Jake Peavy Trade To White Sox: No Go
by Al Yellon on May 21, 2009 5:39 PM CDT
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PrintA source close to the Jake Peavy camp said today that the ace pitcher has notified the San Diego Padres that he will not accept the trade to the South Side, killing the deal that would have sent four players West and put Peavy in black and white.
There is no indication of the Padres have notified the Sox yet, but the Padres have been informed.
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Well...
… I’d rather have had him there than as a Brewer or Cardinal.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'd rather have him here.
Without giving up Vitters ofcourse. and I know this has been discussed to death here, but we finally have something concrete to work from.
Of the proposed Sox prospects, how would they compare to what the Cubs would have to give up? They didn’t have their best prospect in there, which clearly Vitters is for the Cubs.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
EDIT: By here I mean Chicago
Even though I’m in AZ.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
I know this has never been discussed here before but...
…..Imagine a playoff rotation of Peavy, Harden, Zambrano and Dempster!!!!!
Discuss.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Hmm....Lily for Peavy maybe?
Shhhh…don’t let Ted know I said that.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 21, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You think Ted doesn't already know?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
That wouldn't fair well
for Soto, I put the over/under on times Soto gets railroaded at 5. With heavy action on the over
LOL forgot all about Lilly
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
My God have mercy on your soul.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 21, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
That depeds on who your god is?
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Ted Ditka
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Ted Lilly
Doesn’t have to start in the playoffs, he needs to rest up for all four games he will start in the World Series. Ted Lilly feels no pain.
ted lilly feels no pain because...
he is the only person in the world that scares chuck norris.
It would have been a good deal for the Padres
I dont think the Cubs have the same caliber of arms in the minors.
Woulld've been a great deal for Pads
For some reason, I just don’t see Peavy as the type of pitcher to have the same continued success in the NL as he would in the AL.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Who Cares?
Peavy isn’t going to the White Sox even if they doubled thier offer. The Padres might just have to accept what the Cubs give them, assuming the Cubs are even interested.
by jerry morales rules on May 22, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Peavy
It would be nice to have him here but the Cubs needs are not pitching. The starters are doing fine while the offense looks old and/or bad. If the Cubs are going to consider making a move to land a key player, it should be a position player.
i disagree
making a move for peavy would strengthen the bullpen with the subsequent move by marshall. I have a lot of confidence in marshall, he would be a solid reliever, as long as we didn’t have to move him in the deal.
while i don’t disagree that they should make a move for a position player, i feel that upgrading the bullpen via the peavy deal would better this club more than picking up a stud bat.
I think
we can still move Marshall to the bullpen if need be. I hate losing the lefty in the rotation, but I also don’t want Marshall to be the LOOGY. Thus, if Marshall goes to the ‘pen, Wells stays in the rotation, and we send Cotts down for Waddell (and maybe Ascanio as well), we may strengthen the ’pen quite a bit. Here’s to hoping…
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
did you watch the Cards series?
Pitching isn’t the problem. The pen could use help but the Cubs glaring issue has been the inability to score runs.
true
but how many times this season have the been able to field the starting lineup they left spring training with?
by burncruisin on May 23, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Paging Dr. Crawdad....Dr. Crawdad to the BCB Lobby.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 21, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions
"all you Cubs fans do is talk about the White Sox"
end quote
by DartmouthCubsFan on May 21, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Fun with misquotes!
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
He's gonna go into your search profile and count the number of times you've said "White Sox".
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."
--Ernie Banks
White Sox
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 21, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
too much bleach?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Cubbies, a history of suck?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
only two teams have 10,000 Wins in their history
and the Sox are not one of them
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
And the Cubbies have lost 4 straight this season...
… 9 straight in the post-season AND 101 seasons without a World Championship.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
wow, there is something new
care to give you “burns” back to Barney Rubble and return with something new and clever next time?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
100 vs 101
It has only been 100 seasons, not 101. Unless you think the Phillies who won in 2008 have gone one season without a World Championship.
Let's go with his math...
in which case the Sox have gone four seasons without a championship, instead of just three.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
Either way it's good for us and bad, no awful for you
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
I heard that on Tribune Live
doesnt surprise me one bit to be honest.
in other news Minnesota signed Farve today, and he put up two TDs and two FGs against the Sox in a 20-1 victory
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
So this means he's coming to the Cubs, right?
Discuss…
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
Could we trade for Murton, Pie, Cedeno, and Hill
And package them in a deal to get Peavy?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Wait, start over.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
This FanPost is too short and should be a FanShot.
"Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them, well, I have others." - Groucho Marx
That would be stepping in it....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 21, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
heh heh.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. I think this is quite funny..
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
The best quote from Gaslamp Ball...
remember
the names of who we could have had. they will probably be awesome soon.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 21, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions
Here we go again
All Peavy, All the Time here at BCB….can we just hang onto Josh Vitters, thats all I ask
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
but now it is a Chicago theme, both Cubs fans and Sox fans can unite in Peavy discussions
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
haha, Unity at its finest
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Over/Under on # of Peavy related FanPosts by this time tomorrow?
6
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 21, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Why do I hear Taps when I read this?
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Didn't Peavy give the Pads
a list of 4 teams that he would accept a deal this past fall. Why this deal got this far is surprising.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Yeah.. something like that.
Cubs, Braves, St. Louis, LA Dodgers ?
I would think only the Cubs and St. Louis would be his only destinations if a trade happens.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
Didn't we?
Peavy is a luxury — almost for every team on his list.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
The Cards need is in the bullpen since things seem to be working with the middle infielders. Since their farm system is packed with talent, they wouldn’t have much of a problem trading to pick up Peavy and moving Pineiro or Wellmeyer to the pen. A rotation with Carpenter, Peavy, Wainwright as 1, 2, 3 could give the Cards that push we don’t want them to have.
by Mike Martin on May 21, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Axelrod was very precise about "the list"
suggesting that even though a team might be on his top 4-5 teams list, he wouldn’t necessarily waive his NTC for all of them, or even any of them.
Derrek Lee is good.
So that means....
that he only wants to go to the Cubs or the Dodgers/Braves? I’m purely Peter Gammons’ (guessing) right now.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
Not necessarily;
there could be ten teams he’s willing to go to, or there could be only one. And the teams he’d considered in the winter may have changed as the season has gone on.
What we know is that he’s willing to be a Cub and the price to get him will be less than what the White Sox offered. If we do end up pursuing him later, we’ll owe a thank you to Kenny Williams.
Derrek Lee is good.
Damn
I’m bracing myself for some fantposts in the coming days
Oh Mark DeRosa how we need you at third base.
Days?
I’ll give it minutes.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Thank God
As much as i’d like to see peavy in blue pinstripes, black pinstripes wud b worse. the sox fans wud go nuts. lets hope hendry can pull it off without givin up too much good players.
you know, as unbelievable as the numbers that hes putting up in AAA, y not jake fox? we have absolutly no place for him and hes just the type of player that the padres cud use. major league ready talent that cud actually make sumwat of a difference over there.
by Chicago White Sux on May 21, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, because that Gonzalez guy sucks...
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on May 21, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
White Sox will be happy they kept Aaron Poreda
Jake Peavy strikes me as a selfish douche. And precisely the type of pampered prima donna who will fail and fail spectacularly if placed in a pressure cooker situation. Some players no matter how wondrous they might be for bad teams simply can’t cut it with a good team. So let Peavy rot in that mega-pitcher friendly Petco Park. Apparently it’s more important for him to have comfort above anything else.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
Also my way of saying under NO circumstance do I every want him on the Cubs
Actually, I HOPE Peavy winds up in Milwaukee. He crash and burn with the Brewers and we will get to laugh even harder.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
Jake Peavy
Away from home
May 2009: 14 IP 3 ER 17 K 3 BB 5/6 GB/FB ratio
2008: 4.28 ERA 5-6 67 K .258 BAA
2007: 2.57 ERA 10-1 101 K .195 BAA
2006: 4.59 ERA 5-7 78 K .257 BAA
2005: 2.98 ERA 6-4 86 K .229 BAA
2004: 2.33 ERA 8-3 78 K .246 BAA
2003: 4.59 ERA 9-8 83 K .243 BAA
2002: 6.23 ERA 2-6 46 K .318 BAA
3 Year Average 2006-2008: 3.73 ERA 20-14 246 K .235 BAA
When Peavy is at his best he is great everywhere.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 21, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Ken Rosenthal begs to differ
He says if he was Peavy, he wouldn’t have gone to the White Sox.
Please, not a word about Peavy being selfish. His first choice is to stay in San Diego, which is why he sacrificed his chance for free- agent riches by signing a club-friendly extension with the Padres through 2012.
And later, it appears that Rosenthal’s not alone in his opinion.
One general manager told me the only way that Peavy should have gone to the White Sox is if he viewed them as his sole get-out-of-jail card. The GM added that, within a month, other options will emerge.
The Padres created this mess. It is not Peavy’s responsibility to bail them out.
And in an attempt to complete the cycle of rebuttals on what BLou says about Peavy, he also suggests that the Cubs’ offer(s) in the winter were likely to be better than this package.
Derrek Lee is good.
What do you think would get it done without Vitters.
Or is it even possible?
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
I have no idea.
I think it could have gotten done in the winter and Hendry decided not to do it. With Marshall looking like a good starter, Hendry may be even less inclined to do it. Or, with Samardzija looking bad in his brief callup, he may be more likely to do it. But I think Hendry’s desire is the biggest obstacle.
Then, there’s Vitters. His value has gone up and the Cubs may not be willing to include him. Or they may find they don’t need to include much other than him now. If they decide to try to trade for him and decide not to include Vitters, I’m not sure what would work; I haven’t had that much time to follow farm systems this year yet. Maybe Josh or toonsterwu would be willing to speculate which of our players might compare to the Sox package.
But let me throw this unlikely idea into the mix – what if the Cubs offered to do a three-way trade with the White Sox and San Diego? Could we get either Zambrano or Lilly to waive their NTCs to stay in Chicago but switch leagues? I’d rather have Peavy going forward than Zambrano, to be honest…
Derrek Lee is good.
I don't think there's any way
we include Vitters at this point. His value has gone up and Peavy’s goes down with every start he makes for the Padres—not because he’s bad, but because that’s a start he’s not making for his new team. On top of that, he’s made it clear that there are very few teams he’s willing to be traded to, which gives the Padres little leverage.
But I don’t know how we put together a package that the Padres would accept if we won’t trade our #1 prospect and our #2 prospect also has a no-trade clause (Samardzija).
by Josh Timmers on May 21, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs are truly in trouble if Jeff Samardzija is the #2 prospect in this system
Jeff Smardzija has all the ear markings of an insanely overhyped glamour boy who will be little more than a middle reliever type in the bigs.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
Well as we're seeing, those guys are important
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Samardzija is having velocity problems with his splitter.
It’s at 84, when he was dominating it was at 88.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
He needs Brady Quinn smacking him on the ass every few nights to keep that velocity up.
by Mike Martin on May 21, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Samardzija needs to go to Halas Hall
Jeff needs to see if he can catch one of them zingers Jay Cutler tossed the other day. Da Bears need a WR. He’s floating in the minors as a dead-beat
"It was a wise Man that invented Beer" (Plato)
People call me goofy
But I wouldn’t be surprised to see him still in Chicago in 2 years but as a Bear.
He’d be their #2 receiver which is more of an indictment of the Bears receivers than how good he is.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on May 22, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Shark is a pretty good athlete, but he hasn't played at the college football
level in years now and elevation from college to pro as a receiver is considered the second hardest position to elevate in terms of playbook and game speed.
Whether or not Smardzija has a future as a MLB pitcher is where he needs to concentrate, his window to play in the NFL may have passed.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Making ALOT of money by just throwing a little stitched ball...
and not punishing his body the way he would in the NFL.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Maybe
Jackson could replace Samardzija … he has more upside IMO anyway.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
Technically
Jackson can’t be traded for another month—but it would be no problem to name him as a PTBNL and just trade him then.
by Josh Timmers on May 21, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats ridiculous
Zambrano, out of all NL pitchers, loves to hit the most, plus he seems to love the Cubs…Lillys career has taken off since he came back to the NL, I think youre grasping at straws now.
We dont need Peavy, we need Middle Infielders
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
But who are you gonna get that's out there?
it’s not like Hanley Ramirez is out there waiting for us.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
I think the Brandon Wood suggestion is very intriguing
And hopefully feasible, as Sioscia has shown now faith in him; so he could be a buy low candidate
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Offers earlier in the winter were of course very likely to be better
based on the timing…
The Padres clock is ticking… the season is nearly 1/4 under way, and they have to pay this salary. They’ll take less now, just to move the contract.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Cubs can't afford Peavy, don't have what it will take to acquire Peavy and don't need Peavy
Cubs have a series of issues. But starting pitching is not one of them. Peavy is not coming to the Cubs and I for one am very glad about that. I think he is an arrogant douche and I will lay outs he melts playing for any team that is good and chasing playoff hopes. Let him spend the rest of his days in laid back San Diego.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
But how will he do on a good team that is chasing playoff hopes?
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How is Peavy
an arrogant douche for staying with his original team, and by passing a huge payday when he was a Free Agent and give his team a home town discount?
If thats the definition of arrogant douche, then what does that make you?
Agreed
BP and offense (ANY OFFENSE) are more pressing needs than starting pitching
"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69
HAHA
SIKE!
"They say we don't look good on paper. Well, we don't play on paper." Joe McCarthy (1926)
I liked the news while watching the 20-1 massacre
The Comcast Twinks broadcast was talking about the Peavy trade and the Pads trading him to the White Sux. As soon as Blyleven mentioned Peavy’s no trade clause and him vetoing the trade, the Twinks scored 7 in the 2nd inning. I cheered em on as they beat the snot out of Ozzies team. I wonder if Kenny and Ozzie slept in the same bunk tonite?
"It was a wise Man that invented Beer" (Plato)
My Take
Nothing but a PR move from an organization that is obsessed with trying to beat out the Cubs in the lime light of Chicago. Think about it, All off season the Cubs and Peavy…Cubs Cubs Cubs…Peavy Peavy Peavy this site was a constant reminder of the negotiations for him.
Anyway, The Padres knew Peavy didnt want to go to the AL, The White Sox SHOULD have known this also, yet the two teams went ahead and tried to trade the man anyway.
And Dr. Crawdad,
You really love to rub that 101 years thing in our faces, great thanks for reminding us, we never knew that, we also didnt know the White Sux won in 2005, we are apparently not as observant as you because…. after all We are Cubs fans. I mean clearly someone with your superior knowledge of everything trumps anything and everything any one Cubs fan could ever say.
In short Sir, blow the 2005, and 101 years crap outta your ass.
he mentions it
so he can feel better about his team, you know the one that threw a world series
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Wow
Cubs fans are going to complain when other teams bring up the long stretch without a World Series win, but then you’ll throw down the Black Sox to taunt a South Sider?
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
As a Cubs fan
As a Cubs fan who cares more about my team’s chances than bashing the Sox I wanted this trade to happen instead of him going to St. Louis or Milwaukee.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
I think the Pads may have screwed themselves...
I know the Peavy camp wasn’t too happy after the winter meetings saying things like, “they are asking too much.”, “they (SD) dropped the ball”, etc… I wouldn’t be surprised, if the Cubs wanted to get back into this, that Peavy could be had for a lot less than what they were offering before. Meaning, no Vitters. I think he ends up here or in Milwaukee.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
I really hope not.
The way they are playing, I could certainly see their owner “splurging”. It could gut some of their minor league system though and that’s what I think they can’t afford.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Chicago White Sox, you have been:
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What I think this says is one of two things
1) He really, really, really only wants to play for the 4 teams he’s noted, or
2) He’s willing to play for all the other teams if they pick up his $22M option.
by jerry morales rules on May 22, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
or losing 20-1 scared him off
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Honestly
it breaks my heart that peavy won’t be playing at 35th and shields… is there such thing as a sarcastic font. Way to deny that minor league team on the southside.
Someday we'll go all the way.
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on May 22, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions
"Minor league team on the Southside..."
Coming from a Cubbie fan that is frigging hilarious!
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
he should have said JUNOIR CIRCUIT
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
JUNIOR CIRCUIT?
That would be the National League.
And remind me, how many World Series Championships have you seen the Cubs win?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Crawdad
you never seem to surprise me. PLease go and read the link, which will give you a little history about the al mighty AL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_League
The American League of Professional Baseball Clubs, or simply the American League (AL), is one of two leagues that make up Major League Baseball in the United States and Canada. It developed from the Western League, a minor league based in the Great Lakes states, that eventually aspired to major league status. The league is often called the Junior Circuit because it was elevated to Major League status in 1901, 25 years after the formation of the National League (the “Senior Circuit”).
And you are aware that the White Sox were named such, because they wanted to draw many “Cub” fans out of recognition of our old name (at that time), right?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
and before you say I am wrong
let me provide this for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_white_sox
One of the American League’s eight charter franchises, the Chicago team was established as a major league baseball club in 1901. The club was originally called the Chicago White Stockings, after the nickname abandoned by the Cubs, and the name was soon shortened to Chicago White Sox.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Here's some history for you...
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
wow original Crawdad, so original
what is next, Mr Originality?
and thanks for ignoring where I corrected you on the Junior Circuit information, but I feel better knowing you ignored it ebcause you were schooled
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I'm not into that, you might be though.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Your comment is unacceptable.
Watch your language.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Schooled?
The American League was supposedly a “junior circuit” (or as you spell it. "Junoir Circuit) over 100 years ago and explain how that’s relevant now?
The last several years American League has been “schooling” the NL overall in interleague play, All-Star games and the World Series. If the AL is the “junior circuit,” please explain the vast inferiority of the NL in those areas I’ve mentioned?
thanks for ignoring where I corrected you on the Junior Circuit information, but I feel better knowing you ignored it ebcause you were schooled
I’m just following your pattern. I corrected your fallacious points in a previous discussion about NL vs. AL and you never responded.
Speaking of being “schooled” how about the Cubbies being “schooled” in their last 9 playoff games? Or how they’ve been “schooled” the last 100 years?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Wow you keep coming back with original things
like this
Speaking of being "schooled" how about the Cubbies being "schooled" in their last 9 playoff games? Or how they’ve been "schooled" the last 100 years?
are you really unable to come up with a thought of your own?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Just can't answer direct questions...
… can you. Here let’s try again:
The American League was supposedly a "junior circuit" (or as you spell it. "Junoir Circuit) over 100 years ago and explain how that’s relevant now?
The last several years American League has been "schooling" the NL overall in interleague play, All-Star games and the World Series. If the AL is the "junior circuit," please explain the vast inferiority of the NL in those areas I’ve mentioned?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Yeah! Way to dominate!
Take that, NL! The AL has won four out of the last eight World Series, and the NL has only won-
Never mind.
Yeah, so, anyway, the Junior/Senior Circuit is about age. Cal Ripken Jr. didn’t suddenly get named Cal Ripken Sr. because he had a better career than his dad.
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
Cradbaby
Junior Circuit is nothing more than a name for the A.L. that has been used for over 100 years.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Who's dodging now?
Still dodging the issue of the AL dominance of the weak NL.
QUESTION: How many of the 16 National League teams own winning records in the history of Interleague play?
ANSWER: 5 (St. Louis, New York and Houston – hold down winning percentages between 51 and 52 percent.)
All-Star Games 1989-2008:
AL 15 wins
NL 4 wins
World Series Titles 1988-2008:
AL 12 6 sweeps
NL 7 1 sweep
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
More...
NL Interleague leaders:
Marlins 110-91
Braves 103-93
Nine of the 14 AL clubs (64%) are above the .500 mark, led by the Yankees at 123-87. Even the Tigers, who rank eighth on the list at 113-98, have a better winning percentage than the second-highest-ranked National League team.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
dont stop there
what about Spring Training and the All Star Game
please Crawbad, you are impressing me more and more with each post (rolls eyes)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I'd like to see you...
… address with some substance.
You have failed to seriously address this issue that we’ve discussed in past threads about the AL/NL.
You post and run, confronted with FACTS you merely resort to insults. No substance to support your argument.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
I gave you stats showing it is mixed
you gave your argument, and it was done. You seem to feel the need to continue for no reason.
have a nice day
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
HAH!
The results are hardly mixed, as you claimed. You posted offensive stats for NL/AL teams and then ran. To refresh your failing memory, I stated in response:
The top tens teams are majority AL teams in each team category – DrCrawdad
If it’s so clear, why can’t you address a simple matter regarding the vast superiority of the AL in interleague play?
You seem to feel the need to continue for no reason. – Cubbie-Tim
So, now you want to close the debate but not before issuing your petty put-downs.
No, you can’t debate further because you know the facts don’t support you. How telling of you.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
here is a stat
you have 1900+ posts here adn 10 on your Sox group. Are you a Cubs fan based on these stats?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
No answer to the vast inferiority of the NL in 10+ years of interleague play?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Craw...
please, go talk to your fellow Sox fans. You spend more time talking in a Cubs group, but say youa re not a Cubs fan, would not line up with your opwn posting “Stats”
we both could find 100 things to argue back and forth with, so its a waste of time to keep throwing another stat out, when all it does is continue a conversation that not only is pointless, but even Al has asked to be ended.
That being said, please go talk to your Sox fans, so that your “stats” shjow you as a Sox fan, not a Cubs fan.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Why can't you answer one direct question...
… I’ve asked several baseball questions and you’ve ran and hid. I’ve smashed ever stat you’ve presented.
So let’s keep it real simple, I presented a simple question and you’ve had 5 or more posts dodging since then.
Here I’ll try again:
why can’t you address a simple matter regarding the vast superiority of the AL in interleague play?
I’ve tried to keep this on baseball. You want to turn it personal with your petty digs and insults. Can you stick to the facts?
If you want to have an honest, candid discussion of why I’m here feel free to email me.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Seriously, Dr. Crawdad...
… I have let you post here unimpeded because, generally, you are an intelligent baseball fan.
The term “Junior Circuit” refers to the age of the AL compared to the NL. Nothing more, nothing less.
I’d like you to stop this thread right here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Stop in the name of love
The term "Junior Circuit" refers to the age of the AL compared to the NL. Nothing more, nothing less.
Al, this is a baseball debate and believe the record shows that I’ve debated it fairly. “Cubbie-Tim” and I have discussed this previously, he just doesn’t have the proof to his assertions so you’re right. No use discussing it further. The NL is inferior, as the facts show. Case closed.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
[please correct yourself
the post here that got you up in arms was from Cubbinstrongsince86 not me. you need to look up in the thread, and follow it. I know it may be hard to do, but I am sure you can.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Not up in arms, unless you consider ROFLMAO at his comment, "up in arms."
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
well, I agree to end this
AL offense (by your selective numbers) is better on average not as an entirety.
Does this mean that NL pitching is better then?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
but DrCraw
you have to admit, based on the numbers, you are a Cubs fan, not a Sox fan (almost 2k more posts in a Cubs board than the Sox board).
So based on Stats alone, you are not as much of a Sox fan as you are a Cubs fan.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Finally!
NL pitching has the distinct advantage of facing a pitcher & NL lineups. That’s a reason why I’m not usually keen on the Sox acquiring NL pitchers.
Still no reasons, facts or logic in response to the vast AL superiority in 10+ years of interleague games?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
It surely builds my post total...
… when I face evasive folks like you whom it takes a dozen posts to try to get you to answer simple questions.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Seriously, my final answer, seriously...
Yesterday no one was attacking me. I even got compliments when I posted the subject, ""highly-paid professionals stealing salaries."
I’ve updated my profile to address the oft-asked diversionary question, “Why are you here?” Although I thought it was more or less addressed in my signature.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
and regarding the NL vs. AL
my point was that they are mixed, not dominated like you say.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
peavy
better hope the brewers or cardinals dont get him.
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