Rickie Weeks Out For Season
This is a tough blow for the Brewers; Weeks will have surgery on his wrist and miss the rest of the year. He was off to a good start, too.
Think they'd want Aaron Miles?
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"Think they'd want Aaron Miles?"
No thanks.
Now technically, I’m not the GM, so that’s not an official answer…
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions
I've heard that.
Looks like for now there will be a 3 man/2position platoon between Gamel, Hall and Counsell at 2nd and 3rd base. Gamel can’t play 2nd, of course, but both Counsell and Hall can. Hall’s struggling at the plate again this year, and while Counsell has been very good at the plate thus far (I think because he finally ackowledged he needed to change his stance), his numbers will probably drop eventually.
They’re also going to start playig Escobar (normally a SS) at 2nd in Nashville.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't Craig Counsel the same player as Miles?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 18, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
No. Craig Counsell also has a hidden ability
to hit spirit-crushing home runs every time I watch a Cubs-Brewers game with my girlfriend.
And then the camera shows him in the dugout, staring out knowingly at us with his dark, beady eyes. The guy is pure evil.
Wow that is really awful
How exactly was he injured ?
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
According to..
… this article, it happened yesterday:
He was hurt on a swinging strike three in the top of the first inning, when Weeks felt “a little pressure, a little tug” in his wrist. The Brewers went on to score four runs in the inning against Cardinals starter Todd Wellemeyer, but Weeks didn’t take field in the bottom of the inning. Craig Counsell moved from third base to second and Bill Hall entered the game as the third baseman.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The swing didn't even look funny...
…. nor did he grab at his wrist afterward. I was clueless it happened until he didn’t come out onto the field in the bottom of the 2nd.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It apparently popped when swung at a pitch in his first at bat yesterday.
He had the same injury to the other wrist a couple of years back.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Weird.
Truly, I don’t root for injuries — that’s a tough blow to your team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yeah, it sucks.
Especially since Weeks finally seemed to be playing up to his talent (for the first time, in my opinion), but stuff happens.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow. That's a bad break.
Wonder if they’ll look into signing Grudz.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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That'd be pretty desperate.
Miles might be a better option.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Ugh... I wish we could re-do our offseason
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I'd guess they'll try him first
before any of the other free agents mentioned here.
There’s a reason they’re free agents. They’re old.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 18, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, just ask DLee.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 18, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Never wish injury on an opponent
but it really was starting to look like Rickie Weeks was harnessing all that talent he has this season. It’s going to be tough for the Brewers to replace him (and no, I don’t think they want Aaron Miles).
Agreed
That’s a real shame about Weeks. He really was looking good this season.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 18, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
There have been a lot of comments along these lines in this post.
I wonder what the reaction at the “other” BCB would have been to a similar Cub injury.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Oh.
And I thought we were all gettig along. Should have known it was inevitable that you would take a shot, and an entirely speculative one at that. I saw many, many similar posts to these over at BrewCrewBall when ARam went down. Not that you’ll give Brewer fans any credit for that.
I guess I expected too much from you.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
nothing wrong with wondering...........
I think your reaching on that one.
Looking at the positives for the Brewers, depending on who takes over at 2nd, they should get better defensively.
But that's why it's such a shame for Rickie,
he was playing well both offensively and defensively.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 18, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Of the 14 2nd baseman in the NL
with 200+ innings play his fielding percentage is the lowest. Of the 26 2nd baseman in MLB with 200+ innings only Jose Lopez has a worse fielding percentage……..
Fielding percentage is not the best way to measure defense.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 19, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think I am.
At all.
Weeks was actually pretty good defensively thus far this year, but Escobar looks special defensively at short and I suspect he would end up that way at 2nd as well given enough time. He certainly appears (in the limited opportunity I’ve had to watch him) to be the most natural defender to come through the Brewers system since Hardy.
Counsell is solid but has less range than Weeks did. Moving Counsell out of the rotation at 3rd (if that’s what they do) will hurt defensively if it means more starts for Gamel. Gamel’s going to hit, but defensively he’s been pretty awful at every level until his last few weeks at AAA. Seems like almost all of our home-grown players get disparaged for their defense. That’s fair with some (Fielder, Braun at 3rd) and unfair with others (Weeks the last seaon plus, Braun in LF), but there’s no denying that most of these guys were drafted for their bats and hit the majors with iron gloves. As they improve, their reputation lags behind reality. But that’s human nature and nobody’s fault.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, I wasn't clear.
I meant that I don’t think I’m reaching in my response to Al. It’s very disingenuous (and beneath Al) to pat your own fans on the back for being decent (which they were, good for ‘em!) and then imply the favor wouldn’t be returned if the shoe were on the other foot. And that’s what "wonder"ing does in that context.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I admit,
I didn’t go to BrewCrewBall when Rami got hurt to see their reaction, mostly because I was sad enough on my own to willfully inflict rival humor on myself. But if they were decent, thats great.
I don’t know if I’ll ever get over them cheering when Derrek Lee fouled a pitch off his foot and fell. I know all of you aren’t bad, when you get 40,000 people together, you’re going to have loud jerks drown out everyone being nice… and that “my side” hasn’t always been the loudest & classiest bunch. But, still.
You've got a good point
I haven’t seen much of Rickie Weeks this year and I do believe it is somewhat naive to base a players entire defensive ability on fielding percentage, with that said its all I really have to go off of. Considering Weeks reputation and his current fielding percentage you can see where I am getting my opinion from.
I was going to question whether you really thought fielding percentage was still the best measure of defensive performance...
…. fortunately I read down the comment list and realized I didn’t need to bother. Not saying Weeks was a gold glover. He still has a tendency to make an incredible play and then chuck a ball into the dugout on a routine grounder. But he was better than he had been in the past and was, in my opinion, a plus defender this year.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats taking a shot?
Al asked a legitimate question. And I think the same question could be posed with regards to any teams fan base, not just yours or ours. I’ve seen people get more grief on other SB nation blogs just for being fans of an opposing team and making a comment – no matter how benign. Based on the tone of the question I hardly thought it was taking a shot, why get so defensive? You had been doing a pretty good job of being a reasonable person, and you’ll note that not one disparaging remark has been made about Rickie Weeks or his injury. How about giving us credit for not being a bunch of jerks?
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
To each his own.
Noted.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
I am giving you credit for that.
I’m just asking for the same in exchange, and Al wasn’t willing to give it.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
See below.
I did not see the posts at Brew Crew Ball about A-Ram. If there were similar posts there, I apologize.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I did not see those posts.
In that case, I apologize.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Don't lump all Cubs fans together
You live and work with some of us. I have been on record (quite a few times if you look at my comments) of saying that I think the Brewers fans that say assine things are a small number that get lots of attention. Just like I think Brewer fans are convinced that each and every Cub fan wishes them evil. I’ve spent the last 3 years going to Brewer/Cubs game with one of my buddies who likes and is as knowledgable about baseball as I am and is a Brewers fan.
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 18, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewer fans are good folk
I love going to Miller Park. Brewer fans aren’t exactly the most enlightened baseball fans in the world, but they are generally speaking good folks.
Yeah, that really is
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 19, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
but that was still a compliment from BLou
take what you can get, right
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I suppose
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 19, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
can we think abck to Aramis and his shoulder this season
and answer our own question.
It is a shame for Weeks, and I hope he is able to fully recover.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Ouch...
he was off to a really good start too. I wonder what the recovery time is for these kinds of injuries? I’m still not entirely convinced DLee’s wrist injury hasn’t had long term effects and Big Papi (steroid speculation or not) hasn’t been the same either.
Did the article say
if they did an MRI already and know what injury it is?
If he had something similar on the other hand, I’d be worried he was overcompensating for it with this hand and this happened.
by northernsails on May 18, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Craig Counsell, a left-handed hitter, started at second base on Monday against Cardinals right-hander Kyle Lohse, and righty hitter Casey McGehee is expected to start on Tuesday and Wednesday against the Astros’ left-handed starters.
But they don’t want Aaron Miles? Really?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
Why would we deal with the Brewers anyway?
We’re not gonna help them get better, and vice versa. We’re both contending for the division.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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well
I wouldn’t be opposed to a deal that helped us both. It would let us keep Scales on the roster, and we wouldn’t have to watch Miles play in Cubbie Blue.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 18, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
If we were gonna make any deal right now...
I’d like to see us work something out with our new “Co-GM” Andy McPhail again, and bring Ty Wigginton back to the NL Central, to play 3B while Aramis is out. Dude can rake… and he’s just sitting on their bench. And, he can play 1B too.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Well...
Good point. Ty Wiggington was a smart pickup by Andy McPhail because I’m betting he sees Wiggington as a player that will be attractive to the playoff contending teams come the July 31st trade deadline. Another veteran piece he can spin in hopes of getting a mildly interesting prospect in return.
He's sitiing behind Huff...
Presumably, because Huff is making $8 mil. But, I think Wigginton could be starting somewhere. He had an awesome run with the Astros.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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And the injury bug first gets the Cubs, then the Cardinals, now the Suds.
Works for me.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."
--Ernie Banks
what goes around, comes around.
We fought the Cardinals to a .500 level when we had serious injuries. Let’s see if they can do the same to us.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 18, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Well....
Rickie Weeks has been an enigma. All the talent in the world and some of the quickest wrists in baseball, but a major disappointment to say the least. In my view Milwaukee dropped the ball by not converting him into an outfielder. Weeks has forever been a butcher at 2nd and might actually have thrived playing center field.
Milwaukee in 1st place? Not for long. As I have preached in the past “PITCHING IS KING.” And quite frankly, the Brewers don’t have enough good pitching. Not NEARLY enough. Right now that Brewer pitching staff is doing it with smoke and mirrors. Just as soon as the grind of season really kicks in I suspect the Brewers will begin a pronounced nosedive in the standings.
+1
You can hide those suspect arms for only so long. Eventually, that pitching staff will start to play to their true abilities. The Brewers will have to score an awful lot of runs to overcome that staff.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 18, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
The only starting pitcher they have of real quality is Yovani Gallardo. Jeff Suppan will eventually revert back to human batting tee that he is. Ditto David Bush. And I’m not sold on the overrated Manny Parra either. Plus they are getting some eye-popping performances out of a bunch of vagabound middle relief pitchers right now that can’t possibly last.
Trevor Hoffman is no sure thing either. He is coming off a big injury
and his arm has about a million miles on it. That whole staff is a ticking time bomb. They don’t have the luxury of a Dave Duncan to work miracles for them either. I give it about a month or so and they will be screaming for some help. Their minor league system better be loaded, because they are going to have to part with some top prospects like they did last year. Eventually, that rent-a-player stuff will come back to bite you in the butt.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 18, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The Brewer system is thin on pitching
What they do have in abundance is catching prospects. That and the emerging Alcides Escobar and Matt Gamel.
I think they are really at a crossroad now. The current group of big leaguers
is decent, but not great. If you look at their position players, they all have holes in their games. A good pitching staff could cover some of those holes, but they don’t have that. They really need to use their current crop of prospects to acquire some pitching that they can hold on to or trade a couple of big league guys for some pitching. They will probably lose Prince anyway so why not use him to get a good solid arm? You don’t need all-stars at every position if you have some decent pitching. They could really use a couple of high on-base guys to go with their current group of players. Cameron is about at the end of the road so CF is a possible spot to fill with that type of player.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 18, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
If I were running the Brewers??
A. Trade Prince Fielder for pitching. They will never be able to sign Fielder to a long-term deal and his market value will never be higher.
B. Move Ryan Braun to 1st base. Braun is a terrible left fielder but one of the best pure hitters in the game. Put him at 1st base and let him just rake.
C. Move Rickie Weeks to CF. Weeks is a terrible 2nd baseman and possesses a lot of offensive talent that has yet to be realized. Let him move to the outfield and take his mind off the fielding. Next year I guess given the injury.
D. Trade Mike Cameron for whatever he is worth.
You nailed it, buddy. I would do exactly as you have laid it out. I would
pick up a second baseman with a good glove and who can take a walk once in a while. They have enough free swingers. Braun is a first baseman waiting to happen. He could be another Pujols for the Brewers if they would just get him out of LF.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 18, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
"Free Swingers"
Currently, by sheer number of walks, the Brewers have 4 players in the top 25 in the NL: Fielder is 2nd with 30 (and he walked 3 times so far tonight), Cameron is 11th, Braun is 15th and Hart is 24th. That’s more than any other team than the Dodgers. The Brewers are 4th in the NL in OBP and 2nd in bases on balls.
This is exactly what I’m talking about when I mentioned earlier that sometime players reputations no longer match reality. The Brewers arent a team of “free swingers” anymore and describing them as such is just no accurate.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
If you notice from my post, Fielder and Cameron would be gone. Those are your
top two guys in getting walks. Braun gets them because he gets pitched around. They are third in the league in strikeouts, so yes, I would consider them “free-swingers”. There is nothing wrong with that, when their free-swingers make contact, the ball goes a long way. If I was adding to the roster, I would pick up a couple of players who don’t strikeout quite as much as the current guys do.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 18, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
So your discounting the actual performance of the actual roster...
… based on your imaginary roster moves?
Uh, ok.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. I was proposing a lineup based on moving Cameron and Fielder. Why do
you keep trying to argue with me? I wasn’t saying anything negative about the roster the way it is. I was just proposing a way of improving the team by adding pitching. You seem to think I am saying negative things about the team. I am not. They need pitching. They probably won’t be able to sign fielder and Cameron is nearing the end of his career. That’s all.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 19, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll leave the Weeks comment be...
… but what are you basing the oft-repeated claim that Braun is a terrible left fielder? Seriously, I’d like to know. He’s got good range and his routes are significantly better than they were a year ago. Tonight (anecdotal evidence alert) he made two diving catches that were as good as anything I’ve seen in the majors this year. While fielding percentage only tells you how well he’s done with the balls he’s gotten to, he has yet to make an error since he moved to LF last year (a 1.000 fielding percentage) in over 300 chances. In 2008 he had 9 assists.
There’s always going to be some subjectivity in measuring defensive prowess, but I just don’t think that your claim that Braun is a “terrible” left fielder is remotely accurate. Can you tell me what you’re basing that conclusion on?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a general observation of Braun tells you that LF is
not his best position. He’s a good athlete, but he looks alot like Pujols when he was at third. It’s not a slap at the guys to say they are playing out of position. They only problem getting rid of Fielder is that he is their only LH bat. Most of their players are cut from the same cloth. They are good athlete’s but they really need to be put in the right position to make sure their offense doesn’t suffer.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 18, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree to disagree then.
I watch the guy almost every day. Not saying he’s a gold-glover or anything and there are numbers out there that suggest he’s just nearing average level at LF (if I’m reading them correctly), but I see a guy becoming increasingly comfortable with a position he’s played less than 18 months. There are certainly awkward moments, but I don’t think they’re going to move him out of LF anytime soon and I think they’re right to leave him there.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Braun should be at 1st base
Simple as that. Braun is a special hitter who is out of position in left field. The Braun that I have seen play left looks horrible. Put him at 1st base and forget about him for the next 10 to 12 years.
Melvin made a strategic error in not moving Prince Fielder this past winter. Fielder isn’t going to re-sign in Milwaukee and could have brought desperately needed pitching prospects.
Stating your conclusion again is not an argument.
Tell me why. If you don’t have numbers to back it up, then tell me what you think he does or can’t do that makes him unable to play LF.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Have I ever used profanity?
I counter with facts which is torture to the people who want to invent victimhood for crazy Milton.
I haven't had a problem with you
you were just the most convenient example i could think of at midnight.
The point is "Is that the best position for him and the team?" Guys
like Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra anr good enough athletes that they can play any position decently. That’s really not the point. Their bats are special enough that you really don’t want them worrying about anything but hitting. They can carry a team for an entire season. First base is more of a power position than left field. Unless they have someone in their system who is a solid glove and a solid bat at first, I would move him.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 18, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that just as true of Fielder as it is of Braun?
I don’t disagree that Fielder is destined to leave Milwaukee and there are those who think he should have been dealt last offseason. I’ve even heard a few say he should have been dealt after his 50HR year in 2007. I suspect, though I don’t know, that they made some inquiries last offseason and didn’t get offered the kind of pitching they thought he was worth. Personally, absent the possibility of landing a guy who can be a #1 or #2 starter for 5 years, I think they were better off keeping Fielder, and that of course means he plays 1st. I think Braun is fine in LF, personally, and barring that kind of deal for Fielder, keeping Braun in LF is what’s best for the team.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Cabrera is not a good enough athlete to play any position.
Not anymore.
He’s now playing 1st base base because he was brutal at third base. I would hate to see him in the outfield now.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 19, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I know Cabrera is not playing anywhere except first. That wasnn't the point. I only made the analogy because
he started in the outfield, moved to third and then to first. As I said, Braun is a really good hitter and a good athlete. I would not want him worrying about defense. I would try to keep his mind on hitting. He is one of the best hitters in the league and I would put him at first. If Fielder stays, I would leave Braun in left field, but I don’t think they will be able to hang on to him. Braun is a decent left fielder, but I think the team can be stronger with him at first and someone else in LF.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 19, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I see your point...
… but I think Gamel might be ticketed for 1st eventually, though the Brewers insist they’re going to leave him at 3rd. Time will tell if Gamel’s defense improves, but after Fielder’s departure (which certainly does appear inevitable), I think Gamel might be the guy who’s a better fit at 1st than Braun.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
My guess is that Braun will continue to improve in LF
Because he’s a good athlete and seems to care about improving his game.
Fielder would have been the one that I would have traded for pitching, too.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 19, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
It may happen eventually...
…. (meaning a trade of Fielder for pitching), but I don’t think they would have gotten as much as they wanted for him last offseason. I still think they shopped him and didn’t like what they heard.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
How does that refute what you are responding to?
Where did WMHG imply, let alone state, that the Brewers had a worse OBP than the Cubs?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 19, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
They could really use a couple of high on-base guys to go with their current group of players
OBP isn’t responsive to a suggestion that they need OBP?
Where did WMHG imply, let alone state, that the Brewers had a worse OBP than the Cubs?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 19, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
you're being argumentative and ignoring plain logic
He says they need high OBP guys despite the fact that their OBP is one of the best in baseball. How hard is that?
You're being obtuse
Where did he imply that they had a worse OBP than the Cubs?
Your response wasn’t, “The Brewers are 7th in MLB with a .352 OBP.” It was to compare them favorably to the Cubs. Had you instead made a comment similar to the first sentence of this paragraph, you would have made your point more clearly without coming across as someone looking to bait or troll.
Once again, a futile effort on my part to explain to you why you sometimes elicit hostile responses here. I’m sure you’ll have a response to this as to why I don’t know what I’m talking about. I’d like to say that I give up on the topic, but I’m sure that’s only temporary.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 19, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
wow.
.023 of a difference. Shocking.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
let's see what that number is at in October
and if it matters anyway.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
nah
more of a “I really don’t give a sh!t”.
You’re suggesting that it’s important that Brewers get .023 more men on base.
Over 100 games, that’s .1 runner.
Now, you can think that’s significant, but I can think it’s pretty silly.
Also, OBP isn’t the number by which wins are calculated. The only stat that really matters is wins.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Not quite
Over 100 PA’s, that’s 2.3 runners. Over 100 games, it’s probably closer to 85 runners, assuming 36 PA/game (a number that I aribitrarily picked).
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 19, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
ah
my bad, math isn’t a strong suit. :D
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank God.
After reading your post above, I thought my already atrocious math had gotten significantly worse.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
no, it’s my mistake. I’m still learning my way around some of the stats.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Rob Neyer is an idiot
The “butcher” Weeks was a league average defender. He was excellent this year. Someone who is performing with the best in the game should change positions?
You preach, but you have a lot of different sermons. When I read your pitching sermon, you don’t even know who is on the roster.
You mean the excellent fielder
who was fielding at .964 at 2nd base this season which is lower than the .976 and .975 of the past few years. Putting Weeks and excellent fielder in the same sentence does not compute.
Todd Walker
They can have Todd Walker.
by jerry morales rules on May 19, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions
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