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Jim Hendry And Lou Piniella, This One's On You: Cubs 2, Padres 7

"Where do you want to go for dinner?" "I dunno, where do YOU want to go for dinner?"

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"Where do you want to go for dinner?" "I dunno, where do YOU want to go for dinner?"

When I say "this one", I don't mean the Cubs' 7th straight loss, 7-2 to the Padres this afternoon; I mean the entire construction of this team and thus, the way it has not been able to handle adversity and injuries.

We've been over this ground before, but Lou apparently decided that the reason the Cubs lost the NLDS to the Dodgers was that they didn't have enough lefthanded hitters. So -- and Jim Hendry did this with his last celebrity manager, Dusty Baker, too -- Hendry let Piniella dictate far too much the composition of his roster. Instead of simply tweaking a few things that might have been wrong with the 2008 Cubs (e.g.: replacing Daryle Ward with Micah Hoffpauir, getting another lefthanded reliever or two), they blew it up.

Now, "blew it up" is relative: it wasn't as if Hendry had a fire sale, jettisoning productive guys like Aramis Ramirez and Alfonso Soriano. But he cut the heart (and when I say "heart", I'm referring to the center, not any amorphous touchy-feely thing) out of the bench and cut its versatility down to near zero. It seemed as if the Cubs got to the end of spring training and suddenly realized, "Hey, we don't have a backup shortstop and our fifth outfielder can't really play."

This worked fine until Aramis Ramirez got hurt and there was no backup. Then Hendry shipped off the useless Joey Gathright and got... another player Lou won't use, Ryan Freel. And if Freel was acquired with the idea that he could play third base, the reality is that the last time Freel played a significant number of games at 3B was five years ago; at age 33 and with back problems, I don't think he can really play 3B and be of any help, and Lou apparently agrees. Freel has started only two games in the two weeks he's been a Cub and is 1-for-10. Since the Cubs are basically paying him Joey Gathright's salary, I'd just let him go.

There are problems beyond this even with the lineups on the field. Len and Bob touched on this during the telecast today; the formerly-patient hitting Cubs have stopped having good at-bats and drawing walks. I'm keeping the "Walk Watch" box on the right sidebar for now, but the pace for the season total has dropped below 600. During the losing streak the Cubs have walked only 12 times -- not at all since Friday -- and six of those were in one game, the Friday game at San Diego where they left a ridiculous 13 men on base. Today, the game got somewhat competitive when Reed Johnson hit his first homer of the year to make it 4-2, but when Ted Lilly (who pitched, again, reasonably well) got in trouble, Aaron Heilman nearly got out of the inning save for one bad pitch to Kevin Kouzmanoff, who hit a three-run homer to put the game out of reach.

So what to do? BCB reader ambrosiadreams posted this thoughtful post not long after the game ended and I happen to agree with a lot of what's inside, but let me summarize, prioritize and add a couple of things to what I'd do with 120 games left -- that's still 3/4 of the season and if the Cubs could go 70-50, which isn't impossible, that'd still be a 91-win season.

First, let's end the David Patton experiment right now. And when I say "now", I mean "a week ago". Patton has a great arm and a fine attitude, but think about it. This afternoon's eighth inning, with the team down 7-2, would have been the perfect time to give him an inning of work, but he sat again anchored to the bullpen bench, guarding the pink backpack for the fifteenth day in a row.

Replace him with Jake Fox. Fox had two more hits today and his numbers are ridiculous: .425/.503/.897 with 17 HR and 50 RBI in 39 games. At this point I don't even care that he can't play defense; get him on the roster and put him anywhere so that this team can score a few runs. Plus, for more than two weeks the Cubs have effectively been playing with a 24-man roster; the blame for that lies squarely with the manager who won't use a pitcher who sits in the bullpen.

Count me in the camp that wants to reacquire Mark DeRosa. DeRo would solve a number of problems because he can play multiple positions -- granted, he's not the best defender, but he can play a passable third base and left field, which could free up other players... including Alfonso Soriano, who has offered to play second base if needed. Right now, maybe that's needed. Soriano wasn't a great second baseman during the five years he played it on a regular basis, but he does have 764 major league games played there and for a month, maybe he could do it. That could free up left field for Jake Fox -- he can't possibly be worse than Dave Kingman out there, can he? (OK, maybe he can. We still need his bat.)

The Cubs also have to think about acquiring a pitcher -- not a starter, because even during the losing streak, the starters have done a pretty good job. But the bullpen, particularly the middle relief as demonstrated by Heilman today, is in tatters. Kevin Gregg is going to get as rusty as Patton is; he has thrown only two innings during the losing streak. I'm not sure who is out there to acquire from a major league team, but maybe it's time to give Jeff Stevens a chance.

What made matters worse today is that I got a call from a friend of mine in California, a Padres fan, and the first thing I heard on the phone was, "Happy anniversary." Um, John? I didn't need that. And then I got a text from BCB reader bison, at the game in San Diego, who said HWSNBN was at the game (later on, I heard him on TV). Ugh. Leave him out there, please.

And yet. The Cardinals lost today to the Royals and if the Twins can beat the Brewers, the Cubs will remain only four games out of first place. As bad as things look, the team is at .500 (it feels like about 10 games under, doesn't it?); we know this team has talent and should be better than this. For an example of a talented team that got off to a bad start and recovered, we need go back no farther than the 2005 Yankees, who started 11-19 but wound up winning 95 games and the AL East. Or how about the 2006 Cardinals, who had two separate eight-game losing streaks and another of seven (the latter in late September, no less), and creaked into the playoffs with an 83-78 record.

You know what happened to them after that. There's a long way to go; things look bad now, but this team is better than they've played the last seven games. Perhaps the Pirates will be the cure.

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I agree with Al.

This team was not built with foresight.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why Miles, Heilman, Freel, Patton, and others are on this roster.

They seem like band-aids. And I’m not even talking about Hoff and Scales (both of whom I like), but who probably shouldn’t be getting so much playing time on a major league roster.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scales and Miles are redundant...

and Freel and Scales appear to be redundant. We’re carrying two guys who are almost certain to post sub-.700 OPS for the season in Freel and Miles, and a third who is pretty darn likely to be there as well.

Last year, we carried one of those guys (Cedeno) to fill the middle-infield backup role. This year, it’s three.

Heilman has good stuff, and did have an effective year or two with the Mets. So I understand his addition (even if it hasn’t looked great so far). But Patton makes no sense. He hasn’t looked good when he has pitched, and now Piniella refuses to pitch him. So we’re playing with a 24-man roster, and that includes 2 redundant weak-hit middle infield backups. Patton needs to be moved off the 25-man roster.

by SouthernCub on May 25, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

I would love to be able to unload Miles and DFA Freel, but to do that we have to acquire other bench players who can help us. It’s frustrating.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bench

While I mostly agree with Al, I wouldn’t say last year’s bench was all that wonderful, either. But certainly this year’s is a mess, and keeping a pitcher on the roster who never gets used makes no sense at all.

"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry

by danimal15 on May 24, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Last year's bench was friggin' great, I dunno what you're talking about.

Reed & LBR were great, and we had guys like Ward, Cedeno, and Blanco that provided either versatile defense or some offensive pop every once-in-a-while.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

and I remember an interleague game in Tampa where we had 4 good lefties come up and pinch hit in the 9th against their closer Percival. Granted, we lost, but we were in that game until the very last pitch because of our bench. Same game this year, we have Freel and Aaron Miles pinch hitting. Drastic difference.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Jimmy Ballgame

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 24, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ward

was done in 2007, he was useless over all last season. He could not run, could not field a position, and had a horrific PH season. Otherwise our bench was strong

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 24, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last season

I agree with Cubbie-Tim. Ward was pretty useless off the bench last year – that was a problem for the team (not much of one, of course, since they won 97 games). All I was saying was, things weren’t perfect.

"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry

by danimal15 on May 24, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about Freel

what’s the point of him taking up a roster spot if he’s not going to play? Especially since his salary is so small. Drop him and Patton and suddenly two more players can come in and hopefully help us be a more complete team.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your earlier post to give Marmol a chance at being closer.

Ship Heilman away, and let Gregg take his place.. We seem to have a surplus of good starting pitching, when the staff is healthy, put the extra starter as a reliever. With our good backup catcher, give Soto more rest (by the way, I think his bat is coming around).

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

and we essentially have 6 starters right now that are more than adequate, so Heilman is really hurting us in that aspect.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

in a park that actually carries, both those flies are probably out.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't give him rest -- Give him a treamill!

He looks like he’s drinking a chocolate milkshake every half inning.

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is treamill

related to Trammel?

by Allie on May 24, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"treadmill"

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mets bullpen--which was HORRIBLE last year...

…didn’t even want Aaron Heilman. I cannot believe Hendry wanted him. Between Gregg, Heilman, Gathright, and Bradley, I think Jim Hendry constructed this year’s team while on a trip to the Joshua Tree with a bagful of shrooms and absinthe.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know how much the Indians would want for DeRosa?

This roster is completely mindboggling.

And I really miss Rami.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I understand the whole...

…“we need to get more left handed” thing but the ‘08 Cubs scored a hell of a lot of runs! The fact DeRosa was shipped out for Bradley perplexed me then, just as much as it does now. I gotta think that if the Cubs tried getting Dero back now, they’d pay a big price while being the laughing stock of MLB.

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if it gets us winning again

i don’t care about being laughed at.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll bet Lou and Jimbo do!

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And they're the ones that count :-)

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

Let ’em get over it. :-P

by Allie on May 24, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I like DeRo too.

Giving up DeRo and getting Miles was not a good move. I’m actually not second-guessing Jimbo on getting Gameboard, I think he will be productive.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually

understand why they traded DeRosa (33, career year, chance to get something for him)… but they didn’t have any way to replace what he gave (multiple positions, lou’s trust).

And I like Bradley. I just wish he’d start hitting.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What exactly do you like about Milton Bradley?

Just curious

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the fact he's

a really good OF and that he’s a career .277 hitter with an OPS of .821

I just wish he’d start living up to his career numbers.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My problem with him is...

…with the exception of Texas, he’s been a cancerous tumor on every team he’s played for, and he’s had a laundry list of injuries.

Also, in his first Wrigley Field game, he threw a temper tantrum and was suspended. Instead of just excepting the ban (aka, take one for the TEAM), when he was already injured with a groin injury, he insisted on becoming a distraction to the team and appealed it “on principle”. Judging by his numbers through today, a few days on the bench probably would have done him some good.

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact he appealed a bogus call

didn’t bother me. The fact the appeal dragged on for 10 days isn’t his fault, AFAIK. Most appeals I remember have been settled before that.

But you’re entitled to your opinion.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The called strike 3 may have been bogus...

…and an argument would have been ok — even an ejection would’ve been ok. But he made contact with an umpire(albeit, minor contact) so he gets suspended. Sit 2 games, you’re injured anyway, put it behind you, and move on. Unfortunately, Milton preferred to make a news story out of it

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have a problem with what Bradley did.

I do have a problem with him not hitting. He may be trying too hard, pressing; I have had this argument before, but playing in Chicago is so much more difficult than any other city he’s been in, including LA. The market SIZE isn’t the issue, it’s the high profile of the team.

I don’t think Milton really understood what pressures would bear on him as a Cub. So far, he doesn’t seem capable of handling them.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand the high profile of the team...

…but I gotta disagree with respect to LA. There is plenty of attention payed to the Dodgers and I imagine they were glad when MB left town after the fan incident. Just ask Andruw Jones about being a Dodger.

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point taken.

Still, MB did have a decent year there.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And he still has a chance to

have a decent year here.

Just time for him (and everyone else) to start getting it together.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would never happen. For Hendry to do that is an open admission that he screwed things up.

He doesn’t need that kind of advertisement when his contract comes due with the new ownership.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Hendry signed an extension over the offseason...

…but that still not a good first impression!

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will you stop that?

It has NOTHING to do with “romanticism”. It has everything to do with acquiring a versatile player who can help the Cubs in the absence of Aramis Ramirez.

Nothing more, nothing less.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, then give me some other options

instead of pining for this guy like he was the best player in history.

And as long as you or anybody else don’t, then no, I won’t stop it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, YOU give me some more options.

I’ve given you mine.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Here is what

Ryan Freel can do http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/freelry01.shtml

Career .270 hitter, 22 career home runs and 118 career RBI. DeRosa is a career .278 hitter and hit 21 homers last year. That isn’t romanticism, it’s looking at facts. Are you really that dense or do you just like to be a pain in the rear? DeRosa ain’t Mickey Mantle, but he is a hell of a lot better option than Ryan Freel.

by qccub on May 24, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who do you think you are?!

Do you realize that you are condescending not just to Al, but to the majority of the posters here? How can someone who is so consistently wrong be so bullheaded?

Your argument against DeRosa started out as “I refuse to criticize Hendry”. You laughed about dero’s early season struggles and said Fonty was better. Now, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you continue to say that Derosa would not help this team. Why? What do you gain? And if you’re going to spend all your time being so obviously wrong, why be so pigfish about it? Stop calling people idiots and saying things like “oh you cubs fans get what you deserve sometimes.” You are being a jerk, and need a site enforced time out. Failing that, reassess your situation, recognize that you don’t have any more allies, and change your tone.

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by D98 on May 25, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wrong?

Sorry, I’m not wrong about this. And I criticize Hendry when I see fit.

I think this love affair many of you have with DeRosa is pathetic in the extreme. Most of you have been whining since Opening Day about it, like a bunch of jilted lovers or a spoiled child who had his lollipop taken away. He was fine for what he was, but his absence isn’t the reason this team is having problems right now.

And frankly, if Al thinks DeRosa is more valuable to this team than Greg Maddux was to the Cubs in his prime, he deserves to be called on it, much as I love him and what he’s done with this site.

There are some things that can be done to improve this club right now. The front end of the bullpen and one more utility player can help. But most of the help for this team must come from within, from players eventually playing up to their capabilities.

I realize we live in a right-away society, but baseball is not a right-away type of game. If you don’t get that, you should go watch the Cavs and the Magic instead.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 25, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al didn't say DeRosa was more valuable than Maddux...

this has been your repeated retort, and it is absurdly inaccurate. Is that really the best you can do?

DeRosa is better than Miles and Freel. He’s not an all-star, but getting him back would make the roster better. That’s the point. There is a middle ground between thinking DeRosa is an all-star and thinking DeRosa is useless to the team. Apparently you can’t understand that.

I realize you like to take the “wait and see” approach. That certainly applies with guys who have a track record of success. For example, I agree that we should wait and see on Bradley, Soto, and Lee. But Miles is not a good baseball player, and Freel hasn’t been right since his injury. They aren’t going to put up .750 OPS any time soon, and neither plays defense at 3B as well as DeRosa.

by SouthernCub on May 25, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did I ever say DeRosa was more valuable than Maddux?

That’s absurd, and I have never said it.

Not Bruce, you have been combative and insulting to other posters, myself included, on this issue. You have called people names. None of that is acceptable behavior.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 25, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I was agreeing with you, Al...

I’m guessing you meant this as a response to NBF, not me. Just wanted to make sure though.

by SouthernCub on May 25, 2009 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's correct.

I guess I threaded it wrong.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 25, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I give up

You guys are right and I’m wrong. Season’s over. And DeRosa is God.

Feel better now?

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 25, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, you misrepresent people's viewpoints...

There is such thing as a gray area, man. Look into it. Discussing ways to improve the team doesn’t mean you think that the season is lost.

by SouthernCub on May 25, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

No one has said this:

And DeRosa is God.

But confirm or deny: DeRosa is a major leaguer who plays more than secondbase at at least a league average.

Confirm or deny: We could use more versatility on our bench.

Now DeRosa is gone. The chances of him coming back to play in Cubbie blue are slim to nil. But to say that everyone who wishes he WOULD come back is “worshiping a minor cub” is ridiculous. And insulting.

And I’ve not seen anyone saying “fold up the tents, we’re finished”. If we don’t start playing better and winning more consistently soon: the playoffs are going to become increasingly unlikely.

And you’re not always wrong. But your tone is. And I’ve asked you before to change it. Talking people around to your point of view would be easier if you didn’t sound like a jerk.

by Allie on May 25, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just re-read most of my posts on this thread

And honestly, I don’t see much here that’s all that inflammatory. In fact, the responses are more inflammatory than the original posts.

You basically are saying that DeRosa is God. Not in those exact words, perhaps, but that’s what you’re saying.

And I’m sorry if you don’t care for my tone. I also don’t care for a lot of yours.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 25, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one is saying DeRosa is god...

that’s an obnoxious suggestion. Saying that DeRosa is better than Miles/Freel is not the same thing as saying DeRosa is god.

It is perfectly reasonable to prefer to have DeRosa to Miles/Freel. The stats back it up.

There’s also a reasonable argument as to why DeRosa won’t (and maybe even shouldn’t) be regained.

There’s a big gap between what people are actually suggesting regarding DeRosa and what you’re accusing people of suggesting.

by SouthernCub on May 25, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps your analysis

of the situation is more logical and measured than that of others, SC.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 25, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux wouldn't have made a difference in 1993

And DeRosa would make a difference now. So in so many words, that’s exactly what you said.

Of course, you don’t know what effect Maddux would have had in ’93, nor in the 11 years from then until he returned.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 25, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Extremely poor.

Now I know what he’s talking about. I did say that keeping Greg Maddux would probably not have made up the 13 games the Cubs finished out of first place in 1993. I’ve also said that getting DeRosa back (or not letting him go in the first place) might make the 2009 Cubs a better team.

How that morphed into “Al says letting DeRo go was worse than letting Maddux go” is beyond me.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 25, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty easily, I think

And I’m not the only one who interpreted it that way.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 25, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are.

However, I did NOT mean it that way — that’s patently ridiculous, and I do not believe that.

Let’s close this thread, because your hostility and attacks yesterday were completely uncalled for and I don’t want and will not tolerate a repeat.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 25, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finally

Something we can agree on. (And judging from the replies to your Maddux/DeRo post, I think you’re mistaken.)

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 25, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Bruce

these are the NEW DeRomantics now… it’s a totally different movement…

seriously, I got really tired of hearing about DeRosa early in the season, too… but the talk about him now is much more about practicality than romanticizing a lost player… right now, people like Al are talking about him as a potential answer to some current problems, not as “The Savior of the Cubs”… so I think you should cut them some slack…

by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 24, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody's being "romantic" here

We simply miss a versatile player who could be a HUGE help to us right now. I mean, some us us are actually bothered by the fact that this team is currently completely unable to score runs and we’d like to think that something could/should be done to change this.

The rest can continue to look through their delusional rose colored glasses and say that everything’s fine, the Cubs are great, no help needed, etc.

by bluekoolaide on May 24, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That what I just said

Did you read my post before replying to it?

read it again but imagine the first line with a big blinking “SARCASM” after it… then read past the first line… thanks

by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 24, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been like this all season

Not just now. Not just in the last week.

Like I said, sometimes Cubs fans deserve all the criticism they get.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa is only half practical

He addresses the immediate need, but not the long-term need. We need a plus defender who can play both positions on the left side of the IF. DeRosa will only be able to play 3B under Lou. We don’t need DeRosa in the OF, either; he’s just a name we remember and a guy we liked.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 24, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard people make this point before...

and it doesn’t make any sense to me. The way Hendry gains job security is by winning. If he thinks that doubling back on a previous decision would achieve that, i find it hard to believe that he wouldn’t do it.

In other words, I really don’t think it has anything to do with a fear that somehow all of a sudden his bosses will go “wait, is he admitting that he screwed up?”.

The only consideration that I think is possible is that he doesn’t want to appear like he’s indecisive and timidly going for a mulligan. But you can avoid that by doubling back with confidence and making it known that you are acting with a plan. Or as a Military man might say, “you’re not retreating; you’re attacking in the other direction.”

(Btw, in saying this, I’m not supporting the idea of getting DeRo; I actually haven’t decided if i think it would be a good idea or not.)

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 24, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just looking at the 2008 Cubs season book..

And became even more depressed. The guys looked so happy.

Milton Bradley will win the 2009 NL MVP

by Milton's Gameboard on May 24, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Everbody is happy when your team wins 97 games.

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by DrCrawdad on May 24, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

at least until the playoffs start. :(

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 24, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heilman

I don’t see why Lou insists on bringing him in with inherited runners. Heilman has proven he can’t handle doing that in an inning. He proved that in 2007 and 2008.

Today we only scored two runs so it didn’t make a different but seriously Lou needs to recognize this with his bullpen.

by ak123 on May 24, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Talk about blowing things up

When I read stuff like “make Marmol the closer,” sounds like you’re just blowing up more stuff. He’s fine where he is, and so is Gregg.

If I’m making changes right now, the biggest one is letting go of Patton and replacing him with either another reliever or another utility player. Give Hill a little more playing time. And that’s about it.

The answers to the Cubs’ current woes are right on their roster. The guys who have shown a history of producing need to live up to their records. If they do that, they’ll be fine.

Good thing the powers that be aren’t as panicky as the fans.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

They needed to not be so righty-heavy. Perhaps you can get away with it during the regular season, but in a short series, it’s better to have some balance.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta get there first!

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

but regardless of handedness, get guys who can play.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by guys who can play

I mean more than second base.

Why we have so many secondbasemen is beyond me.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't we have this problem with too many outfelders a couple of years ago?

Sometimes I think Hendry forgets who he has on the team.

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by BigJohnAZ on May 24, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've always had a glut of players...

with Baker it was too many 2B. Then, with Piniella at the beginning it was too many LF. Now, we’re back to too many 2B.

Note: I’m not attributing this to the managers – it’s just easier to present chronologically that way.

Hendry works with his managers to identify what they think they want, and then he develops an obsession with achieving it – usually to the point of excess.

by SouthernCub on May 25, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A team that wins 97 games...

shouldn’t flop in the Playoffs!

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on May 24, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Tell that to the 100-win Angels from last year.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 25, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

recommended!

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say that all fans are panicky.

There are some of us that just see holes in the roster and have ideas to proactively correct some of them.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And some of those ideas

like making Marmol the closer, would make things worse.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

care to elaborate?

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your highest stress situation

Doesn’t necessarily come in the ninth. You might need to get an out or two with two on base in the seventh. Or you might have the bases loaded and nobody out in the eighth. Starting an inning with nobody on and no outs isn’t when you need someone with Marmol’s ability.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And incidentally...

… I said I agreed with a lot of the ideas in that post, not all of them. I do NOT agree with making Marmol the closer.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gregg just gets hit way too hard

to be a closer. The 9th is when teams pull out all the stops to tie/win the game. Make Marmol the closer, and if Gregg gets a couple of guys on in the 8th, Marmol is more than capable of getting a 4 or 5 out save.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you'll work him into submission

Marmol is fine for one inning. After that, he has problems. Leaving him in there for four- or five-out saves is asinine.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying

that Marmol can’t do what a generation of closers did before 1995 or so? Work 2 innings regularly for a save? I’ll bet guys like Lee Smith would laugh at posts like yours.

"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry

by danimal15 on May 24, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, danimal, we know.

Every starting pitcher should throw a CG, and if they don’t, every closer should post 3-inning saves.

It’s a lovely nostalgia, but the reality is, pitchers today aren’t used that way.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not what I'm saying

Al – you’re twisting my words. I never said anything about CGs, nor do I think we should expect one every time. The game has indeed changed, and I acknowledge it. But asking a closer to get more than 3 outs at a time isn’t living in the past – Mariano Rivera does it quite often even now. And Marmol has proven he can handle more than an inning of work at a time.

"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry

by danimal15 on May 24, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mariano Rivera.

The number of more than one inning appearances he has this year is one (out of 19).

The number of more than one inning appearances he had last year was 15 (out of 64).

He USED to do that quite a bit. But he is older now, and the Yankees don’t use him that way.

And Rivera is, after all, a future Hall of Famer. Kevin Gregg… isn’t.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 25, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

and I for one think that Marmol has earned that role.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So basically your idea is to leave everything as it is

and eventually everybody will start hitting and everything will be fine?

Yeah, that’s realistic.

The problem is I have a bad feeling Hendry might agree with you,

by bluekoolaide on May 24, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that's what I said

The front end of the bullpen needs work, and one more utility bat would be nice.

Otherwise? No. That’s it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I agree about Marmol. Not that stats are that meaningful when you compare

pitching in the 8th to the 9th, but here’s some info:


Gregg ERA: 5.40
Cotts ERA: 5.40
Heilman ERA: 5.30
Marmol ERA: 3.60

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you left out Fox

Fox ERA: 135.00

seriously… he better never come off the DL..

by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 24, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, why is he still on the roster? Sometimes I just don't understand...

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is not the fact that you need Marmol to get key outs in the eighth inning. There

are just as many key outs in the ninth as there are in the eighth. Most teams have there best reliever as their closer and they seem to be doing fine.Infact, we are looking up at them now. The problem is that the bullpen is weak.

Currently, we are trying to set the game up so that our best reliever can get those key outs. You are saying that they come in the eighth, but sometimes they come in the ninth. Marmol can’t pitch the seventh, eighth and the ninth innings. If he is in fact your best reliever, then he should be pitching in the ninth. Even if he gets those key outs in the eighth, the ninth still remains. You can’t hide the bad arms in that bullpen. Eventually, they will pitch and more often than not, they have given up runs. We need better performances out of the bullpen as a whole.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 24, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if you lose the game in the eighth,

the ninth becomes irrelevant.

Marmol is fine where he is.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is really depressing. It does feel like were 10 games under.

Believe it or not there is a bright side to this whole thing:

1.) We are still only 4 games out of first and we are still .500.

2.) We play the Pirates next series at Wrigley. I couldn’t ask for a better team to end a streak.

3.) This streak is happening in May and not August or September. Gives the Cubs plenty of time to make moves, get people healthy, and turn things around.

"They say we don't look good on paper. Well, we don't play on paper." Joe McCarthy (1926)

by Bricks and Ivy on May 24, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Finally, I have just been fed up with this team

I remember telling my fellow Cub fan friends in the off season that this season was going to be mediocre. They laughed, but it looked like I was the only reasonable thinking one.

 Jim Hendry essentially tried to relieve the salary room by trading away players for cheaper options that he hope would be just as serviceable. For example: Trading away Pie and then signing Gathright and signing Miles then trading DeRosa. The same philosophy goes for the bullpen as well. This experiment has utterly failed.

In addition, the Milton Bradley signing is looking dreadful everyday. I support the guy and would even love if he hit .300 with 30 HR, but he is sucking it up right now, in addition to Soto, Fontenot, Theriot, and pretty much every other Cub not named Fukudome.

One change I do like is Koyie Hill for Henry Blanco. The rest are garbage.

The Heilman deal is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Before the trade, we had Cedeno and Garrett Olsen. Had we still have Cedeno, he would look real nice at 3b right now. Or DeRosa, which every Cubs fan knew that trade would come back to bite us in the ass when Ramirez went down.

I liked Patton at first, but the General must go.

I liked it when Fontenot was declared the starting 2b, but he is horrifically slumping right now. The problem is we have no viable option at that position other than him.

The difference between this team and 2008 is simply defined as: the bench and the bullpen, both of which that are dead compared to the glorious 2008 season.

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 24, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

note: this may just be a rant

I had to turn of the TV just to keep me from punching a hole through it

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 24, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, it's a rant

and nothing more.

And the 2008 season didn’t end in a glorious way.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the 2008 team was more built for the playoffs than this team

n/t

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 24, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, thats why we should learn from last off season

and never follow that plan again..

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 24, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you really can't judge it

until the season has played out. Not after one-quarter of it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So by your logic

You need not stop a car heading off a cliff until it has gone off the cliff?

Please feel free to follow your logic train off a cliff please.

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't panic when your car goes out of control

you try to get out of the spin or whatever, don’t you?

Or would you panic and completely lose it? Panic gets you nowhere.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he does

That certainly would explain a lot.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed but either way

you change the direction of the car.

How you do it is debatable.

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Making changes does not necessarily equal panic...

Doing nothing does equal doing nothing.

You might be better suited trying to make the argument that the car is not out of control in this case.

by SouthernCub on May 25, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in favor of changes

But you can’t say everything from the offseason is a “never do again” move until more is known.

At least, thats how I’m reading this particular thread.

by Allie on May 25, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there's a lot going on in this thread...

I think both the arguers (NBF and Prince of Darkness) are on opposite ends of the extremes here.

by SouthernCub on May 25, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny how that works.

Some of us criticized these moves as they were happening. That’s called foresight.

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by D98 on May 25, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Teams like last years come along rarely

97 wins. Lots of good guys. A no hitter from your ace in Sept.

Everything looked lined up. Then they turned back into the Cubs.

This season was doomed to be at the very least different than that. Time for this team to decide what its going to be: another disappointing Cub team or something more.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

good post

why? because it has some perspective… the long view of a long-time Cubs fan..

It was great to have 2 good years in a row, and it’s still possible we can have 3 of them.

I certainly hope so, but I’m not going to give myself a coronary if it doesn’t work out that way.

Sorry, folks — but this is what it is to be a Cubs fan. You always hope for the best, but you’re going to have to get used to a lot of disappointment.

On the plus side, I do firmly believe that “someday we’ll go all the way” and when that day does come it will mean more to us long-suffering fans than any championship has ever meant to any fans anywhere.

by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 24, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I disagree

This time if we go into the playoffs they’re not going to think they are Superman. I truly think The Cubs and us as fans felt the team was invincible.

by ak123 on May 24, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The other elephant in the room that I have yet to really investigate…is that many of our regulars from last year had career years in one way or another. I’m afraid of looking into that and seeing what I find.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So might have

many of the bench guys, too. Even the guy who’s apparently missed more by Cubs fans than Greg Maddux ever was.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are caustic.

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by D98 on May 25, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outside of DeRosa

I don’t remember anyone having a career year last year.

Not that theres a huge book on guys like Theriot or Fontenot to know for sure.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reed, DeRosa, Edmonds, Soto, Fontenot, Dempster, Marmol…like I said, I’ll look into it more, but that’s just off my head.

Okay, quick glance @ BR, did you know that out of every pitcher on the roster that threw more than 30 IP last year (starters and closers), only ONE had an ERA+ less than 99? Bobby Howry. That’s how good our pitchers were last year. Every starter was 99 or greater, and every major bullpen arm was, too. That blows my mind.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds had a career year?

2004 would like to have a word with you.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, was that his MVP-like year?

I just was going off the top of my head. He was what, 38 or 39 last year with us? Pretty good for an old guy!

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd argue against that

Most players last year didn’t really seem to have that dominating season. Lee, Ramirez, and Soriano were all above average players. Soto had a career season definitely, but we don’t know if he could continue it. Last year’s efforts were more of a team effort than single seasons by a batter

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 24, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have no infield, that's the problem.

I’m not really worried about our starting pitching or our outfield.

Our outfield—Soriano, Dome, Bradley, Reed, Micah—have all been doing as they should, or exceeding expectations, sans Bradley. Soriano’s going through one of his typical droughts, and will likely carry us through June or another few months when he’s hot. Dome’s been himself circa pre-All-Star break 2008, and Micah’s been a great addition. I strongly dislike Bradley, but that’s for another post.

Our pitching isn’t really the problem. All 6 of our starters (Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, Wells, Marshall, Dempster) have ERA+ of 96 or greater, with 4 of them greater than 100. We lead the league in SO/BB/9IP, but we give up too many homers. Hell, even 3 of our 4 biggest bullpen arms aren’t as terrible as I thought: Heilman, Marmol, and Guzman are all over ERA+ of 100. Granted, there’s no confidence in the bullpen, but we are mostly a .500 team (when it feels like .350) because our arms have been pretty damn good. This is a good sign to me. If our arms are on, I believe that we are neither as good of an offensive team like 2008 (where we were #2 in MLB), but sure as shit aren’t an anemic (or bi-polar) offense as it appears this year.

Theriot and Fontenot are great guys to have on a team…if you need someone to spot-start every other day, come off the bench (like LBR was properly used last year), or have enough defensive and offensive players in the infield to compensate for their daily use. But considering both Mike & Ryan have very positive UZR/150s @ 2B and negligible or negative ratings at SS or 3B, their utility becomes strikingly similar. Riot’s OPS+ in 2009 is above his career average (but still alike last year’s performance of 93). Fontenot is down, which I’m assuming is because he’s not being used correctly. Miles just sucks. When the most consistent infield lineup includes Miles, Theriot, and Fontenot, I’m not confident that we can put a team on the field that can out-score the other.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you and I are on the same level with how we feel about this team right now

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 24, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused about your comment on Theriot at SS.

Last I looked (about 3 days ago), Theriot has the 3rd highest UZR/150 in all of baseball at 16.2. Dat Cub Daver and I actually had a conversation about that on another thread as it were which is why I remember it.

You might argue that UZR doesn’t adequately capture defensive prowess, but you’re wrong if you’re saying that Theriot’s URZ and UZR/150 at shortstop are "negligible or negative ratings…). In actuality, according to that metric he’s one of the best defensive SS in the game right now.

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 24, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, in 2009. Through 40 games. Great, a quarter of the season.

He’s a MUCH better defensive player at 2B – 21.7 At shortstop, however, he’s a career 4.3. Which is fine if the rest of our infield can produce offense. But they aren’t doing that, not at all. I either want a superior defensive shortstop with the other three positions producing offense, or a SS that can rake at the plate. I don’t think Riot is either of those. Our team BAbip is 5th in the NL, which means we are either a great defensive club (which we were last year), or we are getting pretty damn lucky. I think Theriot is benefiting from a great defense around him. I’m unclear how great he is at SS without his teammates.

I’m fine with Theriot producing as much as he can—I think we’ve seen his ceiling at near .360 OBP and lots of scraptastic singles to RF, no power, and a defense that is a handful of runs above league average—but it’s insufficient when no one else around him is doing much of anything. I’m not suggesting Theriot is the problem, but I do think the ability to move him (either to 2B or to another team) should be more than an option considering what those around him are and are not doing. He’s a decent player, but if there’s an opportunity to improve, I’m not tied to the guy at all.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the clarification.

Most of that seems fair to me. I’m more sanguine about leaving him at SS, but do agree that under the right circumstances, I’d have no problem with shifting him—over provided his replacement offered a meaningful upgrade.

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 24, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Randy Wells was right

Every team goes through this stuff, but because it’s the Cubs, everybody notices it more.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

eh, I don't think so

Not once have I thought about THE GOAT or ONE CENTURY; this is such a horrific slump for a team with high expectations

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 24, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The lack of patience by the fan base

probably is higher than any other franchise in baseball. I can undersand it. But that doesn’t mean I have to like it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I'd agree with you to a certain extent with that

I think the Chicago fanbase for any local team is more impatience than other fan bases, but this is much more than just not being patient, I think..

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 24, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More so than the Yankees???

Cubs fans haven’t won SHIT in over 60 years. Yet the fans continue to pour into Wrigley Field year after year, the Cubs draw some of the largest crowds on the road, and you think they’re not patient?

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not anymore

Like I said, I understand it. But I guarantee it will be an ugly scene tomorrow night at Wrigley.

If Soriano strikes out to lead off the game, the boos will be loud.

I’m not against booing, not at all. But I think Rick Morrissey might have it right — the atmosphere around that ballpark is so crushing, it’s going to be tough to win anything.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good. BOO THE HELL OUTTA EM. They don’t deserve any cheers at this point. And I hope Milton complains about playing RF. He can’t even hit .190. Theriot is a better power hitter than him right now.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been patient for over thirty years

at some point, the patience starts to get used up.

by bluekoolaide on May 24, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That has nothing to do with the present

And I’ve got 10 years on you in the waiting department.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then go cheer somewhere else

If your patience gets “used up” completely, then what? Why wait for that moment?

by Mike Martin on May 24, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YEAH!

BOO THE HELL OUTTA THEM! That’ll get’em going!.. And cheering and encouraging will do what? Make them play worse?

by Mike Martin on May 24, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those SOBs are gonna get booed like crazy

and they deserve it. Boo them like crazy.

Oh Mark DeRosa how we need you at third base.

by nji232 on May 24, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yours is a sentiment...

that I will never understand. But to each his own I guess.

(Though I really don’t get how you feel justified calling them all sons of b****es….)

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 24, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without starting a should you boo or not debate

This team is paid to perform. They aren’t doing that, they are coming home on a seven game losing streak that has every fan but one or two really worried. If the fans who paid for their tickets want to boo people then they should do so.

I wish people would come to my job and boo me when I don’t perform. It would motivate me and make me try harder.

I have much worse words for the POS product the Cubs have trotted out the last week.

It is okay to be critical of your team. It doesn't make you a dumb fan or a bad fan.

by nji232 on May 24, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I don't get.
It would motivate me and make me try harder

What could possibly make you think they’re not already trying?

Sigh. You’re sick of garbage play? Stop going to the games. Stop watching. You get bad service at a restaurant, you don’t go back. You don’t go in, get a seat, look at the menu and then heckle everyone on the wait staff.

At least I don’t.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I wrote that wrong

I didn’t mean to say they weren’t trying, rather that booing would make me try even harder.

It is okay to be critical of your team. It doesn't make you a dumb fan or a bad fan.

by nji232 on May 24, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see this as an effort problem

They are trying. Trying harder isn’t going to fix this.

At this point its a matter of doing.

by Allie on May 24, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO booing will

only make them hate the fans. Booing does not solve the problem. I believe they are trying but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of chemistry on this team and that could be some of the problem.

by sue369 on May 25, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't really referring to booing

I’ve previously disagree with doing so, but as I said to each his own.

Mostly, I was commenting on your personal attacks on them. Even if they were hitting .042 as a team and spent each game spooning the catcher in the batter’s box, it doesn’t seem warrented to me to call them SOBs.

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 24, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Al

Al, early in the season (I think) you listed the number of runs produced last year by DeRosa and Edmunds. You questioned where those runs were going to come from after the Cubs got rid of both of them. I think your question points to our current problem. I would hire both of them back if I were King.

wccubfan

by wccubfan on May 24, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good thing you aren't king

There are no White Knights who are going to ride in and save the Cubs.

Edmonds is Gary Gaetti all over again. DeRosa peaked last season and probably would be slumping along with everybody else were he here.

Get over it. Please.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know Edmonds would have pulled a Gaetti?

You don’t.

And you don’t know that about DeRosa, either.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds was at the end of his rope

Wonder why nobody else has signed him?

And DeRosa is not going to be the savior of this team. Sorry, Al, but that’s the truth. If the guys on the current roster are playing up to capabilities, nobody says a word about … him.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one is asking DeRosa to be a "savior".

However, we could use a third baseman for a few weeks. DeRosa could do that. After that he could be a super-sub, or platoon at 2B with Fontenot.

I have never once said he would be a “savior”. That’s your word, not mine.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you get the wrong impression.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been that way

since Day One of the season.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this whole thread is indicative...

You sure are quick to tell us all what it is we all think.

It’s only surpassed by the quickness with which you tell us in certainty that we’re all wrong and you know better.

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 24, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anything, it might be proof

The Cubs lead the league in bedwetting fans who lack any persepective.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank goodness...

Your Omnipotence is around to berate us into shape.

by CubsWin!Oregon on May 24, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 25, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are fascinating.

What kind of personal demons leads one to personally call out dozens of cubs fans on an Internet site…. Including the owner of said site?! Seriously, where do you get off giving your unfounded, unfactual speculation the force of law?!

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 25, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is he a super sub or not?

you say he is and so have i. i got told I was wrong he is not a super sub by others.

(rolls eyes)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 24, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He just thinks his speculations are facts.

My problem with that starts when he starts calling me an idiot for disagreeing.

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by D98 on May 25, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jake Fox

Let’s bring him up. I can not stand watching Fonty, Miles, and everyone else not hitting.

Did the ’08 team have a week like this (other then in the playoffs)?

I love watching the Cubs during the season and dread watching them in the playoffs.

by Cub Fan Mike on May 24, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

September was not a good month

Don’t have all the stats here, but …

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking without the facts seems to be your specialty

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya know, I haven't seen you around in a while...surprising.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aug 30-Sept 5, 6 games

Got SO 2X and scored 14 runs during that span

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 24, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As an aside

on May 26 last year we began a 9 game winnig streak. FWIW. But last year we we at least scoring runs.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 24, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point I don't give a shit what we do.

As long as something changes. Okay, that’s not entirely true, but you catch my drift.

The biggest problem I have with bringing Jake Fox up is that we essentially have another Micah Hoffpauir. A guy that can hit the ball…but nowhere to hide him in the field. If both these guys are playing we have either a horrible right side of the field (1B & RF), or a horrible right side of the field (1B & RF) AND a horrible left field if Soriano gets moved to 2B. I know, we need to score some damn runs, but I have just about 0% confidence in a team that includes Fox, Hoffpauir, Miles, Fontenot, and Theriot in a lineup. (shudders).

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

September

I think late August and into September we really stunk it up.

We were up 5 or so games but it felt like there was lingering cloud over the team and that the Brewers, Cards or Astros could come out and beat us. Thankfully that didn’t happen.

by ak123 on May 24, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting swept on the 84 celebration weekend was bad...

having HWSNBN walking back and forth on the concourse behind us the entire game and seeing giggling female cubfans of ALL AGES lining up to get their picture with him was just depressing. My wife actually asked me if why anyone cares about a schmuck making noise like that CONSTANTLY.

The drunk Padre fan that found it humorous to “pretend” to bump into cub fans while pretending to use a push broom as we all were tying to leave the stadium was the cherry on top. I’m just sort of numb and don’t care right now. Maybe a good 3 game series with the Pirates is what we need.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 24, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It’ll probably be the highlight of their season. Maybe even a 3-5 year period of seasons. Let ’em have it.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HWSNBN???

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you had to name him there.

But normally, he’s “HWSNBN” (He Who Shall Not Be Named).

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should start a list of "HWSBN"'s lol

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 24, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or the HWWWWSNBN

He who we wish would shall not be named

by Emelie on May 24, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or dump the hwsnbn altogether -

it is just giving him more acknowledgment – someone asks everytime and then the thread continues

by doofus cubs guy on May 25, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few here thought the Padres would solve our ills

and the Bucs are 6-4 in their last ten with a come from behind W vs, the Sux today. Easier said than done.

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by BigJohnAZ on May 24, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THIS SWEEP HURT ..

Like salt in the wound….Yes we could hear that person but could not see him….

by cubs north on May 24, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

VERY well thought out

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ignore him.

All 90 of his posts contain one or more of the following words: idiot, retard, “shut the hell up”, or sucks.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch your attitude.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

I know everybody is unhappy/tense, but that is uncalled for.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 24, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all are.

It doesn’t mean you can use the language you have used in multiple posts here. Do NOT do it again.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look, I know it will be hard to hide Fox in the field but we have to start scoring.

His numbers are amazing. Our defense already sucks. Its bad when a .188 hitter is batting 4th.

by Mr.Cub on May 24, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

See what I mean, calicubfan?

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money."

--Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 24, 2009 7:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jump now, folks

And no getting back on later, if circumstances warrant it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

should we sacrifice a small animal to sign the pact?

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on May 24, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, that's not a ledge, it's a bridge.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep. and that looks like summertime fun

what we experience now is the Cub equivalent of waterboarding. It’s still early in the season, but it sure feels like we’re drowning.

by Emelie on May 24, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so what are you going to say...

when the Cubs are 20 games under at the end of the season?

this particular Cub team doesn’t give us much hope.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on May 24, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go away

I’m not predicting anything. But your prediction is asinine.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trend are trends

What trend do you see????

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on May 24, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see a .500 team

No more, no less.

Were you declaring them WS champs when they were hot last week? If not, shut the hell up.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you must have peaked at today's standings!

I said from the beginning of the season that this was a poorly constructed team and that it would eventually catch up to them. I wish it hadn’t, but looks like it has.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on May 24, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? You can tell that right now?

At the quarter pole? at .500?

Another brain stem.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep!

Crappy middle relief, crappy bench and crappy batting averages!

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on May 24, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NBF may have "peeked" at today's standings, but I hope he didn't "peak" at them

There’s a lot more pretty things that a guy can “peak” at than the NL Central standings. Hopefully, that’s not his fetish.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on May 24, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I predict

you tell at least a dozen more people to “Go away and never come back”

by CubsFan87 on May 24, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

you have already told me before so I can be counted again.

Amazing though, here I am, still posting.

by CubsFan87 on May 24, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't*

be counted again

by CubsFan87 on May 24, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just shows

you don’t listen very well. Yet another character flaw.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One

of many I’m afraid.

by CubsFan87 on May 24, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have been Flagged

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have done nothing to warrent being flagged

You on the other hand. Well…

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Following someone around a thread

solely to flag them.

What are we, 12?

by Allie on May 24, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NBF has been overly

hostile and I believe it should be pointed out. I also believe you should know who your accuser is thus I’m letting him know.

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious...

…can one flag one’s self? I think I’m gonna start flagging my own posts! Grow up children — Stop the bikkering and stick to baseball!

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Name calling is all you have sir.

It is sad and you make this place a sad place with your writing.

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like you NBF

you’ve been nice to me when I was new here…

I even happen to agree with most of your opions…

but right now… take a deep breath… it’s not worth it..

by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 24, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

I will jump, get back on during a winning streak, jump again during a slump, get right back on again during a winning streak, repeat.

by CubsFan87 on May 24, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everybody remember....

…the Brewers are losing to the Twins right now, and then the Cardinals start a 3 game set at the Brewers tomorrow.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on May 24, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thats good the brews are losing.

its weird we are coming out of this stretch only 4 games down.

by Mr.Cub on May 24, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right.

No one is running away with the NL Central. Not on May 24, anyway.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 24, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

but this last weeks makes you wonder if this is a “Playoff” team.

Anything can happen (I.E. 2006 Cards) but odds of this team playing .600 ball from here on out are looking very dim.

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did last week convince you

they were a WS champion? It must have. You have to be consistent.

If you aren’t, buzz off.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH SNAP!

"They say we don't look good on paper. Well, we don't play on paper." Joe McCarthy (1926)

by Bricks and Ivy on May 25, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very well put.

+1.

I ask others who agree to rec as well.

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 24, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You all can be miserable together

I’m not going to let a few pinheads ruin my summer.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 24, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

If they were losing games 10-9, 9-8, 12-11, I would say “hey they’ll shake out of it once the weather warms up”, but when they average 1.5 runs a game, it’s hard to overcome that trend.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on May 24, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the flip side

Everyone would be lining up on the ledge because our pitching staff was giving up way too many runs. I don’t know that I’d feel any better losing games like that.

As much as it pains me to say this, I would rather our SP be as good as it has been knowing that the offense can’t possibly continue to be this bad.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra

by DMCub on May 25, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the bats just need to start waking up.

the starting pitching has been good. relievers are a little shaky though.

by Mr.Cub on May 24, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

As a matter of fact, before this slump began, most comments here addressed the bullpen. Heilman is beyond putrid, Gregg has shown almost ZERO consistency, Cotts is a crap shoot, Patton is, well, Patton. On the flip side, Marmol and Guzman have looked half-way decent.

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"

by calicubfan on May 24, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have some faith in Ascaino being good

Idk why, but I feel like he could be a real nice piece to the pen.

Oh Mark DeRosa how we need you at third base.

by nji232 on May 24, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My 2 Cents ---

Right now what the Cubs obviously need is some hitting — clutch hitting — and getting more men on base so when someone starts to hit in the clutch, runs will suddenly appear on the scoreboard.
Start by bringing up Fox — off the bench or somewhere in the lineup. For crying out loud, the guy’s hitting .425 with 50 RBIs. What more does he need to do?
Next — someone tell Lou and Gerald Perry that Theriot does not have to try to knock the ball out ot the park. When it ain’t broken, don’t go trying to fix it. The guy was hitting well over .300 this year after hitting over .300 last year and all of a sudden the manager and his hitting coach want him to become something he’s not.
Next — bring up Tony Thomas from Tennessee and give him a shot at 2B. None of the four guys the Cubs have put out there have proven that they are the answer. The kid can hit; give him a shot.
Freel — a body for Gathright. If Freel can’t be in the lineup now when we are getting absolutely zero production out of Fontenot and Miles, why on God’s green earth is this guy on the team. Find another body who Lou will at least put in the lineup.
Get rid of Patton, Heilman, and Cotts.
As for Patton — I thought the Cubs were contenders for the division title if not the favorites. The Cubs cannot afford to carry a pitcher who is doing absolutely nothing right now. Replace him with a bat.
Heilman — I’ve said enough about him. One last time — what you see is exactly what the Mets saw in ‘08 and exactly why the Mets got rid of him.
Cotts — He has been nothing short of useless since he came here from the South side.
What is he supposed to do? I would expect that most of us think of him as a situational lefty and mop-up. Well after hearing on the tube the other week that Lou was reluctant to use him against Prince Fielder because of Fielder’s stats against Cotts, I asked myelf