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Peavy to Chicago (wrong side of town)?

I heard Buster Olney on Mike and Mike this morning talking about rumors of a Jake Peavy to the White Sox trade.  He said that Peavy was called into Bud Black's office to inform him of the possibility.  Buster said he thinks it'll get done because the Padres need to dump the salary and Kenny Williams needs to upgrade the starting rotation and the White Sox have a surplus of young middle infielders that the Padres are interested in.  (I thought they wanted young pitchers?)

Tim Kurkjian was on later saying that he still thinks Peavy will be traded before the deadline but not necessarily to the White Sox.

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San Diego Union Tribune has an article about the Sox trading for Peavy.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on May 21, 2009 7:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Peavy still has no trade clause

 and I highly doubt he’d accept a deal to the Ozzie Guillen AL White Sox. Won’t happen.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 21, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he will

He wants to get out of the disaster that is the Padres.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 21, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Angels or Dodgers are a more likely possibility.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 21, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

If......

Hendry has any money to play with he can score a player who can help for more than a couple months. Teams will trade early and often. 2009 will be remembered as a salary dump trade deadline.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

"IF" Hendry has payroll flexibility, then he needs to be a player for a middle infielder and bullpen help

Cubs can’t afford Jake Peavy, don’t have what it will take to get Jake Peavy, and truth be told don’t really need Jake Peavy. What we need is a primetime 2nd baseman and a couple arms in that pen if this season is not to go down in very disappointing fashion.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree......

Peavy would be nice BUT is not a “must have”. I agree with you that the team needs a 2nd baseman and a bullpen arm. I say do it now if you can.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sox do have several...

Nix
Lillibridge
Getz
Ramirez
Beckham

I don’t see a Cubs/Sox trade happening but middle infielders the Sox have in abundance.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on May 21, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

all i have to do is check the sox site

or listen to ‘the score’ to hear descriptions of the five you mentioned…

not much
bad
meh
which one, 2008 or 2009
not a chance he’ll go anywhere or people will cancel their season tix

we have taylor on the way and barney/castro prepping to play short. if the cubs want someone in the MI, they ought to be good NOW.

good luck, chisox on getting peavy. you’ve been publicly barbecued for what you gave up for swisher.

by tim815 on May 21, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think.....

the Sox were smart to get rid of Swisher. Have you noticed that his numbers have tailed off dramatically since his breakout year? It just happens that MLB implemented their new drug policy the same year.

He is locked up for four more years(?). The Yankees will regret this one. The trade was a salary dump. Who they got back did not matter.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Billy Beane knew what he was doing

When he had Swisher in his organization and dumping him when he did

Don't assault me and I won't assault you, because you don't know what I will, or won't, do. I'm going to end it with that. - Milton Bradley 2003 to Paul Lo Duca

by SouthsideCUBSfan on May 21, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

And getting Ryan Sweeney in return.

That kid is going to be very solid. I couldn’t believe the Sox gave him up so easily.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 21, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Along with Gio Gonzalez and Fautino de Los Santos

Two great pitchers. Well at least Fautino.

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on May 22, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That "if"

could be answered as soon as the end of this week ASA Citibank, BofA & JP MC signoff the loans to Ricketts.

IMO Ricketts has very reasonably been assured his deal will be signed off by the courts and the MLB vote is a slam dunk so the only thing is securing the financing. Then it’d be up to him if he wants to take on add’l salary.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 21, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting...

…and could provide the timing the Cubs need to get involved.

I’m of the opinion that while Peavy ponders this deal, 3-4 other teams will pop up with similar offers for the Pads. I’d give it about a 30% chance he approves the Sox deal, because one of those other offers will be more to his liking.

Also, the Cell is a 180 from the pitchers park he has been accustomed to.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 21, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way they trade him to the Dodgers

Unless they want to give back Billingsley or something INSANE.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 21, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

He won't go to the NL West

..where he’ll torture the Pads 4x a year. Angels, maybe. After seeing the AAA SL Bees, that a good team with players who are blocked from ever getting with the parent club. That’s the best possibility.

Not the Sox, or the Cubs. (anymore)

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 21, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

Ozzie Guillen has won a World Series and managed another overachieving team to the playoffs in 2008. His players love playing for the guy too. Quite simply, Ozzie is one of the best managers in the game. He calls it like it is and his mouth too often gets him into hot water, but the guy is a winner. Tony LaRussa said a couple weeks ago that Ozzie is the best manager in baseball right now.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.....

with you 100%. As much as it pains me to admit, I think Ozzie is one of the best managers in baseball. I would take him once Lou retires. In a heartbeat.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie's not a bad manager, but

his outbursts and trashing players in the media must hurt his reputation with other players around the league.

His comments this week about Lillibridge were brutal for the media:

“You have to use your legs, play baseball, and when you have warning-track power you’re going to go from minor leagues to the Mexican League to Korean League,” Guillen said. “He has a tough road to come back here. He’s not doing what he’s supposed to do. I’m just being honest. He got the message three times, and he has to change his ballgame.”

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie speaks the unvarnished truth

Seems to me that he is being deadly accurate on Lillibridge and what is preventing him from being a viable major league ballplayer. If the truth hurts, then so be it. But Ozzie said nothign of a personal attack.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of players like to be coddled and prefer not to hear the uncarnished truth...

… not saying this is the case with Peavy, but everything i’ve read has said “IF he waives his NTC” and “IF he agrees to play for Ozzie”. There must be at least SOME small issue.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on May 21, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Major coup for the Sox

if Peavy waives his NTC. But is the 80-ish million due to Peavy (I’ll assume he requires the $22M 2013 option to be picked up for him waiving his NTC) too rich for Jerry and Co., knowing they have other glaring issues?

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 21, 2009 7:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Well...

The White Sox shaved nearly $30 million from their payroll this past offseason. And after 2009 Jermaine Dye, Jim Thome and Jose Contreras come off the books, adding up to almost $35 million off the books. The White Sox are nicely poised.

I would NOT trade Gordon Beckham for Jake Peavy. Beckman is going to be the next Michael Young.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looking more and more like this might get done...

… but on one hand we are talking about Peavy liking the fit because of the WS ring Ozzie has and the overachieving 2008 team, and on the other hand we are talking about them taking $75 million off the payroll since either of those things happened…

… why would Peavy want to go to an AL team that is 5.5 games back, 4th in their division, rapidly cutting payroll, and showing very few glimmers of competitiveness this year?

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on May 21, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I looked....

at the White Sox salaries for next year. A lot comes off. Dye, Contreras, Thome. Konerko off the next year. 50 plus million coming off. Teams are going to dump salary ASAP. Teams can get a deal if they take salary.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Konerko is signed thru 2010

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

IF this rumor has merits, then...

… no doubt Reinsdorf has already agreed to it. Ken Williams probably isn’t spending too much time exploring deals that Reinsdorf would not agree to.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on May 21, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good pts about contracts coming off the books down South

Here’s Peavy’s monies due (assuming he requests the ’13 option be picked up for waiving the NTC):

09: $11M, 10:$15M, 11:$16M, 12:$17M, 13:$22M club option ($4M buyout)

So for pro-rata 2009, we’re talking about $77.5M total liability for the Sox.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 21, 2009 7:49 AM CDT reply actions  

So who do the White Sox include in a trade?!?

That’s what I have a hard time understanding. Under NO circumstance would I trade Beckham. So what does that leave them to trade?

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

From what.....

the Score is reporting it is Poreda, Richards and two minor leaguers. Not Beckham.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Well then if that is the deal then you do it and do it now. Aaron Poreda is a frontline pitching prospect. Clayton Richards is a back of the rotation type maybe, but more than likely a middle reliever. And if you get to keep Gordon Beckham who looks to be a potential Michael Young or Jeff Kent type??? I make that deal if I am the White Sox.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those are the guys I've heard mentioned too.

Poreda probably did not hurt his trade value with that 7IP, 12K performance yesterday either.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on May 21, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hate to say this, but I love Kenny Williams

He never lies idle for long. Nor does he live in denial about his team or specific players. Always stirring the pot and never afraid of doing a makeover. And the thing is that he very, very rarely gives up a young prospect or player that turns out wonderful someplace else. The closest thing was Chris Young in Arizona in the Javy Vazquez trade, but even in this case Young can be classified a disappointment who strikes out way, way too much and is at best a poor man’s Mike Cameron.

You GO Kenny Williams.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

KW is a riverboat gambler

I agree with your assessment.

KW traded Jeremy Reed and Miguel Olivo for F. Garcia. Then Carlos Lee for Pods and Vizcaino.

Both of those trades were bitterly mocked by many Cubs fans. Those two trades, and the players acquired, played a HUGE role in the Sox 99 wins and World Championship in 2005.

Reed is now with the Mets, Olivo with KC, Lee is with Houston and Pods is back with the Sox. However, the only legacy from that trade that matters to me is the World Championship.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on May 21, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Kenny Williams does it with a payroll the fraction of what Hendry has to work with

Meanwhile the Cubs are saddled with an ever increasingly bloated payroll. Seriously, the Cubs are a $140 million salary team and we have an infield of Mike Fontenot, Ryan Theriot, Aaron Miles and the rapidly awful Derrek Lee from 3rd to 1st. What’s wrong with this picture?!?!?

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

That’s true this season, but over the last five years (in millions):
                  Sox Cubs
2009 $96 $134
2008 $121 $118
2007 $109 $100
2006 $103 $94
2005 $75 $87

The Sox had a big run-up when they re-signed their veterans who helped them win a World Series, and to take advantage of the increased attendance. They are cutting back now due to the economic situation, and to give them room to add younger players. Peavy fits the bill.

Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"

by cubzfan on May 21, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree completely.

As for us Cub fans mocking those trades, they were pretty one sided in a talent for talent analysis.

The fact that KW wanted to give Ozzie the flexible and younger team and eliminate the softball teams of the previous 5 years allowed Ozzie to win.

In hindsight the Lee for Pods deal was the right one, but you have to remember, we view Lee as the antichrist for what he does at Wrigley.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Do it now"?

 The deal is set, the White Sox or the Padres have no control whether it happens anymore. The ball is in Jake Peavy’s court now.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 21, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

My gut....

says he will say no. From everything I have read he wants to stay in the NL. A team like LAD could grab him, especially since they are saving almost 8 million with Manny gone.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Peavy does that then he is a total douche not worth having on any winning team

Peavy is being presented an outstanding opportunity to get out of San Diego and go to a team committed to winning that plays in a world class city that is Chicago. If he is so arrogant to not waive his no trade to come to the Sox then that would be ridiculous.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

not if he has issues with

Ozzie Guillen’s way of managing, which might be the case according to the link I posted below

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 21, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't......

get that? From everything you read the players love him.

IMHO he is a great manager. His lineup is flawed and he still wins.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

not all players

some have spoken out about him being too hard verbally at times, or being too honest. I personally like that in a manager, one who doesnt mix words, but then again i am not making millions and used to being pampered lol

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 21, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Peavy says he wants to play for an NL
I heard on the radio his quote was something like he likes to play the complete game.

Further, while the Sox are better than SD, are they as currently constructed a winning team? If Ramirez, Quinton, Danks and Floyd can get back to 2008 production, yes, but until them they are struggling.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Score says the deal is done pending Peavy's approval.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on May 21, 2009 8:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I could be wrong

Mike and MIke said major trade in Major leagues after break.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 21, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

NM

More of the same.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 21, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that's true...

… at least we won’t have to hear any more Peavy talk here.

Well, except when the Cubs face the White Sox.

Incidentally, if there is no deal, the Cubs will face Peavy… tomorrow.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 21, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fine by me... we don't need him anyway

Get me a bullpen… and a magic potion to wake the bats up

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

You want......

a bullpen name. How about Bobby Jenks?

I think he is coming up on being arb eligible. Will the Sox pay him?

He could be the closer and keep Marmol in the 8th. if the Sox are out of it (which I believe they will be) this would be nice. Again, all speculation……..

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can Jenks still get it done now that he's a big fat azz?

As far as arms go… I which the Cubs would sign Ben Sheets and rehab him… they’ve done it in the past with Dempster, Miller, etc.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wish.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ben Sheets

For every Ryan Dempster there is Wade Miller. We have enough soap opera storylines on the Cubs to waste hope on Ben Sheets.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blah...

There’s no soap opera to it. You sign him, and let him re-hab… and maybe in September or next March, he’s ready to go. End of story.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only because Maddux is there.

But… money is always the deciding factor. Put up more money… and you got him.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nolan Ryan and Mike Maddux

That’s a pretty impressive selling point if I am a rehabbing pitcher.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

He hasn't signed with anyone yet, and he's still not cleared to throw

He’s simply at home… and I believe now that it’s past May 1st, any team that signs him, is not required to fork over a draft pick to the Brewers as compensation. since he’s a Type A FA.

You can make all the connections you want with Texas… but the bottom line is always money. Always is, and always will be.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

No......

team will offer him more than an incentive laden contract. All things equal, he will sign with Texas.

IMHO, the Cubs can do better.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lives in Dallas no less.

by ol Pete on May 21, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

At least the Brewers or St.Louis won’t get him.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 21, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

You are.....

100% correct. I wonder if teams like the Brewers and St. Louis will be able to pick up salary? There will be impact players available if you can pick up a contract like Peavy’s.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...I was worried about Peavy winding up in St. Louis

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was worried with both...

Brewers have the prospects to make another CC type trade this year and I think they will. Not sure they could have picked up his salary but they could have moved him in the off season. Peavy on the Cards makes that team VERY dangerous.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 21, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is my thought as well.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ironic isn't it that we spend 8 months talking to death on Jake Peavy and in 5 minutes the White Sox swoop in and engineer a deal

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Please let this happen

I won’t ever have to hear about Jake Peavy again.

Hey the Cubs are good again! This will be a good test of a sig jinx.

by nji232 on May 21, 2009 8:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Not sure he approves the trade

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/may/20/n70258234820-peavy-trade-chicago-white-sox-may-be-/?padres

"Within the clubhouse, though, Peavy referred to the situation as ’something to think about’ yet also restated his desire to stay in the National League. One of Peavy’s teammates said he believes Peavy respects the Sox’s aggressiveness in pushing for him but may have reservations about pitching for Ozzie Guillen, the White Sox’s volatile manager."

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 21, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Peavy would be an extraordinary douche if he turned down a trade to the White Sox

Peavy is a great pitcher, but he’s not baseball royalty for crying out loud. In fact, the mere suggestion that he has reservations about going to a high quality situation like the White Sox would make me rethink the whole idea of trading for him if I were Kenny Williams. Maybe the guy is all concerned about comfort and a selfish s.o.b. that doesn’t much care about being in a winning situation.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

except he has the upper hand

If he really does not want to go the White Sox ( and he does not like the AL) the Padres will have to start over to look for a team he wants

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 21, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

The White Sox are a "winning situation"?

Have you checked the AL Central standings lately?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 21, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh C'MON Al...

How can ANY CUB FAN mock the White Sox and their commitment to winning. For crying out loud then won the World Series in 2005, made the playoffs as an overachieving team in 2008 and operate with a fraction of the payroll that the Cubs do. I’m not a White Sox fan, but your statement is precisely why Sox fans rightfully think a lot of Cub fans are assclowns.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

A little harsh.....

but I agree. The Sox are 5.5 out in a crap division. The Cubs are 3 out in a good division.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your post proves my point.

The Sox are farther behind bad teams than the Cubs are behind good teams.

Further, the Sox seem to have regressed from their playoff team of a year ago. Many Sox fans I have spoken to are pretty down on their team right now.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 21, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

But wouldn't you rather have the mindset of Kenny Williams running the ship...

Williams never lives in denial and is unafraid of turning over the apple cart. He consistently makes bold trades and smart value free agent signings that keep his team competitive with a fraction of the payroll. He’s also smart enough to draft a player like Gordon Beckham, unlike the arrogant Jim Hendry who passed on Matt Wieters for Josh Vitters who is playing in low A ball and stands little chance of helping the Cubs win during the short window of opportunity we have. IMAGINE Matt Wieters being in the Cub pipeline right now. IMAGINE a GM not living in denial about the decline of players like Derrek Lee or admitting the gaping holes on his roster (2nd base, bullpen).

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is no doubt..

… Williams makes bold moves. Some of them work. Some of them backfire.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 21, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm struggling to understand the moves that backfire

Name a single situation where the Sox have traded away a young talent who has come back to haunted under Kenny Williams. The only player who you could make semi-argument on is Chris Young for Javy Vazquez, but even in the case of Young he is nothing more than a high strikeout cheaper version of Mike Cameron.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keith Foulke, a couple random dudes, & $100K for Billy Koch & Neil Cotts comes to mind...

Kenny’s made some wonderful deals for the Southsiders, but he’s made some headscratchers, as well (Ray Durham for Jon Adkins, multiple trades for Robbie Alomar & Carl Everett). I’d have to agree with you, though that his good deals seem to far outweigh the bad (even the horrible deal for Todd Richie didn’t have any huge losses, although Kip Wells was probably every bit as good as Richie on his own).

by MarchHare on May 21, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ask a simple, direct question...

… Kenny Williams or Jim Hendry, who’s a better GM?

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by DrCrawdad on May 21, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al........

Like you have said MANY, MANY times, it is still early.

IMHO the WS have as good a chance as our Cubs to compete for the title. They are a veteran team and if Peavy were to come on board would be the favorite to win the division.

I too have heard from friends who are WS fans. They are no more down than many of the Cubs fans on this site were when the team was slumping.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

The "veteran team"...

… thing, is one of the reasons the Sox are slumping. Dye’s just about done, wouldn’t you say?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 21, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly.....

No. I think he is adequate. If I were a Sox fan I would be more worried about my middle infielders and CF situation. If the Sox did land Peavy (BIG IF) they win the division.

BTW, Per the Score SI is reporting that Peavy will decline the trade. They are reporting that Peavy wants to go to Milwaukee.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ach.

Cards or Brewers are nightmare scenario.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.......

Both would be a nightmare. Can’t imagine the Cards ponying up the cash.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jake Peavy is really an arrogant S.O.B.

Unbelievable. Oh well for the White Sox. I dont’ think I want Jake Peavy on my team if this is how he operates. Sounds like another form of the pampered a-hole that we saw in Mark Prior already in this town.

Sox should just cut to the chase and put Aaron Poreda in the rotation. He’s going to be solid starting pitcher.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not following how his wanting to

play for a contending NL team makes him arrogant.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

No he isn't.

He took a deal worth far less than he could have made elsewhere to stay with the Padres. I am sure you have heard of a hometown discount. That provided him with a no trade clause that he has every right to use. How can you call him arrogant if he is using what he basically paid for?

Do you blame him for turning this trade down? The guy has said repeatedly that he does not want to play in the American League. That is his choice, so how does that make him arrogant?

by Kornchex on May 21, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

hohoho

All sorts of love turns to venom because he says he would want to play for the Brewers. You and Al are more alike than either will admit. Remember Hoffman is on the Brewers and probably talked about the team and the city. Both Kendall and Cameron say that its the best place they’ve ever played and both have been around.

FWIW, I’d put the chances on him coming to the Brewers at near zero. The main reason is his contract.

by ol Pete on May 21, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why does that make him arrogant? Geez.

You should know better… you’re the authority on the subject.

Pot calling kettle.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

SI reports his top 2 choices are:

1. Cubs 2. Brew

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by Fishbone2 on May 21, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMHO.....

the Cubs are (and should be) out of this.

There are more pressing needs than SP. BP and middle infield help should be priority 1.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree...

Would hate to see him go to Milwaukee though.

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by Fishbone2 on May 21, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't be a surprise Peavy wants to go to the Cubs though...

it’s been his #1 choice all a long. We knew that this summer.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 21, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well... we're supposed to see him tomorrow.

I hope Hendry doesn’t do anything crazy down there in San Diego. We don’t need him. But, Jim… you could try to drive the price up so Milwaukee has to give up more than they want:)

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only thing I would be surprised about is Milwaukee

Shelling out the 22 mill of his guaranteed contract. Milwaukee could always move him in the off-season but you would think Jake wouldn’t want to go through another off-season of trade rumors.

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by Fishbone2 on May 21, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Milwaukee would take this on.

Peavy is owed an additional $8.35MM this year, $15MM in ’10, $16MM in ’11, $17MM in ’12, and a $4MM buyout for ’13. Total: $60.35MM guaranteed through 2012.

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by Fishbone2 on May 21, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

They have options for Fielder and

can move him to free up cash either before this trade deadline or in the offseason.

The Peavy deal also looks cheaper than the CC sweepstakes they played in during the offseason.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Melvin said

the 100 mill offer was a special case to CC only. Notice they didn’t offer any money to the other FA pitchers this year. Burnett, Lowe, etc…

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by Fishbone2 on May 21, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

And unlike Derrek Lee the contract of Jermain Dye runs out after 2009

So too does the contract of Jose Contreras, Jim Thome and Octavio Dotel. Saving over $35 million in addition to the $30 million plus the Sox shaved by getting rid of Nick Swisher, Javy Vazquez, Orlando Cabrera, Juan Uribe and Joe Crede.

And the farm system has Aaron Poreda, Gordon Beckham, Brandon Allen, Dayan Viciendo, Tyler Flowers and Jordan Danks all knocking on the door loudly.

You know they can't prove whose vomit it was...they don't have the facilities at Scotland Yard...you can't really dust for vomit.

by BLou on May 21, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

plus would the Sox be willing

to pick up the option year? that could be the deciding factor for Peavy

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 21, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Fraction of the payroll"

White Sox 2008 payroll: $121,152,667
Cubs 2008 payroll: $118,595,833
(These figures are for opening day; the Cubs increased to about 130k and the Sox dropped to about 113k.)

For comparison’s sake…
White Sox 2005 payroll: $75,178,000
Cubs 2005 payroll: $87,032,933

It is true the Sox have cut their payroll significantly while the Cubs have increased theirs. Even so, the White Sox have consistently had an above-average payroll for MLB in recent memory. I know how some Sox supporters love to play the money card, but the White Sox are not the Oakland A’s, battling against mighty odds with a budget that barely lets them pay for the electricity during night games.

by gjdow on May 21, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I bet if the Sox

sold out more games, then they would have more money to spend on salaries

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 21, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

May 21, 2007...

… the Cubs were 18-25 and 10.5 games out of first. Was Al saying that the Cubs should admit the obvious and pack it in or was he making pollyanna, “all’s well” comments?

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by DrCrawdad on May 21, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

May 21, 2006...

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on May 21, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

High quality situation?

have you seen the White Sox this year?

Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.

by puckishcubsfan on May 21, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait

The guy is an extraordinary douche because he may hold out for something he wants? That is an odd statement. If that made us douches, then there wouldn’t be one of us here who could boast non-douchness. What a stupid thing to say.

The guy wants what he wants. If it is unrealistic then fine but just cause you say he should settle for the Sox and no way he’s comin to the Cubs, that is how it is?

Gimme a break. And by the way, currently, the Sox do not appear to be “the best shot at winning” which is something he is looking for. Not that the Cubs are, but the Sox?

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by Kinky Reggae on May 21, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're kidding right?

One: The Sox aren’t exactly the cream of the crop.

Two: It’s why Peavy negotiated his NTC, for situations….just. like. this.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 21, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

And he shouldn't be considered a jerk

for exercising it. He negotiated for it, he gave up compensation to get it, and he has every right to refuse a trade.

by jerry morales rules on May 21, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peavy would miss Petco...

I guess any pitcher would miss Petco.

These statistics were all bright to our attention back in the winter, but it needs to be noted again how his numbers look away from Petco.

His ERA is a full run higher in away games (yes, his away numbers are still very good). That was the biggest difference in home/road era amongst any of the top pitchers that I looked at (Webb, Santana, Halladay, Sabathia, Haren, Carpenter). After you factor in the switch to the AL, and factor in playing half of your games in the U.S. Cellular launching pad, maybe he beomes a bit more average.

He is still a good pitcher and would look good in Cubbie blue or White Sox black.

by smitster2008 on May 21, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Peavy's a major talent

and would love to see him on the north side, however, looking at the Cubs, Starting Pitching does not appear to be the weak spot.

SS/2B (I’m fine with Theriot at SS, but he is a better 2B), depth at 3B and Bullpen are areas that need addressing for any run in 2009. If Hendry was rebuilding, acquiring Peavy would be a great move for 2010.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

you are right

he sure did look horrible at Wrigley a week or so ago (rolls eyes).

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 21, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh.

I’d rather see them burn their payroll than us burn ours.

by znohitter on May 21, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Great just what Cubs fans need

Ass-hat White Sux fans rubbing this in our faces all year. Great

by Galvan316 on May 21, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Who cares? Big whoop.

The bigger issue is: don’t let him become a Brewer or Cardinal.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

We don't.....

need Peavy! What the Cubs need is a solid 2B or SS (putting Fontenot on the bench) and a closer.

If Hendry is able to land this help, IMHO, the team will win it all.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see the

issue. Vocal Sox fans will trash the Cubs regardless.

I actually enjoy those fans more when the Sox are winning and they can focus on thier issues rather than Cub losses.

I root against the Sox in 6 regular season games against the Cubs and every time they play the tigers. Other than that, good luck to them.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually sorta like this.

Realistically, the Cubs were never gonna get Peavy. In that case, better he go to the Sox than to some NL contender, where he could actually do some damage to the Cubs’ chances. And, honestly, the Sox aren’t really a World Series contender with or without him, so it’s not like his presence is gonna give Sox fans any real bragging rights.

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by hip2bsquare on May 21, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

PV

is a different pitcher away from Petco.

I think his reluctance to go to the White Sox is due more to the launching pad home ballpark than Ozzie’s outbursts.

by Clark Addison on May 21, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 21, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very good point, I'd say the issues in the aggregate point away from the Sox

1. US Cellular a hitters park
2. Wants a true contender and White Sox could go either way
3. Wants to stay in the NL
4. Speculation of concern on vocal manager

Too bad, I want him as far from Milwaukee and St. Louis as possible.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well summed up...

… and i agree… i won’t even hate on him going to the Sox if it means we won’t see him in a Cardinal uni.

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by AndrewJStone on May 21, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+10000000

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by Fishbone2 on May 21, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Makes you wonder if the Brewers and Cards...

…are scrambling at this news, trying to make a last second attempt to get him.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 21, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see....

the Brewers trying to get in the mix.

IMHO, the Cards will not pony up the cash.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

My lame attempt at poking fun at the Brewers

giving up LaPorta for a 3 month rental. I think in hindsight most Brewers fans would admit it wasn’t worth it.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 21, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

From what I've read the Sox are prepared to give up

Aaron Poreda (their #1 pitching prospect) Clayton Richard (young starting pitcher) and 2 other minor league pitchers. That is a lot of arms and wouldn’t consider it as “not offering all that much.”

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on May 21, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought San Diego wanted IFs

Very interesting development.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on May 21, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's crazy.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 21, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure

you could say the same thing about a lot of Cubs moves if they knew ahead of time that they would go down quickly in the playoffs. FWIW, there was a breakdown of the economics in the NYT and they measured it as a win.

by ol Pete on May 21, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh I'm not sure the Cubs and the Brewers are the same in this situation.

The Brewers gave up a high level prospect on a three month rental that only got them to the NLDS. I don’t think you can say the same for the Cubs. CC bolted to New York. Harden (probably the best example from last year) resigned for a reasonable amount and we didn’t really give up the same caliber player. So I don’t think that argument holds true.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 21, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see the Cards coming up with the money there.

They’re going to have to re-sign Pujols soon.

And with Dave Duncan on board… they don’t need to invest big $ in pitching.

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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

total agreement

plus I don’t really opinion on the sox either way. so just get him outta the NL

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by Madison Cub Fan on May 21, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

This plus the recent Cubs bad play...

….is going to have the ledgejumpers out in full affect. I may be taking a break from BCB for a while.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 21, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

LOL!

I think Sue369 will be armed for bear!

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

According to...

… Will Carroll at Baseball Prospectus, Peavy has until tomorrow to approve the deal.

My guess is he’ll take as much time as he is allowed, so we’re not likely to hear anything today.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 21, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

On the plus side, if he's on the table with a pending deal,

the Cubs may miss him in SD.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 21, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sick

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on May 21, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Why?

The Cubs have more pressing needs than SP.

SS? 2B? RP?

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where are we gonna find a real friggin SS?

Who might be a deadline deal this year?

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would have to look............

There will be teams dumping salaries. There will be someone available. Could be 2B as well.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think 2B is such a big need... if we get a real SS

Theriot can man 2B fine… and be more effective defensively. Then, you can rest him every 5th day and give Fontenot a start against right-handed pitching.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

What.....

I was trying to say is that Hendry could go either way. IMHO, Theroit can play 2nd or SS.

by timeforachange2009 on May 21, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I want him playing 2B... where he belongs.

We have 3 second baseman… and no real major league SS. Get a real shortstop.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on May 21, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Coz it's the Sux

It’s kinda like when your HS bully starts dating the girl you’ve been eyeing for over a year now.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on May 21, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh, let 'em have him

Let them be the ones to hafta send 4 solid farm-hands and deal with his salary for the next four or five years.

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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on May 21, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Plus have to pitch in the launching pad that is the Cell.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 21, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark

by DamonBerryhillsMitt on May 21, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess

It’s time to find our new, collective crush then.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on May 21, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look @ this way

You’ve had a crush on her for a year, but do you really know her? Not really. Maybe it’s good to move and find someone who returns your affection.

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on May 21, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very well put

I want to have a crush on David Wright, Tim Lincecum and Adrián González.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on May 21, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ian Kinsler!

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by tony412 on May 21, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's "cute" too

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on May 21, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marshall becomes an excellent RP

by the acquisition of a pitcher like Peavy plus he can still spot-start.

Like guys like DeRo, it goes beyond just that particular player at hand.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 21, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

What a kick in the....

it would be to the Sox if he said No Thank You.

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by tony412 on May 21, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm thinking he will say 'no'.

If I was a betting man.

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by Unique on May 21, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

WSCR reporter

said he talked to Linebrink who spoke with Peavy yesterday. That would mean either Sox brass encouraged him to help recruit or Jake wondered himself.

by ol Pete on May 21, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Linebrink quoted in this

ESPN Article, also saying PV is 50/50 on the trade.

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by tony412 on May 21, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, this certainly is an interesting situation to follow.

I could see Peavy wrinkling his nose at the White Sox. They’re not exactly awful, but not really hands-down contenders either. The NL thing and going to a hitters park are also negative factors.

But who knows. Maybe a roll of the dice with the Sox would be preferable to suffering a long, turgid season with the floundering Pads. I wouldn’t mind Peavy not being on the mound tomorrow night.

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by daver on May 21, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Assuming we're out of the running

which by all accounts we are, I’d much rather hear news he accepts the trade to the Sox over any other possibility.

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by tony412 on May 21, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Peavy is an idiot

The White Sox are a winning franchise with one of the best GMs and managers in the game. Players on the Sox love playing for Ozzie, and that team consistently gets more out of less than just about anybody in baseball. I’m not a Sox fan by any stretch, but yes I do admire what Williams and Ozzie have been able to do on the Southside. Peavy sounds a whole lot like that other pampered douche in San Diego by the name of Mark “The Employee” Prior.

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by BLou on May 21, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

really?

best GMs and managers? both of those guys have pretty consistent records of calling players out in the press, even after they’ve left town. always seemed pretty bush league to me. i can understand peavy not wanting to get involved in that circus. sure, some personality types seem to enjoy it. others obviously don’t. witness nick swisher before and after his white sox experience as the latest example.

by billywan on May 21, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is not all daisy's and ice cream on the south side

there have been players happy to get away from Ozzie. Not every player like to be with a manager who does not know when to zip it. I love his honestly, but I can understand the players who do not want to be there as well.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I made the mistake

of reading the comments to the article on the Sox site. Most of them (not surprisingly) are disses to the Cubs. Not a lot of love for the possibility of the Sox getting him, but for the Cubs NOT getting him. Typical.

by AndHart120 on May 21, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Well in a way...

It’s kind of flattering that even when they have the possibility of getting a great player, they can’t help but obsess over us. Sweet, in a sort of love-sick puppy dog stalker kind of way.

by Hilary Lee on May 21, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Latest ESPN article expresses doubt.

LINKY

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by daver on May 21, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I just said this in the review thread on last nights game...

… but wanted to restate here.

This deal (Peavy to the Sox) may hurt our collective pride (we courted the dude all offseason and couldn’t get it done) but doesn’t run the risk of damaging our record. That record is what is important.

It stings a little that its our crosstown rival, but for all practical purposes, this affects us no more than him staying in SD. We’ll face him one or two times a year. At least he won’t be with the Cards or Brewers.

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by AndrewJStone on May 21, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I have mixed feelings about this trade

On the one hand, the Cubs would lose out on him.

On the other hand, the White Sox (of all teams) would get him

On the third hand, he wouldn’t go to another NL Central team, which would be the worst of all outcomes.

My gut tells me that if he does go to the White Sox, there would still be other starting pitching options made availible by other teams. I’m really not worried that.the Cubs are “losing out” on anything. From a Cub fan perspective, this might actually be a good thing.

But I still don’t want him to become a White Sox player. I wish the Twins would become a player in this.

by jerry morales rules on May 21, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Well they are a player today…it’s 16-0 Twins as I write this

by chiavsfan on May 21, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I consider this a win

I consider this a win for the Cubs.

We don’t need to spend any of our prospects for a Starting pitcher. We need infield and bullpen help.

The Cardinals and Brewers don’t get him.

Real Cub fans are more worried about the Cardinals or Brewers getting him than the White Sox. The Cards and Brewers are our real rivals not the Sox.

Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.

by puckishcubsfan on May 21, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

BREAKING NEWS

The Sox just traded for Brian Roberts.

Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.

by puckishcubsfan on May 21, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope everyone knows I’m kidding and I can’t believe it’s taken this long for someone to make this joke,

Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.

by puckishcubsfan on May 21, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The irony is

It really would help their 2B situation…

by Hilary Lee on May 21, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Leadoff

Both trades would benefit the Sox more than they would the CUbs.

by jerry morales rules on May 21, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

A response to "We don't need him."

I’m not arguing that the Cubs have any chance to get him right now. But this idea that we don’t need him boggles the mind. Exactly how many of our starters right now look like the pitcher you could hand the ball to in a playoff game and count on him shutting the offense down?

“We need to help the bullpen.” – Moving one of our startrs to the ‘pen wouldn’t help the ’pen?

I still expect that by the end of the season (assuming no other moves are made), the piece we will most wish for is top-level starter.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 21, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah but

That’s the thing that almost every team wishes for at the end of the season. Even the teams that have them wish they had more of them. Man if someone out there could find out a way to make a rotation out of Santana, Lincecum, Greinke, Sabathia, and Halladay, with Peavy doing long relief that’d be awesome.

by Hilary Lee on May 21, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well with that rotation...

I believe I’d be hitting 5th in that lineup.

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on May 21, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

cuz they cannot afford anyone

over league minimum to play the field :=)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 21, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey I still play baseball though!

But I’m a pitcher!!!! ::Dramatic Music plays::

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on May 22, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for stating this. Of course we need every excellent pitcher we can have.

You never have enough pitching. The prospect of Peavy going to the Cubs or Brewers is a division-changing development. On the other hand, Peavy going to the White Sox should signal Jim Hendry’s dismissal. That would add to the horrible moves of the past winter. But of course, we know Hendry will stay even if that happens; it’s Peavy who won’t be with the team.

by Fraggin Judge on May 21, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Riddence

While Peavy is a fantastic pitcher his lines away from the pitchers mecca of petco I dont think justify his pay. Plus this way we can all stop having multiple-orgasms over the possiblity of Peavy coming here. And to the answer of who I would be willing to put in a situation to shut another team down I would have to go with either Zambrano, Dempster, Lilly, or Harden. Marshall is useable 5 pitcher maybe move Wells to the pen.

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by hansman1982 on May 21, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Peavy said no to the trade

/www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/45706107.html

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 21, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Peavy (crapped) his drawers ...

… over what would happen if he had to face AL lineups regularly. He wants the ease and fluffed stats from pitching in the weaker NL.

Good riddance then!

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by DrCrawdad on May 21, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Prove that the NL line ups are all weaker

you are basing that on the 9 hole in the batting order, right?

Here is yesterdays 9 hole hitters for all 14 games played, sorted from highest to lowest for BA

Player Team Batting Average Position
Owings Cincinnati 304 P
Bautista, J Toronto 303 LF
Lugo Boston 293 SS
Anderson, B Chi White Sox 281 CF
Andrus, El Texas 270 SS
Gutierrez, F Seattle 254 CF
Correia San Diego 250 P
Kendrick LA Angels 241 2B
GardnerF NY Yankees 235 CF
Scherzer Arizona 214 P
Andino Baltimore 212 SS
Marshall Chi Cubs 200 P
Punto Minnesota 193 SS
Aviles, M Kansas City 191 SS
Navarro Tampa Bay 189 C
Valbuena Cleveland 179 2B
Snell Pittsburgh 176 P
Cook Colorado 176 P
Wainwright St. Louis 167 P
Lincecum San Francisco 158 P
Hannahan Oakland 143 3B
Suppan Milwaukee 133 P
Oswalt Houston 111 P
Blanton Philadelphia 091 P
Sardinha, D Detroit 053 C
Miller, A Florida 000 P
Stammen Washington 000 P
Medlen Atlanta 000 P

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here are some more stats Dr Craw...

that show it is a good mix from the two leagues when you look at the offensive numbers

Team Team BA
Toronto Blue Jays 0.288
New York Mets 0.287
Los Angeles Dodgers 0.285
Los Angeles Angels 0.278
Boston Red Sox 0.276
Washington Nationals 0.276
Minnesota Twins 0.276
Cleveland Indians 0.274
Tampa Bay Rays 0.273
Detroit Tigers 0.271
Texas Rangers 0.271
New York Yankees 0.271
Baltimore Orioles 0.268
Houston Astros 0.266
Atlanta Braves 0.263
Pittsburgh Pirates 0.262
Kansas City Royals 0.260
Philadelphia Phillies 0.260
St. Louis Cardinals 0.257
Cincinnati Reds 0.255
Milwaukee Brewers 0.255
San Francisco Giants 0.254
Colorado Rockies 0.251
Seattle Mariners 0.251
Chicago Cubs 0.248
Chicago White Sox 0.245
Florida Marlins 0.242
Oakland Athletics 0.241
Arizona Diamondbacks 0.234
San Diego Padres 0.231

Team Team OBP
Los Angeles Dodgers 0.370
New York Mets 0.368
Boston Red Sox 0.362
Washington Nationals 0.361
Cleveland Indians 0.357
Toronto Blue Jays 0.355
New York Yankees 0.352
Minnesota Twins 0.351
Milwaukee Brewers 0.350
Tampa Bay Rays 0.348
Philadelphia Phillies 0.345
Atlanta Braves 0.344
Detroit Tigers 0.343
Los Angeles Angels 0.340
Kansas City Royals 0.338
Baltimore Orioles 0.334
Houston Astros 0.333
Pittsburgh Pirates 0.331
St. Louis Cardinals 0.331
Chicago Cubs 0.330
Colorado Rockies 0.330
Cincinnati Reds 0.329
Texas Rangers 0.329
Florida Marlins 0.321
Oakland Athletics 0.315
Chicago White Sox 0.315
San Francisco Giants 0.313
San Diego Padres 0.312
Arizona Diamondbacks 0.310
Seattle Mariners 0.305

Team Team Slugging
Texas Rangers 0.481
New York Yankees 0.479
Boston Red Sox 0.459
Philadelphia Phillies 0.457
Toronto Blue Jays 0.456
Tampa Bay Rays 0.451
Washington Nationals 0.441
Detroit Tigers 0.437
Baltimore Orioles 0.431
Milwaukee Brewers 0.430
Colorado Rockies 0.429
Minnesota Twins 0.426
Cleveland Indians 0.425
Los Angeles Dodgers 0.422
St. Louis Cardinals 0.422
Kansas City Royals 0.420
New York Mets 0.419
Los Angeles Angels 0.411
Chicago Cubs 0.411
Cincinnati Reds 0.409
Houston Astros 0.408
Arizona Diamondbacks 0.405
Pittsburgh Pirates 0.400
Atlanta Braves 0.394
San Diego Padres 0.385
Chicago White Sox 0.385
Florida Marlins 0.384
Seattle Mariners 0.377
San Francisco Giants 0.364
Oakland Athletics 0.344

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

The top tens teams are majority AL teams in each team category

Do you honestly believe that the NL is the equal to the AL in offense?

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