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ESPN had this up on their website: Marlin's rookie Chris Coghlan was upset with a Brewers fan in Milwaukee who caught his first home-run ball .

After giving the fan a signed bat and taking photos with him, Coghlan says that the fan tried to extort tickets, signed gear from Hanley Ramirez, and more.

At least to my reading, the fan sounds like a real jerk-off...

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was it Ol’ Pete?

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by drewishdrewid on May 15, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

They just re-banned you in absentia from the Evil BCB for saying this.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on May 15, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

imagine

my heartache.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on May 15, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, wait

I had a burrito for lunch. That’s heart-BURN.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on May 15, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn jalapenos

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 15, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is wrong.

that fan is a bad example of a MLB fan in general.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 15, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Figures.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 15, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

The comments from the article

make it seem pretty clear that people that personally know this “fan” understand that he’s a huge tool. Give him the ball back, if he gives you something in return, even better.

Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...

by PacificCub on May 15, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

where are the Brewer fans who like to post here from time to time

I am curious their thoughts about this

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 15, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm sure it's not something they're proud of

I certainly don’t see why a Brewer’s fan would even feel the need to comment on something like this. Not like they need to apologize to baseball fans everywhere because one lousy excuse for a human happens to be a Brewer’s fan. I’m sure they all know it’s despicable and wouldn’t come to the guys defense or anything. It’s not an event indicative of being a Brewer’s fan.

by ScottT on May 15, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not saying they are proud

but when they ripped into Cub fans as they have, I am curious to their thoughts only, nothing more.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 15, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

This made it on ESPN

Didn’t read the article so this may have been covered:

-He’s a “professional” home run catcher. He caught I think over 40.

Obviously he goes park to park and buys seats to specifically do that.

While it’s cool to travel during the season to see different games and parks, this hobby I think makes his borderline loser. In fact, I’m annoyed I spent 1 minute writing about him.

by ak123 on May 16, 2009 1:05 AM CDT reply actions  

The "Fan Strikes Back."

It’s really rather funny, if you step back from it. Extorting a rookie who doesn’t make quite as much as everybody else is a bit tacky — but, let’s say…back a few years…and this was a “record” HR ball……what would you think, then?

And, this would be not knowing what you know now. I think many people would be looking for a pay day…

Just sayin…..

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 16, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

And now, the other side of the story:

Here’s a blog post by the fan in question. Personally, I don’t think his requests are that crazy. That ball is his, he has no obligation to give it back, but he still wanted to. He knew it was the kid’s first homer, requested an authenticator to come and confirm it, but they never showed. I won’t keep going because it’s explained in detail in that link, but he really just wanted 2 bats and a ball, which in the grand scheme of things isn’t that big of a deal for a major league franchise.

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by Schwa on May 16, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow, is that a self-serving piece of crap post.

What’s the deal with the Hanley Ramirez bat? Ramirez had nothing to do with Coghlan’s homer. Sounds to me like the guy was headed to eBay with that bat.

He really ought to just shut up.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 16, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Further...

…. I would like to hear from our own ballhawk about this issue, because he caught a first ML home run from a Marlin back in 1993 by Mitch Lyden. (In fact, note, Ken sponsors that page.)

Ken ought to have some real good insights into this.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 16, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

It really bothers you that he wrote that post explaining his view of it?

He’s been taking a lot of heat for this situation, the man at least deserves a chance to defend himself.

And as SDSJM said above, what if this was a milestone home run ball? Would people be judging him if he decided to sell it? It was clear from the get go that he was going to give the ball back to Coghlan. As a collector, he just wanted a few things in exchange. Is getting one of Hanley’s bats really that big of a deal? Coghlan even had to ruin the picture they were taking. And the Marlins sent out a psychologist? This seemed like a simple exchange – ballhawk gives ball with incredible sentimental value, Marlins give 2 bats and a baseball, <$100 value to a multi-million dollar business. The assertion that he’s going to eBay with it rather foolish if he’s actually a collector like he says he is.

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by Schwa on May 16, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't "defend" himself.

He was self-serving and defensive, acting entitled. I thought it was extremely rude, actually. He caught a baseball, and acted like the Marlins owed him something. If he had a better attitude about it, I suspect he’d have been treated better.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 16, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I said...

… I’d like to hear Ken’s viewpoint. I’ve emailed him and asked him to post here when he has time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 16, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

did you read the comments there?

this one stood out to me quite a bit

Alex, I have been going to Brewers game for about 20 years now. Me and plenty of others have been attending Brewers game and have seen this guy at the ballpark since before you were born so who are you to question anyone who we think they are.

As for the media, they tend to wanna dig up more dirt on players than wanna save/protect them. It was not a pro athlete bias. Its more a bias against the “why the heck does someone who practically did nothing now feel so entitled” Coghlan has worked a bunch of his life to get to that point. And Youngster is QUOTED on tv that he wanted Hanley stuff in return. So for catching a current nobodies first HR ball he wanted a signed bat of a potential HOF’er which would more than likely be worth a $1000 or so. If he asked for Coghlan gear/bats/autographs and such he’d not be getting as much grief as he is now.


Youngster may not be crushing babies, but go look at his “The Catch” youtube video. Didn’t seem like he cared the most for the suntanning lady did he? His knee only missed her by a few inches, she moves any and it don’t look good.

And my words of advice Alex, don’t say you are 13, at this point of your life it does more against you than it could do for you.

then this one

Also, you need to correct your article. The ball was not for Coghlan’s personal collection. The ball was actually for his mother as a gift of appreciation. I know this fact makes you seem like a worse person, but you gotta be accurate here.

and this might be the best IMO

You say that Craig Minervini was “the only respectful Marlins employee in this whole ordeal” but your own post also indicates that bullpen coach Steve Foster was extremely respectful in his interactions with you. Maybe you should change your post to reflect that.

It seems evident from the pictures that you had taken with him that the reason you are so enamored of Minervini is that he put you in the spotlight (however small a spotlight it actually is) by making you the subject of an interview, thus feeding that massive ego you’re toting around. Seriously, try taking a picture that DOESN’T prominently feature yourself in it every now and then.

Also, can you explain what the Marlins’ justification for not giving you the Ramirez bat was? The noticeable lack of detail regarding their explanation makes me suspect that they had a very good, reasonable one, and you just prefer not to acknowledge/admit it.

It’s a shame that they accused you of switching the balls but frankly, given your general approach to this whole “ballhawking” subculture, I wouldn’t put you above doing exactly that. Your goal is to give yourself every advantage in pursuit of the best possible paraphernalia, right? If you’re willing to lie about being a Marlins fan in order to get a better souvenir, why wouldn’t you be willing to lie about which ball was the homerun ball in order to keep a better souvenir? After all, come on people “it’s [your] hobby.”

Finally, in answer to your hypothetical question: Yes, squeezing an organization for exactly what a rookie player’s first homerun ball is worth to him might be justifiable in the context of pure economics. But on a human level, that still doesn’t make it a decent thing to do.

and it seems he has had similar problems bbefore

I sided with you in the Geoff Jenkins flap, but this is different. Do you have the right to ask for the moon? Absolutely. SHOULD you? Absolutely not. Coghlan is just some scrub who might end up having a cup of coffee in the majors. Put yourself in his place. The years and years of dreaming about making it to the bigs, the hard work, the luck factor. It means way more to him than you. Just do the decent thing and hand it over for nothing. What if you found the wallet of a rich guy? Would you say, “Hey, you make a mill a year and I only make 50k. If you want all your IDs and cards back it’ll cost you 20k to avoid the hassle of replacing everything.” I hope you wouldn’t. You’re not a kid anymore, so stop acting like one.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not so much on the wallet analogy:
What if you found the wallet of a rich guy? Would you say, "Hey, you make a mill a year and I only make 50k. If you want all your IDs and cards back it’ll cost you 20k to avoid the hassle of replacing everything." I hope you wouldn’t.

Surely you see the difference between finding someone’s wallet (which still belongs to the person who lost it) and catching a baseball (which belongs to the person who catches the ball).

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by Schwa on May 17, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was a quote

not my own words. do I see the difference, yes

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think that would help here.

I’d rather not comment on the person and just focus on what was requested for the ball. To me, the total requested seems like it’s pretty low cost to the team. But someone with ballhawking experience could shed some light here.

by DudeVf11 on May 17, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

what a jerk.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on May 18, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

This might be the worst human being ever

What a piece of crap. I would like to punch him right in the face.

Hey the Cubs are good again! This will be a good test of a sig jinx.

by nji232 on May 16, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

My vote for worst human being ever

is Hitler

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on May 17, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hitler is fourth.

Stalin, Lenin, and Marx are tied for 1st.

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by Goodie1969 on May 17, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

funny to mention Hitler in this

since this is what he said about Wrigley Field (from a commentor on his (Happy’s) blog)

An addendum. Out of curiosity, I decided to read your Wrigley Field 4/21/09 blog. How seriously am I supposed to take someone’s professionalism who calls baseball ushers “Nazi’s” and thinks they are in the “Gestapo”, bragging how you “beat the system” describing how proud you are to sneak into seats you didn’t pay for.

and here is the link where he compares Wrigley to Nazi Germany, and mentions that the give away (Z No HItter) was “This worthless thing…”

http://thehappyyoungster.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/04/42109_wrigley_field.html

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Without Stalin

We don’t defeat Hitler.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on May 17, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure...

that the 43 million people Stalin had killed find much comfort in that. (Not including the inflated casualties the Soviets took because of Stalin’s moronic tactical requirements).

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 17, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

well yeah

Stalin and Hitler both suck more.

Hey the Cubs are good again! This will be a good test of a sig jinx.

by nji232 on May 18, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

What kind of stuff is he expecting?

I guess I don’t know how it is even a milestone. This guy may not ever hit another homerun. Take a few trinkets in return and shut up! It it were #74 of a season, yeah, you got something there. But, the first homerun ball of a rookie is special only to the player. Unless, you have some inside knowledge the guy is targeted for the HOF.

by Nibbles on May 16, 2009 11:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Once again, this is proof

That the loudest arguments take place over the smallest things.

I personally wish more players were like Roger Maris. The fan who caught #61 offered him the ball and Maris told him, “Nah, you try to make some money off it. It’s yours.”

Then McGwire came along and the Cardinals announcers continually acted as if fans were farting on the Baby Jesus if they didn’t immediately hand over the balls.

Just one more reason why Maris is still the HR champ.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on May 17, 2009 7:33 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

this should not be a conversation ANYWHERE, but the inconsistant story from this guy on the blog is what keeps it alive

that and boredom on a Sunday morning

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's the fans ball.

i have no problem with what he did. Sure it would have been nice to turn it over without asking for anything in exchange, but that’s his choice. Plus what does it hurt to sign a couple baseballs and get him some free tickets?!?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 17, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I actually posted this link 'cause I was hoping there'd be disagreement over it.

So I’m glad you posted that.

To my mind, I agree that it’s the fan’s ball and he could do whatever he wants to. I don’t think he has an obligation to give it to the player. But I can still judge the guy’s character that he would try to leverage something that has little actual value to him (but has huge sentimental value to someone else) in order to get extensive benefits to himself simply because the opportunity presents itself.

The idea that we have the right (legal or otherwise) to do something doesn’t mean that we are morally obligated to do it. In other words, you might have the right to be a jerk, but that doesn’t mean that you aren’t in fact being a jerk.

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 17, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 18, 2009 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with you on the legal right vs. moral obligation.

For me I sorta think both sides are being jerks about it. How hard is it for a major league baseball player to sign some stuff and get him some free tickets?! Not hard at all, even if you are a rookie.

If you demand that someone gives you something that isn’t technically yours, how can you be surprised if they ask for something in return. If Coghlan just swallows his pride and gives the fan what he wants, this is never a story.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 18, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

his story is full of bs and holes

for example

…I christened a new “CUBS SUCK” ball. (For those who do not know, the CUBS SUCK ball is used as the throwback ball when an opposing team hits a home run to me). I keep the real game home run ball and throw back the CUBS SUCK ball.

later followed by

…Media Relations Manager Marty Sewell.

Marty was all smiles at first. Until he opened his mouth.
His first words, you ask??

“You better not be jerking us around.”
“Is this the real home run ball?”
“Why did you have another ball in your hand when you made the catch?”
“This isn’t the home run ball.”

My response, you ask?

“Sir, this is the real home run ball. I can’t explain why I had another ball in my hand. Actually, I don’t even remember having another ball in my hand when I made the catch.”

I didn’t realize it until I saw the replay.
Either way you look at it, I was being accused of swapping out the baseballs. Real classy on their part. That’s NOT how you start a negotiation with someone.

Take a look at how ol’ Marty’s tune changed in the following pics…

so he keeps a ball to swap and throw, and is unaware of why the camera would catch him with more than one ball?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow. This guy is a total tool.

by worldcupfever on May 17, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I have never had the good luck to catch a milestone HR ball

but in my mind I have always kept the notion that I would like to hand it to the hitter personally and get a photo with him and me handing him the ball, that’s it.

Yes, you catch a ball, it’s yours. But a milestone ball is something special and if the team/player offers something as a token, then I probably would take them up on it.

That being said, I am human and if I ever caught a major milestone ball, I don’t honestly know what I would do.

This kid is a ballhawk and his blog is strictly about his ballhawking. I guess I would have to say, act like you’ve caught a milestone ball before. He sucks the spirit out of catching a HR ball, something that 99.9% of all fans will never do.

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by BigJohnAZ on May 17, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

If i read the blog comments correct

this ballhawk is also a Cop. Not with his ethics and morals in this, how would he be when it comes to making a moral and ethical decision on the job?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions  

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