Growing SOOOOO weary of Zambrano's clown act
by Worf on May 22, 2009 11:24 PM CDT
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Don't bring me the crap that he's a baseball player. A baseball player sees a man on third with two outs and tries to choke up and put one over the infield.
A baseball player doesn't waste the gutsy move Hill made to get to third.
Zambrano is a sideshow. His at-bats are jokes. Peavy made him look like a Little Leaguer and Zambrano is too stupid or stubborn to get it. It is no longer cute.
There are 20 pitchers in the NL (and probably 5 in the AL) that would have done a better job there, so don't bring me this Silver Slugger garbage.
We always talk about selling high around here.
If I'm Hendry, I'd ask around.
I grow weary of the clown show.
Oh, and by the way... I'm sooooooooo thrilled with that Hoffpauir move. 4Ks... Nice job Micah. Go back to AAA where defense doesn't matter.
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I like Zambrano
I have a T-Shirt with his name on the back.
I’ve been proud to see him start 5 times which is a lot since I live in CT.
I’ve seen him hit at least 3 HR’s.
Am I in the minority liking him?
by ak123 on May 22, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, I am in the minority for growing tired of him
I admit that.
But I think it’s time to consider he will never reach his potential because he has nothing between his ears.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 22, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're just frustrated with the last week
I will admit that sometimes Zambrano’s at bats take over trying to win a game. I did not see tonights game until the 8th.
However Zambrano is not the problem. I don’t think if he did get a hit in key situations we would have won tonight. Just like you’re in the minority for Zambrano I’m in the minority that Lou and Cubs management has to take a look at the coaching staff. Baserunning, hitting, etc needs to be evaluated and maybe a new approach could help?
by ak123 on May 22, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's when I left Petco Park!
Yeah, he was swinging for the fences. I was sitting 16 rows up, straight on with the RF foul line,
to the right of the Cubs dugout. Z was swinging mightily.
However, the — 9 to 10 LOB (I don’t know the exact total — as I said, I got the hell out of there) was the major reason the Cubs lost, not because of Z’s failure at the plate.
4 LOB in the first 2 innings was a problem…H-Paur’s attempts to hit Peavy’s slider to SD’s east mountain range were pitiful. That’s where blame is to be placed. A damned single with men on base would have sufficed. However, that was a shitty lineup and wasn’t going to beat Peavy under any situations.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 23, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, Soriano's 3K's didn't help either
Maybe he hit the Golden Sombero, I don’t know. I was out.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 23, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give him a break
2 weeks ago you were bashing him saying batting is not one of his jobs cuz he hurt himself beating out a bunt for a HIT, but now you’re on him for not puttin the ball in play with 2 outs. Maybe he was just swinging hard to hit a homerun so he could jog around the bases instead of maybe gettin a in case base hit and maybe hurt himself and have you post yet another bashing of Big Z. What if he would of knocked one between short and third but came up limping but drove in the run would he still be a clown?
by Eric16 on May 23, 2009 12:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I bashed him for stupidity
and making the game about him. Look at Z, look at how he bunts! Look at how he stomps around the mound! Look at how he swings! Look at how he refuses to drink water and leaves with cramps!
He’s the bearded lady at the circus. Weird and ugly.
He’s a stupid player. He has no baseball common sense whatsoever.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't like zambrano either
he’s not a bad pitcher, and he can hit from time to time, but he IS a clown, you’re right, and he’s not a GREAT pitcher and i think he’s one of the highest paid pitcher in baseball which is another example of bad spending by J.H.
by amory blaine on May 23, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like him (big surprise),
but he does have maturity issues, it’s true.
Judd Sirott is responsible for EVERYONE'S injury. And all the current slumps.
Bradley watch -- out 10 games of 39
by znohitter on May 23, 2009 12:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My Idea...
Get Peavey, keep both for a year to see if we can win this thing. Once Peavey’s contract get huge, trade Z to the yankees… they’ll take him
by TheHawkRules on May 23, 2009 12:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
but would z go?
on his contract extension he got a NTC.
by Allie on May 23, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For enough $, yeah...
…but it doesn’t have to be the Yankees. He could bring some good young players to our team.
by TheHawkRules on May 23, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could start pissing him off too
Start putting the bunt sign on every time he’s up.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But would those young players help the Cubs now?
That’s what we want, right? To win now?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on May 23, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dat Cubfan Daver
Would it help the Cubs now?
Did you read my post? I said… “Get Peavey, keep both for a year to see if we can win this thing. Once Peavey’s contract get huge, trade Z…”
by TheHawkRules on May 23, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL - "Get Peavy."
Like it’s that simple. Not sure if you were paying attention, but Hendry tried to “get Peavy” during the off-season. Didn’t work out. There was a Fanpost or two.
And “trade Z to the Yankees” like that’s that simple. He’s got a NTC. He’s not going to an AL team, where he can’t swing the bat, to play third fiddle to CC and A.J. And he’s not going to a basement team like the Washington Nationals for Ryan Zimmerman to play Old Man River next to Strasburg.
My point is, trading Z for young talent would only help the Cubs in the future. No one is going to give the Cubs any difference-making pieces right now. And, again, Z isn’t going to just accept any ol’ trade.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 23, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I touched upon your remarks...
Z will go for the oppertunity to win and to make $.
As for the issue with Z for young talent, I guess you aren’t understanding what I am saying…
No big deal mate.
by TheHawkRules on May 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you know
Z personally you have no idea if he will accept a trade.
by sue369 on May 23, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Sue
and I believe the only AL team he would go to is the White Sox, whom he has admitted to liking.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Z would go where money talks…
by TheHawkRules on May 23, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did he tell you that?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you say you know what Z will do
so I am asking when Z told you this information
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 24, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make it sound
like you know personally what Z would do. If you have proof as to what he would do put up if not shut up.
by sue369 on May 24, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
No… YOU shut up.
OK… now you say back, SHUT UP you mean doggy.
And I’ll say back to you, NO! You SHUT UP you mean kitty!
And then… you warble on like a lost, handicap cow… etc…
And the cycle never ends.
I have the right to state my opinion. If you don’t like it, then, move to Iran.
by TheHawkRules on May 24, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, keep stating it.
Your credibility is dropping faster than Aaron Miles’ OPS.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I have to laugh.
Like Z is making chump change right now.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 24, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Like it’s that simple. Not sure if you were paying attention, but Hendry tried to "get Peavy" during the off-season. Didn’t work out. There was a Fanpost or two.”
Why you crying for? Chill out dude. No use to argue… I just asked if you read my post because by reading your comments, it didn’t appear that you did. Don’t go and get all defensive and want to start a sissy fight.
by TheHawkRules on May 23, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem with the Cubs
They’re so hard up to win a championship that they mortgage the future for the present. When will they try to build up their farm in order to win from within the organization? They’ve tried to buy a WS title for it seems like my entire lifetime. No matter when the Cubs start to win again, they’re not a championship caliber team. I’d trade Aram, Gregg, Lee (if he’ll waive his NTC), Harden, and BigZ. Think of how much return they could have with those guys?
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack." - Sun Tzu
by propheteer on May 23, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd keep ARam
The rest could be trade bait. Anyway,.. this whole this has strayed quite far from my orginal post.
All I said was try to get Peavey, and see if we can with this thing with what we got until the big bucks of his contract have to be paid. When that day comes, trade Z for some good prospects. We’ll still have a number 1 in Peavey, who is better and more reliable then Z, have some prospects… unless Hendry gives him away for nothing.
Anyway… it’s opinion. I have no idea why people want to come and argue crap like this. Kinda silly… lol
by TheHawkRules on May 23, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
problem is Peavy doesnt score runs
pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem
pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem
pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem
pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem
pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem
please read it again
pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem
maybe this will allow people to stop crying for Peavy when we need a bat
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Genius...(Cubbie-Tim)
I never said we couldn’t get any hitting… the whole thread is about Zambrano. I’d rather have Peavey for my number 1 than Z.
If this thread was about what we need, or about hitting, etc… I’d talk about hitting.
Breathe deeply. Take a chill… I guess us losing is making people hallucinating.
Also, I was never crying. I think somebody who has to post a comment and repeat the same thing over and over in is more likely to be crying that i am.
Is your nose running?
Do you need a tissue?
Awww…. such an ugly baby.
Geez people… grow up.
by TheHawkRules on May 23, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snarky Mc Snarkster
who knows what Z will or Wont do (rolls eyes)
First of, I was not saying you in particular, just over all. People are hanging on the jock of Peavy, which is not a needed piece to our team. We need a bat.
Is your nose running?
NO, but thanks fro asking
Do you need a tissue?
NO, but thanks fro asking
Awww…. such an ugly baby,
really? I didnt know I had one, who is the mother?
Geez people… grow up.
Does growing up include not saying we know what someone we never spoke to will or will not do, like Z for example?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of relevant
to talk about Z and the rest of the underachieving veterans on this team. They haven’t won anything together, so I believe it’s time to cut bait on this group and build for the future. A young, up and coming team rather than an aging nucleus that can’t seem to get over the hump. I’d trade ARam too because he would yield a lot on the open market; I’m sure a team like the Red Sox would/could use him to replace Big Papi (Youk to 1st).
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack." - Sun Tzu
by propheteer on May 24, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question isn't what has been the problem.
The question is – what will be the problem in the games that remain.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 24, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, kinda silly.
I mean, who would want to discuss the Cubs and realistic trade scenarios on a site like this? LMAO. ROFL.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 24, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"No use to argue" - you're tellin' me.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 24, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no use to argue
It’s stupid to do so…
I’m a Peavey fan. I would love to see him on this team. Some people, like CubbieTim, don’t like me stating my thoughts or opinions. No one is wrong, no one is right.
I’m not going to stop posting because some people hate to see someone say they want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want him to be our number 1, not Z. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey. I want Peavey.
HEY, Cubbie Tim… LOOK HERE —→>>>> DITCH Z and get PEAVEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Say it loud and say it proud!
lol….see, this is all so silly.
by TheHawkRules on May 24, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You certainly proved my point.
By the way, for someone who loves Peavy so much, you might want to look into the correct spelling of his name. (Hint: Read the preceding sentence again very carefully.)
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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Dude… what’s you’re problem? Why do you take all of this so seriously? I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I am mocking at how serious you and others are. And if you want to talk about spelling, and trying to insult me by misspelling a man’s name… (like i care) Obviously, you have to be a complete moron because you misspelled the world PROBLEM about 30 times over in a previous post.
You wrote…
“pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem
pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem
pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem
pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem
pitching HAS NOT been the ptoblem”
Incredible genius there.
Dude… I’m sorry that people have the right to state their thoughts and opinions because obviously, if they don’t agree with you… they all must be stupid. Sorry that you don’t have much of a life mate… hope things get better for ya.
by TheHawkRules on May 26, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
I got dat cubfan daver and Cubbie-Time mixed up. Regardless, both of you guys, and others here… need to chill and not take things so seriously.
I honestly would rather talk to a religious fanatic and a politician sometimes than post on this site. I don’t mean that against Al, because i’ve been here for a few years now, and Al seems like a cool guy… and I love the Cubs… but man… some of you guys/gals… need to chill out and relax.
I don’t have to prove anything to any of you all, nor do you have to prove anything to me.
by TheHawkRules on May 26, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep typing, please.
I’m really enjoying your work.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
… I guess I could ponder who really is the moron… me, or the one who continues to argue with me.
by TheHawkRules on May 26, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
… that’s so silly. I hope your just bored at work and that this isn’t the sum of your existence. (Seems like it might be though)
by TheHawkRules on May 26, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've grown tired of...
worf’s emotional overreactions to the cubs. yes, we are all frustrated with the current losing streak but our starting pitching is the last place to point fingers at. out of the entire offense you choose to point a finger at zambrano’s bat? get serious worf, yes zambrano swings a good bat for a pitcher but i would point the finger at the other eight bats in the lineup before pointing at Z. save the histrionics for something more worthwhile than a critique of Z’s bat, especially after coming off the 15 day DL.
by wewantwood on May 23, 2009 1:13 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Crazy
You’re going to call out Zambrano for something related to hitting? That’s insanity. The only reason his hitting is even relevant is because he’s good at it for a pitcher. You want to get on him, do it for his results on the mound but lay off of him at the plate.
There are plenty of guys to hammer for their complete futility at the plate, Aaron Miles immediately coming to mind. Speaking of pitchers, Miles wouldn’t even be considered a decent hitter for a pitcher. And while you’re at it, keep off Hoffpauir too. I don’t care if he strikes out 100 times, he’s shown more production this season than four or five of the Cubs current and regular starters.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on May 23, 2009 8:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cult of the Hoff strikes again!
“I don’t care if he strikes out 100 more times! I just like him better!”
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
having fun playing with your straw man?
by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 23, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only it was a straw man...
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you said
I’m sooooooooo thrilled with that Hoffpauir move. 4Ks… Nice job Micah. Go back to AAA where defense doesn’t matter
well, he doesnt strike out playing defense, and his defense is NOT that bad, you are over exaggerating based on your personal stance agaist Hoff
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dead on Krummy
He needs to focus better on the mound, plain and simple. I’m tired of BigZ not getting through six innings and walking the entire team then him swinging for the fences.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack." - Sun Tzu
by propheteer on May 23, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh geez.
What a dumb rant.
You’re upset that Zambrano tried to drive the ball? The Cubs haven’t scored any runs in what seems like two weeks, and you’re upset that one of our hitters tried to drive the ball? Really?
by kanderber on May 23, 2009 8:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Since we've established
That you know nothing about baseball, I take this to mean I’m on the right track.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, okay then.
You’re the one ranting because the batter tried to drive the ball with runners in scoring position rather than “put one over the infield” yet I’M the one who knows nothing about baseball? Okay then!
by kanderber on May 23, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are relying on our starting pitchers to drive in runs now?
This rant is ridiculous. The Cubs haven’t been scoring runs all week long and you are going to point your finger at Big Z? You, sir, are insane.
by murphymj on May 23, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm pointing at the clown Zambrano
When I said two weeks ago that he should be more careful, I got shouted down because, “He’s a REAL baseball player!”
No, he’s not. He’s a clown. A real baseball player would have tried to do something with a man on third.
The game is all about what makes Zambrano look good. He cares about nothing else.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Take a chill pill, Worf. This rant is a bit silly.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a REAL player
He’s a NATIONAL LEAGUE PITCHER!
At least 5 AL pitchers would have had better at-bats.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at this thing through broader lenses
would most other pitchers have more quality ABs throughout a season than Big Z? No, they would not. Name those 5 AL pitchers for me, please. Ready, go……
by murphymj on May 23, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC Sabathia, Josh Beckett, Roy Halladay, Dontrelle Willis, Andy Sonnanstine
Not saying all would have come through, but they would have at least TRIED to score the runner instead of playing Home Run Derby.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would they have better AB's
their first game back from the DL? you sure?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am positive
Because Zambrano’s AB wasn’t about injury. It was about ego. He was trying to hit one 1,000 feet when the situation called for easing up.
I wouldn’t care so much except two weeks ago, I had to endure the nonsense that “Carlos is a COMPLETE player!”
No, he is not.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
because you can guarantee what a given player will do in any given at bat.. baseball is so predictable that way… these 5 perfect pitchers lay down perfect bunts at will
by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 23, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Earlier this season
I said the Cubs needed to shake the team up, a la the Nomar trade for the Red Sox in 2004.
We found our candidate.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You need to go out and enjoy youself today. Go for a long drive and
enjoy the nice spring day. Go watch a little league baseball game and have a hot dog. You are way to wound up about this. it’s baseball we’re talking about, not world peace. You are supposed t have fun enjoying the game. Ease up. It’s just a game. Keep repeating that to yourself. It’s only a game.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did that last game.
I was a good boy. I posted the “Things we hate” thread. I was optimistic.
That’s done. The freaking Padres???
I’m serious. The Red Sox traded a homegrown, oft-injured, prima donna who had wondrous talent and was immensely popular. They improved their defense and the rest of the team stepped it up.
It’s time. Lilly has been this staff ace for a long time now anyway. Call all four of the contending AL East teams and see who comes up with the best deal.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not time. Trying to trade one of your best pitchers in the midst of a team hitting slump
is panicking. This slump will end and the hitters will return to their liftime averages. Water finds its own level. Panicking in the face of adversity is exactly the wrong thing to do. The Cubs are 4 games out of first place. They could make that ground up in a good week. I admire your passion, but it’s a bit misguided. Big Z is not the problem with this team. You don’t cure a cold by cutting off your arm. Relax. This too shall pass.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sends a message
That
- No one is untouchable
- Unprofessional, “Me-first” garbage will not be tolerated
- The rotation of Lilly, Dempster, Harden (his DL stint is a traveshamockery), Marshall and Wells would be fine and that’s not counting whatever pitchers we could get back or call up.
Orlando Cabrera won a ring. Nomar never got one. There’s a lesson there.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try another message.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, we can do the one you're espousing
“Go ahead Carlos! Break the bat over your knee! That’s so cute!”
“Swing so hard you’ll break a rib in a choke-up situation! Awww, you’re such a real player!”
“No, you don’t need water! You’re SUPER CARLOS! Awww, you got cramps? That’s OK, we’ll apologize for you!”
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not espousing anything. Big Z is not the problem with this team. They
are in a hitting slump. Just because you are pissed off with him doesn’t mean that trading him will solve their ills. The team has score two runs in four games and you are crying about an AB by a pitcher. Next suggestion.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not just a pitcher!
He’s a PLAYER! Remember? He is a bonafide, slap-me-on-the-ass-and-call-me-Sugar Britches PLAYER!
That means he can do more, right?
The other players got beat. Zambrano beat himself. He does that quite a bit.
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neal Cotts has a ring. End of lesson.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Orlando Cabrera earned his
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cotts was one of the best pitchers on that team. He earned his too.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you what Worf -
I’d love to see a three-way trade where Z is sent to the south-side and Peavy comes to us. I doubt Z waives his NTC, though.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Z" is what he is.
He will look like a Cy young winner for 2 months then tank it for a month. He is not a ace in the sense of Santana, Halladay, CC, Lincecum, he is a good 1 1/2 starter. He is what 28 years old, we will be waiting a long time for him to get stronger mentally.
Trade him? Better get 4 players, and not players that will go to “A” Ball
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by Grockcubs on May 23, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of waiting
He may never get stronger mentally.
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So single out one strikeout out of the 16 the Cubs had last Night
As the reason why Carlos Zambrano is a clown.
That is utterly insane. Worf, you mentioned someones baseball intelligence in a previous post. Comments like this entire thread are going to make people question yours as well.
by Galvan316 on May 23, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano is a clown for a lot of other reasons
But it’s more than he struck out. Had he struck out actually trying to do something useful with the bat, I could see that.
He struck out trying to hit the ball 1,000 feet. It was a selfish, stupid play.
Had he struck out trying to poke one through the infield, or on a great pitch after a good at-bat, I wouldn’t have posted this.
He struck out trying to tear the cover off the ball. Peavy made him look like an idiot. We should just thank our lucky stars Peavy didn’t throw a change-up for strike three. Zambrano would have broken both ankles trying to swing.
I can live with failure. Sometimes a great pitcher is just that much better than you. I can live with slumps, even team-wide ones.
I am disgusted by selfishness and stupid play. Zambrano did both last night. And it’s not the first time.
Trading him would shake the franchise to its roots.
This is a franchise that needs shaken.
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And by trading Z
You make a strength of this team (Pitching) a Weakness. Which is counter-productive. Trading Z is not an addition by subtraction move.
by Galvan316 on May 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starting pitching was fantastic
The two weeks he was gone. Ted Lilly is the ace.
The subtraction to the pitching would be made up for by the addition to the rest of the team.
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree that the AB in question was ridiculous.
But the bottom line is Carlos Zambrano is a good starting pitcher. And good starting pitching is just about the only thing this team has going for it right now.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 23, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are other good pitchers
who are better team players.
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You gotta name names.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 23, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly, Dempster, Wells, Marshall, Harden
There’s 5
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Harden's hurt.
And, as much as I like Sean Marshall and have hopes for Randy Wells, neither rises to the level of a Carlos Zambrano. They’re both bottom-of-the-rotation-type guys. Are you saying the Cubs should try to trade Z for a bat? If so, again, I just don’t see a realistic trade scenario – especially given Z’s NTC.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 23, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden's injury is a sham
And reputation and supposed potential are the only things separating Z from Wells
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Marshall looks more mid-rotation to me. Sean Marshall is not an ace, but he is good.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he gets to that level!
I’ve always been a big fan.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His ERA has been consistently below 4 now three years running.
My biggest concern with Marshall was that he’d only be able to make it through the lineup once, but he’s actually gotten better this year as he’s faced batters the third time and more. His best pitching has come once he’s over 75 pitches.
If you look at the splits, in 2007-2008, he was getting killed over 75 pitches and the third time through the order. (Link takes you to 2007 splits.)
Now, Marshall’s FIP hasn’t been good this year, and we could be in for a disappointment, but I’m liking what I’m seeing.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Rule of Thumb
would be to make a post like this the day after the game not as soon as it ends. I get pissed myself and want to fire everyone then I get over it. Passion! It’s all good.
when asked about his performance against the Reds - Lieber said the following
"Well obviously I made some bad pitches today, left to many over the plate and they got good wood on the ball. The only good thing was that I was able to get back into the clubhouse earlier then I planned so I could eat."
by 1060 W Addison on May 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As a Cardinal fan..
when I saw this I was like “oh sweet, the Cubbie fans are starting to hate Zambrano’s silly antics too”…then I read it and realized that the poster was just throwing a silly fit over a really good hitting pitcher trying to drive in some runs. Wow….there are plenty of reasons to hate Zambrano, but this isn’t one of them. I’m sure you won’t be complaining the next time he is swinging for the fences and clubs an RBI double. I realize you are upset, but this post doesn’t make you look as smart as you say you are. If it were me, I’d take it down before anyone else reads it.
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on May 23, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The blind squirrel doesn't complain
when he finds a nut. But he still gets pretty hungry
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's bad when the wiser repartee here
comes from a Cardinals fan ..
Worf, you’re sounding more and more shrill everytime you post while the Cubs slump.
Dude, go play some checkers or something .. man ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on May 23, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You side with a Cards fan
You are dead to me.
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
roger that
i’d rather side with a baseball fan who knows what he’s talking about when it comes to rational discussion of baseball .. and frankly, I’m really not going to lose a lot of sleep if I don’t get invited to your BBQ
It’s called Prozac. Let chemistry help your irrational anxieties a bit ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on May 23, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good. You go your way and I'll go mine
Anyone that can watch what is happening and shrug their shoulders isn’t a fan
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, folks
Gotta go. A million honeydo projects this weekend, especially with little Tupac Santo Worfington on the way.
By the way, we did find out it was a boy. Not to worry! If in 2033, the drought is still there, Tupac S. Worfington will come out of AA to win 23 games and hit .340!
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
make sure he can bunt for hits
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll make sure he stretches, drinks water and listens to coaches
That’ll put him three up on Zambrano
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
big z
take z out of the rotation and have a look. not too promising.with z you take the good with the bad. and as i predicted the 5th spot has contributed what? 2 wins in 2 months.with all of marquis,s shortcomings he still has 4 wins .
by NOMAR on May 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a pitcher.
He’s not a hitter. But, wait, he’s a really good hitting pitcher. And he’s a great ball player.
by Corey Patterson on May 23, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No... he's not
A great ballplayer would be ashamed to have an at-bat like he did
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why some Cubs fans can't see that Carlos Zambrano has been one of the best pitchers in baseball over the last 5 years.
Over the last 5 years batters have a higher slugging percentage against every other pitcher in baseball. That’s right Carlos Zambrano has allowed the lowest slugging percentage of any pitcher in baseball. Of pitchers with at least 100 starts in the last 5 seasons Z ranks 6th in opposing hitters OPS. When it comes to effectiveness and durability there haven’t been many in MLB better than Z. Any pitcher that can limit opponents OPS and slugging percentage the way Carlos Zambrano has is unquestionably one of the best in MLB.
I can’t understand why so many Cubs fans seem to loathe Zambrano and claim he’s never reached his potential but they worship Kerry Wood who clearly never lived up to the early promise he showed. How much better is Zambrano supposed to be? He will clearly never be good enough for many Cubs fans.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 23, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
+1 recd
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check my posts
I’m a Wood hater as well
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you care to refute that Zambrano has actually been one of the best pitchers in MLB the last 5 years?
I suppose you would prefer to ignore results and simply resort to calling him weird, ugly and stupid like you’ve been doing.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 23, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The past is the past
He’s a joke and a clown now and we should sell high
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay then no refutation of facts just more name calling, exactly what I expected.
Talk about a joke and a clown.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 23, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been a very good pitcher
All the more reason to get what we can out of him now that he has peaked, is good for an injury a year and has shown now improvement at all in his common sense.
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, his common sense improvement factor has been weak.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 23, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're never going to win this argument.
He’s made a decision based on a reaction to ONE at-bat. You’ll never change his mind nor be able to have any rational discussion on it.
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by Al on May 24, 2009 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not, Al
The cramping, the histronics on the mound, the in-season slumps and meltdowns, his overreaction to teammates’ mistakes.
And yes, the one at-bat culminated it for me. It was the straw.
But do not think this is one at-bat, even if it was an absolutely horrid, indefensible and disgusting at-bat.
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by Worf on May 24, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I can add, sitting
closer to the plate for that at-bat that anyone on this thread, is that Z was there with a singular thought — there was no question in my mind he wanted to drive a pitch, any pitch — as far as El Cajon. A single would have been enough. Instead, he corkscrewed himself into the ground.
However, every player (when a team’s slumping) wants to do anything to pull the entire squad out of their doldrums, even if it doesn’t make any baseball sense. Z does want to deliver more than he’s capable of, I guess I can’t fault him for that. But still, it was a horrible at bat — the type of at plate appearence I’ve seen out of Theriot way too many times in recent weeks, since he now believes he’s a power hitter.
That’s worse than Z thinking he must drive the ball every time up. But, again, for that time at the plate, Z may have fallen victim to the added pressure of the team being unable to hit water if they all fell out of a boat.
One bad at bat (OK, 2 really bad at-bats) by a pitcher shouldn’t lead to themes as expressed here. It’s a real knee- jerk reaction to your frustration. I, just won’t watch any Cubs baseball for a while. That’s the only way I can channel my frustration because I don’t have control over player personnel…….
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 24, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Theriot's hitting
Theriot’s hitting has been very interesting this season. He’s gone from being the all-OBP, no-SLG Scrapmaster that we knew last season to the exact opposite in May this season, and all-SLG, no-OBP hitter. I think (and would like affirmation or correction on this perception) that pitchers had been busting Riot inside a lot since his one trick last year was to shoot everything to the right side. But then he started turning on those pitches and pulling them to left-center. The league seemed to adjust really quickly, though.
Over the past 28 days, he’s hit .222/.293/.467.
Over the past 14 days .179/.238/.436.
Over the past 7 days .100/.100/.150.
Now, granted, especially with those last 7 days, a lot of that is that we’ve faced tough right-handers, and even the best of players go into slumps. But it bears watching.
I think (and I know nothing about hitting), but I think if Theriot can learn to integrate the two approaches – working off of how the pitcher is working him, he can really become an asset to this team more long-term.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 24, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who the hell calls out a pitcher for there hitting?
Really? they are pitchers not hitters. with how bad are offense has been you call out zambrano? his job isnt to hit. obviously his offensive approach has worked for him in the past so lets let him stick to that. I am not going to call him oout for swinging hard. thats just absurd.
by Glacier on May 24, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because two weeks ago
When I suggested that he needlessly injured himself, I was shouted down and told:
“Zambrano’s a REAL player! He will do anything to help the team win!”
Clearly, he won’t.
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by Worf on May 24, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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