Peavy Bites Hand That Once Wanted (And May Still Want) To Feed Him: Cubs 0, Padres 4
by Al on May 23, 2009 8:00 AM CDT
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I don't want to sound alarmist, but the last time the Cubs had an extended period of offensive futility comparable to the last four games (two runs scored total) was from May 2-6, 2006, when they scored two runs in five games; those were the first five losses of an eight-game losing streak (and 12 losses in 13 games) that set the tone for that disastrous season.
This team is better than that one, although the 2006 Cubs had suffered a similar loss to this year's team in losing a key offensive player (Derrek Lee, a better hitter then than he is now in '06, Aramis Ramirez this year) and, trying to mix and match to replace him, sunk into offensive depths that are best not recalled now; that would be far too depressing.
Last night's Cubs had their chances -- with five hits, six walks, a batter hit by a pitch and one more reaching on a San Diego error, they had 13 baserunners. Stranding all of them -- there were no double plays or caught stealings -- the Cubs left RISP in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th and 9th innings. That's ridiculously bad; somehow, some way, at least one of those runners should have scored. Instead it was another frustrating loss, 4-0 to the Padres, the first time San Diego has defeated the Cubs since June 4, 2008.
Maybe you'll flame me for handing out yet another hat tip, but give credit to Jake Peavy, who does happen to be one of the better pitchers in the National League, and especially when throwing in his home park. Petco Park can disguise a whole lot of pitching flaws, and Peavy was striking out batters all over the place, ten in all in only six innings. Two more San Diego relievers struck out three each, making it a season high 16 K's for Cubs hitters.
Carlos Zambrano did well enough; only two runs scored while he was actually in the game, and I'm not sure he really needed a pitch count, because the injury from which he returned last night wasn't to his arm. Still, 97 pitches is way too many for only 4.2 innings. During the first inning he looked far too amped up, pitching all over the place; he settled down in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th, even while allowing the Padres' first run, and might have run out of gas before being yanked for Aaron Heilman, who promptly allowed the Padres' third run on an 0-2 pitch that probably should have been wasted.
It's too early to panic, though it's not too early for Jim Hendry to think about some further roster moves to improve this anemic offense. I still think inquiring of the Cleveland Indians for the availability of Mark DeRosa would be an excellent idea -- DeRosa, though not now hitting as he did last year, is well suited to Wrigley Field (.307/.396.468 lifetime there with 16 HR in 521 AB) and would solve... well, the Aaron Miles problem, if nothing else. Or, maybe put Alfonso Soriano at 2B and Micah Hoffpauir in LF -- Soriano says he's willing and able:
"I can be part-time there, like Mark DeRosa," said Soriano, who indicated he can play short, too. "He's a great player and can play second, right field, left, third base, whatever they want."
If Piniella wants to move Soriano to second, he not only has spent most of his big-league career at that spot, but he likes it.
"They [the Washington Nationals] made me a left fielder," he said. "I didn't like that [in 2006]."
The good news is that Brewers got pounded by the Twins 11-3 last night, so the Cubs remain four games behind, even while falling into fourth place behind the Reds, who beat the Indians last night. Slumps like this can turn around in a heartbeat. The Cubs still have outstanding starting pitching, and even during the five-game losing streak have allowed 16 runs (15 earned, a team ERA of 3.00 during the streak). During the eight-game streak in 2006, the pitching staff allowed 44 runs -- there's the difference, the 2009 pitchers are far better, and the hitters will start hitting.
Soon. Right?
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Question for you Al …
If we’re thinking of putting Soriano at second, what about calling up Fox and putting him in left? Would putting Fox in that spot be a bad idea?
Also, I think Koyie Hill has got to make some more starts. He at least looked better than Soto last night …
by elgato on May 23, 2009 8:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it
When horrid is used in describing someone’s defense even at first, I really don’t think he can play left field. Hoffpauir would be a left field option before Fox and even that is questionable.
by rlpete on May 23, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that's true ...
We should trade Fox. What’s the other option? Wait until 2011 after Lee’s contract expires?
by elgato on May 23, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is not much demand for young DH's
I’m sure the Cubs would get something but they won’t get someone of major impact.
by rlpete on May 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano has at least played 2B
Fox will lead to a six-error game at 1B and he might actually kill a spectator if you put him in LF.
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano at 2B means Hoffpauir in LF.
Hoffpauir has, surprisingly, played a passably decent RF. He could probably handle LF and be no worse than Matt Murton out there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
I could live with Sori at 2B and the Hoff in LF. It could be scary at times, but it also means you basically limit the bad lineup choices to one position — 3B.
What people don’t always get is that Lee HAS to remain at 1B for the sake of the rest of the infield.
I’m not saying Fox would commit 6 errors at 1B. I’m saying the rest of the infield would get charged with errors because Fox couldn’t bail them out like Lee does.
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Case in point:
that dig by Lee on Scales low throw after his diving catch. I don’t think anyone else on the team makes such a strange hop look routine let alone keep it out of the stands.
by Allie on May 23, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would moving to 2B affect Sori's offense?
We’ve seen how fragile he can be when it comes to getting out of his comfort zone (leading off vs. not). As long as he’s producing, I say don’t mess with him.
by kanderber on May 23, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the 2009 Chicago Cubs have just set the record
for the most errors in a single season. Let me get this straight, you want to see this lineup: Fox in left, Soriano at 2B, Fontenot/Scales at 3B. That’s in addition to having Fukudome, who doesn’t have ideal range for a CF and Bradley, who is also limited out there. Worst defensive team ever.
by Poloplaya14 on May 23, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit had 425 in a 136 games in 1901
I think we’d be safe.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on May 23, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me
or is watching the cubs during this hitless/scoreless streak just painful. There’s no excitement, no enthusiasm. This had better turn around quickly…….and it can. My only salvation in all this is hoping we are the team that closes fast and finally enters the playoffs as a red hot team that may take us deep in the playoffs. I might add, making hte playoffs will require hitting; it needs to happen soon.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on May 23, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is painful
I fell asleep during last night’s snoozefest.
by rlpete on May 23, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I switched to LeBron
watching clutch was so refreshing
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Clutch", not "Clutche", right?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."
--Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 23, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
I triple-checked to make sure there were no typos.
Seriously, I thought I was going to see the Magic go up 2-0 and David Stern was going to go on suicide watch.
That shot was Jordanesque.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 23, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The word I've used is listless; this is the most listless baseball I can remember
At least in 06 it was because they didn’t have the talent in the lineup. They are utterly painful to watch, without joy. It’s getting really hard to do. Thank god for the ’Hawks and the end of the Cavs/Magic game last night to distract me.
I just can’t get away from DLee’s comments earlier in the week, with the whole “everything is ok” mantra….that kind of attitude just pisses me off. I realize it’s a marathon and not a sprint, but the mindset needs to be “everyone needs to raise their level of play, start taking better at-bat’s, that starts with me”, NOT “stop making a mountain out of a mole hill.” If he doesn’t understand this team wasn’t built to tread water, then maybe it IS time for him to sit.
by VolPowers on May 23, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always get a chuckle when I read comments like this. Everyone always thinks that
a player should be pacing up and down, frothing at the mouth and putting his fist through the wall after every loss. This is baseball. They play 162 games and this is not a sport you play by amping yourself up and going out and running into walls. Different people react different ways to the stress of adversity. We certainly can’t expect everyone to react the way we want them to.
We have no idea what goes on in a locker room before and after a game. You surely have no idea what he “understands” about this team. We are so far removed from what goes on with the players that it’s really funny, but we take what is said in an interview and run with it. We assume that we know better how a player should feel about a game he has played his whole life and is getting paid millions of dollars to do, yet we, sitting on our couch, drinking a beer have a better idea of what a major league player “understands” about what is happening with the team.
Of course we are frustrated when the Cubs lose. We want the to win every game by 10 runs and are pissed off when they play like they have for the past week. But the funny thing about it is that prior to this losing streak the Cubs were playing pretty well. We have no better idea of why that was happening than why they are losing now. See, that’s the way baseball is. You can’t explain some things away. And you certainly can’t begin to know what a professional ball player “understands” by listening to him in an interview or watching him play. There are a myriad of things going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. It’s probably likely that these things have more of an affect on how they play than whether we think they “understand” what is going on.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Make this post green!
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on May 23, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not for Len & Bob
They were laughing & giggling as usual in the booth during the broadcast last night.
by JFCubFan on May 23, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, remember...
… part of their job is to keep people watching.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they HAD to be there
I made a choice to go, and it was a bad one. Between innings, we were treated to all the great highlights from the 1984 NLCS. Tonight’s the BIG night, as it’s “1984 T-Shirt” night with all the vets (that are still living from that team, since an amazing number have died) that choose to participate will be there to celebrate — or run salt in an old wound, take your pick.
With more great highlights from ‘84 on the ’board all night long. I’m at work.
Thankfully.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They weren't all that cheery and peppy
Bob has sounded pretty disgusted all this week, and Len has been quieter.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on May 23, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PAINFUL TO THE POINT......
That I have to get up walk outdoors for a minute …..They will however snap out of it…soon I hope…
by cubs north on May 23, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iowa Cubs 3-4-5 hitters: .390 average combined
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090522/SPORTS1402/905230340
Jake Fox, Jason Dubois, Chris Robinson. Nice article and quotes from former Iowa Cub now Resno manager Dan Rohn.
AT LEAST SOMEBODY WITH A CUBS UNIFORM IS KNOCKING THE COVER OFF THE BALL!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on May 23, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fresno not Resno.....
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on May 23, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jake Fox, Jason Dubois, Chris Robinson
wow, lets start them all tonight (rolls eyes, yawns)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the hitters will start hitting.
Sometimes runs come in bunches. Hopefully it starts tonight.
by tedinSoCal on May 23, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Starting to have my doubts on the season
The problem is that other than Bradley I’m not sure who else will magically get better to help the team until Ramirez gets back.
For whatever reason, Soto doesn’t seem the same hitter. Playing Hill is fine but he’s not a major league catcher. Miles, Fontenot, Freel, Scales are what they are, utility players. It is going to kill the offense to have to play two of them everyday until Ramirez gets back. Fukudome will have a better year but he isn’t a #3 hitter.
As for Lee, I expect he’ll hit better than .240 for the season but his days as an above average first baseman are over. Whether the wrist, back, neck or age, he is just not the same hitter.
by rlpete on May 23, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is very true
What’s even worse, to me, is that other than Fukudome and Lee and maybe Soto, this is a below-average defensive team.
We have four natural 2B spread out over the infield. Fontenot, Miles and Scales haven’t looked truly horrid at third, but it’s still an untenable situation. Theriot will hopefully stay above the surface and score more than he lets in.
Bradley, Hoff and Fox are DHs. Soriano isn’t bad, but he’s still an adventure at times.
Who exactly is the backup CF, anyway? Bradley?
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backup in CF is Johnson
who’s in a Fontenot-type slump as well.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on May 23, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"...other than Bradley I’m not sure who else will magically get better..."
So Bradley has magic powers? Zippiddy-doo-da, abracadabra, and slump is gone?
Just kidding Pete. But if anything, Bradley magically got worse when he signed his Cubs contract.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on May 23, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Following suit
Just like many before Bradley, FAs signing a big deal with the Cubs is usually a death warrant.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack." - Sun Tzu
by propheteer on May 23, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why should
the Cubs even try anymore? Seriously, if you believe that, then why even bother?
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Big contracts" only
to players who are injury prone, that don’t have a history of playing very good defense. I’m not saying they shouldn’t sign any free-agents, just be more careful. Hendry was desperate after the playoffs last year, and it showed with his an entire offseason dedicated to Bradley. He traded DeRosa, elected not to resign or offer arbitration to Wood, traded Marquis just to fit Milton’s contract into the Cubs’ budget.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack." - Sun Tzu
by propheteer on May 23, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For one, I don't miss any of those guys
I’ll wait a while to render judgment on Bradley.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa
is the only guy the Cubs truly miss, but I think you’re missing my point. Everything Hendry did was to cater to signing Bradley. How long can the Cubs wait for him? I guess they have no choice, cause they have zero flexibility in terms of their everyday lineup.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack." - Sun Tzu
by propheteer on May 23, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Root Canal!
Hey guys I had a root canal done yesterday. Glad I did now after seeing the boys in blue didn’t score again. Tonight I’ll take a vicodin before turning on the game. Note to Cubs: Feel free to start hitting anytime now.
by jselinger24 on May 23, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You have enough vicodin for the rest of us?
These recent games are tough! The rest of you can turn to alcohol to numb the pain of watching/listening to them, but my wife would likely frown on things if I started drinking before noon (when most games are on here) — though maybe I can get away with it for these West coast games.. they start just after noon.. hmmmmm
by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 23, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno Al, I'm getting sick of drinking the Cubs' Kool-Aid at this point.
I’d like to think I’m a pretty positive guy, but right now the only redeeming quality I can find in this team is that they are STILL above .500 after having everything and the book thrown at them. Other than that I’m getting pretty frustrated.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."
--Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 23, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yup, I have the same mentality right now
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
by Chanman25 on May 23, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're all getting frustrated.
I imagine the players are, too. If this were August, I’d say it’s time to cash the season in. But it’s May.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah yeah, I agree with you too
But as we learn, it doesn’t matter how your regular season is, as long as you can somehow make it to the playoffs, you have a shot. I’d take a rather shitty regular season with a playoff berth and a WS Ring than last season in a heart beat…
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
by Chanman25 on May 23, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely right.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And soon,
“Let’s make a trade” season will be here. Question is, will the Cubs be gathering or dumping, if this mediocre play continues through June?
by JFCubFan on May 23, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My assessment is that if they keep this up for another 40 games
sell all the parts and replenish the farm. But today would be too early to make any decisions.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on May 23, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs couldn't trade anyone of value if they wanted to
big contracts, back loads,
Miles could go, what would you get for him? A box of yarn and a broken toothbrush?
Drive, Monkey Drive!
by VegasCubFan on May 23, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it nice yarn?
What color is it?
by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 23, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been able to watch more than 3 or so innings per game
during this losing streak. Mostly that is for my wife and daughter’s sake. I tend to get unbearable when the Cubs are in a stretch like this.
Busting out of it starts with one win. Let’s hope that win is today…
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
by DMCub on May 23, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano
I realize it was his first start back, but even when he’s been healthy he tends to throw too many pitches too early in the game, so this wasn’t even that unusual. I wonder if the coaching staff has worked with him at all over the last few years to keep the walks down and economize on pitches. About four or five years ago, he actually had decent control, but he’s spiraled downward, and is walking over 100 a year – something he wasn’t doing earlier in his career. He’s got to stop trying to strike everyone out. His stuff is good enough to get batters out when they make contact.
I do say, however – he looked great in the second, third and fourth last night, which was good to see.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
by danimal15 on May 23, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's because he has a two-cent head
And tries to throw the ball through a brick wall in the first inning. Only when his arm gets tired is he a good pitcher.
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by Worf on May 23, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Headcase
It’s the exact reason he’ll never be a true #1 starter; his consistency (or lack thereof) has prevented him from winning a Cy Young or 20 games for that matter.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack." - Sun Tzu
by propheteer on May 23, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team is unbelievably inept at offense and I don't see much hope
Lou needs to start kicking somebodys ass. We are digging a hole that isn’t going to be easy to get out of.
Oh Mark DeRosa how we need you at third base.
by nji232 on May 23, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Hyperbole Fairy
strikes again.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
2 runs in 4 games is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Mark DeRosa how we need you at third base.
by nji232 on May 23, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many in the four games before that, genius?
But don’t worry — your posts, and your signature in particular, are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes of course
the best way to cheer people up is to be a smartass who lectures everyone on how they should react.
I’m sure if you’re positive everything will be okay, having people who aren’t is annoying. But THIS doesn’t seem like the way to combat that.
Maybe you can be completely comfortable with the fact we’re sucking right now. But I’m not. And its no longer “early”. And its not yet “too late”… but sooner is better than later at this point.
And hectoring people on how they should be dealing is starting to really piss me off.
by Allie on May 23, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, don't read it
There are much more important things to worry about than some baseball team. And if there aren’t in your life, you have a pretty sad life.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
Really? Did you switch bodies with blou or Crawdad?
Actually. You’re coming across as worse than both of them.
I’ve been on your side a lot, Bruce. I’m not the kind of fan who loses her mind everytime we lose or look bad. And I don’t completely disagree with you on any particular point.
But your TONE is ridiculous today. And I’d like for you to knock it off. Or take it down a notch.
But fine. If that makes me a whiner with “a sad life”, I’ll add you to my ignore list.
by Allie on May 23, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only are we not scoring (which drives me nuts in itself)
But there were two times that I can think of right now, although theres probably more), where our lackadasical attitude put other teams in scoring position and most of the time they took advantage.
Last night’s error by Soriano put a man on third with no outs. Luckily we got out.
Soriano also gave up a double to Pujols on a GROUNDBALL PAST THERIOT!
I understand teams go through stretches where they stuggle with scoring runs. But giving away runs while you can’t score will make it twice as worse.
"They say we don't look good on paper. Well, we don't play on paper." Joe McCarthy (1926)
by Bricks and Ivy on May 23, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That single stretched into a double
is all on Soriano. He is very lackadaisical in LF when it comes to getting the ball into the infield. Sure, he can throw guys out, but there’s a play that Pujols used his baseball smarts on knowing that Sori will loaf out there on singles. It’s one thing to loaf in ST, but Soriano does this over and over. You don’t see Fukudome lallygagging out there.
Fortunately, I have not watched any Cubs baseball to speak of for at least a week. I have read the threads and my blood pressure is not elevated as much as it could have been.
I agree this team is better than we have seen. But, at this point in the season, to me, this team doesn’t “feel” good to me. Yes, this is simply my emotion. When you have 90% of your hitters in the low to mid .200’s and the scrappy SS is tied for the team lead in HR’s says a lot. Are there a lot of games to be played? Sure. But I have a feeling the Ramirez injury will set the final tone for the season. If we can pull together and hang in there until his return, we have a shot. If not, we will probably be playing for the wild card.
Just as Lee’s wrist injury took longer than we thought for him to recover from, if he indeed has recovered from it, ARam’s shoulder injury will probably hinder him the rest of this season in some way. That’s not what we need from our best, most consistent clutch hitter.
I am glad to watch our Blackhawks, they never give up, and battle to the end, and find ways to win. Our Cubs AT THIS POINT OF THE SEASON have not. Maybe they all need to go a playoff game where a Chicago team wins and embrace that.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on May 23, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad I was not in front of the TV
Fortunately I was at an AA convention. I truly would have wanted a drink if I had to watch the team. Pathetic. I hope Jim Hendry can sleep soundly. He wouldn’t if I had his phone number, grrrrrrrr
"It was a wise Man that invented Beer" (Plato)
by LarryCubFan on May 23, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Executive of the year!
He’s made all the wrong moves this past off-season, and hopefully new ownership takes note. He’s worn out his welcome just like McFail.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack." - Sun Tzu
by propheteer on May 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy
“give credit to Jake Peavy, who does happen to be one of the better pitchers in the National League”
I had to laugh at this. I think you’re right Al, he is one of the better pitchers in the league. What I’m laughing at his that you’ve always been so down on getting Peavy, saying he’s not worth it. Now, I understand that you were also considering how much he was making, what we were giving up, his home park, etc., but it’s still funny.
I still agree with you that we don’t need Peavy. Our starters have been pretty damn good, including Wells and Marshall.
I have nothing funny or creative to write.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 23, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're exactly right.
Peavy looks great in his home park — always has. And the Padres are paying him, not us, and we still have Josh Vitters.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody could touch Peavy's slider
The ‘Petco Effect’ didn’t even come into play. If you can’t hit the guy, you don’t hit to the deepest part of the ball park. Vintage Peavy….100 pitches by the 7th inning….then, their improved middle relief took over…and Bell has been a perfect closer.
Peavy can strike tons of batters in any park, even US Cellular Band box.
They don’t miss Hoffman one bit. He’s cheaper, and is sealing every deal. That’s more than I can say about our ….‘closer.’
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 23, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish someone would have told
Jim Hendry that you can’t buy chemistry. Too many changes to a great team. I’m still hoping for that breakout but it’s fading fast.
by Fonzie2178 on May 23, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chemistry happens
when you win.
The team last year had great chemistry because they were winning and leading the league in runs. Its easy to look fun and be silly when thats happening.
Its still May. the “breakout” of 2007 happened later than this.
by Allie on May 23, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Too many changes to a great team"
Absolutely, couldn’t agree more.
by kanderber on May 23, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A great team that couldn't get it done in the postseason
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Two sample sizes to look at. One is 162 games. The other is three games. And you look at the three game one. That’s just dumb.
by kanderber on May 23, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't change the assessment
I don’t disagree they were a great team. They were. But they didn’t get it done in the postseason.
I suggest players like Bradley might help you get it done more than players like DeRosa, aka the second coming of Babe Ruth.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suggest that...
… Lou had the wrong reason for the team losing. It wasn’t the lack of LH hitters, it was poor preparation. There was no reason to blow it up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved the idea of adding
LH hitters.
But I never thought we’d become completely obsessed with handedness. Or that Bradley would scuffle for so long. He was a blast to watch for TX last year, I thought we were getting some semblance of that guy…
by Allie on May 23, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Cubs are 'completely obsessed' with it
and I’ll give it more than six weeks before I render judgment on anybody, thanks.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly true, Al
But if you have a chance to improve your team, you have to take it. I’d bet last year’s team wouldn’t win 97 games again.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right.
But I would have tweaked it. Jim & Lou blew it up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're being a little hyperbolic
They didn’t “blow it up.” Virtually all the key offensive contributors still are around.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the current 25-man roster...
… are ten players who weren’t with the team last year in any significant form. It’s not just the “key offensive contributors”, it’s the entire team makeup that has changed. Last year’s team had a good bench. This year’s team does not.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many of those were bullpen guys?
Again, I’ll wait until later in the season before we judge whether or not the bench guys were better. Speaking for one, Reed Johnson was better last year than he’s been so far this year. Speaking for another, Hoffpauir has been better so far last year than Daryle Ward was last year. Etc.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bitching about posters who like DeRosa
…. Is getting very old.
At some point, don’t you ever get tired of being wrong all the time? I mean, I realize that “insufferable optimist/ Internet policeman” is your online identity, and that means a lot to you, but last night you were defending the Aaron Miles contract.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
by D98 on May 23, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not nearly as old
as people bitching about no longer having DeRosa.
Get over it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong?
Wrong about what, may I ask?
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"great team"? we didn't win a single playoff game.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on May 23, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then if they did nothing in the offseason,
The other half here would say “….can’t stand pat every season.”
I give up.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 23, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
While that is true....
… there was no reason to turn over 1/3 of the roster of a 97-win team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullpen alone
is the most fungible part of a team. That changes wickedly from one season to the next.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
change
Fonzie offered to play 2B PT? That may be a good idea… at least PT. I like Fonzie in LF, but, he may be needed to play @B occasionally. He has been our MVP this year…
I loved DeRo, but I don’t see any way Hendry is bringing him back. I hated that he was traded even before the season started. He won’t be back. There is more thank we know about DeRo being traded. HIs time as a Cub is over.
Still, we need to do something….. Personally, I think we need to go and get an impact player. Whether it’s Peavey or whoever. Somebody to come in and bring some new energy to the fold.
by TheHawkRules on May 23, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The argument for the trade
If Jim Hendry made a trade now, he’d probably have to overpay to get anything done. But it could give the team a kick start and it could also help re-organize this jumbled roster. So, maybe now is the time to make a trade. Call the O’s up and get Aubrey Huff out here. Hoff for Huff.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huff would cost more in terms of dollars than DeRosa.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's take up a collection.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you're right. I had forgotten that part of the problem.
If we add in Fox, maybe Andy pays for Huff like he’s paying for Freel.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
You’re a pretty free spender with the Orioles’ money.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I know.
I’m throwing ideas against the wall here.
In my idea’s defense – if Andy likes the talent that he’d get back, why not pay the salary? They’re not trying to win this year and Hoffpauir/Fox would give then a good 1B and maybe even 1B/DH combo for cheap for the next few years.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you paid for a ticket this year?
And gone to any games? If you have, you have already contributed. Ever heard of the old cliche, throwing good money after bad? Seems like Hendry spent and chose poorly this off season, and you want to give him more $$$? LOL
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on May 23, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And thus the myth of the Kerry Wood curse is born
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on May 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
??????
Did I mention anyone by name?
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on May 23, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I randomly picked a name
Sorry to disturb you.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on May 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
I just couldn’t figure out why you said what you said based on a general comment.
At the end of this season and over the next couple of seasons we will know for sure if Hendry’s moves paid dividends. Overall, at this moment it time, it looks like they haven’t.
IMO I think Hendry may have out-maneuvered himself trying to get Peavy and left handed bats. It really doesn’t matter who we gave up if the players we got don’t perform to expectations and we get to a WS.
To Hendry’s defense, he has built a team that should contend every season and has found guys in mid season that have helped us down the stretch
I don’t see the Cards or Brewers running away with the division, thank God. But, I would have rolled the dice once more with last year’s team, a team that battled every game and pounded the baseball most of the time. This year it’s Jekyll and Hyde. A month from now we’ll have a better read on this team. But, today, it’s not what we expected to see.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on May 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cubs
awfull. typical cubs.win 5 of 6 and then lose 5 in a row with possibly more on the way.this almost looks like a aaa team at times. it looked like the team was going to be able to weather the ramirez loss but that didnt last.too many injuries and too many key players not producing.hey guys you do this for a living remember??
by NOMAR on May 23, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In Looking For Bright Spots...
I am relatively impressed with Soriano’s maturity this year, as evidenced in the comment posted by Al in which he talks about being able and willing to try second base. I’m not sure it’s a great idea, but it’s nice to hear him talking the right way. And his earlier comments about the team needing to try a bit harder, while apparently not very effective, were nonetheless welcome.
by cublessinmilwaukee on May 23, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the thin is , he more then any player on the team, needs to listen to his words
he is the one jogging after balls in gap, not having good ABs, and generally playing without any fire. Talk is cheap, he need to but those words in to action.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on May 23, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction "the thing is"
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on May 23, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've posted
a piece on last night’s game on my blog. See it at
http://www.ehanauer.com/www.ehanauer.com/Blog/Entries/2009/5/23_Cubs_suck%2C_but_life_is_good.html
by Clark Addison on May 23, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this entire idea of moving everyone around
lie Sori to 2B etc smells of desperation at this point
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Let’s just keep the team as is. Same batting order, same position and maybe we’ll score 2 runs tonight. What are your fantastic ideas?
by ak123 on May 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your snarky attitude aside
The Cubs:
1 Soto and Lee need time off. Neither are hitting and their replacements have been better
2.Plate discipline has been gone, need to stop pressing
- is not popular, but so be it.
- is a huge factor. When we are playing well we are walking and working the count. In our slump as a team we are swinging at everything and a pitcher has 80 pitches thru 7
As Fans we need to
1.Stop talking down Hoff, so far when in the lineup (not looking at one game, looking at the collective season) he has out played Lee
2.Stop praising a .240 hitter with no power, he is not what he once was
3.Jake Fox his defense has been described as "a hair above horrible" he can hit a HR, but will strike out too much at MLB, he gives up all his batting abilities to swing for the fences. These are not my opinions, but the observations of professional scouts. The saying "Chicks Dig the Long Ball" seems to be changed to "Everyone Loves The Long Ball" to the point that defense and all other abilities with a bat are over looked.
4.Stop making excuses for Font, Soto, MB and Lee. They have all been subpar so far, and the excuses have been to avoid acceptance. Not saying it must be a negative chant about them, but let’s stop kidding ourselves. This is not longer a small sample size, and no longer too soon.
5.If the WBC is so bad, just tell Fukudome and Lilly they should be better but because of the WBC they are not as good.
6.If the WBC is a player killer, why cry for DeRosa to return, or for Peavy to be in Cubbie Blue they also played in it.
7.Hendry has time to make changes, so let’s wait and see what happens there, before announcing this season over.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just pointing out
They had, what, six walks last night? So I don’t think plate discipline is gone entirely. Although it wasn’t around much in the Cardinals series.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please read this right, because I don't say it with any animosity,
but you’re one of the ones desperate to get Hoffpauir in the lineup and that’s all Lou’s trying to do with this idea.
Here’ s the difference. You’re suggesting putting him at 1B in place of one of our hottest hitters whose defense is very valuable. Lou’s suggesting using him to replace one of Miles/Freel/Scales, who don’t hit and don’t defend all that well either.
I agree with Lou that the overall hoped increase in offense is more likely to outweigh the feared decrease in defense when Sori plays 2B than when Lee sits.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand 100% what you are saying
it just seems like a desperate move, which in desperate times……
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the Black Plague hit England, things were really desperate. People were dying all
over the place and everyone kept saying “You’ve got to do something!” So they went out and killed all of the dogs and cats. It turns out that the plague was carried by fleas that infected that rats and by killing the dogs and cat, the rat population exploded and made the plague much worse. The moral of the story is that when you make desperate moves just because you feel the need to "do something’, you usually end up making thing worse. The Cubs have some descent hitters. Eventually they will hit. Most hitters rarely stray 10-20 points from their lifetime averages over the an entire season. This streak will end and the Cubs will play much better baseball. It’s painful to watch now, but it will get better.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yep.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Light 'em up!
Judd Sirott is responsible for EVERYONE'S injury. And all the current slumps.
Bradley watch -- out 10 games of 39
by znohitter on May 23, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI, also, the Cardinals
just shut out the Royals for the second day in a row.
Perhaps it wasn’t all on the Cubs hitters after all.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't the Cardinals always beat the Royals? It seem like the Roayals just
roll over and die everytime they play. Does anyone know what the W-L record is between them? It seems like a pretty one-sided rivalry to me. Not exactly Cubs-Sox.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball-reference.com is your friend.
All-time record between KC and StL. Royals have won 23, Cardinals 29 (including last night, but not today).
The Royals won 4 of 6 last year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Al. It seems like the Cards have won a lot more.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 23, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only twice did the Cardinals blow them out.
2002, Cardinals 5 wins, Royals 1.
2004, Cardinals 3 wins, Royals 0.
Apart from those two years, they have split the rest of the games.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did they only play three times
in 2004, I wonder?
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question.
I have no idea.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like why
Cincinnati is playing at Toronto two years in a row.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Bud Selig
is allergic to making sense… Cents on the other hand…
by Allie on May 23, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I made a vow after
last season to not get so emotionally involved with the team this season. I’ve missed a few games and survived. :-) I would love to see them start hitting the ball again. I know it has to be frustrating for them too.
Tonight I’m going to a Little League game. I may make it back to see some of the game or I may not. Good luck tonight Cubs!
by sue369 on May 23, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I made the same vow
after the 1984 season. I’ve never regretted it.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
by danimal15 on May 23, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come On!
You can’t help but get emotionally involved. Its in our blood as Cubs fans. Just be grateful that we’ve been rooting for a really good team now for a couple of years. Remember all those horrible teams we got emotionally involved in in the past?
Losing is a disease. As contagious as syphilis
by muehlman on May 23, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it could be MUCH worse
we could be Indians fans.. shudder…
by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 23, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this a validation
I guess I recall saying that the Cubs needed to look at making a trade when Ramirez went down a few weeks back and got blasted by the know it all (knot heads) and now I see that my thoughts regarding DeRosa are Al front page discussion topics.
There is a rumor floating that DeRosa is now available and that ironically one proposal is for Wuertz for DeRosa.
DeRosa could be a short time fix….at 3B and when Ramirez comes back reinstalled as a platoon at 2B.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on May 23, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
Of all the great Cubs over the years … who could have guessed Mark DeRosa was the greatest of them all?
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that's CLEARLY the point Ivy Walls was trying to make...
DeRosa, while struggling, is outperforming all of our in-house bench options by A LOT. The best argument against DeRosa that you can come up with is misrepresenting everyone’s argument?
by SouthernCub on May 23, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't think it's misrepresentation
It’s more Cubbie fan bedwetting over a player who wouldn’t make a dime’s bit of difference to this team right now. And you know it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a misrepresentation...
Nothing Ivy said is remotely similar to bedwetting. And if you don’t think that DeRosa would make a dime’s worth of difference over Miles, then I seriously question your understanding of player ability.
A player can be a difference maker without being a superstar. You seem to be unable or unwilling to accept this possibility in the arguments for DeRosa.
DeRosa won’t solve every problem this team had. But he absolutely would make a positive impact. There IS a middle ground between panacea and uselessness.
by SouthernCub on May 23, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa
Isn’t any better than the combination of Miles and Fontenot right now.
Your irrational hatred for all things Miles is clouding your judgment.
Sorry we all aren’t up to your standards of judging player ability. I suggest you submit your resume to Jim Hendry ASAP.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You again miss the point...
the point isn’t the combination of Miles/Fontenot (FYI – that combo actually isn’t as productive as DeRosa to this point, but that’s another discussion). The point is Miles specifically. DeRosa not only platooned with Fontenot, but he backed up Ramirez and others. Now, Miles is that guy. And DeRosa is hitting WAY better than Miles, and is solid at 3B allowing Fontenot to stay at 2B.
I have no irrational hatred of Miles. He’s just a bad hitter. I hate the contract Miles got, but that’s simply because he was wildly overpaid to be a bad hitter.
by SouthernCub on May 23, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen this much angst about an ex-Cub
since Maddux got ran off. At least he was worth getting ticked off about.
I’m not missing the point, SC.
At this point, part of me hopes the Cubs do get DeRosa again and that he falls flat on his face. And the Cubs make the playoffs anyway.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 23, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be fine with me.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you are missing (or just choosing to ignore) the point...
DeRosa, despite struggling early, has a .737 OPS and can play multiple positions.
Fontenot? Can play 2B but should be platooned and has a .667 OPS. Miles? Can only play 2B and has a .522 OPS.
I’m sorry that you just don’t appreciate the versatility and overall productivity that DeRosa provides. He’s not an All-Star caliber player by any means, but he’d absolutely make a positive difference.
by SouthernCub on May 24, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see you back, Ivy Walls.
Wuertz for DeRosa would be wonderful irony.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would, but...
… I can’t imagine why the A’s would want DeRosa. They rarely take on contracts, and Wuertz would be pretty useless to the Tribe.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 23, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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