessary, and never pass judgment on players.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Imagine there's not heaven....

Not the world we live in though

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

so

we shouldn’t expect the umpires to do their job?

This invalidates any complaint you may ever have about the Cubs bullpen in the future.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

okay so he made a bad call.

I’m with you if there was some mechanism for making the umps call a better game. Outside of the bad call, I don’t see the ump in the wrong here.

And what does this have anything to do with my opinion about the bullpen? I don’t think I have even voiced one here.

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

see the link

about the Ump (ironically was with MB as well) who was suspended for not difusing the situation

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/sports/baseball/27umpire.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/S/Schmidt,%20Michael%20S.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

important quote from the link
In baseball, the unwritten rule about arguments between players and umpires is that players can curse when describing the nature of calls they disagree with but cannot use curse words to characterize an umpire.

Winters appears to have turned that rule around on Bradley.

"He was substantially responsible for creating the situation," one of the officials said in a telephone interview. "The umpire’s role is to defuse on-the-field incidents when they happen, and in this case he escalated it."

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

So that quote would appear to be a good sign, no?

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by daver on May 12, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

it shows a perfect example

of an ump not difusing as they are to, and instead instigating

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

okay but in my opinion

doesn’t apply to the above situation

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

it does

the Ump in this hearing did not difuse, but rather turned towards the player.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

In that situation

he should force himself to become very interested in something other than the player. It’s the player’s job to argue bad calls, it’s the the player’s manager’s job to restrain him and argue for him if need be, and it’s the ump’s job to marvel at how blue the sky is.

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by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

be serious

If he didn’t look at Bradley, then people would be saying he disrespected Bradley by not talking to him. You can’t base your argument on him turning toward a guy acting like a psychotic.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Lot of hate there.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

They haven't done so well since he left.

So was it him? Or the team? Or both?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

According to Moneyball...

Macha wasn’t really doing much traditional managing, given how much on-field strategy was dictated by the front-office (relating to stolen Bases, batting order, bunting, etc.). So I think it’s hard to say what his impact was on their success.

(I’m not saying this as an argument for or against Macha, btw. In reading moneyball, I thought they made Macha pretty sympathetic. It just pointed out that he wasn’t “running” the team on the field.)

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 12, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of other examples from around the league...

Jenks as one example from the South Side. I’m curious how that will be handles. Quick, fair and decisive action from Comish Office would go a long way at cleaning this up.

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by MikeOxbyg on May 12, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Jenks didn't hit anyone

I hate the sox and that slithering Jenks, what he did was fine- what he said was just stupid.
Here is what you say Booby Jenks: “oops the ball slipped and i fired a 97 mph fastball behind him, didn’t mean to”.

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Needless

Jenks didn’t have to say a word really. There are three sets of people that would even consider questioning whether what Jenks did was intentional. The media, the commissioner’s office and idiot fans that haven’t figured out that there is a significant difference from their playing days in little league or high school and professional baseball. Everyone else knows that what he did was absolutely, unequivocally intentional.

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by krummy12 on May 12, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

The evil media asked him a predictable question to which he should have said: ‘oops’

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really like that he told the truth

I hate the MLB policy of manipulating players to lie.

by ol Pete on May 12, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's sporting, but probably not the best judgement

If he’s suspended, it won’t help his team.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish it was a 97 MPH fastball that hit him...

… but it wasn’t 97 MPH nor did it hit him. And then Jenks compounds it by saying he threw behind him. Stupid.

The Rangers and the Royals have been hitting the Sox with impunity. Padilla has a history of hitting Sox players on top of it. The only pay back is a weak, slow pitch behind the batters rear-end? AND then you admit it? Stupid

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by DrCrawdad on May 12, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The pitch was ok -- made the point and avoided a suspension

The admission was stupid

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's everywhere, drama in the NBA

Cuban vs Kevin Martin’s Mom vs Fans vs Kevin Martin vs NBA

Very glad the Cubs didn’t end up Cuban’s hands.

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by tony412 on May 12, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, talking trash to someone's Mom

Classy, very classy

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by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

AGREED!

Everyone wanted Cuban so badly. I can’t argue the fact that he is passionate and committed to trying to win championships, but that is just it…TRYING to win championships…he has never actually won. He is really just good for a whole lot of fines and childish behavior.

by murphymj on May 12, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Dempster bit is a joke.

And nothing was said about that shot Reed took in Milwaukee after robbing Fielder’s GS? Talk about blatant.

remember
Sammy Jankis

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions  

I think the Brewers just know that Brauns showboating

is asking for him to get thrown at, and they are probably taking this step to prevent us from throwing at him in the future.

by adam316 on May 12, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Kruk

said something smart last night: he said if you are on the road you might throw at someone just to get both benches warned and keep the other pitcher from pitching on the inside of the plate.

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

What difference does it make if it's home vs. road?

Hell, the home team pitches first — wouldn’t that make more sense?

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Umps seem more likely

To warn both benches on an ‘accidental’ plunking to calm a rowdy home crowd.
If the home team plunks the other team the warning might not come until the beanball from the visitors

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, I guess I can see that

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need an anti-umpire union

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 12, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks again Al - the Umps

are, unfortunately, hijacking the play from the players.

This was a heated topic of discussion immediately following the “Bradley Game”.

I am so tired of umpires in MLB making aggregious, or asinine rulings that change the outcome of a game. Further, the QUALITY of umpiring MUST improve.

While I am part of a Union, and am glad to be one, there are some instances that protect people when they have not “earned” the protection anymore. Some of today’s umpires should just retire! I’m not suggesting anyone (Joe West) – but some of these guys, just should not be behind the plate, or a base. The athletes are now fast, stronger, and more athletic than ever – yet the judgements are not keeping up. Replay, and a dramatic consistent strike zone, would really help things. EVEN if there is consistency for both teams. I find this to be rare.

As I stated when it happened, I sat within the first six rows behind home during Bradley’s at bat, and while I do not completely condone the outburst, it was disgusting to see an umpire at this level be so inconsistent behind the plate. One of these days, if things don’t change, Umps are going to get followed to their hotels or instead of people running out to tackle Bobby Howry, they’ll go after Tim McClellend! But NOT BRUCE Froemming! lol He’s with us!!

by The E-Man on May 12, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

On the Bradley incident, I'm inclined to your second view

i.e. that MLB is considering tossing the whole thing. Recall the incident earlier this year with the Angels in which Josh Beckett threw at Bobby Abreu. Abreu — still in the batter’s box! — raised his hands toward Beckett as if to ask “what was that?” Beckett then comes off the mound, spouting off, and eventually Joe West — one of baseball’s most notoriously combative umpires — ejected Torii Hunter, Justin Speier, Mickey Hatcher, and Mike Scioscia, yet not the guy who inflamed the situation by trying to get into it with the opposition batter. Days later, Beckett was suspended six games by MLB, sending a clear signal to West and his umpiring crew that they had also screwed up by letting the situation combust while failing to evenhandedly punish all parties concerned.

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by scareduck on May 12, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

It is clear to me...

… that many — not all, but quite a few — umpires are woefully undertrained for modern baseball.

Perhaps an offseason retraining course for these men is in order.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sympathetic...

to the notion that maybe the league can better train umpires. And I hope they do.

That said, I also find the expectation of total perfection that some fans have (and I’m not referencing you here, Al) to be silly.

Like other fields (Intelligence comes to mind), people need to have a realistic expectation that the nature of it means that there will always be missed calls and incorrect perceptions (even if we used computers instead of umpires, btw). Like everyone else, umpires are not omnipotent beings. They operate within the limitations of their own ability to perceive.

Keep trying to train them better so as to give them the best opportunity to utilize those perceptions, absolutely. But all in all, so long as the risk of a missed call is evenly distributed between each team, I don’t have a problem with the fact that missed calls always will be part of the game.

I don’t look at that risk as any different than the fact that changing weather can impact each team differently over the course of a game.

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 12, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mind if they miss some calls

I expect that to happen.

But instead of blaming others for their mistakes and issuing unncessary suspensions, it would be nice if they acknowledged those mistakes and pledged to do better.

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I agree with that.

I do kind of understand why they might not publicly acknowledge mistakes that often though. Similar to politicians, it may be a rational understanding that admitting the mistake does nothing to alleviate the criticism and instead just heightens it (fairly or unfairly).

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 12, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

all I ask is to call a fair game. If it is a strike for one, its a strike for all. I understand that there will be missed calls, but even the NBA’s refs can admit a mistake, why cant a MLB umpire.

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by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

suspension was reduced so he didnt miss a start

so it was totally worth it from Beckett/RedSox POV….

Basically what happens is Beckett gets charged next time they play- you know he is going to get close again

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

another reason why the DH sucks...

As many people have no doubt noted before, if Beckett had to bat himself he wouldn’t be able to get away with being a jerk.

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 12, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watson/Macha

Bob Watson has never impressed me as too cerebral.

Macha is engaging in gamesmanship. It’ll come back to bite him if the league makes comments about Johnson and Theriot getting hit. Either the Cubs don’t think that was an issue, or they’re being very smart by not spouting off.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions  

In this case...

… since the Brewers won the game and there were no further incidents, Macha probably should have kept his mouth shut.

It reminded me of the way Yost started to spout off last September just before he was fired.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yost spouted off long before that

He let TLR draw him into a beanball war in late 2007 and fussed over a one-hitter in 2008 instead of focusing on the task at hand. I miss Neddie . . . but maybe Macha is a dope, too.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

True on all counts.

It was the one-hitter I was thinking about, a ridiculous comment when his team was free-falling nearly out of contention.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was earlier, I think.

Wasn’t that in June or July? In any case, it was beyond absurd. Especially sending in the DVD to MLB.

A lot of baseball people questioned the timing of firing, but from a leadership standpoint, I think it was the right thing to do. Yost was tight and it appeared to have rubbed off on the team.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

The one-hitter was...

this game on August 31, Brewers vs. Pirates. As soon as Ned started whining, the Brewers lost four in a row and seven of nine.

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by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, ok. Don't know why I thought it was earlier in the year

Guess it’s because I’m used to foolishness from Yost all season long.

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by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Witt's article today says...
Bradley is expected to learn late today or Wednesday if his two-game suspension for an April 16 encounter with an umpire will be reduced.

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by carmen_fanzone on May 12, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, I know.....

Didn’t we have to wait a long time for another suspension? I’m thinking it may have been DLee’s, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was Ted Lilly’s. Or Lou’s.

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by carmen_fanzone on May 12, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

video?

is there video online anywhere of the dempster pitch? i missed the game…

I just want to laugh at Macha for a bit while sitting in the office…

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by bgsiggy on May 12, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

It's on the Other BCB

Here ya go.

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by Clutch16 on May 12, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

thanks!

ive been way too productive this morning…definitely time for some videos

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by bgsiggy on May 12, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

You touched on it in the title, Al

It’s about accountability; or in the case of MLB, lack-of accountability. Bud Light stuck his head in the sand when the steroids were a huge issue. The teams were making money hand over fist and its a primary reason why Bud Light continues to get his contract renewed.

On the “policing” of the league regarding bean-balls and arguments, MLB simply has not be assertive on their stance. By no means to I suggest they go out and make an example of anyone. We’ll let Roger – I think I’m God – Goodell to do that with the NFL.

All Bud Light and his cronies have to do is come out and rule on the situations you reference then state how the league going forward will be handling these situations. I don’t have an issue with coaches and managers asking to look into something. All the league has to do is rule on what is allowed. If it’s “nothing” then they must come out and say it.

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by blackhawk24 on May 12, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I trust that...

… MLB will say exactly that re: the Dempster/Braun incident, that it was “nothing”. Because it was.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dear Bud Selig,

Sincerely,
Santoswoodenlegs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 12, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

In my sad little dream world

Macha’s “investigation” results in an overturn of Braun’s HBP and the game gets replayed from that at-bat on, a la Pine Tar Incident.

Lesson: Don’t call for frivolous investigations unless you’re willing to eat the whole can of worms.

by redward on May 12, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Bradley Incident

I am wondering if the length of time here is because the Commissioner’s Office is considering reducing the suspension. This is a case where the umpire feels like contact was made and was violated in some way. So my guess (and its only a guess) is that the powers that be in the Commissioner’s Office are allowing the Umpire’s Union time to respond, or at the very least a heads up. I think its very possible that Watson and Co are handling this gently for the sake of peace w/ the Ump’s Union, which is not a bad thing at all.

by dmlichte on May 12, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

As I said...

… I think they may be considering rescinding it completely, and trying to figure out how doing that might affect future suspensions.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

"which is not a bad thing at all"

why should MLB have to kowtow to the umpires? I understand that you want to have a good working relationship so that game is orderly. However, that seems out the window already. Seems to me the best thing that could happen to MLB officiating would be for the umpires to strike and all be replaced.

by TC Cubby on May 12, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

they're not kowtowing

They’re consulting with the umpire’s union. They’re informing them that they are about to do something which will seem like a major slap in the face of the umpire’s union. If my supposition is correct (and it may not be), MLB is siding with someone who has a bad history with umpires. So you can call it kowtowing, I see it as preserving peace and allowing the umpire’s union to be heard on a situation that will not please them. There are a lot of egos involved here… why not preserve peace?

by dmlichte on May 12, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

two egos

and two unions. MLB is stuck in a pickle here

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

yup

So many of us are involved in occupations or other facets of life where red tape, egos and other random factors lead to delay, obfuscation and careful coordination of the parties involved. This is no different. I don’t see why the “delay” is a big deal.

by dmlichte on May 12, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any chance

that the league takes forever to review the Dempster/Braun situation because of Seligs connections to the Brewers, and him not wanting to lose face in the city he resides? Not saying that there is a conspiracy, but the longer it drags out, the less talk it gets, until it just disappears.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

BET A OLD STYLE ....

That this incident will drag on and on….Brewers Brass made a big thing of nothing at all….

by cubs north on May 12, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

how about I bet you a "N"

as in AN OLD STYLE not A OLD STYLE

sorry had to…….

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hear those sirens?

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

The one thing that really bothers me with the Bradley thing:

And this happens in many sports, WHAT TAKES SO LONG TO REVIEW A 30 SECOND VIDEO?

I can’t fathom how no decision has been reached yet. The only thing I can think of is they’re trying to come up with some way to uphold the suspension in some way that won’t make them look like idiots (impossible). Just freakin’ tell us already.

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by Schwa on May 12, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

its not the review

but the agreeance between MLB, MLBPA and Umpires Union that can prolong it

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a lot of other videos to watch maybe?

That Flea Market Montgomery guy is hi-larious!

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

NUMA NUMA!

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by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chocolate rain!

`

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by daver on May 12, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have you guys seen this one yet?

And I promise, I’m not rickrolling you. It’s awesome.

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by Schwa on May 12, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, that is pretty awesome.

I’d say those guys obviously have a lot of time on their hands, but they are sheepherders. Those dogs have, like, the best job in the world (for a dog, I mean.)

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by daver on May 12, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very slick

Pretty sweet video

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on May 12, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe they are stuck on the

Last Train to Awesome

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's all abaout...

… making the right decisions that make the most money. It’s not about the integrity of the game. Or the fairness… it’s not even about realizing that baseball is the greatest game on the planet. It’s just about making money.

If it was really about the love of the game, then there wouldn’t have been such a big steroid issue, amongst other things.

by TheHawkRules on May 12, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Its pretty dumb

What Macha did trying to get the league involved. Yeah, hes probably just standing up for his guy, but at the same time he makes himself and Braun look like a big cry baby. I will be very interested to see how this all gets resolved. The star players tend to get a bit of preferential treatment.

Braun made a statement the other day about his face being his livelihood…seems like he is bucking for a career in Hollywood after baseball. He’s making a great start as a melodramatic actor so far. People love to see Primadonnas go down.

by backtocali on May 12, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions  

if his face is his livelihood

shouldnt he be able to hit a ball with his face?

SARCASM

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh my god that is so much win.

As if I needed a reason to hate Braun even more.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Braun

is quickly becoming my least favorite non-Cub. Talented as heck with a terrible attitude.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 12, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I was Demp...

…I would nail him in the ribs sometime later in the season.

by TheHawkRules on May 12, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Least favorite non-Cub?"

So your list of least favorite baseball players begins with Cubs?

;)

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those names

shall remain nameless. For now, at least. :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 12, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Linky?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok; I'll have to check later

MLB sites blocked here.

If that’s really what he said, that’s . . . odd.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Braun: Man of the people

“If somebody throws at your face, that’s your livelihood,” Braun said. “I really don’t think that he did it intentionally, but if you throw at my face, you throw at my face. From everything I’ve heard, Dempster is a great guy and I highly doubt he did it intentionally. Regardless, it’s not fun.”

“I’m not even going to get into it at all. Not yet,” Braun said. “Once my house gets furnished, I’ll go kick it on the beach in Malibu for a while and be cool. Until then, I’ve got nothing to say.”

by redward on May 12, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, that

Well, in that case — face/head. . . yeah, ok.

Still, it wasn’t intentional.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey...

…why did Bradley get a two game suspension when the Mets manager got a one game suspension. Didn’t they do the same thing? Bill to bill contact?

by TheHawkRules on May 12, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Bill to bill contact?

for some reason that made me giggle

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

hur hur hur

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

In a duck's world, that means the date is going well.

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by daver on May 12, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

That can get

ugly.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ever notice the best Umps

you never hear their name once the game is over? The best umpires are “invisible” so to speak. And that goes for all sports.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

+everything

The best official is the one you never notice.

BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.

by neverAcquiesce on May 12, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT completely

1pm CT TODAY, the 1984 “Sandberg” game is on MLB Net.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

So your criticizing Selig for....

the fact that they may or may not overturn a suspension on a player who who definitely touched an umpire and the fact that they are honoring the request by a manager to look into an on-field incident.

Look I’m no fan of Selig or the front office in general but when I was watching the Bradley game live, I definitely thought he touched the ump and expected there to be a suspension. You don’t want to see contact so you’re not. Fair enough, but it’s not unreasonable in this case to sit a guy down who has had multiple incidents with umpires. We should just be glad Milton didn’t hurt himself in the process.

And who cares about the Macha thing. It has exactly zero effect on the Cubs. The umpire missed the call. He’s human. So let MLB look into and say there was no problem with what happened. They can’t really blow off a manager without at least looking into it. What else do they have to do all day?

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by TXCub on May 12, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

decide who to black out this weekend :=)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think this all goes back to incident in San Diego

Milton Bradley is a marked man NOT because he has a temper ( which he sure as hell does) but because HE GOT AN UMPIRE SUSPENDED ( while he lost his season). When umpire Mike Winters baited Bradley by among other things using expletives MLB suspended him in Sept of 07. I don’t even remember another umpire being suspended for an ON FIELD incident. I happened to see Tod Brownings’ FREAKS last night in NYC and I think the umpires are like that ," ONE OF US , ONE OF US". If you get one in trouble , they will ALL remember and get revenge. It would be nice if Milton could just hold it in and not give them an excuse to abuse him but I am not holding my breath.

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by Doggie Stalker on May 12, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

And this
not give them an excuse to abuse him

doesn’t sound at least a little corrupt to you?

by Allie on May 12, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is how I feel waiting for today’s pre-game thread. Cartman, you always say it best.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 12, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you gonna make it for 2 1/2 more hours?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he says, "no", do you post it early?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Sorry, no. I think 5:00 is early enough, don’t you?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be happy with 4.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

After the off day yesterday

a night game seems really really late.

by Allie on May 12, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it does.

By the time the game starts, it will have been more than 48 hours since the last one ended.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

there should be a law about that

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

indeed

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pity

Actually, doesn’t matter to me. After I leave work, it’s a rousing series of Strat-O-Matic for me . . .

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 12, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you post at 5pm

I get it at 3pm which means I get it 2 hours earlier than all of you! The joy of being on westcoast time. LOL (sarcasm) just in case some of you think I’m serious.

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by tucsoncubsfan on May 12, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's more that when the pre-game thread shows up...

…I can more easily procrastinate from my final exams. In fact, just don’t post anything tonight. That’ll help me.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 12, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can study till 5, then.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wah-hoo!

See ya then.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 12, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

that video makes me ill.

its called a tripod, buddy. a tripod.

by Allie on May 12, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cuz it's illegally up on YouTube. Not a direct rip from the show. I didn't want to spend time...

…finding it on the official South Park Studios website.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 12, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats why she screamed?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eric Gregg

All this makes me wonder what the league would have done to Lee Elia if his 1982 fight with Eric Gregg had happened today. I was at the game that day, and I’ve never seen two people get their faces closer together without kissing!

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on May 12, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Another ESPN criticism

I know this is off topic, but I was stuck watching ESPN 2 in my company’s gym this morning for 40 minutes (because someone else had the remote), and I have to say their morning show is a joke.

Imagine 40 minutes, almost without a break, of two guys talking about Roger Clemens and his supposed drug use. Interspersed with a lot of dull video of Clemens stretching his legs in spring training, and a phone conversation with an off-screen Clemens defending himself from the steroids accusations. Who needs so much of one thing?

When I came into the gym at 7:30, it was on, and the same drivel was still going when I left the gym at 8:20 after I got dressed. Who watches this garbage?

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on May 12, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Idiots who are too lazy to dig any deeper that headline type news.

The same type of numnuts who watch crap like Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, and CNN Headline News.

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on May 12, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Clemens should be a contestant on Dancing with the Stars- So Cool

Not

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't, I hear they drug test for the show. :P

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 12, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus

They would worry about the roid rage, like taking heather mills’ prosthetic limb and throwing it across the stage at Piazza in the audience.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

HEY! I like "Dancing With The Stars"

The other two shows can hit the trail, but any program that features young ladies in scantily clad outfits doing the Paso Doble can’t be all bad!

by CaliCub on May 13, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like DWTS

and Idol. Guess we can’t all be perfect like Itchy thinks he is.

by sue369 on May 13, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that MIKE & MIKE?

It’s a radio show…on TV. I don’t think their radio show is absolutely horrible by any means…but I can’t watch a radio show on TV, that’s just silly.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 12, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

radio show

I had the same thought. How can you have a radio talk show on TV? It just doesn’t work. Who wants to watch two guys talking to each other? It’s the same beef I have with CSN, which has changed what once was a fine morning Chicago sports news program into a talk show format. Even my 9-year-old son refuses to watch. He told me, “I don’t want to watch two guys yelling at each other.”

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on May 12, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

LINEUPS! Errr, now only if we had a pre-game thread...per Gordo
Lineup vs. Peavy: sori, riot, fuky, lee, milt, font, soto, miles, harden.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 12, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Lee is playing, yea!

I’d like to see Freel get a start at 3rd, must still be the hammy.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 12, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Selig

is typical of someone who feels he needs to compensate for his lack of self worth. That attitude permeates the commissioner’s office. Listen to Bud in an interview and he always insists on telling the us about all the great things that he has accomplished. He’s well past his time. Unfortunately he’ll probably select his successor and we’ll be in for 15 more years of nonsense like blackouts and $100 ticket prices.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on May 12, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

basically saying

dont say stupid stuff to the media

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by Andre Fonseca on May 12, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

had he actually hit the batter would have been worse

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 12, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

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