Could we "Woody" Rich Harden?
by Cub Style on May 17, 2009 4:00 PM CDT
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The definition of "Woody"- Moving a career starting pitcher with electric stuff and injury problems to the pen.
Harden out of the pen would increase his velocity, but he will need to learn to get ready faster and pitch often. Then again that did work pretty well for Woody. I mean this just came to me out of the blue, I honestly don't think it will happen, especially mid-season, but it's an idea. Thoughts?
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Not for a long time
Barring any sort of injury.
Harden is much more valuable as a starter at this stage of his career.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 17, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Someday perhaps
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by Zeke on May 17, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What, you mean
Continually send him to doctor after doctor, spend tons of money and HOPE he wins 11 games?
God, I hope not.
Bleep Wood. I’m tired of the hero-worship for a mediocre, oft-injured player who had one great day.
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by Worf on May 17, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well hey...
The only time Billy Beane ever “lost” a deal involving someone big was with Hudson. So the odds are against us.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 17, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane
You think trading McGwire to the Cards was good for the A’s?
by lookingdeadred on May 19, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had many, many great days.
Sandy Koufax couldn’t have won 15 games for some of those lousy Cubs teams.
In 2001-2003, Kerry made 28, 33 and 32 starts, with ERAs of 3.36, 3.26, and 3.20, and striking out 217, 217, and 266 batters. While earning $1.9M, $3.6M, and $6.1M.
He won 12, 12, and 14 games in those seasons, thanks to horrific bullpens and awful run support. In ’02, he managed to go 12-11 despite being generally awesome in 33 starts and striking out over a batter an inning. If Woody catches even a few bounces, he easily could have won 20 in one of those years.
In 2003, he led the league in fewest hits allowed per 9 IP, and most K per 9 IP. 14-11.
Wood is #2 in the history of the game in strikeouts per inning. #2. He’s #1 among active players, and #7 all-time, in fewest hits allowed per inning.
The weird “sour grapes” animus on this site about Kerry Wood and Mark DeRosa is silly and unbecoming. Kerry Wood lived for this team, and as often as not, they let him down.
Seriously. “Bleep Wood”?! “Mediocre”? Bite your tongue.
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by D98 on May 17, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 17 recs
i like this post...
but i wouldnt have paid him his quota
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
by fischisgod on May 17, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said, mate
Also, I really fail to see any “hero-worship” in the original post…
by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 17, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+34
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it again
Wood’s gone. He plays for someone else now. He cost this team a boatload of money to sit in doctor’s offices and on training tables.
I’d take DeRosa back in a heartbeat. Wood can stay gone.
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by Worf on May 17, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't completely agree -- because of one statement
“Sandy Koufax couldn’t have won 15 games for some of those lousy Cubs teams.”
The 2001 Cubs and the 2003 Cubs had guys who won more than 15 games — Lieber in 2001 and Prior in 2003. I’d say Koufax was better than both those guys. And both teams won 88 games.
No dispute that the 2002 Cubs were awful.
Other than those three years, Wood never really pitched a full season. He missed September in ‘98, all of ’99, and good chunks of 2000, 2004, 2005 and 2006. I’m not counting 2007 or 2008 because he never made a start.
Don’t get me wrong — I don’t agree with a “bleep Wood” mentality, and I was very sad to see him go. But dismissing his low win totals as mere products of bad teams isn’t accurate.
by elgato on May 18, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also ...
I don’t think “catching a few bounces” would have made him go from 12 to 20.
by elgato on May 18, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few bounces might not have, but...
… a better bullpen might. Wood should have won 19 games in 2002; that team had a horrendous bullpen. For details see this post I wrote in 2005.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 18, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't about Wood
It’s about the idea of converting Harden as a closer.
Andy R.
by WindisBlowingOut! on May 19, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would a Wookiee,
an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!
But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!
Look at me. I’m a lawyer defending a major record company, and I’m talkin’ about Chewbacca! Does that make sense?
Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you’re in that jury room deliberatin’ and conjugatin’ the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must keep Rich Harden in the starting rotation!
The defense rests.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 17, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ManBearPig
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 17, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denny Crane.
Never lost, never will.
by trefrog66 on May 18, 2009 5:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he gets told by a doctor he shouldn't be a
starter anymore, then sure. Thats why they moved Woody.
But getting 170ish IP is more valuable than getting maybe 70 from a closer.
by Allie on May 17, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
But when you have bullpen woes and a soild guy to replace him is it really the same?
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 17, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no.
Starting pitchers who take the ball every five days are worth WAY more than relief pitchers. Gregg will be fine.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 18, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 18, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
This about sums it up, and succinctly, too.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 18, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too will rec Allie
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 18, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can unred if you wish
to take the green away
:=)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 18, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tres rec'd.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 18, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaannndddd...
… four.
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by AndrewJStone on May 18, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This really is the issue. The
Wood transition was because his arm couldn’t go 100 pitches at a time, but could withstand lighter daily use.
Until someone determines such a factor with Harden, why wouldn’t he start?
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on May 18, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 18, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like this guy's injuries will just go away. His mechanics are atrocious.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 17, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They are?
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by dat cubfan daver on May 18, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First I've ever heard of him having bad mechanics.
by Allie on May 18, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same here
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 18, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I asked the Google...
…and found a couple recent (2008) studies of Harden’s mechanics. Both point a few improvements could make, mostly in an effort to curtail his oft-discussed shoulder problems, but neither describe his mechanics as “atrocious.” If Cub Style would like to elucidate on his remark, I’m guessing many of us would be all ears.
Oh, and here’s a Hardball Times article from ’07.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 18, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goggle Schmoogle
dont you know that if someone says its true, that the rest of the internet is wrong
**SARCASM
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 18, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris O'Leary is the expert
http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/ProfessionalPitcherAnalyses/RichHarden.html
This man actually works with an MLB team.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 18, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey!
That’s where his game-day pic comes from!
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 18, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's such a nice looking guy
why on earth did they pick the one where it looks like his neck is broken!
by Allie on May 18, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have asked the same question.
Haven’t gotten a response.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 19, 2009 4:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mystery solved!
And the photographer would’ve gotten away with it if not for you meddling kids!
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by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's one of the links I posted above.
And, again, nowhere in that article does he label Harden’s mechanics “atrocious.” Naturally, he suggests a couple of improvements related to Harden’s shoulder problems, but even those seem somewhat speculative. I’m not saying Harden’s mechanics are perfect, but I think “atrocious” is way too strong. I’d like to see an updated study based on his 2009 mechanics.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the word choice.
But if you look at pitchers with terrible mechanics, Prior, Carpenter, etc…, they have around 3-5 flaws. Harden has 3, 2 of which I would file as serious.
His ’09 mechanics are the same. But him dumping the split will help his injury problems because that can cause stress on the inner bone in the arm, the radius, and the ligaments in the elbow.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 19, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So say some people
That dude Chris O’Leary, linked a couple times here, thinks Prior’s mechanics were flawed.
I don’t claim to know how to evaluate that myself — I can’t even evaluate running mechanics, and I’ve run thousands of miles in my life. O’Leary’s analysis at least goes into some detail, has some theories and makes predictions based on them, whereas the most I ever heard about Prior from most people that said he had good mechanics is that he “looked fluid”.
by aldimond on May 19, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes research
I don’t consider myself an expert or anything, but I think I have a pretty good understanding of the subject. I’ve read O’Leary, Dr. Mike Marshall, Dick Mills, and a few other “internet gurus”. I know common and serious flaws, and the “proper” way to throw. Of course there are unorthodox methods to it, like Lincecum.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 19, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi, Tom House!
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 19, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mechanics
What exactly do you see as wrong with Harden’s mechanics? Could you break his delivery down and explain what he is doing wrong?
Now if you want bad mechanics, look at Wood. BTW, the so-called experts said Prior’s mechanics were excellent and how did that work out.
by lookingdeadred on May 19, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
Flies open with his glove on the follow through, opens his hips WAY too early, and he long arms(just as bad as Prior’s short arming).
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 19, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad mechanics
like beauty are in the eye of the beholder. When Harden came up “experts” raved about his mechanics. How smooth his delivery was, how effortlessly his fastball clocked in in the high 90s. “Experts” said the same thing about Prior when he came out of college. I think a lot of the comments about flawed mechanics came about only after they started to suffer injuries. Then all of a sudden their mecahnics are flawed.
by lookingdeadred on May 20, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this post is why
because Wells had two good games?
Honestly, who replaces Hardens 5-7 innings every start?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The amount of gun-jumping
and hasty conclusions propagated by some members of this board is ridiculous. If any of them ever managed a real team, it would be a train wreck.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 17, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's honestly just a thought. Something to toy with.
Read this while you’re at it.
http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/ProfessionalPitcherAnalyses/RichHarden.html
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 17, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's interesting
But at the same time, there’s no use doing anything unless you have to do it. There was no other way Wood was going to continue his big-league career unless he became a closer.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 17, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least there isn't hostility anymore haha
Like I said it’s something to toy with. Hypothetical.
Think if Wells could at least post a 4.5 era and win 10 games we’d have a solid 5. Harden’s fastball would be 95-98 and he could be a down right dominant closer.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 17, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, maybe someday
Harden will be a closer. But not anytime soon. And putting that much faith in Wells after such a limited sample size is folly, I think.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 17, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Whew*
I was worried for a minute then I realized it’s the same doofus who’s predicting Steven Strasburg’s imminent demise.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on May 18, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what people said about Mark Prior doofus.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 18, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Because once Rich Harden gets a couple innings in his control gets sketchy.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 17, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you lack a certain thing to a suggestion
a replacement. you suggest Harden should be moved to the pen, who starts for him?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should?
I never said he should be. It’s a hypothetical.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 17, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which you still avoid the question
how would replace him?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells or trade
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on May 17, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after 15 innings of seeing Wells
you are sold enough that he should replace Harden?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 17, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells is a replacement level pitcher
The net loss of replacing Harden with Wells is much greater than whatever you gain from putting Harden in the pen.
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 17, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
His career numbers don’t bear that out. His PA per BB are as follows starting from the 1st inning down to the 9th: 10, 12, 8.5, 10, 8.5, 8, 11, 11, 20. His control is pretty steady through 9 innings. Granted the ninth inning has a small sample size of 5 games and the eighth only has 19 but I don’t see a steady decline in his walk rates as the game goes on.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on May 18, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden has a 3.84 xFIP this year
He’s pitching fine, he’s just gotten unlucky.
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 17, 2009 7:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not going to happen
He’s pitching for a contract year. He’s staying put.
by ak123 on May 17, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
say what you will
Woody may have been hurt too much or this that and the other but I think he was a classy guy and LOVED Chicago.
I wish him only the best.
As a side note, the game he struck out 20 is one of the best 5 sporting moments I’ve ever witnessed.
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by louisiana lumberman on May 18, 2009 4:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so glad "Woody" doesn't mean what I feared it did
I thought I was going to have to Flag this post and email Al :)
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by digitalbenjamin on May 18, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess its a better title
than “Is Harden just another Woody”
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 18, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just
I’m just glad I’m not the only one here with a slightly dirty mind.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on May 18, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think many of us are
and yes TWSS
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 18, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as long as you leave Reed Johnson out of this discussion.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 18, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
couldn’t we “Woody” Johnson?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 18, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden & Johnson are Woody's?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 18, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at first, but if you treat them right...
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on May 18, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
so we cannot Harden
Johnson like our old friend Woody
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 18, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we Johnson
our Woody’s Harden?
What about Hardening Johnson’s Woody?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 18, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i need a stiff
drink now
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 18, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Drew has idea on how to stir it.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on May 18, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is very easy to innocently get into a dirty sounding conversation when talking about Wood or Harden.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on May 19, 2009 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO WE CAN'T "WOODY" RICH HARDEN!
I mean, for one, there’s security all over the place…
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by dat cubfan daver on May 18, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To Woody Harden
does that mean we have to not offer arb at the end of the season and he must sign with Cleveland?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 18, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad, but very possible.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on May 18, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a woman
As a woman I wouldn’t mind Woodying Harden but my husband would be upset. He and Marshall are the Cubs best looking starters.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on May 19, 2009 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a TWSS, but a TMI
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on May 19, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yow - it'll take a few days to get that image out of my head.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 19, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood and Harden and mechanics
Does this mean Steve Stone will go on and on saying if Harden listened to him everything would be fine and he’d win 30 games a year?
(I still say Wood did listen to Stone and kept changing his mechanics. But he misunderstood and kept changing his auto mechanic)
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on May 19, 2009 6:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stone is
hardly an expert. He had one good year and blew his arm up so I am not sure why his advice carries any weight.
by lookingdeadred on May 19, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden = closer?
The A’s considered a few years back but thought it would be harder on him than starting, so they dismissed it.
by lookingdeadred on May 19, 2009 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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