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The time has come! Soriano to 2B

Today's Sun-Times reports that Lou is reaching for his nuclear option.

Soriano in 2B and the Hoff in LF.

The story doesn't say, but presumably, Fontenot/Freel platoon at 3B and Miles is taken out behind a barn and shot.

Dear sweet mother in heaven, I fear for the infield defense. If D. Lee gets yanked or gets hurt, we get Jake Fox at 1B and that will lead to a six-error game.

Seriously, who in this lineup would you even consider average defensively? Fukudome in CF, Lee at 1B and Soto as catcher?

Hold me.

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More Runs Scored Maybe, But...

I don’t see these moves strengthening what has been an anemic offensive attack lately. The defense might not be any better than what a lot of AAA teams have with these changes. I think Soriano has improved a lot in LF. This is no time to put him back at 2B, a position he never played well. Hoffpauir is not a good outfielder.

Let’s say the Cubs score more runs with this new lineup. They could very well give up more runs because of bad defense. Is the supposed increase in runs scored going to make up for the increased amount of runs being allowed because of poor defense?

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on May 22, 2009 7:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soriano isn't a second baseman anymore

I understand that Lou wants to get Hoffpauir batting, and I understand why moving Soriano to second makes sense to people, but it cannot be a long term solution.

His UZR at second is horrific. -18.5 his last year there with the Rangers.

Oh Mark DeRosa how we need you at third base.

by nji232 on May 22, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Emphasize Maybe On More Runs Scored

Too often in baseball, players take their “gloves” to bat with them. Because Sori and Hoff would be concentrating so much on adapting to an old position (in Sori’s case) or a fairly new position (in Hoff’s case), their offense might suffer because of the attention on defense taking away from their concentration on hitting.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on May 22, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things like this

Prove the worth of Aramis Ramirez. And what his bat out of the line-up does to this offense.

by Galvan316 on May 22, 2009 7:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But, but, but...

The sabermatricians (or whatever) say that we’ll only lose 1 win without him!!!

by kanderber on May 22, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I went back and forth with vivaelpujols about that. as i told him, there comes a time to throw the stats out that project, and look at the reality

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely.

Stats are a great but at a certain point common sense has to prevail.

by kanderber on May 22, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stats aren't common sense? Stats are--gasp!--facts!

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 22, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

to put it in a different way..

stats only account for things that you can measure quantitatively. You cannot quantify a number of intangibles and that can be measured by subjective analysis.

Do you really believe that the loss of Aramis Ramirez only accounts for 1 loss? May be it does in true mathematical sense but the collateral effect creates a far greater damage which then requires a much more complex analysis

by cubsnlinux on May 22, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Done.

It is like taking accounting in college, the numbers always balance out, but in reality they seldom do.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The other thing is that while stats are good for large groups

(for example, the batting average of the entire league will be X, and it’s a pretty safe bet that the prediction will be within a small margin of that), the margin of error gets real big real fast as you start narrowing your predictions to individuals.

by znohitter on May 22, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't put words in my mouth.

I never said anything remotely close to A-Ram’s DL stint costing X amount of wins or losses.

I’m not ignorant enough to think statistical analysis is the end-all to determining which team to field on a given day, but it’s hellva smarter than doing what’s traditionally been done—going with gut instinct or “feelings” all the time. Pretty sure the Boston Red Sox won two championships after hiring Bill James, and the Rays made the Series doing simliar things, just as two examples off the top of my head.

I’ll give you another example, a bit closer to home for me…teaching. How do you know Suzie deserves an “A” in history class? Thirty years ago, the teacher said “Suzie worked hard, gave her best effort, and did pretty good on tests”. Now, whether or not it’s due to No Child Left Behind or more practical commonsense, teachers have tools and skill sets to use quantifiable data to know exactly WHY Suzie deserved an “A”, not just a gut feeling. Teachers use data-based decision making, progress monitoring, etc. Sure, teachers still use some subjective, qualitative analysis when making these decisions, but they are damn more confident (and accurate) in assigning grades when using a mixed-methodology. This is a taste of what I do every day…and the teachers that refuse to consider both approaches are (1) Old or retiring soon or (2) stubborn and missed the commonsense train.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 22, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um....a little sensitive today?

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on May 22, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, not really.

I’m feeling quite manly; I squatted this morning at the gym and am gonna play some basketball later. Only thing more manly than that would be to wear war paint or night-vision goggles while do it.

And I’ll crush a beer over my skull later.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 22, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok..let's do it..

“I’m not ignorant enough to think statistical analysis is the end-all to determining which team to field on a given day,”
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I didn’t imply that you are that ignorant..

“Pretty sure the Boston Red Sox won two championships after hiring Bill James”
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Great, How many rings did OAK win in the past few years? My only point is you don’t need to arrive at a conclusion by trying to tie the result to one contributing factor.

Onto your teacher analysis -
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With all due respect, there were educated elite 30 years ago and there are educated elite now. Actually we are way behind in injecting quality education with all the modern tools, techniques etc. Teaching is an art and a science. Same with scouting. Going back to your example, 30 years ago (I would argue that good teachers do this even today) a teacher would look at say the poor results of a student and may ascertain that the student may be much better than the results are showing. Therein lies that touch or the ability to analyze the intangibles.

“and the teachers that refuse to consider both approaches are (1) Old or retiring soon or (2) stubborn and missed the commonsense train.”
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Agreed. That’s the whole point.

Peace out!

by cubsnlinux on May 22, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s 2 am, I forgot what we were discussing…(extends hand)…good chat, we’re all Cubs fans. No grudges here!

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 23, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realize you're being daft here but

That estimate is based on projected offensive production from the guys who are taking his place in the lineup.

Obviously those people haven’t been producing at their projected level. I think you fail to understand the point of a statistical projection.

by Wreckard on May 22, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking for myself

I understand that projections on it, but I also understand that you cannot take projected stats as the end all, that too many do.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of my friends that don't understand statistics say just this.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 22, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not quite sure what you're saying.

Projections are not a guarantee. They are simply an estimation using available information.

Sometimes teams or players do things that totally defy stats and projections. The 2007 Diamondbacks were outscored but ended up with the best record in the NL.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 22, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really a statistician,

but an estimate would seem be an educated guess, not necessarily based on anything concrete, while a projection would always be based on available data.

I estimate my car is about 15 feet long, but I project it will get 28 mpg on the next tank of gas.

by znohitter on May 22, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe that's not the right description because I don't think an estimate is the same as a guess.

I’m thinking of an estimate like a moving company will give you estimating the cost of the move. They take the known factors into account and use them to determine how much the move will cost and give you an estimate.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 22, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, an educated guess.

I guess that would be based on the data you collected during your past experiences, though, which would by my definition be a projection… grrr, English language, why must you have so many words that mean almost the same thing?

by znohitter on May 22, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we should just get out the magic 8 ball

like when we were kids? Ahhh, the good old days!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 22, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear that mantra all the time around here

I don’t see anyone who understands stats actually doing this though. Even this example here – Ramirez went down, so someone said “Hey let’s estimate what that will cost the Cubs exactly”.

No one said “Hey let’s not bother to play the games for the next 4-6 weeks while he’s out since we know what will happen anyway.”

You’re arguing against a strawman you built and put nerd glasses on.

by Wreckard on May 22, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

it was posted more than once that according to the numbers, Aram being out will cost us ONE win. So no I AM NOT making it up.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realize you're being an asshole here but...

I understand what a projection is, dick.

I also understand the absurdity of saying that replacing Aramis Ramirez with Aaron Miles/Bobby Scales for two months is only going to cost us one game.

Sometimes some baseball fans have their noses so deep in the stat books that common sense escapes them.

by kanderber on May 22, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The namecalling is not acceptable.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry...

But I don’t like being called daft for no reason.

by kanderber on May 22, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your point, but using the words you used wasn't necessary.

Be the bigger man.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano at the top and Aramis in the cleanup spot

The two most important players for our offense. They might be the two players we cannot afford to lose.

Oh Mark DeRosa how we need you at third base.

by nji232 on May 22, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to hear about it...

the cardinals didn’t have much difficulty beating us without Ludwick, did they? Injuries happen. Good teams don’t completely shut down when one guy is out.

by reedjohnson on May 22, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Ludwick isn't their best hitter

A-Ram is ours. They still have Pujols. And I would think that without Pujols, the Cardinals wouldn’t be doing as well as they are right now

"The finish line is just the start of the next race."

by Sobenergy on May 22, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+16

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, think about how many runs Pujols helped generate this series.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh...Miles

Maybe Lou won’t persuade Hendry to trade away good hitters anymore just because they aren’t left handed. Who doesn’t think the Cubs would have 1-2 more wins this year if DeRosa was still here and Miles wasn’t?

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on May 22, 2009 8:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

There’s a solution: get DeRosa back.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you're being sarcastic here.

One of the reasons he hasn’t hit well is the ballpark.

He has a .307 lifetime average in Wrigley Field and would be a perfect addition to this team, which could use a player who can play multiple positions.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we have to remember we're not looking for Mark DeRosa 2008,

but a flexible player who can back up all outfield positions and most infield positions and is better than Ryan Freel or Aaron Miles. The 2009 DeRosa fills that order with potential for improvement.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 22, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if it's not just the park?

What if we trade for DeRosa and he never gets hitting?

I still say that spending our trade chips on DeRosa is paying too much for a solution that only fixes half of the backup IF problem.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 22, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have players who can play multiple positions.

Giving up anything of value would be an overreaction to a bad situation (Ramirez’s injury) and a recent rash of bad hitting.

If you believe that Freel and Fontenot can turn things around and start hitting like they have in the past then there’s really no need for Derosa’s ability to play multiple positions poorly.

by Wreckard on May 22, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa plays multiple positions poorly?

Since when? No one complained about his versatility the two years he was here.

I do think Fontenot will hit as he has before. Freel, though, has been in decline the last three years. He was a poor acquisition, although at least he got Gathright off the roster.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have time to look it up right now

But iirc he plays below average defense at every position except outfield.

by Wreckard on May 22, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

even if you are correct

he is still an upgrade from MIles, and Freel

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Al, dero is perfect!!

He could play 3rd while ramirez is down, let fontenot play 2nd, and when rami comes back and if fontenot isn’t producing still then have dero play 2nd. It would give us major options. Options we need!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on May 22, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al

Do you think there is any way Hendry will try and make a move for DeRosa? I

by PieFan08 on May 22, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he does.

He’s exactly what this team needs.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

…give Miles somewhere, anywhere. Just not on the right or left side of the Cubs infield.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on May 22, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point,

maybe we should consider putting Z in the infield.

(And I would be willing to hold you, Worf, but I fear your walnutty forehead would keep digging into my shoulder. Or that you would bite me. :P)

by znohitter on May 22, 2009 8:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

or Koyie Hill

at 3B for an inning or two and see if he can play there worth a damn. He was hitting and calling the games nicely before being benched for Soto when he returned

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, no, I still can't agree with this.

Leave Freel at third and get the guys who are supposed to hit – Soriano, Bradley, Theriot, etc. – to start working together to generate runs. No one is going to replace Aramis Ramirez’s offense production – no one. All the Cubs can do is strengthen the defense a that position and then get as much as offense as they can from the players who are supposed to hit.

I’d really, really like to start seeing something from Milton Bradley. I’m trying to be as patient as I can, but the odd breathtaking home run amidst a seemingly endless series of weak groundouts to the right side is just unacceptable. Help us, Obi-Wan, you are our only hope.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

and this is why if they do make a trade before ARAM comes back, I contend it should be for an arm in the bullpen. At some point, we have to come to grasps that this offense without ARAM is not going to score as many runs and thus preventing runs by the other team is more of a premium in this current configuration

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on May 22, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am not saying for every game

but to get him in the game some. he was hitting (unlike Soto) yet sits on the bench with Hoff. BOth of them need to get more AB’s IMO and it was just a thought. Never know, Hill might surprise many (like those who said Hoff should not see the field during ST)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'd like to see Hill get more chances, too.

But only behind the plate.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I agree this move is a horrible defensive move

This team needs something right now. After watching the last few games, our bats are completely cold. Lou needs to do something to spark the offense. Try it for one game, maybe lose it on a Sori error or two, but try to get the offense going, because that’s what is hurting this team right now.

"The finish line is just the start of the next race."

by Sobenergy on May 22, 2009 8:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Please NO!

This would be a really stupid idea and would basically be just a “Band-aid” approach to the season.

I think there are better ways to solve this problem.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on May 22, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this for real?

Links anywhere? I cant believe they would do this

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 22, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Paul Sullivan's article on this topic

Here

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's sorta real.

I saw the video last night ,and Lou definitely said it. But I wasn’t entirely clear whether he was joking or not. A lot of laughter followed the quote, but Lou left it kind of up in the air whether he’d really do it.

I wouldn’t put playing Soriano at second past Lou if things get any worse (can’t believe I just typed that), but it would truly be a sign of desperation.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially Since Soriano has become one of the best LF in the game

this is a few years too late

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, and he was never a good second baseman to begin with, of course.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or hop while covering first on a bunt?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right now

I’d take the possibility of extra runs scored over giving up 1 or 2 from lack of defense. If Lou think the risk is worth the rewards then lets do it.

by ak123 on May 22, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lou has to do something to mix things up.

With 2 more hits last night, I’m convinced there is some sort of resurgence in Derrek Lee. His average over the last 10 games is .314 and he didn’t strike out last night. He’s making contact.

I don’t disagree with the calls to find playing time for Hoffpauir’s bat, but disagree the solution is to start Hoff in place of Lee. They’ve been so similar over the last month there is no upside. Derailing Lee as he appears to be getting on track may derail his entire season idea. Further, Lee’s defensive skills would have to errode much more to equal Hoff’s.

Hoff in left and Sori to 2b is a perfect experiment against the lowly Padres. If it happens, I will be watching through my fingers and chewing a towel Tarkanian style.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 22, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree on Lee...

probably should leave him in there for now, but here is what I would do.

Sit Bradley and insert Hoff into RF for a few games and put Bobby Scales at 2nd for a while.

Worst case scenario is I would call up one of our 2b men from the minors (like Tony Thomas) to see what they could do.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on May 22, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley needs to keep going

We invested a lot into him and he will not be given days off for a while considering the games he has missed and the games he needs to play per his contract.

I think two weeks from now we all will be a lot happier with Milton.

by PieFan08 on May 22, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee’s defensive skills would have to errode much more to equal Hoff’s.

Wrong.

Hoff is not horrible, and Lee is no longer the Gold Glover he once was (due to age and his neck). You are using the anti Hoff mentality that many have posted here (and incorrectly about his defense) and comparing that to Lee’s reputation.

Lee is better defensive, but they are not light years apart as you suggest

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseline

But the question is, what is Lee’s true baseline now? You’re insisting he’s heating up…but how hot does he truly get? He’s already a singles hitter with occasional doubles power and a HR once in awhile. Is he .270, 15, 80? If those are his numbers, I’ll take Hoffpauir.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on May 22, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

will heating up

be a small streak or a long term thing?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't going to happen

Next subject.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on May 22, 2009 8:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so Lou adn MLB

both who have said it will happen, are lying to the world?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou said it was a last resort

Lou talks a lot and I’m willing to bet he was just talking out some random ideas after a brutal series.

by dr stabbingworth on May 22, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that you never know with Lou

but BLou tends to think he knows everything

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does!

And don’t you forget it

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko

by DTJchris on May 22, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitching is King!

And that worked out well for us the past series, now didn’t it?

by znohitter on May 22, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cards pitching was just Kingier.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitching is god.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 22, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitching is Buda

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lilly is idolized by God

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, this is a pitching King.

Never did find out if he had a boy or a girl.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

ha

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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on May 22, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 22, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want Sori at 2nd

What happened to Lou playing the hot hand? Hill should be seeing much more time behind the plate and Hoff getting one start at first per series. Fontenot back to a platoon at second with the switchhitter Scales. Freel will have to handle third, yes he had the bad throw last night, but also the two real nice ones. He is a better option than Fonty.

by BleedsbluinMI on May 22, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Derrek Lee

has actually shown some life at the plate. He won’t get playing time ahead of Lee.

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Born: August 18, 2008

by Unique on May 22, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree about Freel.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Instead of putting two defensive spots at risk

just do one. Put Hoff in right if you’re going to insist on playing Lee at first. For the love of God it doesn’t seem that tough. Hoff’s bat NEEDS to be in the lineup with Aram missing.

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by cubswynn on May 22, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's keep in mind that Lou says a lot of things, sometimes to cause a stir.

Remember, at the beginning of spring training training when Lou said that he was going to try out moving Soriano down in the order? Then, in the next day or so he then said never mind, he was only thinking about it and had decided not to move him.

Also, remember how Lou wanted to move Ryan Dempster to the starting rotation in 2007 and later in the day decided not to?

I take anything Lou says (particularly anything radical or controversial) with skepticism. I think many times, he’s trying to get some kind of reaction from the media. In this case, I think he’s trying to get the media and fans to talk about moving Soriano to second instead of their dismal offensive production.

The bottom line is I think Lou is trying to take the pressure off his team by making this rather wacky statement about moving Soriano back to second base.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 22, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen

I think it may just be a mini-tirade. Something to light a fire under these guys’ butts.

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by hansman1982 on May 22, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

I was at the game last night, and I see it slightly differently.

Pressing:
Soriano, Theriot, Fontenot, Soto

Pressing but getting better, maybe:
Lee, Bradley

Playing well:
Fukudome

Shouldn’t be playing:
Freel

Should be playing(only walk of the game, I think):
Scales

I saw a bunch of outs last night that were hard-hit line drives on pitcher’s counts, and some solid contact. It’s a step, and sooner or later, some of those balls are going to drop. They had about five hits last night, and started to work counts deeper after the 5th. I think that focusing on good at-bats without worrying about hits as much might get the pitchers to throw them better pitches, and put the defense in a worse position to field those line-drives.

Just pose this question to yourself:
If Milton had hit his line drive 30 feet further, tied the game in the 9th, and the Cubs lost in EI, would you still feel the same way?

Because Milton was about 1/2" from hitting a scalding liner into the stands.

Lee had a couple nice hits, and Bradley hit the ball very hard his last time up. I see the seeds of hitting sewn, and maybe if Lou doesn’t start Hoff at 2B, we might get out of this funk.

(Obvious caveats)

by cubbybear on May 22, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So who should play third base then?

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but you can no longer field or hit...

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 22, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boyyy

There is a reason we put you on the 60 day in your 10th season in the bigs.

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by hansman1982 on May 22, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would only be a 33 year old Rookie

and would allow for many great posts about it :-)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Fontenot probably is the best option of the bad options, right now

Though maybe Freel can hit better, he might need time to get settled in.

by cubbybear on May 22, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freel has an established history as a third baseman.

Fontenot does not. Again, no one is going to replace Aramis Ramirez’s offense, so I have very low expectations of Freel offensively. He just needs to hold down the hot corner defensively until Aramis comes back. I agree with you, though – Freel probably does need time to settle in as he’s had a mere 30 PAs all season.
 
And assuming none of the Fontenot-Miles-Scales three-headed beast is going to hit the cover off the ball, I’d rather just leave LBR in there, hope his bat comes around and keep the defense at that position as strong as possible. Mike has established himself as a strong defensive second baseman.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last time Ryan Freel played more than a handful of games at 3B in a season...

… was in 2004.

Why anyone thought he could be a decent replacement for Ramirez is beyond me.

We need DeRosa back.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that's still more experience than Fontenot has.

And Freel enables the Cubs to keep LBR where he belongs – at second base. I would hope no one thought Freel could replace Aramis Ramirez, but he was available and he’s here. He just needs to act as a defensive placeholder until Aramis is back. If Hendry could get DeRo back, I’d shed no tears in seeing Freel released.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freel wasnt brought in to replace

we traded for him the day before ARam got injured

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but I'm assuming Hendry...

…grabbed him because he could play third base. It was pretty clear coming out of spring training that this team had 0 depth at third base and shortstop. They still have 0 depth at the latter.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that no doubt

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, a short time ago, you wanted Jim Edmonds back.

What we really need is for Soto, Lee and Bradley to hit. That is the solution to our offensive issues.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on May 22, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's absolutely correct.

That still doesn’t solve the “no infield depth” problem.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So when the bats do come back...

…the defense will be so porous that the Cubs can’t hold a lead.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about this for a novel idea

Since everyone seems to be so hard pressed that these guys are underperforming because of defensive worries and adjusting…try leaving them in the same spot for a few games at a time? Or maybe a series against a weak team will fix all of our woes and after a 3 games sweep of the Padres will cure all that ails us.

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by hansman1982 on May 22, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good to me

The team is walking around with its heads hung low right now. They need something to loosen them up.

Also, does anyone see the Cubs keeping pace with the Brewers and Cards without A-Ram over the next two months? I certainly don’t. I remember when Lou was able to tinker with the team until he found a formula that worked in ‘07. That is what he is searching for again. I imagine we’ll see some kids from the minors get a shot too. I personally wouldn’t mind seeing Tony Thomas getting a couple of at-bats before all is said and done.

by FanBall on May 22, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lineup

Soriano 2B
Fukudome CF
Lee 1B
Hoffpauir LF
Bradley RF
Soto C
Fontentot 3B
Theriot SS
Pitcher

That’d be a pretty nice lineup tonight against the right hander Peavy. I say do it!

by paulucla on May 22, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Which would be worse defensively?

Soriano at 2B or Fox at 3B?

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 22, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's like a Zen Koan.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox at 3B.

Fox anywhere in the field is worse than Soriano anywhere in the field.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 22, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is not mincing words.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 22, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox at 3rd

Soriano may not be a great 2nd baseman, but he has played that position in the World Series before.

by PieFan08 on May 22, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was totally against this...

and figured it was just Lou thinking out loud, and there’s no chance this will happen.

But then I remembered that if Soriano could get 2B eligibility it would help my fantasy team tremendously, since that’s my weakest spot. So I propose Lou plays Soriano at 2B for 10 games, and it doesn’t have to be the whole game, then we move him back to LF and forget about him playing 2B ever again.

Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.

by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on May 22, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping you and your sig line would chime in here.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 22, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course.

Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.

by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on May 22, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems reasonable.

Anything else we can do for ya?

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by dtpollitt on May 22, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how about we trade for your fantasy baseball teams best players

and never let anyone else bat off the bench

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 22, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got an idea!!!

Let’s get Jake Peavy and trade Zambrano for Ian Kinsler!!!

Dreams! Oh Wonderful dreams!

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on May 22, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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