Umpire Contact - does Schreiber's gaffe now affect Bradley?
by socalbob on May 14, 2009 4:53 PM CDT
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Obviously a lot of debate surrounded Bradley's incident, some "heated" and some "black and white" (a rule is a rule). I think this recent incident between Magglio Ordonez and Paul Schreiber will negatively impact Milton Bradley. I believe that Bob Watson was really thinking of reducing the penalty to ZERO games and levying a fine. However, with an umpire touching a player, he will be forced to suspend MB. Why? Because I believe the ump will most definitely get suspended. Depsite Leyland's posturing, Bob Watson is going to have to suspend him. You cannot have umps touching players. Period. Schreiber says he inadvertently placed his hand on Ordonez--I say B.S.--he knew what he was doing. Joe West, the vet ump, didn't even really take Schreiber's back on the matter.
Both of these issues stem from some questionable calls. Whatever happened to letting a player speak his peace and move on? Both Bradley and Ordonez were not enraged, screaming, yelling, and dirt-kicking maniacs. I don't think these episodes happened to Dutch Rennert and Doug Harvey (Zeus), much less today's Tim McClellan. Time for today's umps to take a glance back at some of the previous legends. The best umpires are the one's you don't even remember doing the game.
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How will we know
if Schreiber gets suspended?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
You won't. They will say he is on vacation or something. The sad part is that neither of these incidents
should have been given a second thought. Everyone seems overreact to anything now. There really was no intent in either situation, but the precedent has been set and MLB can’t back track. It’s all really kind of silly.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 14, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
MLB fails at transparency
They broadly publicize a player being suspended, but won’t be honest about an umpire getting docked. I am not an ump hater, but I think it would do the game good. Get some stuff out in the air. I am sick and tired of seeing an umpire stare at a player as they are walking back to the dugout. To me that is provacative. If you want to kick a guy out, do it. Otherwise look out towards the pitchers mound. You invite more confrontation by trying to stare a player down.
Milton brings it on himself
I think Milton is right. MLB doesnt like him and i dont know why he would think they should. He is a show boat. He calls it passion. I call it B.S. He is a B.S player. I love the Cubs but this guy Milton Bradley is crazy. Crazy. If you dont want to talk to media then dont talk. Shut up and quit crying. If he wants people to stop picking on him and respecting him. He needs to give them something to respect. MB is a joke.
If you have to eat sh*t, take big bites!
I guess leading the AL in OBP last season
was not a reason to respect him?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Crazy?
He didn’t want to talk to the media.
He didn’t talk to the media.
Then he was reminded that he was expected to talk to the media.
He began to talk to the media.
Show boat?
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
yup Crazy! Show Boat!
“i dont really play baseball, I feel it.”
“I’m Milton Bradley”
i"d rather have Bobby Scales! You want to talk about a guy whos feeling it, it’s him.
Milton doesnt play with heart he plays with anger.
He has problems every where he goes because he is an assh*le. He always has been and always will.
If you have to eat sh*t, take big bites!
That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it...
So good that you are a mind reader. You will have problems here b/c you obviously don’t think baseball, you feel superior to anyone that doesn’t toe whatever imaginary line you have drawn. MB didn’t have problems in SD, he didn’t do more than protest a play. MB didn’t have problems last year in Texas either. By your logic, Lou doesn’t manage with heart, he manages with anger. Lou was one of the biggest hotheads in the game until he came to Chicago; but he has changed. So Bradley can’t change? If you are going to post inane comments about someone you obviously don’t know much about, then don’t bother. No one wants to hear it. Go kick your dog, and spare us please.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on May 14, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 recd
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Watch your language, please.
Putting asterisks in your profanity doesn’t cover it, either.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
this is asinine
you are probably one of those people who believes everything they see on T.V.
Funny the way it is, how a kid walks ten miles to school while another is dropping out
Personally...
…i think the ump should be suspended. If ball players and managers get suspended, and if the rulebook says “no contact,” then that should be the end of the discussion. This could open a large can of worms if the ump doesn’t get into trouble.
Sorry...
Whatever happened to letting a player speak his peace and move on?
You cannot argue balls and strikes. Looked like Bradley was screaming or yelling at the ump. And there was contact. One game sounds just right for him.
And I don’t see how one thing has anything to do with the other.
AS for the Magglio thing, I agree it was BS about the inadvertent touch. He totally meant to usher him off towards the bench. But even Leyland doesn’t want to see the ump suspended for it. I can see the ump getting a one gamer. Either way, I’m sure he won’t do that again.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
the contact
was made by the umpire. Not Bradley.
If the rule is “no contact”, the rule has to be “no contact”. You cannot give the Umps leeway without giving the players the same leeway.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 15, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
the contact
was made by Bradley. not the ump.
I know he’s our player, but I’m not a homer and can see things objectively.
And I think I stated I can see the ump in the Maggs incident getting a one gamer also.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
no
the contact was not made by Bradley. I see things objectively. The Ump made the contact by turning to face Bradley and leaning in.
But I’m not arguing this anymore. He made his appeal, and the suspension was reduced.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 15, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
You seemed to want to keep this going this morning
Bradley approached and made contact. Turning from the ump does not mean leaning.
But I do agree with one thing with you now, let’s drop it. Last word…me. :)
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
doesnt matter
Vanover LIED in his report of the incident, stating that Bradley made INTENTIONAL CONTACT. that IMO is a bigger issue than who made the contact. There is no way either of them made intentional contact, that was about as unintentional as it can get.
that being said, where does MLB draw the line? if the ump flat lies and nothing comes of it, then there is a much bigger issue. and regarding Schreiber’s gaffe, I would like to know if he says that his contact to Maggs was unintentional to keep pace with Vanover.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Yes, you can
Authority figures have different rules. Now, they should be held to THOSE rules, but it’s idiotic to say they have the SAME rules.
Leyland acted like a stupid fool. He acted like the ump ripped Ordonez’ heart out and showed it to him. Get over it.
Magglio had his say and needed to get off the field.
In no other sport do you get to so openly question the calls. Players should get down on their knees every day and thank God they get to what earns technicals and penalty flags in other sports.
I’m in favor of arming umpires, myself. That would stop this crap.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
the rules state
no contact. NO CONTACT NO CONTACT NO CONTACT.
Period.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 15, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus Leyland afterwards said the ump shouldn't be suspended.
He was protecting his player and that is exactly what he should do in that situation.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Protecting his player from what?
Leyland acted like an idiot. I can see coming out and making your point to the umpire but please. I do agree that no contact should work both ways and Schreiber should be suspended for a game; fair is fair. However, I don’t think he had any bad intentions by putting his hand on his back. For the record, I used to coach high school baseball and I currently umpire and officiate basketball, so I can see this issue from both sides. I would never touch a player while officiating because people are so hypersensitve anymore. I also don’t understand why baseball coaches feel like they have a God given right to act like idiots and complain and argue incessantly. We don’t tolerate it in basketball; when they cross the line, they get a T. People expect baseball umpires to just take it all day because “it’s part of the game.” The only time I had discussions with umpires when I coached is when I felt they had a rule wrong.
You can argue balls and strikes
it just doesn’t do any good, and will likely get you thrown out.
by chitownhawkeye on May 15, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
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