Looking for offensive answers around the league
On the season as a whole, Milton Bradley, Mike Fontenot, Geovany Soto, Derrek Lee are all hitting much worse than was projected for them pre-season. Soto and Lee are both hitting better in May, but it's hard to erase the memories of early season. Kosuke Fukudome and Ryan Theriot, however, had been much better than expected and, while Aramis Ramirez and Alfonso Soriano were hitting, it covered the holes in the Cub offense. But we lost Ramirez, Soriano went cold, and in May, Fukudome's SLG has rolled over. He's hitting .296/.441/.389 on the month. Meanwhile, Ryan Theriot's power spike came at the expense of his AVG and OBP. In May, he's hitting .229/.308/.543. They both look like hitters who would be better served hitting 2nd and 8th as they started the season, instead of players called to carry the offense.
The Cubs' disappointing 4, however, are not the only hitters who are frustrating fans this year. The D'backs are having a similar disappointing season from many of their hitters - Conor Jackson, Chad Tracy, Stephen Drew, and Chris Young all unable to get their OPS over .600. Their situation is worse than ours, even though Justin Upton overcame his cold start. So, for perspective's sake let's take a look around the league and ask what's going on with so many good hitters. The following are guys I expected to do much better this season than they have started.
Grady Sizemore .220/303/.405 .248 BABIP; K% up 5% from 08
Josh Hamilton .237/.288/.452 K% up 6%; LD% down 5%, GB/FB halved
Jimmy Rollins .240/.284/.351 K% up 4%; LD% down 6%; FB% up 10%
B.J. Upton .188/.291/.275 K% up 7%; FB up 7%
Lance Berkman .239/.380/.479 BABIP .242
Carlos Quentin .228/.329/.455 BABIP .202
David Ortiz .205/.310/.315 K% up 7.5%;
Geovany Soto .206/.322/.275 K% down 2%; BB% up 2.5% BABIP .256
Garrett Atkins .187/.276/.291 LD% down 9%; GB% up 12%
Stephen Drew .173/.247/.333 BABIP .196; K% up 5%; LD% down 7%
Dan Uggla .207/.326/.414 K% down 7%; BABIP .225
Howie Kendrick .241/.287/.383 BABIP .275 HR/FB% up 8%; LD% down 6.5%
Derrek Lee .240/.309/.388 LD% down 10%; FB% up at a career high level
Chris Young .178/.224/.326 K% up 4%; BB% down 4%; BABIP .231; FB% up 12%
Conor Jackson .182/.264/.253 K% up 5%; BABIP .207
Adrian Beltre .213/.246/.308 LD% down 7%
Kelly Johnson .230/.309/.361 K% down 5% LD% down 5% BABIP .250
Milton Bradley .182/.314/.341 BABIP .194 LD% down 11%; FB% down 8%
Adam LaRoche .227/.316/.461 BABIP .262 LD% down 6.5%; FB% up 8%
Mike Fontenot .193/.290/.361 BABIP .205 LD% down 12% GB% up 9%
There are a couple things that keep coming up - a low BABIP, often times connected to a LD% that is way down. Besides bunts, line drives are the least likely occurrence when a hitter makes contact. Roughly twice as often as a line drive, comes a fly ball and ground balls even more often than that. Last year, NL batters had AVGs of .231 on ground balls, .227 on fly balls, and .726 on line drives. So, seeing a LD% down, when a hitters overall line is down is no surprise. When that BABIP is down but the LD% isn't, there's a good chance the hitter has just been unlucky.
Grady Sizemore, for example, isn't hitting that much differently, in terms of LDs, GBs, and FBs, than he has in year's past. His strikeout rate is up, and that's a concern, but overall, it just looks like he might be getting unlucky. The same seems true for Lance Berkman, Carlos Quentin, Dan Uggla, and Conor Jackson.
Garrett Atkins, Howie Kendrick, Adrian Beltre, Kelly Johnson, and Adam LaRoche are all guys whose hitting woes seem directly connected to low LD%s. Some even have positive signs, like Howie Kendrick's HR/FB rate tripling, and Kelly Johnson cutting down on strikeouts quite a bit. These players might hope that it's still early enough in the season that they just haven't started squaring the ball up totally, and a hot streak will counter balance their season stats so far.
Then there are some guys who are showing several different changes in their percentages. Jimmy Rollins, Josh Hamilton, B.J. Upton, David Ortiz, and Stephen Drew are all striking out more than they did last year. These are guys I really wonder about what's going on - and it may easily be different things for different guys.
Coming back to our Cubs, now, we can ask how they compare to these other struggling players.
Geo is actually striking out less and walking more - a good sign. His LD, GB, and FB rates are all close to 2008. What's cratered has been his HR/FB rate - not a good sign at all. I'd like to see some HRs from Geo soon.
Bradley's hitting a whole lot less fly balls and line drives - and that will take away all your SLG and AVG. His BABIP is very low, matching what I remember seeing - a lot of balls hit straight to defenders.
Derrek Lee's line is very interesting. Again, he is not the same hitter he was in the second half of 2008 at all. People who argue he's on a straight line decline are just ignoring the facts. In fact, Derrek's FB% is higher than it ever has been in his career. Last year that FB% had dipped. It has me wondering if Derrek's trying too hard to keep the ball off the ground after his DPs last year and that's cutting into his LD%. That said, Lee's been very good in May and it just bears watching if his April was all attributable to neck woes.
Mike Fontenot has turned most of his line drives into ground balls. He's still hitting HRs at the same rate as last year, which is a good sign. I think people forget how cold Fontenot was to start last season. He may simply be a streaky player who's due for a hot spell.
I don't have all the answers here. The one thing I'm pretty sure about is that at the end of the season, most of the people on that list above will have had good seasons, while a few really will end the season with disappointing lines. It's possible the Cubs' 4 will be those few, but I doubt all of them will be.
I'll add a poll here later today. The question will be "Why is the Cubs' offense disappointing so much?" I'll take suggestions for which answers should be options.
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well, Id take a slumping Grady Sizemore over virtually anyone on our team
Im not entirely sure what the point of this post was, different big name players struggle every year; we just seem to have more than our fair share; either that or our borderline players are being exposed
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 23, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bren
I don’t have an over-arching point. I’m looking for answers and am hoping for a conversation that goes deeper than “he just sucks.” You hit one of my minor points. Good players every year struggle into May; keeping some perspective is helpful. But it’s getting to the point where you want to be able to understand why the cold starts have gone so long.
In Fontenot’s case, I can conjecture that he’s struggling with his hitting while learning a new position. It’s also possible that the scouting reports have gone around on him and he’s exposed.
In Lee’s case, with such a good May, the best explanation is that he was battling that neck injury in April.
In Soto’s case, we’ve seen some bad luck, yes, but the power outage is a real concern.
In Bradley’s case, I don’t know what to think.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Soto's case...
1. He wasn’t with the team, because he was playing in that damn World Classic. An absolute waste of valuable time, when your starting catcher is supposed to be developing chemistry with your staff.
2. He’s clearly not in the same physical shape as he was last year. He’s put on weight… and there was a direct correlation in his performance when he slimmed down over the last two years.
3. The shoulder is hurt…
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 23, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense.
I’m just surprised it hasn’t affected any of his other numbers – just the HRs – well and the AVG is obviously down, too.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your defense of Soto
1. WBC is not a viable argument for his slump. seems that those who played in it across MLB are not all slumping. Some are, some arent. Stop blaming it.
2. That is his main problem IMO
3. Agreed
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The WBC isn't necessarily an argument for his "slumping"
But, an argument for overall playing condition, performance, and chemistry with his pitching staff.
Had he been with the Cubs all spring, maybe they would’ve worked that extra weight off him. And perhaps if he was in better shape, he may have avoided the shoulder injury. I know these are “If’s,” but I still think it’s discussion worthy.
At any rate, I’m not a fan of the WBC. Especially when it keeps your starting catcher away from the team all spring.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not true at all
If anything, he’d be in better shape b/c he wouldve started his conditioning earlier to prepare for the WBC; furthermore, the pitching staff this year, the starters anyway, are the same as last, when he caught them for an entire year.
He must have some sort of nagging injury or he’s gotten lazy or hes just not as good as he was last year; Im saying its probably a combo of the first two
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't follow your argument
about the chemistry with the pitching staff? Seems he is handling the staff just fine.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
by DMCub on May 24, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the Chemistry is not a problem
with Lilly who was in the WBC. The entire argument about the WBC is nothing more than trying to deflect blame away from Soto for his inability to stay in shape during the off season.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 24, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Sorry I guess I missed what you were going for.
Bradley isnt shocking; He was coming off a career year as a DH in a bandbox, but even that cant account for how poor he has been. On MLBN the otherday they were saying he was having trouble adjusting to a new league, while completely ignoring he was in SD only one year prior, so I dont think that much has changed in the NL since 2007.
Sotos a similar case; he had that one outrageous season in the PCL and fortunately it carried over to 08, but he’s been a bit injured and seems to be a bit bigger this year as well.
But we’re almost to June and I think its nearing the point where its too late to blame it all on a beginning slump
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 23, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree we're moving from the time where we say "it's early"
to when we need to find explanations. I find this to be true for Bradley most of all.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well MB's still only had 88 ABs
and his OBP is significantly higher than his avg, so perhaps he’ll get going when the weather heats up….but with Ibanez power and Abreus prowess on the basebaths, this signing isnt looking too hot
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 23, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Jim wanted Ibanez more
but was beaten to the punch by the Phillies. And the Phillies really did look bad with that signing, given the way the rest of the market went, so I’m not going to blame Hendry on that.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad ibanez is leading the league in HRs
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
by CubbyBlues on May 23, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not denying that he's been good so far this year.
But he is old and on a 3 year deal. We’ll see how that deal looks next year.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take on these four
1. Fontenot: He’s not a full-time starter.
2. Lee: I just don’t see any great improvement. Yes, he is doing better than April but I expect a slightly below 2008 season in 2009. He is aging.
3. Soto: He’s not in the same physical shape as last season. His bat just doesn’t seem as quick so he’s not getting around as well. He may also not be over the earlier injury. Unfortunately this year might be a lost cause for him. If nothing else, hopefully he’ll learn from it.
4. Bradley: This one is the most puzzling. He’s never had a problem hitting. Staying healthy is his usual issue.
by rlpete on May 23, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot
I’m open to the idea that Fontenot’s not a full-time guy. I just wish someone could explain to me how that works. What’s happening to him playing full-time?
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It not that something is happening to him just because he is full time
His great numbers last season really came in July through October. That was a total of 130 AB’s. That’s not a lot of AB’s. Many players can have a hot streak in that short of time. Ronny Cedeno hit .300 in his first season of 80 AB’s.
Now that he is a starter, the law of averages across many more AB’s may just be catching up with him. I’m not ready to say he definitely can’t be a starter but it is looking that way.
by rlpete on May 23, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of the things that I've been considering with Fontenot
that he’s a really streaky player, which we haven’t had a chance to appreciate in the short bursts we’ve seen. But, then, if he’s streaky, wouldn’t that make it even harder to be a successful part-time player?
One of the good signs about Fontenot is that his HR rate has not dipped. That’s one of the reasons I haven’t given up hope on Fontenot. Fontenot’s 2009 problem is really the mirror image of Soto’s.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you are saying
But since we’ve only seen one streak, the question is whether he has another one in him this year.
by rlpete on May 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fonty
could be wearing down playing daily (look how spot playing benefitted Cedeno last season vs playing daily), better scouting reports the more he plays, and if he starts to (or is in a) slump he likely starts pressing to get out of it
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think he's wearing down?
He’s young enough. He’s not in bad shape. Does anyone know if he has any health issues like asthma or something? I haven’t heard of that.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anythign is possible
with 29 ST games this season, and playing daily, when he is used to being used for spot starts. He might not have trained for a marathon rather a sprint (like Hester did for the Bears last season)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been thinking that he's just not cut out to be an everyday player.
Perhaps his body needs more time to recover than other guys.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee
While the Cubs have been facing tough pitching that is shutting so much of the rest of the team down, Lee is hitting. His May numbers are the old Derrek Lee, we’ve missed for the 5 months before: .319/.396/.553. The reason we don’t see the improvement is because the rest of the team’s not hitting around him.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are right
He just doesn’t look the same to me. You are right though May has been better. Hopefully it is a trend not a small sample size.
by rlpete on May 23, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's definitely a small sample size.
None of us has any certainty what Lee’s going to do going forward, especially since the neck issue looks to be reoccurring – but at least we have an explanation and the hope that regular rest can keep him productive.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope Lee is not a hot streak
too many are just looking for any reason to be positive with Lee it seems. Reminds me of Little Big League where the kid get excited over a single because the player is his fav
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've all been looking for reasons to be positive for all the players.
In Lee’s case you don’t have to go looking. You just have to be willing to see what he’s doing.
That said, of course it’s a hot streak – all hitters go through successive streaks. Stats only show us how they balanced out over the year. So far, Lee’s balance isn’t good enough. What we’re hoping is that this hot streak will have length and that the next cold streak won’t be as bad as the one that started the season.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we all should rejoice his 240 average with no power
and continue to keep Hoff on the bench with his offensive numbers?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quoting myself
So far, Lee’s balance isn’t good enough.
Right now, I’m more convinced that Hoffpauir would be over-exposed than that Fontenot is over-exposed.
I’m on record as a Hoffpauir doubter, but also one who has liked the change in approach Hoffpauir has shown.
I’d try and use him the way that Fonty was used last year, moving Soriano to 2B from time to time when our flyball pitchers are on the mound, and resting Dome and Bradley when our groundball pitchers are on the mound. (No, I’m not suggesting Hoffpauir could play CF, but there are ways to work things out on a single-game basis.) Lee could also be rested a day a week. Combined you can get Hoffpauir in there as often as Fontenot did last year.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my concern of Hoff in LF
is he is not bad at 1B but in OF not so much
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 23, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're paying a boatload of money
for certain guys to hit the ball… and they’re not hitting.
The answers are on our roster, and they’re just not performing.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
It’s a slump and a skid. It will end as suddenly as it began. Ride it out and shake up the lineup.
Judd Sirott is responsible for EVERYONE'S injury. And all the current slumps.
Bradley watch -- out 10 games of 39
by znohitter on May 23, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as for Soto
if his problems really are being caused because he’s out of shape, then that’s VERY troubling. I mean, when a professional athlete who has no other job but to dedicate himself to his craft (and get paid a lot of money to do it) , doesn’t do the work required then that tells me his commitment is lacking.
by bluekoolaide on May 23, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
It depends. Some have suggested Soto is out of shape because of the WBC. If that was all, he should be getting back into shape. (And his hitting is better in May.) I wonder if the shoulder problem is affecting his workouts, in which case he needs to find a different way to get in shape, but even then the power might not come back.
But it is certainly also possible that he slacked off. I actually hope that’s all it was, because that’s the easiest to fix in the short-term, and the easiest to know to avoid when it comes time to think about giving him a long-term contract. I’d like to read a Bruce Miles interview with Soto on what’s troubling him this year.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 23, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could Soto just be tired?
I mean, the guy just played his first full season in the big leagues, which included a postseaston run. He simply never played that much before. Being a catcher, that’s pretty rough.
by Poloplaya14 on May 23, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess the worst part of the list
is 4 Cubs are on it.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on May 23, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Steroids. All of them were on steroids.
"If it only ends once, anything that happens before that, is just progress."
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